Stefan Keller sfkel...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi John
I think some EU countries (and Switzerland) also have this 5 years
rule.
But I'm not a professional lawyer.
If anybody is, then I suggest that he could offer his services to the
OSMF as a volunteer (e.g. for a 2nd opinion).
Yours, Stefan
After reading this long thread (not all), I naively still don't
understand where the problem is. The trademark is in US. It has been
refused in Europe. The wiki is hosted in Europe. End of story. It is
just a problem for our US colleagues to reproduce the concerned parts
of the wiki in US.
I'm
Why does a company in one country care about what a court says in another
country?
Perhaps because of a treaty where the countries mutually recognize the
decisions of the courts of the other country.
Where no treaty exists, there may be common law that allows enforcement of
the judgements of a
Simon Poole writes:
As you may have noticed we have removed all links displaying the Google
geocoding service from the wiki. These changes are a consequence of a
legal issue with respect to the trademark GEOCODE owned by Geocode, Inc.
of Alexandria, Virginia, USA.
WRONG, and FAIL. First,
Richard Fairhurst writes:
Jean-Marc Liotier wrote:
Why is Openstreetmap yielding to such blatant appropriation of
the English language ?
Because we have bigger battles to fight. Let Google piss their money away on
defending the term geocode. If OSM has $1m to spend, which it
Having read some more on this issue, I think the board has done the
right thing. Apologies to anyone offended.
Christopher Woods (IWD) writes:
On 02/02/2013 21:01, Aun Yngve Johnsen wrote:
This discussion is way out of hand. You guys screaming for publishing the
C+D, didn't you see the
Simon Poole writes:
I've taken the time and at least on more or less current pages have
redone the edits with a bit a finer brush, essentially with a very small
number of exceptions there should be no noticeable impact on actual
content now.
I'm reaching out to our counsel to see if we
Stefan Keller writes:
Just for the curious of this ridiculous U.S. trademark thing:
I found another company claiming GEOCODE as trademark:
http://www.markhound.com/trademark/search/WbEfGtOgm
And I'm wondering what these 65 services will do
http://www.programmableweb.com/apitag/geocoding
Hi Russ
Thanks for the explanations.
I think I got that.
What most if us call absurd, is that (U.S.) patent offices let pass
common names as trademarks when verifying the formal requirements.
But what we're doing here is only plain guessing.
So let's wait what the lawyer in charge recommends and
Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote:
Having read some more on this issue, I think the board has done the
right thing. Apologies to anyone offended.
Christopher Woods (IWD) writes:
On 02/02/2013 21:01, Aun Yngve Johnsen wrote:
This discussion is way out of hand. You guys screaming for
Hi John
I think some EU countries (and Switzerland) also have this 5 years rule.
But I'm not a professional lawyer.
If anybody is, then I suggest that he could offer his services to the
OSMF as a volunteer (e.g. for a 2nd opinion).
Yours, Stefan
2013/2/4 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com:
On 01.02.2013 22:07, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote:
The verb 'to geocode' is generic English language word and I'll stand
by that even if a US court decides otherwise.
+1
And there was also mentioned that tradmark was rejected in EU.
Additionally: if i search for the some information in the WWW I
From: Ilya Zverev [mailto:zve...@textual.ru]
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue
Hi. Since no one has explained, I'd quote a part from OSMF Board Meeting
Minutes:
OSMF received C+D letter from someone who trademarked the word
“Geocode(TM)” and asks us
On 02/01/2013 04:22 PM, Simon Poole wrote:
Please address any questions on the matter to me by e-mail and not to
the list.
Why?
Paweł
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On 02/01/2013 08:54 PM, andrzej zaborowski wrote:
I agree with what you're saying although I can't help thinking that
if the OSMF can't take the risk of having some things in the wiki,
the solution, for everyone's benefit, is to move the wiki to a server
that's not paid for by the OSMF. I'm
On Friday, February 1, 2013, Simon Poole wrote:
If you find use of the term “geocode” on our wiki or help site please
replace it with a generic term (for example search), or report it to my
e-mail address.
Hey Simon - I find this hard to believe. Can you confirm that OSMF was
requested to
+1 to many responses in this thread. I'm in favour of a bit more
centralized steering of OSM. Not only by OSMF, but also by other people
(within and outside working groups) who will put a bit more coordinated
energy in thinking about strenghts, weaknesses, opportunities and threats.
Like
On 02/02/2013 02:38 PM, Ed Loach wrote:
As far as I can see, OSMF Ltd is very like KDE ev; compare
http://blog.osmfoundation.org/about/ and
http://ev.kde.org/whatiskdeev.php
Legal status is the least of what I meant. Compare what OSMF does with
this quarterly report from the KDE foundation:
I've taken the time and at least on more or less current pages have
redone the edits with a bit a finer brush, essentially with a very small
number of exceptions there should be no noticeable impact on actual
content now.
I'm reaching out to our counsel to see if we can release the CD, but
IMHO
On Feb 1, 2013, at 10:22 AM, Simon Poole si...@osmfoundation.org wrote:
If you find use of the term “geocode” on our wiki or help site please
replace it with a generic term (for example search), or report it to my
e-mail address.
Hey Simon - I find this hard to believe. Can you confirm
On Sat, Feb 02, 2013 at 04:45:56PM +0100, Simon Poole wrote:
I'm reaching out to our counsel to see if we can release the CD, but
IMHO it is unlikely. Further I know that the statement has caused some
Come on. That's rediculous. What's this? A secret government order? What do you
fear will
On 02/01/2013 07:47 PM, f.dos.san...@free.fr wrote:
It's here :
https://docs.google.com/a/osmfoundation.org/document/d/19wLhnezowHBio9zGaJkNaCbDX-gmWNHUSdx1kdQJYY0/edit
/Cease+Desist letter Geocode(TM)/
/OSMF received C+D letter from someone who trademarked the word
Geocode(TM) and
Hi all, hi Simon,
I tried to wait a day and think about what's been written and to calm
down about this unspeakable issue. But I can't stop myself from
replying.
I don't mind about the word/trademark GEOCODE, nor do I mind about your
wiki changes. But what makes me furious is your/the OSMF's
Jochen123 wrote
On Sat, Feb 02, 2013 at 04:45:56PM +0100, Simon Poole wrote:
I'm reaching out to our counsel to see if we can release the CD, but
IMHO it is unlikely. Further I know that the statement has caused some
Come on. That's rediculous. What's this? A secret government order? What
Jean-Marc Liotier wrote
Is a cease desist letter all it takes for the OSMF to cave in to silly
demands from random parties ? Can't we at least make a symbolic stand
and let the aggressor escalate before we capitulate ? From a purely
material point of view, that would be cheap publicity for
This discussion is way out of hand. You guys screaming for publishing the C+D,
didn't you see the answer from SimonPoole? They have asked lawyers about advise
in publishing it, as well as releasing more information about it. It is not a
sign of weak leadership to ask for legal advise in a case
You might think that OSMF is not being transparent enough at this point. I
think we'll learn more in time. I've gone into detail on my blog if you
want more words. :-)
But, looking at the CD as a negotiation, it would be foolish to discuss
settlement terms in advance in public. For example,
I'm not a lawyer with experience in this area, so for me it would make no
sense to take a look at the CD at this moment. If there's such a lawyer
among the readers of this list or in our related friends/family, he/she can
advice the OSMF board directly with the needed level of professional
advice.
On 02/02/2013 21:01, Aun Yngve Johnsen wrote:
This discussion is way out of hand. You guys screaming for publishing the C+D,
didn't you see the answer from SimonPoole? They have asked lawyers about advise
in publishing it, as well as releasing more information about it. It is not a
sign of
I support the boards's decisions not only because of being consequent
(having elected them democratically) but because of good reasons.
Although I worked next to Einstein's office (90 years later after he
was at Swiss patent office :-) I'm not a lawyer. But I learned to be
cautious when there's a
Just for the curious of this ridiculous U.S. trademark thing:
I found another company claiming GEOCODE as trademark:
http://www.markhound.com/trademark/search/WbEfGtOgm
And I'm wondering what these 65 services will do
http://www.programmableweb.com/apitag/geocoding
especially TomTom with it's
Dear OSM Contributors
As you may have noticed we have removed all links displaying the Google
geocoding service from the wiki. These changes are a consequence of a
legal issue with respect to the trademark GEOCODE owned by Geocode, Inc.
of Alexandria, Virginia, USA. There are likely to be further
this is something for private emails.
Jochen
On Fri, Feb 01, 2013 at 04:22:24PM +0100, Simon Poole wrote:
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 16:22:24 +0100
From: Simon Poole si...@osmfoundation.org
To: openstreetmap talk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue
Dear OSM
On 01.02.13 16:48, Jochen Topf wrote:
I don't think use of the English language is merely incidental to what we
are
doing here. Can you explain why we suddenly can't use words from the English
language any more? ... And no, I don't think this is something for private
emails.
100% agreed.
On 01/02/2013 16:22, Simon Poole wrote:
the trademark GEOCODE owned by Geocode, Inc.
If you find use of the term geocode on our wiki or help site please
replace it with a generic term (for example search)
Why is Openstreetmap yielding to such blatant appropriation of the
English language ?
Jean-Marc Liotier wrote:
Why is Openstreetmap yielding to such blatant appropriation of
the English language ?
Because we have bigger battles to fight. Let Google piss their money away on
defending the term geocode. If OSM has $1m to spend, which it doesn't, I'd
rather it spent it on making
Plugging google geocode trademark issue and several variations of it
in three different search engines didn't give any meaningful results.
So unless you can explain to us why a foundation in the UK with servers
in the UK should be bothered by a trademark conflict between two other
parties on the
Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net
À : talk@openstreetmap.org
Envoyé le : Vendredi 1 février 2013 11h14
Objet : Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue
Jean-Marc Liotier wrote:
Why is Openstreetmap yielding to such blatant appropriation of
the English language ?
Because we have bigger
On 01/02/2013 16:26, Pierre Béland wrote:
It seems that the term geocode was first used in the fourtheen century
and comes from old french. Google trademark?
See http://www.memidex.com/geocode
I think you'll find that's the word 'code', not 'geocode'.
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If you search for geocode in the EU trademark database[1], then you'll
find that the trademark was refused last year, with no possibility for
appeal.
[1]http://oami.europa.eu/CTMOnline/RequestManager/en_SearchBasic
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On Fri, Feb 01, 2013 at 08:14:23AM -0800, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
Jean-Marc Liotier wrote:
Why is Openstreetmap yielding to such blatant appropriation of
the English language ?
Because we have bigger battles to fight. Let Google piss their money away on
defending the term geocode. If
@andres / @cartinus, such a trade mark has been issued by USPTO
http://weait.com/content/trade-mark
Anyone who cares to pick up this fight with their money, is likely to be
able to do so very simply.
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On 01/02/13 17:49, Richard Weait wrote:
@andres / @cartinus, such a trade mark has been issued by USPTO
http://weait.com/content/trade-mark
Anyone who cares to pick up this fight with their money, is likely to be
able to do so very simply.
On 01/02/13 17:49, Richard Weait wrote:
@andres / @cartinus, such a trade mark has been issued by USPTO
http://weait.com/content/trade-mark
Anyone who cares to pick up this fight with their money, is likely to be
able to do so very simply.
Oh, come on:
Get up, stand up... and I
Hi. Regardless of that trademark business, I've checked Simon's edits
and they mostly consist of removing links to google maps, which contain
empty geocode parameter and them (and many other redundant parameters
that editors didn't bother to omit). Some of the edits are quite funny,
for
Team -
The OSMF BoD is doing the job for which its members were elected. Thank
goodness.
There's a trademark. We've been served notice (I believe). The board has
made a decision. The chairman of the board (probably a (tm) term...) has
communicated this decision.
Fine, disagree, but please
2013/2/1 Simon Poole si...@osmfoundation.org:
issue with respect to the trademark GEOCODE owned by Geocode, Inc. of
Alexandria, Virginia, USA. There are likely to be further related edits and
changes both on the wiki and the help site. Please do not add such removed
links back or undo any such
On 01/02/2013 18:11, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
2013/2/1 Simon Poole si...@osmfoundation.org:
issue with respect to the trademark GEOCODE owned by Geocode, Inc. of
Alexandria, Virginia, USA. There are likely to be further related edits and
changes both on the wiki and the help site. Please do
Am 01.02.2013 19:06, schrieb Jeff Meyer:
Yes, it sounds silly to trademark geocode, yes, it's a US-only thing, but
these issues are solved in courts, with real money for real lawyers, not
well-reasoned arguments on email threads supported by personal moral and
ethical constructs and not law.
I
On 02/01/2013 07:06 PM, Jeff Meyer wrote:
We've been served notice (I believe).
O really, we've been officially served? Then that should not be a secret
is it?
Please put whatever communication the OSMF received in a place we can
see. So we know what is actually forbidden. Stop treating the
Because of the time constraints the removal of the google links is quite
rough, however most (as in all except a handful) of the links were
either old, outdated, or/and unused, as for example essentially all
links to old errors in Google maps based on TeleAtlas data, which should
have been
It's here :
https://docs.google.com/a/osmfoundation.org/document/d/19wLhnezowHBio9zGaJkNaCbDX-gmWNHUSdx1kdQJYY0/edit
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From: Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl
To: talk@openstreetmap.org
Date: 01/02/2013 19:32:44
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark
Hi. Since no one has explained, I'd quote a part from OSMF Board
Meeting Minutes:
OSMF received C+D letter from someone who trademarked the word
“Geocode(TM)” and asks us to remove all references to this from our web
site where it is connected in some way with Google services. Simon is
in
] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue
O really, we've been officially served? Then that should not be a
secret
is it?
Please put whatever communication the OSMF received in a place we can
see. So we know what is actually forbidden. Stop treating the
volunteers as mushrooms
On 1 February 2013 19:06, Jeff Meyer j...@gwhat.org wrote:
The OSMF BoD is doing the job for which its members were elected. Thank
goodness.
There's a trademark. We've been served notice (I believe). The board has
made a decision. The chairman of the board (probably a (tm) term...) has
A. Reiter
CC: talk@openstreetmap.org
Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue
Team -
The OSMF BoD is doing the job for which its members were elected. Thank
goodness.
There's a trademark. We've been served notice (I believe). The board has
made a decision
On 02/01/2013 08:54 PM, andrzej zaborowski wrote:
On 1 February 2013 19:06, Jeff Meyer j...@gwhat.org
mailto:j...@gwhat.org wrote:
Fine, disagree, but please disagree with a plan for how to fund
your alternate plan, describing in detail the source of new funds
or what other OSMF
You mentioned cleaning up the Wiki and the Help QA site.
What about mailing list archives? Will the OSMF then start deleting emails
if they contain Google Maps links?
On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 2:41 AM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote:
Because of the time constraints the removal of the google
Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:
What about mailing list archives? Will the OSMF then start deleting
emails if they contain Google Maps links?
I'd quite like the OSMF to start deleting e-mails that don't quote the
previous message properly. ;)
cheers
Richard
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