Hi Kathleen,
OK. No more statistical data in this topic (just wanted to make a point
that drinking is present in the traditional culture of many countries).
As for the inclusion, - the industry provides nowadays a large choice of
alcohol-free beer, wine, sparkling wine [1]. And even alcohol-free
Oleksly,
As for the inclusion, - the industry provides nowadays a large choice of
alcohol-free beer, wine, sparkling wine [1]. And even alcohol-free
vodka, alcohol-free whiskey, tequila, brandy, etc. [2].
I don't think we should be relying on the alcohol producers to be providing
us with
Joseph,
During millions of years of evolution eating and drinking together meant
that people belonged to the same tribe. Drinking together is beneficial
for a group cohesion. It is in our culture and in our genes.
Certainly, if I go to a sport event people drink tea and water there. I
just
Olekisy,
I think the point about statistics is like your point about alcohol
free beer- it misses the point. The question before OSM isn't Do OSM
events model the alcoholic consumption trends of the country they're
in? nor is the question Are there beverages which taste similar to
alchol free
Sorry, I find this 25 emails discussion about having orange juice or
not in OSM alcoholic events just ridiculous. Everyone is free to
join or organize an OSM event, with or without alcohol. Everyone is
free to add non-alcoholic drinks or quieter rooms in such events.
What I'm sure is that OSM has
2014-11-05 16:25 GMT+01:00 Pieren pier...@gmail.com:
Sorry, I find this 25 emails discussion about having orange juice or
not in OSM alcoholic events just ridiculous. Everyone is free to
join or organize an OSM event, with or without alcohol. Everyone is
free to add non-alcoholic drinks or
On 05.11.2014 12:23, Serge Wroclawski wrote:
Olekisy,
...
for me, it's not the alcohol per se, but the whole bar/beer culture.
It's not that if you provide some beverages, I'm more willing to go,
it's that being in a loud, crowded place is quite literally painful,
and so while I will
Same here, unless people are brought by force to OSM meetings and forced
again to driks alcohol, this is a non issue.
Good point for the smokers.
On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com
wrote:
2014-11-05 16:25 GMT+01:00 Pieren pier...@gmail.com:
Sorry, I
On 04.11.2014 07:02, Roland Olbricht wrote:
You should wait for further feedback, but I sounds to me like a
US-American, not an OSM problem.
as a person who usually doesn't drink alcohol I second Roland. Within
all the events regarding OSM and open SW and hacking and I joined
within the
Hi Richard,
Thanks so much for sharing this piece. I'm actually friends with the author
and she's gotten really great feedback. I'm pleased to see it showing up in
our community.
I definitely think this is something we can be better about. As someone who
has helped organize SOTM-US in the past I
WHO data [1] does not corroborate it. Both countries have comparable
litres per capita per year.
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_alcohol_consumption
brgds
Oleksiy
On 04.11.2014 14:33, Kathleen Danielson wrote:
...
As an aside, since I am an American I cannot say whether
liters per capita may have correlation with tech events are too focused on
alcohol -
but it is not enough to consider it as a good measurement of this problem.
2014-11-04 15:03 GMT+01:00 Oleksiy Muzalyev oleksiy.muzal...@bluewin.ch:
WHO data [1] does not corroborate it. Both countries have
On 04/11/14 14:03, Oleksiy Muzalyev wrote:
WHO data [1] does not corroborate it. Both countries have comparable
litres per capita per year.
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_alcohol_consumption
Well are you looking at row 1 or row 23 because both are apparently for
the
I looked at the data of The World Health Organization (WHO), a
specialized agency of the United Nations. It is the second list.
brgds
Oleksiy
On 04.11.2014 15:23, Tom Hughes wrote:
On 04/11/14 14:03, Oleksiy Muzalyev wrote:
WHO data [1] does not corroborate it. Both countries have comparable
On 2014-11-04 at 15:03:59 +0100, Oleksiy Muzalyev wrote:
WHO data [1] does not corroborate it. Both countries have comparable
litres per capita per year.
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_alcohol_consumption
litres per capita drunk aren't very indicative of the way the
On 2014-11-04 at 15:42:09 +0100, Elena ``of Valhalla'' wrote:
litres per capita drunk aren't very indicative of the way the presence
of alcool at an event is related to social pressure at drinking;
it is a bad indicator for lots of other things, actually,
since it is expecially bad at
Here is the WHO (World Health Organization) statistics of /heavy
episodic drinking among drinkers, males and females /[1] by country for
2010. It is in the form of interactive graph (Requires Flash player).
[1]
http://www.who.int/gho/alcohol/consumption_patterns/heavy_episodic_drinkers/en/
Do you think that we could take the conversation on alcohol consumption
statistics to a different forum? I don't think that's adding value to our
discussion of making sure that we aren't excluding folks who prefer not to
drink.
On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 6:04 PM, Oleksiy Muzalyev
Not to be a wise ass but it looks recently like OSM is setting out to
solve every single problem starting from gender inequality, good
practices for bookkeeping, methods for democratic voting and now
alcoholic beverages and noise levels at OSM related events...
At the same time Ilya Zverev's
On Tuesday 04 November 2014, Michael Kugelmann wrote:
On 04.11.2014 07:02, Roland Olbricht wrote:
You should wait for further feedback, but I sounds to me like a
US-American, not an OSM problem.
as a person who usually doesn't drink alcohol I second Roland. Within
all the events regarding
On 04.11.2014 19:21, Christoph Hormann wrote
This is however a more general problem of the acceptance of alcohol
consumption in our society as a whole, at least in Europe and the US.
I can see no specific problem for OSM here.
[...]
+1
a useful guideline for anyone planning an OSM event.
I
Paweł,
On 11/04/2014 06:54 PM, Paweł Paprota wrote:
I am regarded by most people as a troll by now but even trolls can
feel pain at the sight of something placed on its head.
I don't think anybody regards you as a troll. Trolls post shit to
mailing lists because they like to spark protest. If
I read this article recently and It got me thinking. Do we devalue
community members, or potential community members who don't drink?
Thank you for the whole story. When I've read the subject line, it
rather sounded like a joke.
I've hardly seen the problem ever in the German software
Richard,
Yes, it's quite significant.
There are many events, eg at SOTM-US where I've felt very
uncomfortable both due to alcohol and noise.
It's hard to find public places to hold social events that don't serve
alcohol, though.
While I do drink on occasion (once every 3-4 months), I often
Recently I attended the Google Summer of Code 10 Year Reunion. All the
events there were set-up well for those that wished to drink and those that
didn't. I think the significant things that I noticed that really helped
were the following:
1. Good non-alcoholic options for those that didn't
There's a variety of ways to meet and talk. At this event about three
thousand people meet every Sunday. As you can see they eat, drink and
talk together [1] all right.
There is also child-care service [2], and genders are represented about
equally [3], age groups too.
By the way, the main event
I read this article recently and It got me thinking. Do we devalue
community members, or potential community members who don't drink?
A quote from the article, When alcohol is currency, non-alcoholic
drinks are considered valueless, and the interests and needs of people
who don’t drink alcohol
As someone who does not drink coffee or beer it is a minor obstacle
sometimes in social situations.
The free beer draw has usually a negative effect on the odds of me
attending some session. So far in Iceland we haven't been active in
planning events but if I have a say in it we will make any
On 11/1/2014 3:05 PM, Richard Weait wrote:
I read this article recently and It got me thinking. Do we devalue
community members, or potential community members who don't drink?
A quote from the article, When alcohol is currency, non-alcoholic
drinks are considered valueless, and the interests
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