Re: [OSM-talk] recommendation for JSON to CSV converter

2024-02-28 Thread Colin Smale
> On 28/02/2024 17:30 CET Martin Trautmann via talk > wrote: > > > On 28.02.24 16:43, Mike Thompson wrote: > > Hi Martin, > > > > Could you provide some more detail on what specifically you are > > attempting to achieve? Converting a geojson file of points to CSV is > > pretty easy, but once

Re: [OSM-talk] razed railways and other things that don't exist today

2022-10-25 Thread Colin Smale
> On 25/10/2022 19:18 CEST Brian M. Sperlongano wrote: > > > > On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 4:37 AM Frederik Ramm mailto:frede...@remote.org> wrote: > > > in the spirit of friendly collaboration I would say that a limited amount of > > stuff-that-should-not-be-in-OSM can be *tolerated*. If s

Re: [OSM-talk] Doocracy | Re: Idea for improving mapping system

2020-10-18 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-10-18 15:04, Simon Poole wrote: > Am 18.10.2020 um 11:07 schrieb Rory McCann: > >> Like mnany things in OSM, the reason it hasn't been done is because no-one >> has actually done it yet. It looks like other people find your idea of >> "levels" and "badges" interesting, so you should tr

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Funding of three infrastructure projects : Nominatim, osm2pgsql, Potlatch 2

2020-08-06 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-08-06 11:47, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Am Do., 6. Aug. 2020 um 11:26 Uhr schrieb Lukasz Kruk > : > >> I'm not sure what rules govern this: "Londn" does find the capital of the >> UK, but "Warszaw" does not find the capital of Poland...?), which is only a >> little inconvenient when

Re: [OSM-talk] Funding of three infrastructure projects : Nominatim, osm2pgsql, Potlatch 2

2020-08-02 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-08-02 16:41, Sören Reinecke via talk wrote: > Also Linux is the future. Every application that cannot run under Linux will > fail in the long run. Remember that Windows shouldn't be the main target > platform anymore because it is dying and the society is to blame that they > don't get

Re: [OSM-talk] Could/should editors detect/disallow huge changeset bboxes?

2020-06-12 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-06-12 13:00, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > I wonder if it would be feasible or desirable for editors to warn users > if they are at risk of creating country/world-spanning changesets. > Something like "you have unsaved edits more than 500km away from where > you are editing at the moment

Re: [OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-05-25 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-05-25 18:52, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > Even if "Nothing is "approved"" is true it does not mean that nothing is > forbidden. > Can you name one tag that is "forbidden"? Does that mean a standing > instruction to all mappers to remove it whenever it is found, or a license to > do a see

Re: [OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-05-25 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-05-25 17:08, Mateusz Konieczny via talk wrote: > May 25, 2020, 16:48 by colin.sm...@xs4all.nl: > > On 2020-05-25 16:20, Jack Armstrong wrote: > > Why are railways given a special status? > > Nobody gives anything a status in OSM. Nothing is "approved" so nothing is > "forbidden" eit

Re: [OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-05-25 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-05-25 16:20, Jack Armstrong wrote: > Why are railways given a special status? Nobody gives anything a status in OSM. Nothing is "approved" so nothing is "forbidden" either. It is either used, or it is not used. It is not even "forbidden" to use tags that someone has declared "deprecated".

Re: [OSM-talk] Examples at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access

2020-05-25 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-05-25 10:27, Florian Lohoff wrote: > A small and very vocal part of the German community proposes to tag > EVERY driveway - no matter if it has a gate or sign with access=private. > Somebody slipped stuff into the German access=private page which i > removed a while back as it had no conse

Re: [OSM-talk] Examples at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access

2020-05-24 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-05-25 00:16, Florian Lohoff wrote: > On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 11:54:02PM +0200, Colin Smale wrote: On 2020-05-24 > 23:16, Mateusz Konieczny via talk wrote: > > Can you give an example of such untaggable restriction? > In the UK there are many small roads signed as "

Re: [OSM-talk] Examples at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access

2020-05-24 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-05-24 23:16, Mateusz Konieczny via talk wrote: > Can you give an example of such untaggable restriction? In the UK there are many small roads signed as "Unsuitable for HGVs." Legally you are allowed to drive your 44T truck down there, but you will almost certainly get stuck. How do we tel

Re: [OSM-talk] Examples at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access

2020-05-24 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-05-24 20:47, Florian Lohoff wrote: > - The "Ground truth" we tag restrictions only when visibly assigned and > verifyable. It is sufficient to say "verifiable". It does not always need to be evidenced by a visible sign - as long as another independent mapper could (easily) verify its trut

Re: [OSM-talk] Quality and the Openstreetmap value chain

2020-05-12 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-05-12 15:28, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: > On 5/12/20 2:52 PM, Colin Smale wrote: > >> As you and many others frequently remind us: OSM is first and foremost about >> the data and not any specific use-case or rendering thereof. > Yes - but a data model is not a neut

Re: [OSM-talk] Quality and the Openstreetmap value chain

2020-05-12 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-05-12 14:06, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Colin, > > you're lumping in a few different things together I think. > > The scarce resource in this project are still mappers, not consumers. > The mappers certainly want to make a good and usable map; but if you are > faced with a choice of either m

Re: [OSM-talk] Quality and the Openstreetmap value chain

2020-05-12 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-05-12 12:34, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: > On 5/12/20 11:42 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > >> I love the fact that we are now 50 messages into discussing, for the second >> time, a change that would be made ostensibly for the benefit of data >> consumers, and yet no one has asked any actual

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed new status for tags in the wiki: "import" for undiscussed tags that were only used by an import

2020-03-17 Thread Colin Smale
"unmaintained"? On 17 March 2020 10:52:39 CET, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: >On 17/3/20 8:22 pm, Marc M. wrote: >> Hello Joseph, >> >> it may give the impression that this is the way it should be done. >> I agree to identify these "Noise" or poor quality tags, but with a >> keyword to sho

Re: [OSM-talk] OTG rule, borders & mountains existing | Re: Crimea situation - on the ground

2020-02-14 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-02-14 10:18, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Am Do., 13. Feb. 2020 um 08:41 Uhr schrieb Colin Smale > : > Locations are stored in OSM as pairs of {lat,lon} and I assume these are both > 64-bit floats in the database. > > AFAIK they are stored as integers (shifting the

Re: [OSM-talk] OTG rule, borders & mountains existing | Re: Crimea situation - on the ground

2020-02-12 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-02-13 00:15, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > sent from a phone > >> Il giorno 13 feb 2020, alle ore 00:05, Colin Smale >> ha scritto: >> >> Locations are stored in OSM as pairs of {lat,lon} and I assume these are >> both 64-bit floats in the dat

Re: [OSM-talk] OTG rule, borders & mountains existing | Re: Crimea situation - on the ground

2020-02-12 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-02-12 23:34, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > sent from a phone > > Il giorno 12 feb 2020, alle ore 14:06, Colin Smale ha > scritto: > > Exactly this. A hobbyist or volunteer CAN verify an admin boundary (where it > is available as open data) - it is independen

Re: [OSM-talk] OTG rule, borders & mountains existing | Re: Crimea situation - on the ground

2020-02-12 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-02-12 10:42, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > On 2020-02-12 10:28, Colin Smale wrote: > >> Where a boundary coincides with the centre line of >> a road for example, and there is a discrepancy in OSM between the >> locations of the two, there sh

Re: [OSM-talk] OTG rule, borders & mountains existing | Re: Crimea situation - on the ground

2020-02-12 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-02-12 09:28, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > I believe it is a misconception to think it must be "visible" on the ground, > rather it must be determinable on the ground / "in loco". There might well be > nothing to "see", but you could still check on the ground, by talking to the > local p

Re: [OSM-talk] OTG rule, borders & mountains existing | Re: Crimea situation - on the ground

2020-02-09 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-02-09 04:26, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: >> Re: "on a government map, by legal / statutory decree, from data >> authoritatively published on a website" > > These examples are not "good practice" sources for openstreetmap. > While many mappers import data from such sources, there is no "value

Re: [OSM-talk] OTG rule, borders & mountains existing | Re: Crimea situation - on the ground

2020-02-08 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-02-08 18:03, stevea wrote: > See, "the on the ground rule," to the best of my ability to determine it (an > exception is your opinion as you explicitly express here, and that's part of > the problem with it), isn't clearly defined and it needs the elasticity of > such ad hoc exceptions.

Re: [OSM-talk] Crimea situation - on the ground

2020-02-08 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-02-08 11:48, Rory McCann wrote: > It is true that government A might have one opinion, and government B might > have another, and Provisional Autonomous Republic of C might have another > opinion. > > But there can be another way. We go there, and we see what nearly everyone > there ca

Re: [OSM-talk] Crimea situation - on the ground

2020-02-07 Thread Colin Smale
Many things we think of as "facts" are in fact somewhat subjective. Things have a name or some attribute "according to" some authority. London "is not" London, it is "called" London according to local people, government etc. But the same place is "called" Londres, according to a different authority

Re: [OSM-talk] Old maps from Royal Collection UK

2020-02-06 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-02-06 21:10, Andy Mabbett wrote: > The UK's Royal Collection [1 [1]] have placed online [2 [2]] George III's > collection of military maps which, they say: > > comprises some 3,000 maps, views and prints > ranging from the disposition of Charles V's armies > at Vienna in 1532 to the Battl

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #497 2020-01-21-2020-01-27

2020-02-04 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-02-04 13:36, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > On 04.02.20 13:22, Colin Smale wrote: > >> Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't remember ever seeing >> regional full history files. > > The Geofabrik download server has full history files for every

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #497 2020-01-21-2020-01-27

2020-02-04 Thread Colin Smale
I wonder how many users actually need a planet-wide planet file. Surely there are loads of cases where a regional extract would suffice for the use case in hand. How about encouraging people to consider using a regional download? Something else, only slightly off-topic: I have often had ideas in

Re: [OSM-talk] Metropolitan France : what todo with all "supossed to be wrong" name:xx ?

2019-11-19 Thread Colin Smale via talk
On 2019-11-19 16:40, Jóhannes Birgir Jensson wrote: > Not all languages make, or care about making, a distinction of France > (including non-Europe) and France (only Europe). This is not a question of language. They are different concepts, and irrespective of the language you are speaking, it mu

Re: [OSM-talk] Ordnance Survey OpenData

2019-07-23 Thread Colin Smale
On 2019-07-23 16:05, Alessandro Sarretta wrote: > Just be careful that it seems that the OS OpenData license is not compatible > with OSM, see > https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Licence_Compatibility#Open_Government_Licence_.28OGL.29_based_licences What about https://wiki.openstreetm

Re: [OSM-talk] handling street names in speech

2019-07-17 Thread Colin Smale
On 2019-07-17 10:44, Rory McCann wrote: > I don't think this counts as "tagging for the renderer", which is more about > adding false data to "make the map look like what you want" (e.g. "I want a > blue line here, like the `route=ferry` line, so I'll use that"). > > I think it could be very he

Re: [OSM-talk] handling street names in speech

2019-07-16 Thread Colin Smale
otherwise those exceptions would not be noted in the wiki. Are you recommending that the exceptions be removed from the wiki? > Polyglot > > On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 7:40 PM Colin Smale wrote: > > On 2019-07-16 19:07, Nuno Caldeira wrote: > also on the the standard mapping

Re: [OSM-talk] handling street names in speech

2019-07-16 Thread Colin Smale
On 2019-07-16 19:07, Nuno Caldeira wrote: > also on the the standard mapping convetions, its mentioned in bold : > > DON'T USE ABBREVIATIONS > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Editing_Standards_and_Conventions But exceptions are made in some cases, including where the signage uses the abb

Re: [OSM-talk] handling street names in speech

2019-07-16 Thread Colin Smale
quot; or > should it be "Rue Sparks" in Quebec it would be one way but in Ontario the > other. > > Thoughts > > Thanks John > > Colin Smale wrote on 2019-07-16 11:30 AM: > > On 2019-07-16 16:54, John Whelan wrote: One or two are problematic usually

Re: [OSM-talk] handling street names in speech

2019-07-16 Thread Colin Smale
On 2019-07-16 16:54, John Whelan wrote: > One or two are problematic usually as the street name is an abbreviation. > For example 1e Avenue in French meaning First Avenue. > > Any suggestions on how these should be handled? This particular application > is aimed at partially sighted people

Re: [OSM-talk] Ground truth for non-physical objects

2018-12-18 Thread Colin Smale
the new districts.) http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1995/493/made On 2018-12-18 00:42, Colin Smale wrote: > On 2018-12-17 23:16, Steve Doerr wrote: > On 17/12/2018 09:41, Colin Smale wrote: One other thing: in the UK the > boundaries of the area and the local authority running

Re: [OSM-talk] Ground truth for non-physical objects

2018-12-17 Thread Colin Smale
On 2018-12-17 23:16, Steve Doerr wrote: > On 17/12/2018 09:41, Colin Smale wrote: > >> One other thing: in the UK the boundaries of the area and the local >> authority running that area are two different things. A local authority can >> run a combination of adjacent

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence for Sentinel Satellite images

2018-12-17 Thread Colin Smale
On 2018-12-17 19:40, Sérgio V. wrote: > (BTW, sorry for typo in title, "License") I see no typo in the title... Licence is the correct English spelling :-)___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Ground truth for non-physical objects

2018-12-17 Thread Colin Smale
On 2018-12-17 14:14, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > sent from a phone > >> On 17. Dec 2018, at 13:31, Tomas Straupis wrote: >> >> Especially interesting and useful would be stories of how maritime >> boundaries or boundaries with no considerable obstructions built have >> been actually mapped by

Re: [OSM-talk] Ground truth for non-physical objects

2018-12-17 Thread Colin Smale
On 2018-12-17 09:57, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Am Sa., 15. Dez. 2018 um 16:09 Uhr schrieb Colin Smale > : > >> "without access to the same sources" ... what if there is only one source of >> truth? With these non-observable items like admin boundaries that

Re: [OSM-talk] Ground truth for non-physical objects

2018-12-15 Thread Colin Smale
o have parallel fora, especially when discussing something as fundamental as this. Either we do it here on the ML, or on your blog post, or on the OSM wiki; but please, not in three places at once. On 2018-12-15 15:24, Christoph Hormann wrote: > On Saturday 15 December 2018, Colin Smale wrote: &

Re: [OSM-talk] Ground truth for non-physical objects

2018-12-15 Thread Colin Smale
December 2018 14:53:31 CET, Christoph Hormann wrote: >On Saturday 15 December 2018, Colin Smale wrote: >> > The whole point of the "verifiability" and "ground truth" >> > principles is so as _not_ to have to rely on documents. >> >> First time

Re: [OSM-talk] Ground truth for non-physical objects

2018-12-15 Thread Colin Smale
On 2018-12-15 12:54, Andy Townsend wrote: > The whole point of the "verifiability" and "ground truth" principles is so as > _not_ to have to rely on documents. First time I have heard that as a (documented) rationale behind "ground truth". Surely the stronger requirement is public verifiabilit

Re: [OSM-talk] Board decision on Crimea complaint

2018-12-11 Thread Colin Smale
On 2018-12-11 13:53, Simon Poole wrote: > As Frederik pointed out a bit back, this is just kicking the can down > the road. > > We will still have to make choices Why? It would be better if OSM did not make choices, but represented differing points of view equally, without expressing any kind of

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: DWG policy on Crimea

2018-10-22 Thread Colin Smale
On 2018-10-22 16:34, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > I strongly disagree, we map reality. There is no one true reality, only perceptions. Which reality takes precedence in your mind, may not be the same for everyone. Reality is subjective. What is the test to apply to decide whether a point is inclu

Re: [OSM-talk] Odp: Re: highway=* + area=yes vs area:highway=*

2018-08-10 Thread Colin Smale
On 2018-08-10 14:01, marekskleciak wrote: > We have also mechanism for area routing but, that's true graphs are easier.. Do you have any links/references for area routing? What "mechanism" are you thinking of here?___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetma

Re: [OSM-talk] the new icon for the Tag:amenity=bureau_de_change

2018-07-25 Thread Colin Smale
On 2018-07-25 17:13, Daniel Koć wrote: > W dniu 25.07.2018 o 16:39, Colin Smale pisze: > >> The Red Crystal symbol is protected by the ICRC. We can't use it, nor can we >> use the Red Cross or Red Crescent. There have been numerous legal cases >> which came down t

Re: [OSM-talk] the new icon for the Tag:amenity=bureau_de_change

2018-07-25 Thread Colin Smale
On 2018-07-25 17:13, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > I guess it would be perceived as shooting themselves in the foot if the > international red cross would file a lawsuit against osmf for using a red > cross as icon for hospitals. It has happened before. The ICRC are totally fanatical about the p

Re: [OSM-talk] the new icon for the Tag:amenity=bureau_de_change

2018-07-25 Thread Colin Smale
On 2018-07-25 16:05, Daniel Koć wrote: > We have the same problem with hospital symbol. There's even an official > generic symbol that we could use, called "red crystal" (see > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Red_Cross_and_Red_Crescent_Movement#The_Red_Crystal > ) and I like it very mu

Re: [OSM-talk] "The Future of Free and Open-Source Maps" Slashdot.org , Saturday February 17, 2018

2018-02-17 Thread Colin Smale
On 2018-02-17 22:02, Jakob Mühldorfer wrote: > Thanks for pointing it out to us! > > I too have some thoughts on points in the article. > One I agree with, one not > > Let me start with this one: > "No Support For Observational, or Other Datasets" > This is the point I agree with. > OSM is missi

Re: [OSM-talk] "The Future of Free and Open-Source Maps" Slashdot.org , Saturday February 17, 2018

2018-02-17 Thread Colin Smale
Java and Javascript have only those four letters in common. They are completely unconnected in all other respects. On 2018-02-17 19:54, john whelan wrote: > JAVA script is used by web sites. It does not require JAVA to be installed. > > JAVA itself may or may not be a security risk the issue is

Re: [OSM-talk] Roundabouts - why is a separate segment required?

2018-02-15 Thread Colin Smale
Just to throw another concept into the mix... so-called flare roads, where a road joining a roundabout (or other junction for that matter) splits into two short one-way segments which go either side of an obstacle. Mkgmap tries to recognise them by seeing if they come together within X metres. Why

Re: [OSM-talk] Roundabouts - why is a separate segment required?

2018-02-14 Thread Colin Smale
Based on my experiences with mkgmap it's not so much a routing problem as a navigation problem. The router will pick the correct path through the graph but the translation to "human instructions" get confused, like the exit numbers and the way the roundabouts display. Turning right at a roundabout,

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM tagging validation lib

2017-12-26 Thread Colin Smale
Why bother anyway? Why not just leave it to FvGordon? 90k changesets fixing other people's tagging errors... http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/FvGordon/history Actually, an analysis of all these changesets might produce some interesting insights into "frequently made errors". //colin On 2017

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM tagging validation lib

2017-12-24 Thread Colin Smale
like taginfo > > Integrating scripting environment may be difficult, but offers far greater > benefits of rule consistency and flexibility. > > On Sun, Dec 24, 2017 at 7:30 AM, Colin Smale wrote: > > The technical differences between java and JS do not preclude generic &

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM tagging validation lib

2017-12-24 Thread Colin Smale
The technical differences between java and JS do not preclude generic thinking. Consider tzdata[1] for example, which does something analogous for time zone data. The "rules database" can be made portable, in the form of XML or JSON for example. The logic for using these rules can be described in

Re: [OSM-talk] Questions about levels and fractional levels as well as how to handle them.

2017-12-21 Thread Colin Smale
Hallo John, A level is not a unit of measurement like a metre or a kilogram. If level 1.5 exists, it only tells you that it is between level 1 and level 2. If a landing on a staircase between level 1 and level 2 is to be assigned a level, it wouldn't make any difference if you called it 1.1 or 1.

Re: [OSM-talk] Mailing list security

2017-11-25 Thread Colin Smale
On 2017-11-25 17:59, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > On 11/25/2017 11:12 AM, Colin Smale wrote: > >> I just got an email from the mailing list system that my >> account/membership had been disabled due to "excessive bounces". I have >> no idea why, but t

Re: [OSM-talk] Mailing list security

2017-11-25 Thread Colin Smale
On 2017-11-25 17:31, Tom Hughes wrote: > On 25/11/17 15:37, Colin Smale wrote: > > On 25 November 2017 16:04:45 CET, "Éric Gillet" > wrote: Another point : This password is not secure, but what the worst that > could > happen with it ? As long as one don't reu

Re: [OSM-talk] Mailing list security

2017-11-25 Thread Colin Smale
On 25 November 2017 16:04:45 CET, "Éric Gillet" wrote: > Another point : This password is not secure, but what the worst that >could >happen with it ? As long as one don't reuse it on other applications >(as >warned during registration), the only action an attacker could do would >be >to unsubs

Re: [OSM-talk] Mailing list security

2017-11-25 Thread Colin Smale
On 2017-11-25 11:53, Éric Gillet wrote: > This is non-ideal, but you were warned during your account creation that this > password is to be considered non-secure : > >> You may enter a privacy password below. This provides only mild security, >> but should prevent others from messing with you

[OSM-talk] Mailing list security

2017-11-25 Thread Colin Smale
I just got an email from the mailing list system that my account/membership had been disabled due to "excessive bounces". I have no idea why, but that is not the point I want to make here. My point is that the email I received contained my password to that account, in plain text! WTF#1: Why is it

Re: [OSM-talk] Highway=trunk : harmonization between countries ?

2017-08-22 Thread Colin Smale
e the full picture. I would like to take a closer look at your example route... Can you give start and end locations? --colin On 2017-08-22 13:13, Lester Caine wrote: > On 22/08/17 11:41, Colin Smale wrote: > >> I agree, classification should be largely irrelevant to routing. &g

Re: [OSM-talk] Highway=trunk : harmonization between countries ?

2017-08-22 Thread Colin Smale
I agree, classification should be largely irrelevant to routing. Routing needs timings from node to node, which are best derived from bendiness, number of lanes, junctions etc and then capped to the legal maximum. A four-lane secondary, primary, trunk or motorway will all have the same effective s

Re: [OSM-talk] Highway=trunk : harmonization between countries ?

2017-08-19 Thread Colin Smale
> as a trunk road , it is not currently the case in France : > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/42344655#map=15/46.4275/0.6306 > > djakk > > Le ven. 18 août 2017 à 22:43, Colin Smale a écrit : > > In the UK it is a specific road class, with its own style of signage. So it > is ea

Re: [OSM-talk] Highway=trunk : harmonization between countries ?

2017-08-18 Thread Colin Smale
In the UK it is a specific road class, with its own style of signage. So it is easily verifiable whether a road is a Trunk Road or not. Some Trunk Roads are motorway-like, but others are standard two-way roads. So actually it is not so much linked to the construction of the road, but to the fact th

Re: [OSM-talk] Tool for users to add wikidata tags

2017-06-11 Thread Colin Smale
ith > 1cm accuracy, there will always be "accuracy problems" > > On Jun 11, 2017 1:15 PM, "Colin Smale" wrote: > > On 2017-06-11 18:18, Eric Gillet wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 10:58 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > I am concerned that reckless user

Re: [OSM-talk] Tool for users to add wikidata tags

2017-06-11 Thread Colin Smale
On 2017-06-11 18:18, Eric Gillet wrote: > On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 10:58 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > >> I am concerned that reckless users will use your tool to basically go >> over the planet in a "task manager" fashion, running the matching for >> square after square, selecting all matches and hi

Re: [OSM-talk] Key:Destination Abbreviations

2016-12-18 Thread Colin Smale
I believe the phrase is "tagging wrongly for the renderer" - we constantly consider the users/consumers of the data when tagging, but it is clearly frowned upon to "lie" in the tagging to get something to show up in a particular way or otherwise to achieve a particular effect. Whether tagging is "c

Re: [OSM-talk] Lot's of locality names in an otherwise empty area

2016-11-20 Thread Colin Smale
Have you tried contacting the mappers who created and last edited these nodes? It looks like they were imported from some official source in 2011 and tidied up in 2014. --colin On 2016-11-20 18:41, Sebastian Arcus wrote: > I'm looking at the following section of OSM: > > http://www.openstreetm

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM New Logo Proposal

2016-10-15 Thread Colin Smale
Normal practise is for the "marketing department" to have the logo available in a selection of forms, for different purposes. Think of different formats (square, 16:9, full-width banner etc), different resolutions, different colour depths, perhaps a monochrome version etc. In order to protect the "

Re: [OSM-talk] Multilingual feedback wanted for OpenStreetMap Carto

2016-09-19 Thread Colin Smale
Maybe these two-part names should be entered into the database using a non-breaking hyphen (U+2011)? //colin On 2016-09-19 09:52, Oleksiy Muzalyev wrote: > On 18/09/16 04:32, Paul Norman wrote: > >> I'm looking for feedback from people who read non-latin languages on a >> proposed OpenStreet

Re: [OSM-talk] Working with lat and long simply

2016-09-10 Thread Colin Smale
On 2016-09-10 18:55, Oleksiy Muzalyev wrote: > Latitude and longitude are physical values, they will never change for a > house on Earth, no matter what. They do not depend on politics, economics, > linguistics of the current moment. You sure about that? Plate tectonics means that everything is

Re: [OSM-talk] Without an address, an Icelandic tourist drew this map of the intended location (Búðardalur) and surroundings on the envelope. The postal service delivered!

2016-08-30 Thread Colin Smale
On 2016-08-30 20:25, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 1:19 PM, Colin Smale wrote: > >> We have - that's why I am whispering. But w3w is not intended for the US. >> It's for places which don't have addresses already, which apparently is a >>

Re: [OSM-talk] Without an address, an Icelandic tourist drew this map of the intended location (Búðardalur) and surroundings on the envelope. The postal service delivered!

2016-08-30 Thread Colin Smale
On 2016-08-30 20:10, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Colin Smale wrote: > >> w3w solves the problem of you not having a (compact) answer to "what´s your >> address?" if you want to have something delivered. The fact that you only >> h

Re: [OSM-talk] Without an address, an Icelandic tourist drew this map of the intended location (Búðardalur) and surroundings on the envelope. The postal service delivered!

2016-08-30 Thread Colin Smale
hoff wrote: > On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 07:24:02PM +0200, Colin Smale wrote: > >> I am going to say this very quietly what3words > > I dont think what3words solves the issue of structured Addressing. > > Addresses are typically strict hierarchical and offer some seri

Re: [OSM-talk] Without an address, an Icelandic tourist drew this map of the intended location (Búðardalur) and surroundings on the envelope. The postal service delivered!

2016-08-30 Thread Colin Smale
I am going to say this very quietly what3words On 2016-08-30 19:12, Florian Lohoff wrote: > Hola, > > On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 05:03:39PM +0200, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: Warning: > flame thread about to start. > > El tirsdag 30. august 2016 16.50.14 CEST Oleksiy Muzalyev escribió: It is

Re: [OSM-talk] What3words

2016-07-13 Thread Colin Smale
On 2016-07-13 12:24, Dave F wrote: > On 13/07/2016 11:10, Frederik Ramm wrote: > >> W3W is a coordinate system... > > I fail to see how it can even be described as that as there is no > coordination. The address of one block has no relation to adjacent ones. Agreed - it's not a coordinate sys

Re: [OSM-talk] What3words

2016-07-13 Thread Colin Smale
On 2016-07-13 10:23, Lester Caine wrote: > W3W and OLC both have the same problem. They are trying to fix something > which is not really broken. I disagree with this... They are not trying to replace / fix up lat/lon, they are providing a lingua franca for people to use when communicating. It's

Re: [OSM-talk] NASA sites

2016-06-27 Thread Colin Smale
Is "NASA" really part of the actual name, or are you suggesting "tagging for the renderer" because you expect to see "NASA" on the map? NASA is certainly the operator, and that tag links the site to NASA. //colin On 2016-06-27 14:38, Fabrizio Carrai wrote: > Correct, without NASA in the name we

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Old Aerodromes

2016-04-12 Thread Colin Smale
On 2016-04-12 16:29, Martijn van Exel wrote: > I am not so concerned with rendering - that's not what we map for. I think it would sound better if you said that rendering is one of the many things we map for. OSM is not WOM (write-only memory). //colin ___

[OSM-talk] Please check the work of 00crashtest

2016-03-15 Thread Colin Smale
Hi, I would like to put out a worldwide alert for the work of 00crashtest who has been tweaking things since January - 233 changesets and counting... http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/00crashtest/history#map=4/45.53/-38.57 The problems I have seen include arbitrarily modifying admin boundarie

Re: [OSM-talk] Guides to improve navigation data in OpenStreetMap

2016-03-12 Thread Colin Smale
In the Netherlands just about everything that can apply to motor vehicles can also be found somewhere applying to bicycles. That includes turn lanes... --colin On 12 March 2016 14:12:25 CET, Arun Ganesh wrote: >> >> this means that all turn:lanes, change:lanes, access:lanes, >> forward:lanes, ba

Re: [OSM-talk] Missing Background Layers

2016-01-08 Thread Colin Smale
I am seeing this as well... The list is only about half as long as it was earlier today... On 2016-01-08 23:13, Steve Doerr wrote: > When editing in Potlatch 2, the list of background layers seems rather short. > In particular, Mapnik (the default style) is not on the list. > > Bug? Or change o

Re: [OSM-talk] Belgium/Netherlands Boundary Change

2016-01-05 Thread Colin Smale
Hi Steve, It's all under control with the local NL/BE communities. The decision still needs to be ratified by the various parliaments before it takes effect; that is expected to happen sometime this year. --colin On 2016-01-05 12:54, Steve Doerr wrote: > Just read this article about a territo

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: OpenStreetMap Wiki page Map Features has been changed by David1234

2015-12-26 Thread Colin Smale
-26 um 11:41 schrieb Colin Smale: > >> Anyone know what is going on here? A newly registered user has removed >> all the content from an important wiki page (Map Features) and replaced >> it with a test message... > > I reverted his changes at Map_Features and will h

[OSM-talk] Fwd: OpenStreetMap Wiki page Map Features has been changed by David1234

2015-12-26 Thread Colin Smale
Anyone know what is going on here? A newly registered user has removed all the content from an important wiki page (Map Features) and replaced it with a test message... //colin Original Message SUBJECT: OpenStreetMap Wiki page Map Features has

Re: [OSM-talk] Nominatim weakness

2015-12-14 Thread Colin Smale
Could there also be sorting options for the result set? For example by distance (nearest first), importance (the current algorithm?), ... And how about filters to show what you are looking for: returning places, POIs, roads, ... //colin On 2015-12-14 13:43, Jorge Gustavo Rocha wrote: > Hi, >

Re: [OSM-talk] Nominatim weakness

2015-12-14 Thread Colin Smale
It would be nice to have some shades of grey in there, like a choice of radius, e.g. within 1km, 10km, 100km, 1000km On 2015-12-14 13:43, Jorge Gustavo Rocha wrote: > Hi, > > I think that we can add an option to bound the results to the current > viewport. That option would be passed to nominat

Re: [OSM-talk] Graphic vector maps - Illustrator

2015-12-07 Thread Colin Smale
And you get prompted to allow cookies on the page containing the cookie policy, which is daft. The cookie policy page is Shopify's, and does not cover GA. You have to add GA to your web page yourself with Shopify, if I recall correctly. On 2015-12-07 16:26, Simon Poole wrote: > Your website requi

Re: [OSM-talk] What3words

2015-11-30 Thread Colin Smale
words. http://www.citymetric.com/horizons/buildings-dubai-and-abu-dhabi-didnt-have-official-addresses-thats-finally-changing-838 On 2015-11-30 14:41, stegg...@steggink.org wrote: > Citeren Colin Smale : > >> Correct, but the accuracy issue is a weakness in lat/lon based >> coor

Re: [OSM-talk] What3words

2015-11-30 Thread Colin Smale
shopping delivered... In my example the party that needs to do the translation from w3w to lat/lon would be Amazon, and they will probably be paying w3w for a licence to do that. On 2015-11-30 13:30, Lester Caine wrote: > On 30/11/15 11:59, Colin Smale wrote: > >> I think their big a

Re: [OSM-talk] What3words

2015-11-30 Thread Colin Smale
ote: > On 22/11/15 14:32, Colin Smale wrote: > >> By the way, just to be absolutely clear, I am not thinking of w3w as a >> coordinate system in OSM, but as an addressing attribute similar to >> postcodes. > > On one hand, one plugs in the three word location t

Re: [OSM-talk] What3words

2015-11-24 Thread Colin Smale
They stopped selling OneWords. https://twitter.com/what3words/status/594070034625986561 On 2015-11-24 11:03, Tom Hughes wrote: > On 24/11/15 08:00, Paul Johnson wrote: > >> Even if we completely ignore the licensing issues, there is a profit >> motive behind w3w. They gotta sell somethin

Re: [OSM-talk] What3words

2015-11-23 Thread Colin Smale
I think their idea is that you can quote a location with the words which for humans is much easier to memorize and less prone to mishearing over dodgy phone and radio links than lat/lon or some other scientific grid reference. On 24 November 2015 08:45:18 CET, Paul Johnson wrote: >On Sun, Nov 2

Re: [OSM-talk] What3words

2015-11-23 Thread Colin Smale
True, they admit the 3D aspect cannot be handled at the moment. They tend to emphasise the opposite: one building with a single address, but multiple entrances; they can each have an individual w3w. On 2015-11-23 10:43, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2015-11-22 15:32 GMT+01:00 Colin Sm

Re: [OSM-talk] What3words

2015-11-22 Thread Colin Smale
On 2015-11-22 15:47, Dave F. wrote: > On 22/11/2015 14:32, Colin Smale wrote: > >> I just said "w3w exists, what could/should we do?" > > The consensus appears to be "Nothing" Agreed. --colin ___ talk mai

Re: [OSM-talk] What3words

2015-11-22 Thread Colin Smale
t diluted, and now a > lot of this information is publicly available. Only time will tell > if w3w takes off commercially. Right now they have had $5m of > funding and have an impressive list of partners. > > --colin > > On 2015-11-22 14:01, ajt1...@gmail.com wrote: > > On 22/

Re: [OSM-talk] What3words

2015-11-22 Thread Colin Smale
@gmail.com wrote: > On 22/11/2015 12:51, Colin Smale wrote: > >> ...and once again, as seems to be the norm in OSM, any minority interest >> which is not supported by the oligarchy gets mercilessly shot down. > > ... except it's not _just_ the "oligarchy",

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