Re: [Talk-it] Awesome Italian Public Datasets

[Federico Cortese]

On Sat, Nov 17, 2018 at 4:06 PM Volker Schmidt  wrote:
>
> Solo utilizzabili per import manuale! E con grande cautela :-(
>

Anche dalle mie parti molti errori grossolani. La prima farmacia che
ho controllato è posizionata a circa 80 km di distanza da dove è già
correttamente mappata in OSM.
Ho comunque aggiunto i tag mancanti (ref:vatin e ref:mds) alla
farmacia già mappata.
Sul sistema di validazione ho indicato "not there", ma c'è modo per
indicare dove si trova effettivamente oppure se è già mappata in OSM?

Ciao,
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Re: [OSM-talk] 3rd party API integration

[Oleksiy Muzalyev]

I wrote a web-application which can display either Wikipedia articles of 
any language version, which have got geographical coordinates, or 
Wikidata items, which have got coordinates, or Wikimedia Commons 
categories with coordinates, or OSM objects which have got wikidata=, 
wikipedia=, wikimedia_commons=* tags around a location.


The web-application is available via the link:
http://ausleuchtung.ch/geo_wiki/

It is about twenty file lines of code. All heavy lifting is done by the 
Wikipedia, Wikidata, Wikimedia APIs, or in one word - MediaWiki API, and 
the Overpass API. Click on the map and the geo-markers with the 
corresponding links will appear on the map around the click. With 
Wikimedia API, i.e. with the Wikimedia Commons categories, it sometimes 
may work after a slight delay, as if the API is "asleep" to save energy, 
but as soon as one starts to use it, after about half a minute it works 
fine.


I am thinking of integrating also search of videos with coordinates 
around the click. However, I am not certain yet with videos.


I use this web-application for planning my surveys to see what is there 
at a certain place, which categories I may improve, what Wikidata items 
I may enrich being on the ground, etc.


Best regards,
Oleksiy

On 17.11.18 17:01, Sebastian Kürten wrote:

Hi John,

yes indeed such references are not visible on a rendered map, but that
is true for many kinds of information stored in OSM. As you point out
this is more interesting for other types of data consumers such as
mobile apps. Website links are a great example for linked content as
well. Now that I'm thinking about it, telephone numbers and Wikipedia
references are of a similar type that can be easily used by app users.
I'm just looking for more examples to get an idea of what people are
doing already to connect OSM with other services, especially via APIs.

Thanks,
Sebastian

On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 10:49:28 -0500
John Whelan  wrote:


How would you expect this work?  On a rendered tile I can't see a way
but on an offline version such as osmand you can already link to a
webpage.

Cheerio John

Sebastian Kürten wrote on 2018-11-17 10:28 AM:

Hi,

is anybody aware of 3rd party APIs that are integrated into the OSM
database? An example for what I mean would be a mapped car park
with an API link added as a tag that offers functionality such as
retrieving the number of available parking spots. Another example
would be uic_ref values on railway=station objects or ref:X values
on highway=bus_stop objects which also allow using 3rd party APIs
using these identifiers. Yet another example I already know about
are Wikidata identifiers that allow queries to the Wikidata Query
Service.

Thanks for any input on this,
Sebastian

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Re: [OSM-talk] 3rd party API integration

[Andy Townsend]

I'd imagine there are plenty of examplea that use OSM street name and place 
information to hang other data or queries off.

One example off the top of my head was an application that I was involved with 
a few years ago tracking police "stop and search" requests in London, but there 
are plenty of others.

An easy way to find them is to search for something in OSM that has a spelling 
mistake and see what turns up in a Google search for that misspelling (in 
addition to the OSM object itself).

Best regards,
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From: sebastian.kuer...@fu-berlin.de
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Subject: [OSM-talk] 3rd party API integration


Hi,

is anybody aware of 3rd party APIs that are integrated into the OSM
 database? An example for what I mean would be a mapped car park with an
 API link added as a tag that offers functionality such as retrieving the
 number of available parking spots. Another example would be uic_ref
 values on railway=station objects or ref:X values on highway=bus_stop
 objects which also allow using 3rd party APIs using these identifiers.
 Yet another example I already know about are Wikidata identifiers that
 allow queries to the Wikidata Query Service.

Thanks for any input on this,
 Sebastian

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Re: [Talk-GB] Network tag on railway stations

[Lester Caine]

On 17/11/2018 17:26, Colin Smale wrote:
Surely the infrastructure network is a different concept to the train 
network?

The UK overland railway network is managed and owned by network rail.


How about this for a thought:

For the trains, a network might be linked to a brand; An operator may 
have distinct branding for commuter services, intercity services and 
freight operations giving three different "networks." All the services 
within a network will be integrated in terms of scheduling and other 
planning, whereas coordination with other networks is a whole different 
can of worms. If there is just one big team doing the planning, then 
it's one network. If the planning is done reasonably autonomously, then 
they are different networks.

All investment in the overland rail structure is via Network Rail

Is "London Overground" a separate "network" to the Underground? Is the 
DLR a separate network? Instinctively I would say yes to both of these, 
from both a train service point of view and from an infrastructure point 
of view. Pleased to hear arguments to the contrary though.


There are other networks such as the such as Midland Metro, Dockland 
Light Railway and London Underground as well as other metro/tram 
networks. These tend to be owned and run by local transport authorities. 
Transport for West Midlands for Midlands Metro and TFL Transport for 
London for DLR and London Underground. These manage both the rolling 
stock and the tracks while Network Rail does not actually own any 
rolling stock - as far as I am aware - except perhaps for maintenance 
vehicles, although I would not be surprised if the maintenance companies 
owned them!


So DLT has a network=Transport for London and an operator=Transport for 
London ... in my book. The other metro lines are similarly owned and 
operated.



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Re: [Talk-us] Add street names from TIGER

[Martijn van Exel]

Existing challenges all done :)
Let’s look into some new ones then. If someone wants to set up MSP based on 
existing city or TIGER data, that’d be great. 
Martijn

> On Nov 16, 2018, at 8:00 AM, Martijn van Exel  wrote:
> 
> We’re down to 128 as of just now!
> 
> Any requests for other cities?
> 
> Martijn
> 
>> On Nov 9, 2018, at 3:36 PM, Martijn van Exel > > wrote:
>> 
>> There’s currently a total of 1303 tasks in these challenges
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Re: [Talk-GB] Network tag on railway stations

[Colin Smale]

Surely the infrastructure network is a different concept to the train
network? 

How about this for a thought: 

For the trains, a network might be linked to a brand; An operator may
have distinct branding for commuter services, intercity services and
freight operations giving three different "networks." All the services
within a network will be integrated in terms of scheduling and other
planning, whereas coordination with other networks is a whole different
can of worms. If there is just one big team doing the planning, then
it's one network. If the planning is done reasonably autonomously, then
they are different networks.

Is "London Overground" a separate "network" to the Underground? Is the
DLR a separate network? Instinctively I would say yes to both of these,
from both a train service point of view and from an infrastructure point
of view. Pleased to hear arguments to the contrary though. 

On 2018-11-17 16:17, Lester Caine wrote:

> On 17/11/2018 14:46, David Woolley wrote: On 17/11/18 14:36, Lester Caine 
> wrote: Who operates the station, and who operates on each line accessing that 
> station. The various ID's would help keep this data up to date. 
> You need to distinguish between operating the line and operating services 
> over that line.

On the lines ...
network='operating the line'
operator='operating services over that line'

Stations will also have
operator='station services'

I think 'National Rail' does not fit either of those definitions? So
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Re: [Talk-GB] Network tag on railway stations

[Richard Fairhurst]

TonyS wrote:
> Lot of the obscurity is caused by the contracts from Department 
> For Transport. Merseyrail is both a train operating company 
> and a commuter rail network in and around Liverpool City Region

Indeed, and it's actually even more nuanced than that.

Merseyrail is not a franchise like, say, Chiltern Railways or GWR or Virgin.
It's a concession. In other words, the operation is directed by Merseytravel
(the publicly owned transport authority); day-to-day running is carried out
by the concession holders, Serco/Abellio; and the publicly owned Merseyrail
brand is used.

This means that there is a distinct identity to Merseyrail stations and
services, just as there is with London Overground (the only other such
concession). They are not, primarily, directed by the Department for
Transport.

With this in mind, I agree that network=Merseyrail is entirely justifiable.
(For Lime Street you'd probably want the high-level station as
network=National Rail, the low-level as Merseyrail; for other stations where
non-Merseyrail services also call, you might want semicolon-separated
values.)

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Re: [OSM-talk] 3rd party API integration

[Sebastian Kürten]

Hi John,

yes indeed such references are not visible on a rendered map, but that
is true for many kinds of information stored in OSM. As you point out
this is more interesting for other types of data consumers such as
mobile apps. Website links are a great example for linked content as
well. Now that I'm thinking about it, telephone numbers and Wikipedia
references are of a similar type that can be easily used by app users.
I'm just looking for more examples to get an idea of what people are
doing already to connect OSM with other services, especially via APIs.

Thanks,
Sebastian

On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 10:49:28 -0500
John Whelan  wrote:

> How would you expect this work?  On a rendered tile I can't see a way 
> but on an offline version such as osmand you can already link to a
> webpage.
> 
> Cheerio John
> 
> Sebastian Kürten wrote on 2018-11-17 10:28 AM:
> > Hi,
> >
> > is anybody aware of 3rd party APIs that are integrated into the OSM
> > database? An example for what I mean would be a mapped car park
> > with an API link added as a tag that offers functionality such as
> > retrieving the number of available parking spots. Another example
> > would be uic_ref values on railway=station objects or ref:X values
> > on highway=bus_stop objects which also allow using 3rd party APIs
> > using these identifiers. Yet another example I already know about
> > are Wikidata identifiers that allow queries to the Wikidata Query
> > Service.
> >
> > Thanks for any input on this,
> > Sebastian
> >
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Osmose et les codes UIC

[Jérôme Villafruela]

Le 17/11/2018 à 16:47, Frédéric Rodrigo a écrit :

Osmose utilise ça:
https://ressources.data.sncf.com/explore/dataset/sncf-ter-gtfs/table/
Je ne sais pas ce que ça vaut pour les UIC.

Sur la "plateforme ouverte des données publiques françaises" figure la 
liste des gares (fret & voyageurs). Il s'agit d'un jeu de données 
produit par la SNCF : https://www.data.gouv.fr/fr/datasets/liste-des-gares


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Re: [OSM-talk] 3rd party API integration

[John Whelan]

How would you expect this work?  On a rendered tile I can't see a way 
but on an offline version such as osmand you can already link to a webpage.


Cheerio John

Sebastian Kürten wrote on 2018-11-17 10:28 AM:

Hi,

is anybody aware of 3rd party APIs that are integrated into the OSM
database? An example for what I mean would be a mapped car park with an
API link added as a tag that offers functionality such as retrieving the
number of available parking spots. Another example would be uic_ref
values on railway=station objects or ref:X values on highway=bus_stop
objects which also allow using 3rd party APIs using these identifiers.
Yet another example I already know about are Wikidata identifiers that
allow queries to the Wikidata Query Service.

Thanks for any input on this,
Sebastian

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Osmose et les codes UIC

[Frédéric Rodrigo]

Osmose utilise ça:
https://ressources.data.sncf.com/explore/dataset/sncf-ter-gtfs/table/
Je ne sais pas ce que ça vaut pour les UIC.



Le 17/11/2018 à 16:33, Francois Gouget a écrit :

Le traitement des codes UIC des gares par Osmose est un peu frustrant :

* Osmose se plaint que le code UIC de la gare d'Arcueil-Cachan, 8775867,
   est incorrect. Alors c'est vrai qu'on ne le trouve pas sur beaucoup de
   sites. Tout ce que j'ai pu trouver qui semblerait confirmer qu'il
   s'agit du bon code ce sont ces deux sites:
   - Codes d'oblitération UIC SNCF (Transilien et Grandes Lignes)
 http://aurelienb.pagesperso-orange.fr/HTML/transports/obli_UIC.htm
   - Wikipedia Esperanto et Hongrois !
 https://eo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcueil_-_Cachan_(stacidomo)
 https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gare_d%E2%80%99Arcueil_-_Cachan

   Cela dit, peut-être s'agit-il d'anciens codes qui étaient utilisés du
   temps de la ligne SNCF de Sceaux ? Sont-ils "périmés" ?

* Donc Osmose se plaint que ces codes sont erronés mais le Wiki
   Key:uic_ref n'indique pas où trouver la base open-data qui lui permet
   de l'affirmer ! Pourtant Osmose doit bien s'appuyer sur quelque chose,
   non ?

* Et ensuite Osmose tient absolument à ce que toutes les stations de
   métro aient un code UIC. Mais en ont-elles seulement ? Là encore,
   savoir s'il existe une base open-data qui les recense serait bien
   utile.
   
https://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/#item=7100=13=48.8455=2.3462=3

* Évidemment lorsque l'on active l'item 8051, "gare, intégration
   possible", il n'y a plus personne. Faut-il marque toutes ces gares en
   faux positif ? Cela a-t-il un sens de vouloir que des gares de métro
   aient un code UIC ?
   
https://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/#item=8051=13=48.8455=2.3462=3



Note :

J'ai bien trouvé un fil sur ce sujet mais gmane a perdu le message qui
aurait pû être intéressant.

https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-fr/2014-November/072929.html



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[OSM-talk-fr] Osmose et les codes UIC

[Francois Gouget]

Le traitement des codes UIC des gares par Osmose est un peu frustrant :

* Osmose se plaint que le code UIC de la gare d'Arcueil-Cachan, 8775867, 
  est incorrect. Alors c'est vrai qu'on ne le trouve pas sur beaucoup de 
  sites. Tout ce que j'ai pu trouver qui semblerait confirmer qu'il 
  s'agit du bon code ce sont ces deux sites:
  - Codes d'oblitération UIC SNCF (Transilien et Grandes Lignes)
http://aurelienb.pagesperso-orange.fr/HTML/transports/obli_UIC.htm
  - Wikipedia Esperanto et Hongrois !
https://eo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcueil_-_Cachan_(stacidomo)
https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gare_d%E2%80%99Arcueil_-_Cachan

  Cela dit, peut-être s'agit-il d'anciens codes qui étaient utilisés du 
  temps de la ligne SNCF de Sceaux ? Sont-ils "périmés" ?

* Donc Osmose se plaint que ces codes sont erronés mais le Wiki 
  Key:uic_ref n'indique pas où trouver la base open-data qui lui permet 
  de l'affirmer ! Pourtant Osmose doit bien s'appuyer sur quelque chose, 
  non ?

* Et ensuite Osmose tient absolument à ce que toutes les stations de 
  métro aient un code UIC. Mais en ont-elles seulement ? Là encore, 
  savoir s'il existe une base open-data qui les recense serait bien 
  utile.
  
https://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/#item=7100=13=48.8455=2.3462=3

* Évidemment lorsque l'on active l'item 8051, "gare, intégration 
  possible", il n'y a plus personne. Faut-il marque toutes ces gares en 
  faux positif ? Cela a-t-il un sens de vouloir que des gares de métro 
  aient un code UIC ?
  
https://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/#item=8051=13=48.8455=2.3462=3



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aurait pû être intéressant.

https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-fr/2014-November/072929.html


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[OSM-talk] 3rd party API integration

[Sebastian Kürten]

Hi,

is anybody aware of 3rd party APIs that are integrated into the OSM
database? An example for what I mean would be a mapped car park with an
API link added as a tag that offers functionality such as retrieving the
number of available parking spots. Another example would be uic_ref
values on railway=station objects or ref:X values on highway=bus_stop
objects which also allow using 3rd party APIs using these identifiers.
Yet another example I already know about are Wikidata identifiers that
allow queries to the Wikidata Query Service.

Thanks for any input on this,
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[Talk-GB] Pub dress codes and "no swearing" rules

[Andy Townsend]

 As I write this, I'm sat in a Sam Smith's pub.  As per other Sam Smith's pubs, it has big "no swearing policy" signs inside.  There's one use of "swearing" in OSM, but maybe there's another key I've not noticed?Likewise this pub has an "interesting" dress code (no trainers - but my grubby boots are ok apparently). There's a few uses of "dress_code" in taginfo, but I'm just wondering if I'm missing an obvious alternative key?Best Regards,Andy  ___
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Re: [Talk-GB] Network tag on railway stations

[Lester Caine]

On 17/11/2018 14:46, David Woolley wrote:

On 17/11/18 14:36, Lester Caine wrote:
Who operates the station, and who operates on each line accessing that 
station. The various ID's would help keep this data up to date.


You need to distinguish between operating the line and operating 
services over that line.


On the lines ...
network='operating the line'
operator='operating services over that line'

Stations will also have
operator='station services'

I think 'National Rail' does not fit either of those definitions? So 
network=Network Rail ... or one of the Metro services?


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Re: [Talk-it] Awesome Italian Public Datasets

[Volker Schmidt]

Solo utilizzabili per import manuale! E con grande cautela :-(


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On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 13:56, Ivo Reano  wrote:

> Ho guardato nella zona valli di Lanzo e alcune sono posizionate
> correttamente (Lanzo) altre sono nel centro geometrico dell'area comunale.
> Molto divertente la posizione della farmacia di Mezzenile: all'interno di
> una bellissima faggeta, nella zona più selvaggia, a 200 metri dal sentiero
> più vicino e a oltre due chilometri dalla posizione reale.
> A occhio direi che altri punti sono vicini al reale solo perché il paese
> con la farmacia è in una zona centrale del territorio.
> Quindi anche secondo me i dati sono inutili come georeferenziazione.
>
> Il giorno sab 17 nov 2018 alle ore 12:48 Cascafico Giovanni <
> cascaf...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
>
>> Il giorno sab 17 nov 2018 alle ore 11:18 Cascafico Giovanni <
>> cascaf...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
>>
>>> ... ma, da quel che ricordo, parecchie coord soffrono di geocoding fatto
 su una base povera

>>>
>> ...ciò è evidente per il Molise, ma per farsi un idea della qualità del
>> dataset su scala nazionale,  qui [1] trovate la mappa di audit.
>>
>> Se scegliete "validate the import", vi verranno proposte le circa 1600
>> farmacie (su oltre 15000), che sono quelle intercettate in OSM in un raggio
>> di 120 metri dal relativo punto del dataset. Come ho già scritto, IMHO il
>> dataset non è utlizzabile per un import automatico, ma nemmeno
>> semiautomatico, visto che richiede più di un semplice click per accettare o
>> cassare un POI.
>>
>> Se fossimo nelle condizioni di una copertura Mapillary totale e/o una
>> vasta comunità sul campo, direi che il dataset srebbe utile.
>>
>>
>> [1] http://audit.osmz.ru/project/IT-Pharma/
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Re: [Talk-GB] Network tag on railway stations

[Lester Caine]

On 17/11/2018 10:02, Tony Shield wrote:
Ormskirk is a good case where Merseyrail manage the station - 
essentially the operator in OSM parlance.


I picked Ormskirk is it is the terminus for both Merseyrail and Northern 
services on that line. They terminate here as the Merseyrail line is 
electric and the Northern line is still served by diesel trains. I'm not 
sure today, but certainly originally the break was simply a buffer 
placed on the line ( must be 45 years sinse I was there last ;) ) which 
could be removed at some point to restore through running. Hence the 
suggestion that the line north be tagged with the operator=Northern, but 
as Michael suggested there may well be a case for multiple operator tags 
on the lines.


There is a good catalogue of data on the rail system, but I'm not sure 
it's all suitable to be used. It would be nice to see a 'UK' guide to 
tagging which covers all the options. Who operates the station, and who 
operates on each line accessing that station. The various ID's would 
help keep this data up to date.


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Re: [Talk-GB] Network tag on railway stations

[David Woolley]

In the UK, the rails may be operated by Network Rail, the platform by 
one train operating company and a particular train using that platform, 
by a different train operating company.


When you add rapid transit systems (incidentally, is Merseyrail really 
one of these, rather than part of National Rail?), you can have single 
stations that serve more than one network, where there is only a single 
operator for the whole station.  I believe Queen's Park in London is in 
that category.


On 17/11/18 10:08, Michael Collinson wrote:
Lester's comments look logical from a general perspective: 1 network 
(National Rail), 1+ operators (Merseyrail, Northern, ...). I'd expand a 
bit by saying the it IS possible to have both multiple networks and 
operators at the same transport point (rail/bus station/platform). I 
have local Swedish bus stops with 3+ networks: Stockholm SL 
bus/ferry/subway system, Uppsala UL bus system, private long distance 
networks and then specific operators such as Nobina and Arriva for, at 
least, specific routes with the Stockholm network. Fun.


Mike

On 2018-11-17 10:09, Lester Caine wrote:

On 17/11/2018 07:12, SK53 wrote:
I've just come across a large number of instances of network=Nation 
Rail on stations. Clearly this is a mistake, presumably National Rail 
is intended.


As the station concerned is heavily branded with Merseyrail my first 
instinct was to change the tag to this, but then I wondered if 
National Rail is more useful. Today a network=Merseyrail would be 
more useful to me because I have a day rover for that network.


I wonder what others think, and can we clean up the erroneous name?


Merseyrail is the operator rather than the network. The network is 
owned and managed by Network Rail. National Rail is simply a  club of 
operating companies and includes both Network Rail and Merseyrail. So 
every station should have an operator=xxx and network=Network Rail, 
but they should also have some tag to the other train operators using 
the network through the station if more than 'National Railway' member 
is using it. So Ormskirk Station 
(https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/86878104#map=19/53.56928/-2.88114) 
for example needs an operator=merseyrail and *I* would prefer 
network=Network Rail. The line north should be tagged 
operator=Northern which would at least associate that fact with the 
station, but other stations may have more than one train operator 
using the track. Network Rail and National Rail is probably 
interchangable in the public mind, but freight services use the track 
and is not covered by National Rail, but it's unlike that stations 
like Ormskirk would have that problem ;)


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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Collinstown Townland has been re mapped as Dublin Airport!

[Donal Hunt]

I'm still working on fixing all the layers on www.openstreetmap.ie.
Should have more of them fixed up later today.

I also need to fix up the postgis database updates (it's not currently
updating).

On Sat, 17 Nov 2018, 12:59 Brian Hollinshead  At first look, theses are good, I admire your patience to do this. As both
> maps.openstreetmap.ie and http://maps.openstreetmap.ie/os_opendata are
> displaying a lot of pink (during the changeover?) I will leave a more
> detailed check for the moment. After the townlands and Civil parishes I
> will use the GRO records in National library which for the registration
> districts list the EDs then Civil Parishes in each ED  and then townlands
> in each parish.
>
> On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 at 15:31, Patrick Matthews 
> wrote:
>
> > I have - as far as I can tell - finished repairing the townland, civil
> > parish, barony, PLU and registration district boundaries around Dublin
> > Airport. Can Brian check that they're all OK?
> >
> > Paddy Matthews.
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 6:57 PM Patrick Matthews <
> mullinalag...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I'm not sure if anyone would be able to identify changesets and whether
> > > they could be rolled back to their pre-"redrawing" stage.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 5:50 PM Brian Hollinshead <
> br...@hollinshead.net
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Thanks Paddy,
> > >> I found Belgard Quarry this morning. At least in that case they left
> the
> > >> townland boundaries intact so it could be easier to fix, Is that in
> your
> > >> field of expertise or I am hoping for someone else to kindly offer?
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, 22 Oct 2018 at 15:19, Patrick Matthews <
> mullinalag...@gmail.com
> > >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Looking around last night, something similar seems to have been done
> > at
> > >> the
> > >> > Belgard quarry on the south side of Dublin and looking at the
> relevant
> > >> > relation history it seems to be the same few names who are involved
> in
> > >> > freelance boundary redrawing in both locations. I'm sure there may
> be
> > >> other
> > >> > places where this has gone on but that was the one that I noticed.
> > >> >
> > >> > Paddy Matthews.
> > >> >
> > >> > On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 12:29 PM Brian Hollinshead <
> > >> br...@hollinshead.net>
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > While adding the Malahide Union of parishes to the map which uses
> a
> > >> > > combination of the old civil parish boundaries I find that
> > Collinstown
> > >> > > townland (relation/5436241) has been seriously redrawn if compared
> > to
> > >> the
> > >> > > GSGS 3906 map and maps.openstreetmap.ie. Rorys townlands.ie shows
> > the
> > >> > post
> > >> > > changes state.
> > >> > > It looks as thought someone thought Collinstown Airport was the
> new
> > >> > > townland.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > The border between townland of Forrest Little(relation 5440762)
> and
> > >> > > Clonshaugh, Corballis and Huntstown has been quite altered between
> > >> > > 53.435847/-6.236136 and 53.4316541/-6.2644.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > I believe this also alters some Barony and Superintendent
> Registrars
> > >> > > District boundaries so feel it is highly preferable that these
> > >> changes be
> > >> > > reversed intact.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > I regret this is way above my capability so I ask for someone
> > reading
> > >> > this
> > >> > > to please address this issue.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Thank you for your kindness.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > By the way, Many thanks to those organised such an enthusiastic
> > >> meeting
> > >> > in
> > >> > > Maynooth yesterday, the future looks good.
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Collinstown Townland has been re mapped as Dublin Airport!

[Brian Hollinshead]

At first look, theses are good, I admire your patience to do this. As both
maps.openstreetmap.ie and http://maps.openstreetmap.ie/os_opendata are
displaying a lot of pink (during the changeover?) I will leave a more
detailed check for the moment. After the townlands and Civil parishes I
will use the GRO records in National library which for the registration
districts list the EDs then Civil Parishes in each ED  and then townlands
in each parish.

On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 at 15:31, Patrick Matthews 
wrote:

> I have - as far as I can tell - finished repairing the townland, civil
> parish, barony, PLU and registration district boundaries around Dublin
> Airport. Can Brian check that they're all OK?
>
> Paddy Matthews.
>
> On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 6:57 PM Patrick Matthews 
> wrote:
>
> > I'm not sure if anyone would be able to identify changesets and whether
> > they could be rolled back to their pre-"redrawing" stage.
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 5:50 PM Brian Hollinshead  >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks Paddy,
> >> I found Belgard Quarry this morning. At least in that case they left the
> >> townland boundaries intact so it could be easier to fix, Is that in your
> >> field of expertise or I am hoping for someone else to kindly offer?
> >>
> >> On Mon, 22 Oct 2018 at 15:19, Patrick Matthews  >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Looking around last night, something similar seems to have been done
> at
> >> the
> >> > Belgard quarry on the south side of Dublin and looking at the relevant
> >> > relation history it seems to be the same few names who are involved in
> >> > freelance boundary redrawing in both locations. I'm sure there may be
> >> other
> >> > places where this has gone on but that was the one that I noticed.
> >> >
> >> > Paddy Matthews.
> >> >
> >> > On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 12:29 PM Brian Hollinshead <
> >> br...@hollinshead.net>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > While adding the Malahide Union of parishes to the map which uses a
> >> > > combination of the old civil parish boundaries I find that
> Collinstown
> >> > > townland (relation/5436241) has been seriously redrawn if compared
> to
> >> the
> >> > > GSGS 3906 map and maps.openstreetmap.ie. Rorys townlands.ie shows
> the
> >> > post
> >> > > changes state.
> >> > > It looks as thought someone thought Collinstown Airport was the new
> >> > > townland.
> >> > >
> >> > > The border between townland of Forrest Little(relation 5440762) and
> >> > > Clonshaugh, Corballis and Huntstown has been quite altered between
> >> > > 53.435847/-6.236136 and 53.4316541/-6.2644.
> >> > >
> >> > > I believe this also alters some Barony and Superintendent Registrars
> >> > > District boundaries so feel it is highly preferable that these
> >> changes be
> >> > > reversed intact.
> >> > >
> >> > > I regret this is way above my capability so I ask for someone
> reading
> >> > this
> >> > > to please address this issue.
> >> > >
> >> > > Thank you for your kindness.
> >> > >
> >> > > By the way, Many thanks to those organised such an enthusiastic
> >> meeting
> >> > in
> >> > > Maynooth yesterday, the future looks good.
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Re: [Talk-it] Awesome Italian Public Datasets

[Ivo Reano]

Ho guardato nella zona valli di Lanzo e alcune sono posizionate
correttamente (Lanzo) altre sono nel centro geometrico dell'area comunale.
Molto divertente la posizione della farmacia di Mezzenile: all'interno di
una bellissima faggeta, nella zona più selvaggia, a 200 metri dal sentiero
più vicino e a oltre due chilometri dalla posizione reale.
A occhio direi che altri punti sono vicini al reale solo perché il paese
con la farmacia è in una zona centrale del territorio.
Quindi anche secondo me i dati sono inutili come georeferenziazione.

Il giorno sab 17 nov 2018 alle ore 12:48 Cascafico Giovanni <
cascaf...@gmail.com> ha scritto:

> Il giorno sab 17 nov 2018 alle ore 11:18 Cascafico Giovanni <
> cascaf...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
>
>> ... ma, da quel che ricordo, parecchie coord soffrono di geocoding fatto
>>> su una base povera
>>>
>>
> ...ciò è evidente per il Molise, ma per farsi un idea della qualità del
> dataset su scala nazionale,  qui [1] trovate la mappa di audit.
>
> Se scegliete "validate the import", vi verranno proposte le circa 1600
> farmacie (su oltre 15000), che sono quelle intercettate in OSM in un raggio
> di 120 metri dal relativo punto del dataset. Come ho già scritto, IMHO il
> dataset non è utlizzabile per un import automatico, ma nemmeno
> semiautomatico, visto che richiede più di un semplice click per accettare o
> cassare un POI.
>
> Se fossimo nelle condizioni di una copertura Mapillary totale e/o una
> vasta comunità sul campo, direi che il dataset srebbe utile.
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Re: [Talk-GB] Network tag on railway stations

[Michael Booth]

If you look at the history of some stations, you'll see that about 6 
years ago this was corrected to National Rail but it was reverted soon 
after, e.g. https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1305070561/history 
Clearly "Nation Rail" is wrong so it should be fixed.


Perhaps this could be as part of a project to ensure all the stations 
are properly mapped.  Check that none are missing against the ORR list, 
checking there's no duplicate railway=station tags for the same feature, 
tag the building=train_station, add the operator, 3-letter station ref 
etc., also make sure the use of railway=halt v station is correct.


On 17/11/2018 07:12, SK53 wrote:
I've just come across a large number of instances of network=Nation 
Rail on stations. Clearly this is a mistake, presumably National Rail 
is intended.


As the station concerned is heavily branded with Merseyrail my first 
instinct was to change the tag to this, but then I wondered if 
National Rail is more useful. Today a network=Merseyrail would be more 
useful to me because I have a day rover for that network.


I wonder what others think, and can we clean up the erroneous name?

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Re: [Talk-it] [tagging] Bed e categorie

[Cascafico Giovanni]

Il giorno ven 16 nov 2018 alle ore 16:41 Martin Koppenhoefer <
dieterdre...@gmail.com> ha scritto:

> Am Fr., 16. Nov. 2018 um 16:10 Uhr schrieb Sergio Manzi :
>
>> Mi auguro solo che la Regione Veneto non pubblichi nulla del genere...
>>
> non è detto che dobbiamo importare tutto ciò che qualcuno rende
> disponibile ;-)
>

...a maggior ragione se ci pensa già qualcun altro...
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Re: [Talk-it] Awesome Italian Public Datasets

[Cascafico Giovanni]

Il giorno sab 17 nov 2018 alle ore 11:18 Cascafico Giovanni <
cascaf...@gmail.com> ha scritto:

> ... ma, da quel che ricordo, parecchie coord soffrono di geocoding fatto
>> su una base povera
>>
>
...ciò è evidente per il Molise, ma per farsi un idea della qualità del
dataset su scala nazionale,  qui [1] trovate la mappa di audit.

Se scegliete "validate the import", vi verranno proposte le circa 1600
farmacie (su oltre 15000), che sono quelle intercettate in OSM in un raggio
di 120 metri dal relativo punto del dataset. Come ho già scritto, IMHO il
dataset non è utlizzabile per un import automatico, ma nemmeno
semiautomatico, visto che richiede più di un semplice click per accettare o
cassare un POI.

Se fossimo nelle condizioni di una copertura Mapillary totale e/o una vasta
comunità sul campo, direi che il dataset srebbe utile.


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Re: [Talk-it] Awesome Italian Public Datasets

[Cascafico Giovanni]

non credo che tra wgs84 piutttosto che ed50 ci siano differenze kilometriche

Il giorno sab 17 nov 2018 alle ore 12:36 Volker Schmidt 
ha scritto:

> I'll dataset contiene lat/lon!
>
> On Sat, 17 Nov 2018, 11:19 Cascafico Giovanni 
>> Non è un problema di datum, ne' di proiezione. Evidentemente il  geocoder
>> se non trova housenumber mette in centroide highway e se non trova nemmeno
>> questa, mette nel centroide della city.
>> Non avendo un campo che indichi l'accuratezza, non è nemmeno possibile
>> isolare i pochi record attendibili.
>>
>> Il sab 17 nov 2018, 11:12 Volker Schmidt  ha scritto:
>>
>>> Non ho verificato che sistema di coordinate utilizza. Se utilizza WGS84,
>>> almeno la posizione della "mia" farmacia è sbagliata di tanti km.
>>>
>>>
>>> ... ma, da quel che ricordo, parecchie coord soffrono di geocoding fatto
 su una base povera

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Re: [Talk-it] Awesome Italian Public Datasets

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I'll dataset contiene lat/lon!

On Sat, 17 Nov 2018, 11:19 Cascafico Giovanni  Non è un problema di datum, ne' di proiezione. Evidentemente il  geocoder
> se non trova housenumber mette in centroide highway e se non trova nemmeno
> questa, mette nel centroide della city.
> Non avendo un campo che indichi l'accuratezza, non è nemmeno possibile
> isolare i pochi record attendibili.
>
> Il sab 17 nov 2018, 11:12 Volker Schmidt  ha scritto:
>
>> Non ho verificato che sistema di coordinate utilizza. Se utilizza WGS84,
>> almeno la posizione della "mia" farmacia è sbagliata di tanti km.
>>
>>
>> ... ma, da quel che ricordo, parecchie coord soffrono di geocoding fatto
>>> su una base povera
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Re: [Talk-us] Grand Junction, CO Fire Hydrant Import

[smocktaylor]

I did know that I would have to use usgal/min in the tag for the
import. I would probably add a validator rule to check that tag and
ensure that "usgal/min" is at the end.

Maybe something like this:
*[emergency=fire_hydrant][flow_rate=~/^\d$/][inside("US")] {
throwError: tr("The US flow rate is usually usgal/min");
/* TODO test */
fixAdd: concat("{0.tag}", " usgal/min");
assertMatch: "node emergency=fire_hydrant flow_rate=24000";
assertNoMatch: "node emergency=fire_hydrant flow_rate=\"24000
usgal/min\"";
}
*[emergency=fire_hydrant][flow_rate!~/^.*usgal\/min$/][inside("US")] {
throwError: tr("The US flow rate is usgal/min");
suggestAlternative: tr("Check the flow rate units");
assertMatch: "node emergency=fire_hydrant flow_rate=24000";
assertMatch: "node emergency=fire_hydrant flow_rate=\"24000
gal/min\"";
assertNoMatch: "node emergency=fire_hydrant flow_rate=\"24000
usgal/min\"";
}

I was looking at the fact that the city data apparently has two
different tags, one for when the hydrant is not under pressure, and one
for when the hydrant is under pressure (when being pumped, presumably).

After some consideration, if I have to keep just one, I will probably
keep the flow_rate for when the hydrant is under pressure, since that
roughly conforms with the fire:hydrant:awwa_class.

Also, I've been told that the vast majority of the hydrants were
surveyed, so I would assume that the accuracy is very high for the
actual position (probably within 6 inches).


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Non è un problema di datum, ne' di proiezione. Evidentemente il  geocoder
se non trova housenumber mette in centroide highway e se non trova nemmeno
questa, mette nel centroide della city.
Non avendo un campo che indichi l'accuratezza, non è nemmeno possibile
isolare i pochi record attendibili.

Il sab 17 nov 2018, 11:12 Volker Schmidt  ha scritto:

> Non ho verificato che sistema di coordinate utilizza. Se utilizza WGS84,
> almeno la posizione della "mia" farmacia è sbagliata di tanti km.
>
>
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Re: [Talk-it] Awesome Italian Public Datasets

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Non ho verificato che sistema di coordinate utilizza. Se utilizza WGS84,
almeno la posizione della "mia" farmacia è sbagliata di tanti km.


... ma, da quel che ricordo, parecchie coord soffrono di geocoding fatto su
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Re: [Talk-GB] Network tag on railway stations

[Michael Collinson]

Lester's comments look logical from a general perspective: 1 network 
(National Rail), 1+ operators (Merseyrail, Northern, ...). I'd expand a 
bit by saying the it IS possible to have both multiple networks and 
operators at the same transport point (rail/bus station/platform). I 
have local Swedish bus stops with 3+ networks: Stockholm SL 
bus/ferry/subway system, Uppsala UL bus system, private long distance 
networks and then specific operators such as Nobina and Arriva for, at 
least, specific routes with the Stockholm network. Fun.


Mike

On 2018-11-17 10:09, Lester Caine wrote:

On 17/11/2018 07:12, SK53 wrote:
I've just come across a large number of instances of network=Nation 
Rail on stations. Clearly this is a mistake, presumably National Rail 
is intended.


As the station concerned is heavily branded with Merseyrail my first 
instinct was to change the tag to this, but then I wondered if 
National Rail is more useful. Today a network=Merseyrail would be 
more useful to me because I have a day rover for that network.


I wonder what others think, and can we clean up the erroneous name?


Merseyrail is the operator rather than the network. The network is 
owned and managed by Network Rail. National Rail is simply a  club of 
operating companies and includes both Network Rail and Merseyrail. So 
every station should have an operator=xxx and network=Network Rail, 
but they should also have some tag to the other train operators using 
the network through the station if more than 'National Railway' member 
is using it. So Ormskirk Station 
(https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/86878104#map=19/53.56928/-2.88114) 
for example needs an operator=merseyrail and *I* would prefer 
network=Network Rail. The line north should be tagged 
operator=Northern which would at least associate that fact with the 
station, but other stations may have more than one train operator 
using the track. Network Rail and National Rail is probably 
interchangable in the public mind, but freight services use the track 
and is not covered by National Rail, but it's unlike that stations 
like Ormskirk would have that problem ;)


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Re: [Talk-GB] Network tag on railway stations

[David Woolley]

On 17/11/18 09:09, Lester Caine wrote:

The line north should be tagged operator=Northern


My understanding is that all tracks used for public rail services (but 
not metropolitan rapid transit systems), in the UK, are operated by 
Network Rail.  The train operating companies only operate the actual 
trains and many of the stations.


Certainly it is Network Rail that commissions all track and trackside 
maintenance.


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Re: [Talk-GB] Network tag on railway stations

[Tony Shield]

Lot of the obscurity is caused by the contracts from Department For 
Transport. Wikipedia - *Merseyrail* is both a train operating company 
 (TOC) and a 
commuter rail 
 
network in and around Liverpool City Region 
.


Ormskirk is a good case where Merseyrail manage the station - 
essentially the operator in OSM parlance.


Liverpool Lime Street is managed by Network Rail - the company which 
owns the track and stations, and trains belonging to Merseyrail, 
Northern, Virgin, Est Midlands Trains and West Midlands Trains operate 
from here. It is also part of the Merseyrail Network (Wirral Line and 
City Line operated by Northern). OSM presently has Liverpool Lime Street 
as network=National Rail and  operator=National Rail.


In my view the OSM operator is the company which manages the station, 
the network for most stations in Merseyside is merseyrail, however if 
OSM allows there needs to be the ability to have several entries for 
network so allow for those train companies which operate from there. 
However maintenance then becomes an issue.


Another view is that as all of these stations in Merseyrail are part of 
the National Rail network and tickets are valid within and without the 
Merseyrail system the question becomes murky.


As Merseyrail is such a strong brand running to 2028 I think that 
network=Merseyrail is valid for Liverpool Lime Street, Ormskirk and 
stations served solely by Merseyrail .


Regards

Tony Shield (TonyS999)


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Re: [Talk-it] Awesome Italian Public Datasets

[Cascafico Giovanni]

Se volete date un occhio, poco tempo fa avevo abbozzato un audit per il
Molise [1].
Ora io son sul smartphone ma, da quel che ricordo, parecchie coord soffrono
di geocoding fatto su una base povera di addr.
IMHO qs dataset non è poi così "awesome".


[1] http://audit.osmz.ru/project/PHARMA-Molise/

Il sab 17 nov 2018, 09:51 Martin Koppenhoefer  ha
scritto:

>
>
> sent from a phone
>
> > On 16. Nov 2018, at 17:00, mbranco2  wrote:
> >
> > ho provato ad es. a scaricarmi la tabella delle Farmacie (licenza IODL
> v2.0) : ce ne sono 20.222, e sono pure georeferenziate
>
>
> se sono georeferenziate dobbiamo stare attenti, solitamente la PA italiana
> l’ha fatto con google (al meno in passato), il ciò lo rendeva
> inutilizzabile per osm.
>
> Ciao, Martin
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Re: [Talk-GB] Network tag on railway stations

[Lester Caine]

On 17/11/2018 07:12, SK53 wrote:
I've just come across a large number of instances of network=Nation Rail 
on stations. Clearly this is a mistake, presumably National Rail is 
intended.


As the station concerned is heavily branded with Merseyrail my first 
instinct was to change the tag to this, but then I wondered if National 
Rail is more useful. Today a network=Merseyrail would be more useful to 
me because I have a day rover for that network.


I wonder what others think, and can we clean up the erroneous name?


Merseyrail is the operator rather than the network. The network is owned 
and managed by Network Rail. National Rail is simply a  club of 
operating companies and includes both Network Rail and Merseyrail. So 
every station should have an operator=xxx and network=Network Rail, but 
they should also have some tag to the other train operators using the 
network through the station if more than 'National Railway' member is 
using it. So Ormskirk Station 
(https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/86878104#map=19/53.56928/-2.88114) 
for example needs an operator=merseyrail and *I* would prefer 
network=Network Rail. The line north should be tagged operator=Northern 
which would at least associate that fact with the station, but other 
stations may have more than one train operator using the track. Network 
Rail and National Rail is probably interchangable in the public mind, 
but freight services use the track and is not covered by National Rail, 
but it's unlike that stations like Ormskirk would have that problem ;)


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Re: [Talk-it] Awesome Italian Public Datasets

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 16. Nov 2018, at 17:00, mbranco2  wrote:
> 
> ho provato ad es. a scaricarmi la tabella delle Farmacie (licenza IODL v2.0) 
> : ce ne sono 20.222, e sono pure georeferenziate


se sono georeferenziate dobbiamo stare attenti, solitamente la PA italiana l’ha 
fatto con google (al meno in passato), il ciò lo rendeva inutilizzabile per osm.

Ciao, Martin 
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