Re: [OSM-talk] Adding wikidata tags to the remaining objects with only wikipedia tag

>> So you have two tables of same structure. Voila. You can compare >> anything (title, coordinates), in any direction with some >> approximation if needed etc. No OSM wikidata involved at all. > > Thomas, this will not work. Matching wikidata & osm by coordinates is > useless, because the

[OSM-talk] OSMCha isn't showing new changesets

https://osmcha.mapbox.com/ hasn't been showing new changesets since 5 days. Does anyone know why? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Adding wikidata tags to the remaining objects with only wikipedia tag

You can compareanything (title, coordinates), in any direction with someapproximation if needed etc.  That's the root of an evil. That comparison have to be done manually. I really don't understand why wikidata needs to be added. It needs to be added to avoid manual fixes of wikipedia

Re: [OSM-talk] Adding wikidata tags to the remaining objects with only wikipedia tag

On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Tomas Straupis wrote: > > Tomas, you claimed that "It adds NO value." This is demonstrably wrong. > You > > are right that the same fixing was done for years. But until wikidata > tag, > > there was no easy way to FIND them. > > There

Re: [OSM-talk] Adding wikidata tags to the remaining objects with only wikipedia tag

On 10/1/2017 5:39 PM, Yuri Astrakhan wrote: Lastly, if the coordinates are different, you may not copy it from OSM to Wikidata because of the difference in the license. Just for clarity and anyone reading the archives later, copying from Wikidata to OSM is also a problem because Wikidata

Re: [OSM-talk] Adding wikidata tags to the remaining objects with only wikipedia tag

John, I guess it is always good to talk as a data scientist - with numbers and facts. Here's why matching by coordinates would not work. This query calculates the distance between the OSM nodes, and the coordinates that Wikidata has for those nodes. I only looked at nodes, because ways and

Re: [OSM-talk] Adding wikidata tags to the remaining objects with only wikipedia tag

>Assuming my above arguments has convinced you No I still do not see a requirement here, but there again I'm only part of the community and that's the concern you appear to be ramming this down our threats. As for what iD does or does not do, I don't see that is relevant. Why does OSM need it

Re: [OSM-talk] Adding wikidata tags to the remaining objects with only wikipedia tag

On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 8:15 PM, john whelan wrote: > Since an OSM object has lat and long value and it appears that wiki > whatever also has one the entries can be linked. > Not so. The data is very often different between wikipedia, wikidata, and OSM. Also, the same

Re: [OSM-talk] Adding wikidata tags to the remaining objects with only wikipedia tag

Rather than fill OSM up with automated edits that have not even been discussed with the local community can we think more about functionality? Since an OSM object has lat and long value and it appears that wiki whatever also has one the entries can be linked. "This gives you a very simple table

[OSM-talk-fr] Comment utiliser Openstreetmap avec les format de fichiers utilisé par les ɢᴘꜱ Mappy (sous traités par Logicom) ?

Bonjour, Mappy utilise Winᴄᴇ sur ᴀʀᴍ, et de ce fait, tout le système de cartographie n’est qu’un simple .exe Les cartes utilisent l’extension .fbl… et les point d’intérêt .poi. Ces format ne sont reconnu par aucun programme, et binwalk ne donne aucune information valide. Quels sont les

Re: [OSM-talk] Adding wikidata tags to the remaining objects with only wikipedia tag

Hi everybody. We already accepted wikipedia links keep in mind that wiki article isn't the same abstraction as OSM object. And the way we make a reference on wiki articles differs over time. It was a link, it was an article name, it was a name with language prefix. Wikidata id is a way to make

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging "Shared space" roads (Preston City Centre)

And here's a road that wants to be a shared space but isn't there yet... https://www.facebook.com/NHnieuws/videos/1627424217288914/ The goal of reducing the traffic speed has been achieved, apparently. On 2017-10-01 20:16, Richard Mann wrote: > The classic shared space scheme in Haren: > >

[OSM-talk-fr] Bornes à incendie : votez sur la 1ere proposition

Bonsoir à tous, Suite à la séparation en plusieurs morceaux de la proposition sur les bornes à incendie, le premier volet est ouvert au vote. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Fire_Hydrant_Extensions C'est une évolution plutôt ambitieuse qui est proposée. Même si un

Re: [Talk-it] Strada comunale

Ok grazie! Il giorno 28 settembre 2017 15:35, Martin Koppenhoefer < dieterdre...@gmail.com> ha scritto: > se non c'è un numero, allora non mettere un tag "ref", e volendo potresti > mettere noref=yes. Invece per il nome, quando non esiste, c'è il tag > noname=yes. Entrambi i tags servono per i

Re: [OSM-talk] Adding wikidata tags to the remaining objects with only wikipedia tag

On 1 October 2017 at 18:29, Tomas Straupis wrote: >> Also, please elaborate which community has asked me to stay away??? > > Lithuania. Please can you point to the place where this was discussed and consensus reached, also to where that was communicated to the wider

Re: [OSM-talk] Adding wikidata tags to the remaining objects with only wikipedia tag

2017-10-01 21:45 GMT+02:00 Tomas Straupis : > > > >> When we create a POI detail page, we want to add a link (url without > >> redirects) to a wikipedia page. To do that it is straightforward to > >> use a value in wikipedia tag. > > Great, thanks. As you can see,

Re: [OSM-talk] Adding wikidata tags to the remaining objects with only wikipedia tag

>> It is mostly because you pushed the effort, not beaucse of >> "advantage of wikidata". The same fixing has already been done for >> YEARS before your effors based on wikipedia tags only. > > > Tomas, you claimed that "It adds NO value." This is demonstrably wrong. You > are right that the

Re: [OSM-talk] Adding wikidata tags to the remaining objects with only wikipedia tag

On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 1:29 PM, Tomas Straupis wrote: > 2017-10-01 20:04 GMT+03:00 Yuri Astrakhan: > >> 2. Its not a WORK to automatically update one osm tag according to > another > >> osm tag (anybody can do it online/locally/etc). It adds NO value. > > > > It adds

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging "Shared space" roads (Preston City Centre)

The classic shared space scheme in Haren: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/53.17312/6.60310 has no tags that I can see. I'd go for something like shared_space=yes for the moment. It's a "special" type of traffic calming. On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 6:14 PM, Colin Smale

Re: [Talk-it] Fwd: [OSM-talk] All the subway systems in the world

sent from a phone > On 1. Oct 2017, at 10:27, Cascafico Giovanni wrote: > > Ed io che pensavo ci fossero solo una paio di nodi a Roma ... :-) > non sono solo subway, sono anche treni regionali/trenini, non so se ha molto senso aggiungere un station=light_rail a tutte

Re: [OSM-talk] Adding wikidata tags to the remaining objects with only wikipedia tag

2017-10-01 20:04 GMT+03:00 Yuri Astrakhan: >> 2. Its not a WORK to automatically update one osm tag according to another >> osm tag (anybody can do it online/locally/etc). It adds NO value. > > It adds HUGE value, as was repeatably shown. Thanks to Wikidata IDs, the > community was able to see and

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging "Shared space" roads (Preston City Centre)

Just like in the UK, the councils here make it up as they go along; a "shared space" has no special legal status, unlike a "woonerf". A general principle which has proved its worth is that to make things safer, you remove the safety features. Like white lines and kerbs. Everyone moans a bit, but

Re: [OSM-talk] Adding wikidata tags to the remaining objects with only wikipedia tag

On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Tomas Straupis wrote: > I guess the point is that: > 1. Its ok to play with some pet-tag like wikidata > 100 % agree > 2. Its not a WORK to automatically update one osm tag according to another > osm tag (anybody can do it

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging "Shared space" roads (Preston City Centre)

Not an answer, but a suggestion where there might be a bit more info... The Netherlands forum https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewforum.php?id=12 might be worth a read, since the shared space concept was pioneered there; https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=54843 is directly about

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging "Shared space" roads (Preston City Centre)

My original solution when I changed the living streets back to normal roads a few months back was to just add extra tags to highlight the features of the scheme: access, traffic calming, surface, maxspeed:practical etc. I have just received a message from contributor 'lakedistrict' who raised the

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging "Shared space" roads (Preston City Centre)

One of the first edits I did in OSM was to change my local high street to a tertiary road from a living_street. I think I noticed it because it's rendered different by osm-carto and some routers wouldn't use the road for directions. It's a 20mph two lane road, except with three traffic

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging "Shared space" roads (Preston City Centre)

On 01/10/2017 14:47, Adam Snape wrote: If a shared space is not a living street how should it be tagged? For "quiet lanes" (which are sort-of a rural analogue to urban "home zones") I went with "designation", and it looks like I'm not the only one:

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Do you Tag those as cycleway?

Hi, comments below On 01-10-17 15:06, Yves bxl-forever wrote: > Hello, > > It may be a good idea to freshen up the pages on the wiki to remove all > confusion about this. > Perhaps we could summarize all the discussions as such. > > > 1) If a street is one-way for motor traffic but open to

Re: [OSM-talk] Adding wikidata tags to the remaining objects with only wikipedia tag

I guess the point is that: 1. Its ok to play with some pet-tag like wikidata 2. Its not a WORK to automatically update one osm tag according to another osm tag (anybody can do it online/locally/etc). It adds NO value. 3. It is totally unacceptable to introduce idea that wikipedia tag could be

Re: [OSM-talk] Adding wikidata tags to the remaining objects with only wikipedia tag

On 1 October 2017 at 14:03, Andy Townsend wrote: > On 01/10/2017 13:05, Andy Mabbett wrote: >> And now you're making things up. >> > just two posts earlier in this thread you said > >> I don't think this kind of sarcastic hyperbole helps to move things >> forward, nor to

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging "Shared space" roads (Preston City Centre)

Hi Colin, I agree entirely (though note that the two share many of those features so I can see where the argument comes from). If a shared space is not a living street how should it be tagged? Adam On 1 October 2017 at 14:29, Colin Smale wrote: > It depends if you

Re: [OSM-talk] All the subway systems in the world

Hi Daniel, > Nice to see another unification effort, but I have a specific question: we > have an interchange station in Warsaw called "Świętokrzyska". I marked it as > one station some time ago in the middle of lines crossing. > Lately somebody (namely

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging "Shared space" roads (Preston City Centre)

It depends if you want to have a uniform basis for "living_street" across the world (well, Europe at least). The concept is well known and understood in continental Europe, and basically implies driving at walking pace, no separate pavements, no parking except in marked spaces, and all road users

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging "Shared space" roads (Preston City Centre)

On 01/10/17 14:12, Adam Snape wrote: To move things forward I would like others' opinions about how we should map such shared space schemes Are we happy to broaden the definition of living_street to include them or are they better mapped as ordinary streets with additional tags? Another

[Talk-GB] Tagging "Shared space" roads (Preston City Centre)

Hi, Over the past couple of years Fishergate, the high street in Preston, and some surrounding streets have been redeveloped and these highways are now designated as 'shared space' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shared_space Following redeveleopment these were mapped as "highway=living_street".

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Do you Tag those as cycleway?

Hello, It may be a good idea to freshen up the pages on the wiki to remove all confusion about this. Perhaps we could summarize all the discussions as such. 1) If a street is one-way for motor traffic but open to cyclists in both direction, we use this: oneway=yes

Re: [OSM-talk] Adding wikidata tags to the remaining objects with only wikipedia tag

On 01/10/2017 13:05, Andy Mabbett wrote: And now you're making things up. just two posts earlier in this thread you said > I don't think this kind of sarcastic hyperbole helps to move things > forward, nor to engender an atmosphere of collegial collaboration. > Please resist the temptation

Re: [OSM-talk] Adding wikidata tags to the remaining objects with only wikipedia tag

On 1 October 2017 at 12:13, Christoph Hormann wrote: > the consensus in the OSM community to link to Wikipedia articles, and > other useful third-party sources? > I find it fascinating how both you and Yuri seem to be eager to always > deflect the discussion from the main

Re: [OSM-talk] Adding wikidata tags to the remaining objects with only wikipedia tag

On Sunday 01 October 2017, Marc Gemis wrote: > > If I noticed an inception date on a information sign next to a > building, is this original research or a secondary source ? The date on the sign is verifiable as a signed date, not necessarily as a date connected to the building. Historic

Re: [OSM-talk] Adding wikidata tags to the remaining objects with only wikipedia tag

On Sunday 01 October 2017, Andy Mabbett wrote: > > Or perhaps it is you who is "deep denial" about the consensus in the > OSM community to link to Wikipedia articles, and other useful > third-party sources? May i suggest you to read my previous messages on this thread to find the answer to that

Re: [Talk-us] dubious church node

Usually when I find a POI for a church that no longer exists, the USGS topo maps also show a church at that location.  Comparing the aerials and the maps confirms the church POI should be deleted (or marked as historic). Mark Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone Original

Re: [OSM-talk] Adding wikidata tags to the remaining objects with only wikipedia tag

On 1 October 2017 at 10:06, Christoph Hormann wrote: > On Sunday 01 October 2017, Yuri Astrakhan wrote: > Wow, i had to read this twice to really believe what i was reading here. I don't think this kind of sarcastic hyperbole helps to move things forward, nor to engender an

Re: [OSM-talk] Adding wikidata tags to the remaining objects with only wikipedia tag

> Wikipedia is based on secondary sources, it rejects original research. > OSM is fundamentally different in that because it is based on > verification by original research. I'm trying to understand this. If I noticed an inception date on a information sign next to a building, is this original

Re: [OSM-talk] Adding wikidata tags to the remaining objects with only wikipedia tag

Christoph, I am not talking about OSM or Wikidata or Wikipedia quality or approaches. Please don't read more into it than what I am trying to state. If we say that we want OSM objects to link to Wikipedia (and we clearly do, judging by the number of wikipedia tags people have created), we need a

Re: [OSM-talk] Adding wikidata tags to the remaining objects with only wikipedia tag

On Sunday 01 October 2017, Yuri Astrakhan wrote: > > Wikipedia created a stable ID system for these pages. Its called > Wikidata. Please view Wikidata as first and foremost a linking system > to Wikipedia articles. [...] > > Andy, you keep saying Wikidata is not verifiable data - but that's >

Re: [Talk-it] Fwd: [OSM-talk] All the subway systems in the world

Ed io che pensavo ci fossero solo una paio di nodi a Roma ... :-) Buon lavoro! Il 30/set/2017 18:52, "Martin Koppenhoefer" ha scritto: > Ilya ha pubblicato i risultati di un nuovo sistema per verificare le metro > del mondo in osm. Questo è il link per lItalia: >

Re: [Talk-it] Import numeri civici Trento

sent from a phone > On 30. Sep 2017, at 19:02, Andrea Musuruane wrote: > > Invece è un problema, ad esempio per il routing perché si perde > l'informazione sull'ingresso. Quindi non puoi sapere da dove si entra (gli > edifici hanno più lati e non sono necessariamente

Re: [talk-au] Qld topo map usable?

I made an enquiry to DNRM about this exactly back in June. The response I got was: We have given consideration to your request and advise that, consistent with Queensland Government policy, our data is provided under a CC:BY 4.0 Licence. The department will not provide the data under an ODbl