Re: [OSM-talk] Google Data Liberation Front - beyond amazing

At the end of the day I'm still not sure what bulk downloading means apart from tagging every single road in a country and offering a kml file for it. As best as I can gather Ed seem to think anything less seems to be ok, or am I reading his responses wrong? http://www.edparsons.com/2009/09/liber

Re: [OSM-talk] Evolution of a map

2009/9/17 Eugene Alvin Villar : > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Ed Loach wrote: >> >> Is this the sort of thing you want? >> http://labs.geofabrik.de/history/ > > And more generally (with the option to use Mapnik-style rendering): > http://www.geofabrik.de/gallery/history/index.html ITO! post

Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009/9/17 Lennard : > If those relations get flattened into a planet_osm_line geometry, you have 2 > (or more?) for the same stretch of road. One for the shields, another for > the name. Join them up in a query, or split shields and names handling > everywhere and take what you need from the relev

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - last_checked

2009/9/17 Peteris Krisjanis : > It could be done in changesets, but it is something that really > belongs to tag zone. Why does it? It would reduce a lot of duplication by doing it in change sets etc, it would also make it impossible for people to tamper with it also, however bots and anything el

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - last_checked

2009/9/16 Konrad Skeri : > As I wrote in the talk-page: I'm not yet used to the full powers of > changesets. Suppose this is stored in the changesets, how do I get all > restaurants within a given bbox that has not been checked in the last > year? See the other thread on deep history. ___

Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009/9/16 Lennard : > You're most welcome to do that, as in #osm-nl we have talked about > regionalised rendering as well, in the past. I've rolled one small aspect of > this out on our walking routes map, which renders different shields for The > Netherlands and Belgium. I did copy our country bou

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - last_checked

2009/9/16 Konrad Skeri : > Requesting comments on a last_checked tag for specifying when the > information of an object (restaurant, bus route etc.) was last checked > to be correct. > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/last_checked This came up before and this should probably

Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009/9/16 Lennard : > I commented on the ticket. This is a better place to discuss this than on a bug tracker: > This aussie patch is /an/ approach, but not necessarily the best. It makes > relatively expensive calls to postgis to get the Aussie boundary and compare > each route to that. While

[OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

While my patch works, I don't know if this is the best solution to the problem or not: http://trac.openstreetmap.org/attachment/ticket/1666/osm.xml-patch ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] upload from cvs

2009/9/15 Ulf Lamping : > This information is what you find "on the ground". Or from your GPS ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] QR code && http://cm.ly

2009/9/14 Steven Le Roux : > The only fact is google has a log, and a possibly new url to ask webTable to > crawl... The more information any organisation has on you the more they are able to predict what you are going to do before you do it. Information is power as they say, and it's this inbala

Re: [OSM-talk] QR code && http://cm.ly

2009/9/14 Patrick Petschge : > IF (and that is a big if as I'm not sure if it is worth the effort) I > implement that I'm not going to rely on some webservice. And most > certainly not a webservice by google. Call me paranoid if you want, but I > find it an incredibly bad idea to trust google with

Re: [OSM-talk] QR code && http://cm.ly

2009/9/14 Russ Nelson : > Petschge on irc://irc.freenode.net/#osm was asking how to create a QR > code.  He wanted GPL-friendly Ruby code to be able to create QR codes > for shortlinks on the main site (thus GPL-friendly and Ruby needed at > the same time).  Since I had already gotten a QR encoder

Re: [OSM-talk] Google Data Liberation Front - beyond amazing

2009/9/14 Eugene Alvin Villar : > Ed Parsons gave an unofficial reply: > http://www.edparsons.com/2009/09/liberating-your-my-maps-data/ > I posted this comment: "Your blog post was a little vague, does this mean that points that were pin pointed using Google maps/streetview/sat imagery as long as

Re: [OSM-talk] Google Data Liberation Front - beyond amazing

I wonder how many people signed up just to vote on this issue, 720 people for it now, with only 930 people signed up ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Additional parking types for amenity=parking

2009/9/14 Roy Wallace : > Or amenity=garages? IMO if it's an amenity, it should be tagged > amenity. Have a look at current documented values of landuse=* - > they're not amenities (except maybe landuse=cemetery, which I think > should be changed to amenity=cemetery). > Since they're buildings wo

Re: [OSM-talk] How to map quarters?

2009/9/14 Emilie Laffray : > John Smith wrote: >> If it's a well defined area you just draw a administrative=boundary round it >> ? >> > You can't use an administrative boundary when it isn't one. boundary=area? ___

Re: [OSM-talk] How to map quarters?

2009/9/13 Kev js1982 : > On a similar line how would you tag the zones in Nottingham city centre? > These are aimed at navigation (basically if you are heading for > somewhere in the victoria zone follow the red square with queen > victoria in it for a suitable car park) > These zones don't match w

Re: [OSM-talk] MonopolyCityStreets On the Wiki

2009/9/13 Mike N. : > On the other hand, since they live on their street, their primary knowledge > of street names comes from a "local survey", and at most they might use > Google maps for secondary reference.   Your point is important for those > that branch out into their neighborhood, and might

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Additional parking types for amenity=parking

2009/9/13 Liz : > In Australia these places are rarely used for cars. There are plenty of them, > and in any town there will be at least one or two of these areas with "self- > storage sheds". Some people will store cars in them, but you can store > anything non-explosive there. You cannot live the

Re: [OSM-talk] MonopolyCityStreets On the Wiki

2009/9/13 Ian Dees : > While a few pages like that exist currently, it might be helpful to have one > specific to MCS. It would also give an idea how many people are coming to > OSM from MCS. Include in the biggest lettering possible not to copy from Google Maps, with the influx of people wanting

Re: [OSM-talk] MonopolyCityStreets On the Wiki

2009/9/13 Ian Dees : > May I suggest that we create a special landing page or highly visible link It might be an idea to trap the referrer from http headers and redirect to the wiki page setup for this purpose. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.

Re: [OSM-talk] upload from cvs

2009/9/12 Peppo Herney : > Not all of the 133 belong to the SAC. Anyway, I will definitely check and > filter doubles. > Right now i have only the cvs. What would be the best way to convert it to an > osm file? > Sorry, I am not familiar with the best practice there. is the csv available somewhe

Re: [OSM-talk] How to map quarters?

2009/9/12 Emilie Laffray : > village, town, suburb, city are administrative areas. If I remember > correctly, you have quite a few of those suburbs in Australia, which are > actually used for addressing. Google Reverse geocoding is full of those If I'm thinking of the same thing that you are, mos

Re: [OSM-talk] How to map quarters?

2009/9/12 Emilie Laffray : > John Smith wrote: >> From the map features page: >> >> place=locality                An unpopulated, named place. >> >> I'm pretty sure what you guys are discussing involves large numbers of >> people, so please don&

Re: [OSM-talk] How to map quarters?

2009/9/12 Frankie Roberto : > 2009/9/11 Emilie Laffray > >> > Any ideas why we don't have "quarter" tag? >> > >> > >> Well I mentioned it before, but I really believe that for something like >> the French Quarter, it is better to use locality. > > I've always used suburb, but locality might be a g

Re: [OSM-talk] upload from cvs

2009/9/12 Sarah Hoffmann : > I dare say that most of the ele tags in Switzerland are taken from > the hiking posts at the moment, so I'd keep the CH1903 data for > consistency. Maybe we should add a note in the wiki somewhere? Actually that would make the data inconsistent with the rest of OSM th

Re: [OSM-talk] Vote for Google to liberate their aerial imagery - *please help*

2009/9/11 Richard Fairhurst : > * Please "vote up" this suggestion for Google's Data Liberation Front: > >   http://moderator.appspot.com/#8/e=43649 That link didn't work for me, hopefully this one works for others: http://moderator.appspot.com/#11/e=43649&t=agltb2RlcmF0b3JyLwsSCERvcnlVc2VyIiF1N

Re: [OSM-talk] new proposals for k:shop

2009/9/11 Frankie Roberto : > P.S I've tagged Scientology centres with shop=religion  :-) Someone tagged the MS head office in Sydney as a religion too, but it's since been deleted. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/345461052 ___ talk mailing l

Re: [OSM-talk] Economist article on mapping

2009/9/10 Ed Avis : > Surprising that this mentions Google Map Maker but not OSM: > > Maybe you should drop a friendly email to the journalist, Google has a lot more advertising potential so it's not a surprise r

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Clearance

2009/9/10 Aun Yngve Johnsen : > Since there have been no feedback in a while, and the discussion on > the mailing list seem to have died off, I would like to push this > proposal for a vote. It have changed significantly from the initial > proposal, and have three parts for the vote: > > maxheight:

Re: [OSM-talk] how to map this? cycleway or footpath?

2009/9/10 James Livingston : > I do too. However after the last discussion a lot of people seemed to > think it only implied bicycle=yes not bicycle=designated, so I'd add > it explicitly because of the designation marking on the ground. Of > course, I don't think anyone agreed on what designated

Re: [OSM-talk] how to map this? cycleway or footpath?

2009/9/10 James Livingston : > Because of the presence of the bicycle symbol on the ground, I'd say > highway=cycleway;bicycle=designated;foot=yes. If that wasn't there, > I'd say footway=yes;bicycle=yes Isn't that redundent? I assume highway=cycleway to imply bicycle=designated ___

Re: [OSM-talk] How to map cemetery ?

On a side note, do people render different denominations in cemeteries? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Routing over barrier nodes

2009/9/10 : > Currently the problem with routing is, that routing applications can not > check for millions of nodes, but only for thousands of ways without > performace problems. > > That results in the problem, that for example barrier bollards in the middle > of the road can not be considere

Re: [OSM-talk] Google Street View copyright question

2009/9/10 Roy Wallace : > But being able to say "but lawyer X said we could!" in court will not > make you immune to lawsuits. Nonetheless, legal advice from a lawyer > would be great - John, any ideas on how to get this? It doesn't make you immune, but if you follow the legal advice it reduces t

Re: [OSM-talk] Google Street View copyright question

2009/9/10 Anthony : > I'm not sure what help a lawyer is going to be - they're not going to be > able to guarantee you that much of anything is 100% (or 99.9%) safe in 100% > (or 95%, weighted by user-base) of jurisdictions, especially not for free. >  As Richard says in the comments, "In the UK, a

Re: [OSM-talk] Google Street View copyright question

2009/9/10 Roy Wallace : > Richard's contribution was interesting though, and obviously does have > a basis in law (http://www.systemed.net/blog/?p=100). > Just because someone quotes legal cases doesn't mean it's legal advice, I think OSM is to the point that it needs to seek pro-bono legal advice

Re: [OSM-talk] Google Street View copyright question

2009/9/10 Anthony : > If the fact is binary (can turn left/can't turn left), then checking is > equal to copying, right? It seems there is 2 things in play here, 1 deriving information aka copying, 2 and simply a fact that is being stated. It seems to me most copyright questions will tend to err

Re: [OSM-talk] Google Street View copyright question

2009/9/10 Roy Wallace : > On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 11:39 PM, John Smith wrote: >> >> Legal arguments aside, there is very few street signs I've seen on >> google street view that I can read anyway, most of them seem to be >> blurred out, either intentionally,

Re: [OSM-talk] Google Street View copyright question

2009/9/9 Pieren : > If someone starts to "copy" the photos themselves, yes you are right. > But here, we speak about reading a street sign on a picture, not > copying the picture. Legal arguments aside, there is very few street signs I've seen on google street view that I can read anyway, most of

Re: [OSM-talk] source=(survey, yahoo, gps...)

2009/9/9 Anthony : > If the way lines up with the GPS trace, the GPS trace was used as the source > of data.  If it doesn't, it wasn't (or it has been changed). > > Am I missing some reason that's not correct? You're assuming only one type of source was used to generate a way, when multiple sourc

Re: [OSM-talk] source=(survey, yahoo, gps...)

2009/9/9 Anthony : > On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 1:26 PM, John Smith > wrote: >> >> it would be nice to tag things like GPS model, not just that it was >> from a GPS, some models are better than others and so on and so forth. > > In which case you ought to just up

Re: [OSM-talk] source=(survey, yahoo, gps...)

2009/9/9 d f : > Yes I would. In Potlatch if I press G or click the GPS icon it display all > uploaded traces. It's a hypothetical and the GPS traces were not uploaded so you wouldn't be able to download anything. > I don't. But I take the average of all the traces available. i thought this > is

Re: [OSM-talk] source=(survey, yahoo, gps...)

2009/9/9 Mike N. : > There are some odd cases where even GPS averaging is not accurate enough to > 'micro adjust' a way by 1-3 meters.   One of which is where the sensor is > inside a vehicle (not rooftop mounted) on some curves. I observe this by > comparing multiple traces from multiple units

Re: [OSM-talk] source=(survey, yahoo, gps...)

2009/9/9 d f : > > >> ...without the right information being presented to later users. > > Not sure what you men by that. However... > > If there are 10 traces by GPS for a way & I think it's out of alignment from > the average of them, then I would move it. > Irrelevant of what the source tag for

Re: [OSM-talk] source=(survey, yahoo, gps...)

2009/9/9 d f : > John > > Surely if a way needs shifting, it needs shifting, irrelevant of what the > source was? Is you GPS more accurate than mine? If you answer yes to the above how do you know this? If 10 people do a GPS trace of the same way, the way could move 10 times without the right in

Re: [OSM-talk] source=(survey, yahoo, gps...)

2009/9/8 Iván Sánchez Ortega : > And, for example, I may draw a street using Y!, but somebody may modify just > the name of the street during a mapping party. No need to delete the > source=yahoo of the previous changeset. which is why you use source:name=* __

Re: [OSM-talk] source=(survey, yahoo, gps...)

2009/9/8 John Smith : > 2009/9/8 Iván Sánchez Ortega : > >> It would be very nice to have JOSM add a source tag to the changeset if a WMS >> layer has been used during editing, though. Would make my life a lot easier >> and not forget about those source=yahoo tags. > &

Re: [OSM-talk] source=(survey, yahoo, gps...)

2009/9/8 Iván Sánchez Ortega : > It would be very nice to have JOSM add a source tag to the changeset if a WMS > layer has been used during editing, though. Would make my life a lot easier > and not forget about those source=yahoo tags. What if they use GPX files and a WMS layer? ___

Re: [OSM-talk] source=(survey, yahoo, gps...)

2009/9/8 Valent Turkovic : > Hi, > I can see that Potlach support source tag but JOSM doesn't. > > You can see the example here: > http://bayimg.com/image/dadjnaacm.jpg > > > Do you use source tag? Why and how, please explain? I read the wiki page > but I don't see many people use it and I'm wonder

Re: [OSM-talk] creating shapefile of postcodes

2009/9/8 maning sambale : > I wanted to create a similar shapefile like this > (http://old-dev.openstreetmap.org/~random/postcodes/) for my area. > The first step is to extract postcodes in OSM. > The problem there several postcode variations in the database > > addr:postcode > postal_code > is_in:

Re: [OSM-talk] Software Freedom Day

2009/9/6 Robert (Jamie) Munro : > There's even a bookmarklet (OSMify) you can run to add Mapnik, OSMA and > Cycle layers to most 3rd party Google maps sites: > http://blog.johnmckerrell.com/2007/12/31/new-version-of-osmify-bookmarklet/ Has anyone turned this into a user script? This would load i

Re: [OSM-talk] Software Freedom Day

2009/9/5 Tobias Knerr : > Liz wrote: >> SFD is using a well known proprietary map on their web site. >> Is there anything in this which OSM or one of its derivatives can't do >> already? > > How about "offer reliable service with good uptimes"? After the recent > maintenance weekend it was stated t

Re: [OSM-talk] lists and # of subscribers

2009/9/5 Alex S. : > Richard Weait wrote: >> I often find myself wondering how many are subscribed to the various >> osm lists. > [..] >> Is this information that can be easily extracted from mailman[..]? > > No..  Many people (including myself) subscribe to the lists through a > gateway like gmane

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - scuba_diving

2009/9/5 : > Proposal for tagging of scuba-diving relevant things like divespots, > dive-centers or dive-shops. > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/scuba_diving Some people have marked dive spots as place=locality, although I like your proposal better as it gives a lot more

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping application that works on Blackberry - TrackMyJourney

You could always use trekbuddy, the down side is it need to have tiles pre-downloaded into an atlas etc, but the apps to build the map packs can download from multiple sources including OSM. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.opens

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009/9/4 Richard Fairhurst : > That's lovely, but it would be less selfish if you could refrain from > filling up the rest of our mailboxes' with it, given that you've been > responsible for over 10% of postings to talk@ since August 1st. I'm glad you care so much you took the time to keep stats,

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009/9/4 Dave Stubbs : > At the end of the day it's just another editor, you'll need an OSM > account to edit with it. Save the rest till it matters. I usually find it immensely useful to talk out loud about what I'm coding and it usually solves some problem I was stuck on just by talking someone

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009/9/4 Peter Körner : > First would be to build a tool that is able to revert changesets. Who is > able to revert which changeset comes after that. Maybe not just who, but where they can revert a change set as well. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstr

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools - work for copywriters!

2009/9/4 Peter Körner : >> Will you be able to revert a reverted changeset? > > A reversion is just a new changeset, so basicaly: yes, i think. We could > artificialy prevent a circle like this: >  - A reverts Bs changeset 1 -> results in changeset 2 >  - B reverts As changeset 2 -> results in chan

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools - work for copywriters!

2009/9/3 Peter Körner : > I'm talking about building an external tool without any integration into > osm.org, as this is what i'm capable of. This tool can be visited by any > user and any user may do OAuth-Sign-In with this tool. The tool can't > tell if the user is allowed to revert until he has

Re: [OSM-talk] Brainstorming: Simple Revert-Tools

2009/9/3 Peter Körner : >> You might want to investigate setting up some test scripts to import, >> edit and then revert data. But do any testing against a test database >> and not the real thing :-) > > Hmm the tool I'm working on at the moment will work with tha API and > without a local DB, so I

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header

2009/9/3 Mike N. : >   Some web forums allow email-based communications for those who need that. > And for those modern kids, it allows RSS feeds, quickly adding new forum > subject categories as needed, and rapid searching and archived thread > following rather than relying on Google. We're not

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header

2009/9/3 Tom Hughes : > Yes I could change it, but then in six months we'll have a flood of > complaints from the other side of the argument so I really don't see the > point. Just learn to live with both setups. I did long ago. You can't exactly take the high road here, reply to headers get mung

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header

2009/9/3 Tom Hughes : > On 03/09/09 11:53, Christoph Boehme wrote: > >> Sylpheed Claws can reply to list as well and Thunderbird has an add-on >> which adds the command [1]. > > Thunderbird 3 has it built in. Most people don't use email programs any more, most use webmail because it's ubiqutious b

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header

2009/9/3 Matt Williams : > 2009/9/3 John Smith : >> And you sent this to me directly, was the intentional or because the >> email client didn't reply to the list? > > No, it was because GMail defaulted to emailing just you and I forgot > about it until it was too lat

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header

2009/9/3 Matt Williams : > I know that at least KMail has this feature. If there's a list-id in > the header it will offer you a 'Reply to all', 'Reply to author' and > 'Reply to list' option and default to the latter. Given this, it works > fine on all these OSM mailing lists. Most people don't u

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header

2009/9/3 Patrick Petschge : > Right. Any sane mail client does that. Based on the list-header, without Virtually no mail client does this. Right, wrong or indifferent it's how things are and I highly doubt anyone new to mailing lists would have such a client. > an annoying reply-to header which

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Mailing List Reply To Header

2009/9/3 Lester Caine : > People will explain why the current way is 'right' and other lists are > wrong, and to be honest both views ARE equally valid :( When it comes to being inclusionary I think it's a valid argument to not require people to hit reply to all, many people new to mailing lists

Re: [OSM-talk] geolocation for mobile browsers

2009/9/3 bernhard : > Are there other mobile browsers with this javascript API? BlackBerry had a javascript api long before apple ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Trace type

2009/9/2 Liz : > So I drive somewhere, walk a bit to get some details, unload the bike, cycle > some, drive home > and now you think that I am going to split a trace into what I was doing > where? If we had time stamps on traces properly you wouldn't need to, we could tell the mode of transport ba

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag lanes, not ways, was: Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009/8/31 JigPu : > I understand why you feel that using a way+node relation or way+direction > tag may be a hack, but "children" are also a hack. Children not only only a > single problem (that of a way being asked to take on additional metadata > that really belongs to only a portion of the way)

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag lanes, not ways, was: Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009/8/31 Roy Wallace : > +1 - I agree with Tobias and Anthony. John, I know you feel that > solving the "lane" problem will solve the "stop sign" problem (indeed > it might), but the stop sign problem *can be solved independently* (by > indicating the direction or the junction to which it applies

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag lanes, not ways, was: Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009/8/31 Anthony : > On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 1:40 PM, John Smith > wrote: >> >> 2009/8/31 Anthony : >> >> > I guess we will have to agree to disagree, but it'd be nice if you'd >> > answer >> > my questions about how to do all those

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag lanes, not ways, was: Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009/8/31 Anthony : > I guess we will have to agree to disagree, but it'd be nice if you'd answer > my questions about how to do all those things I asked about. I don't see a point in answering any more of your questions to be honest, you seem to be trolling.

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag lanes, not ways, was: Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009/8/31 Anthony : > Right, and at an intersection which has a turning lane, there is a > restriction on a per-lane basis.  You can only turn left from the turning > lane - you can only go straight (or possibly right) from the other lanes. >  So do you propose splitting the way at every turning l

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag lanes, not ways, was: Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009/8/31 Anthony : > What happens when the road goes from four lanes to six?  Should this be > recorded at every intersection which has a turning lane? I really need to stop feedint the trolls. Lanes only get tagged if they differ from the way to need it, the values of the way cascade to the lane

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag lanes, not ways, was: Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009/8/31 Anthony : > And that's part of what's wrong with it.  You still haven't explained how to > handle stop signs on bi-directional, one lane road.  You haven't explained > how to handle lane-changes.  You require ways to be split every time the > number of lanes changes (though I guess any s

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag lanes, not ways, was: Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009/8/31 John Smith : > 2009/8/31 Anthony : >> No, it's a redesign of the whole system.  A system which wasn't made for >> per-lane routing information. > > It wasn't designed with relations either, but they now exist too. > > In any case I've only s

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag lanes, not ways, was: Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009/8/31 Anthony : > No, it's a redesign of the whole system.  A system which wasn't made for > per-lane routing information. It wasn't designed with relations either, but they now exist too. In any case I've only suggested a minor change to add children to ways and how this could be represented

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag lanes, not ways, was: Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009/8/31 Anthony : > What solution is better?  Your lane-based solution doesn't work if there is > only one lane with bi-directional traffic.  The solution of adding a node > and a direction would be second best, but I think it's clunky adding > multiple extra nodes instead of one relation. You r

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag lanes, not ways, was: Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009/8/31 Anthony : > Unless I'm misreading this, anyone going from 4th Avenue onto Rodeo Drive > has to stop, and everyone going from Roxton Ave onto Rodeo Drive has to > stop.  That, in my opinion, has nothing to do with lanes.  I'm not sure why > it's so important to model in the first place (y

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag lanes, not ways, was: Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009/8/30 Anthony : > Of course, if you want to add up the instances of one-lane, bi-directional, > roads with stop signs, and the instances of undivided roads with stop-signs > which only apply to some lanes going in the same direction, I'm sure there > are many many more of the former. I doubt t

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag lanes, not ways, was: Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009/8/30 Anthony : > It was you who suggested that a stop sign is applicable to a lane not a > way.  I'd say, like Tobias, that it is applicable to a way and a direction. No, you stop at a stop sign which is a point on a way, direction only matters if you can't tag this point on individual lanes.

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag lanes, not ways, was: Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009/8/30 Anthony : > True but the example did not show why that was needed.  Looking at > commercial mapping software, the typical solution is to split the way. This whole discussion started because of people wanting to do weird things to show how a stop sign was applicable to a lane not a way, t

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag lanes, not ways, was: Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009/8/30 Peter Childs : > Another reason this is a bad idea, is that its difficult to access, > search index and process. I think lanes need there own records, like > ways, nodes and relations. There would be some absolute limitations we will have to work around, but while it would make these thi

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag lanes, not ways, was: Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009/8/30 Anthony : > > > > > > > > That solution would fail to allow us to attach nodes to individual lanes. This is just another hack to try and accomodate the existing framework and I think it's a bad idea to try and cram multiple values into a single keypair. We need a proper solutio

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag lanes, not ways, was: Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

I've had some more time to think about this, things should stay more or less how they are now, the only extension OSM DB wise would be an additional table storing lane information for ways. Also the existing API would only need a small extension to cope with this as well. This way n

Re: [OSM-talk] New dimension of vandalism

2009/8/29 Peteris Krisjanis : > Ok, maybe I haven't explained myself succesfully (English is not my > first). It is more like street which goes trough yard (usually between > big apartment houses). How does that differ from highway=service ? ___ talk m

Re: [OSM-talk] New dimension of vandalism

2009/8/29 Mike Harris : > The law may say that in ?Poland? (apologies if I've guessed the wrong Slavic > language) - but I don't think it does in - for example - England. Here, I > have hardly ever - if ever - seen a 'living street' - at least as I > understand the wiki definition. I tend to use

Re: [OSM-talk] Local Chapters Working Group Update

2009/8/29 Peter Miller : > As agreed in an earlier thread on talk [1] can we have an email list for > this subject. How about talk-local? Can we have it now! +100 Why are people being excluded from these decisions when I've repeatedly told/emailed you that 6pm BST is unsuitable for a number of in

Re: [OSM-talk] Beach volleyball

2009/8/28 Valent Turkovic : > Hi, I would like to know how to tag beach (sand) volleyball courts? People have been using natural=sand to tag golf bunkers. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] We need a report spam button for diary entries... and to ban accounts repeatedly spamming...

2009/8/28 Tom Hughes : > What do you mean exactly? Well if enough people can tag a post as spam it would effectively disappear from the site to be reviewed and/or deleted, maybe you could have a more extensive rating system, don't know, but this would allow native speakers of various languages to

Re: [OSM-talk] We need a report spam button for diary entries... and to ban accounts repeatedly spamming...

2009/8/28 Thomas Wood : > Accounts spamming are banned. > They're usually caught in good time by our master admin. Why not make use of crowd sourcing? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] New proposal: Bad data

2009/8/28 James Livingston : > If someone doesn't upload their trace _and_ doesn't add a source tag, > then I'll assume that my GPS trace is more accurate than whatever they > used. I think that's fair, because all someone has to do if they have > an accurate way is let other mappers know that by

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag lanes, not ways, was: Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009/8/28 Tobias Knerr : > I believe that stop signs have usually nothing to do with lanes (though > there probably are exceptions). They apply to everyone travelling into a > certain direction, no matter on what lane. This becomes apparent in > streets where there are no distinct lanes for the two

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag lanes, not ways, was: Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009/8/28 Peter Childs : > A Way can have many lanes, Infact the default is lanes=2 (or is it?) > > oneway=yes infers lanes=1 Seems like a sane assumption. > A Lane may need to be in a relation etc. The way would be the relation, and the properties of the way should cascade to the lane, and then

[OSM-talk] We need a report spam button for diary entries... and to ban accounts repeatedly spamming...

More diary spam: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/mariann/diary/7691 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag lanes, not ways, was: Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009/8/28 Roy Wallace : > I actually think it leaves things in slightly better shape - like me > tagging a post box outside, or tagging my addr:housenumber. Sure, it's I'm not talking about post boxes or house addressing schemes, I'm talking about being able to tag lanes on a way differently when

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