Re: [talk-ph] Historical OSM

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

On Wed, Nov 1, 2023 at 2:05 PM Jim Morgan  wrote:

> I was just curious to look at the OSM map for Manila from 2007 when I
> started mapping. Is there a way to display this? Some sort of OSM
> time-machine?
>
> I looked around but didn't find anything useful, except for someone
> suggesting to take a planet dump from that time, and render it in my own
> mapping server. Probably possible, but a little more effort than I was
> hoping for!
>

There used to be the website OSM Then and Now created by Martijn van Exel
that showed OSM data as of early 2008 compared to now, but it's now
offline: https://github.com/mvexel/thenandnow

There isn't a readily available solution now except to roll your own.

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[talk-ph] Proposal to move talk-ph to OSM Discourse

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Hello all,

How do people here think about deprecating the use of the talk-ph mailing
list and start using PH-tagged threads in the OSM Discourse site?
https://community.openstreetmap.org

To give some examples, here are threads tagged for the German community:
https://community.openstreetmap.org/c/communities/de/

And here are the threads tagged for the United States community:
https://community.openstreetmap.org/c/communities/us/

Supposedly, talk-ph is the "official" communications channel for the PH
community but this mailing list barely has any posts in the past few years.

One advantage of OSM Discourse is that it's tied to OSM accounts and can
still be accessed via email (so it won't alienate people who prefer email).

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Re: [Talk-transit] [OSM-talk] Automated Populate/Update Problem

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Hi,

I work for the state transport department
>

Sorry if I missed this somewhere, but which state and which country?
Depending on the answer, there might be a local community that can help and
provide guidance as well with the conflation/import process.

Thanks,
Eugene


On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 3:24 PM rob potter  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I work for the state transport department and we are looking to become an
> active member of the community and as a first dataset we have focused on is
> our public transport stops, bus and tram initially and then stations.
>
> I would like your advice on how to achieve the outcome.
>
> There are a number of considerations:
>
>
>- Currently in the state there are ~9,100 highway:bus_stop
>   - our GTFS - stops.txt has ~27,000 stops
>   - the current accuracy of highway:bus_stop needs review.
>   - stops.txt location appears to be of a much better quality
>
> My initial thought was extract current, match data location, enrich what
> stops.txt has then create all new and remove existing as final step.
>
> I would guess there are people screaming NO!! if so, please advise of
> a viable way of making such a significant
>
> Regards,
>
> Rob
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[talk-ph] Mapping of proposed highways and railways

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Hi!

I have noticed that some mappers seem to want to map proposed highways and
railways even if they are just proposals for now. An example is the LRT
Line 6 East Extension which goes from GMA, Cavite to Santa Rosa, Laguna.
See the following relation history:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/14775619/history

Following the on the ground principle of OSM, I think we should only be
mapping proposed infrastructure when the alignment is already fixed, and
right-of-way acquisition is ongoing. Otherwise, especially in the case of
railways, adding a bunch of proposed stations, lines, stop positions, and
similar objects is just clutter and would likely be confused or glued to
existing features such as buildings by other mappers.

I've discussed this topic in the OSM PH Telegram group and several mappers
have agreed with this sentiment and no opposition.

Any other thoughts?

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Re: [OSM-talk] Automated Populate/Update Problem

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Hi,

I work for the state transport department
>

Sorry if I missed this somewhere, but which state and which country?
Depending on the answer, there might be a local community that can help and
provide guidance as well with the conflation/import process.

Thanks,
Eugene


On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 3:24 PM rob potter  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I work for the state transport department and we are looking to become an
> active member of the community and as a first dataset we have focused on is
> our public transport stops, bus and tram initially and then stations.
>
> I would like your advice on how to achieve the outcome.
>
> There are a number of considerations:
>
>
>- Currently in the state there are ~9,100 highway:bus_stop
>   - our GTFS - stops.txt has ~27,000 stops
>   - the current accuracy of highway:bus_stop needs review.
>   - stops.txt location appears to be of a much better quality
>
> My initial thought was extract current, match data location, enrich what
> stops.txt has then create all new and remove existing as final step.
>
> I would guess there are people screaming NO!! if so, please advise of
> a viable way of making such a significant
>
> Regards,
>
> Rob
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Re: [talk-ph] City node location

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

I prefer the placing the node at the poblacion and specifically at the town
plaza if possible and not at the city/town hall. The exception would be if
there's no obvious plaza or if there's a very economically significant
business district that has supplanted the poblacion in importance (e.g.,
Makati CBD vs. Makati's poblacion).

On Thu, Jan 27, 2022, 4:36 AM Jherome Miguel, 
wrote:

> Just came up after the Las Piñas and Parañaque nodes were moved, where
> should city or municipality nodes be located again? For the two, I'll
> insist on a Poblacion location, as there isn't some better location
> especially in such a heavily suburbanized location.
>
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Re: [talk-ph] Sloped Borders

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

I think mapping fault lines is already a challenge. While the fault line is
a line on the ground, it really slopes underground.

On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 12:53 PM Jim Morgan  wrote:

>  From the consistently entertaining XKCD:
>
> https://xkcd.com/2519/
>
> Jim
>
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[talk-ph] 17-hour global mapathon to celebrate OSM's 17th anniversary

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Hello all!

This weekend, OpenStreetMap would be 17 years old! To celebrate this
milestone, the Local Chapters and Communities Working Group (LCCWG) of the
OpenStreetMap Foundation (OSMF) is organizing a 17-hour global mapathon on
August 8th, Sunday.

17 local communities will each host 1 hour of the mapathon and the PH
community will be the host for the 2nd hour starting at 12:00pm Philippine
Time. The theme for the Philippines' hour is mapping schools as part of the
ongoing OSMaPaaralan project.

More information about the 17-hour global mapathon on the OSM Wiki:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/OSM_17-hour_Global_Mapathon

See you there!

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Re: [talk-ph] On legally defined LGU boundaries and recent land developments

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

I don't think we can have any definitive solution here. People will
interact with the LGU of their preference or practicality despite what
boundaries on paper or laws state.

Long-time OSM mapper Rally have plenty of stories regarding people choosing
Taytay vs. Cainta.

My personal preference is to go with what laws state in absence of any
additional info. (Note that laws creating or converting LGUs almost always
have a "disclaimer" about boundary disputes.) Next in preference is a
variation of the "on-the-ground" rule: check what residents consider their
LGUs to be: where they vote, which LGUs they get their cedulas, or register
their businesses in, or file real estate taxes, etc.

~Eugene

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> In light of previous incidents where there have been attempts to shoehorn
> some land developments (usually subdivisions or planned developments) into
> one LGU (usually a city or municipality, or a barangay) where legally it
> straddles two or more, e.g. the CCP Complex between Manila and Pasay, The
> Glens at Park Spring between San Pedro and Dasmariñas, I would want to
> start a discussion about dealing with legally-defined LGU boundaries where
> there have been a recent development built above it. I'm noticing there has
> been a tendency to place a certain land development across a long-existing
> legal boundary within one LGU, and I also admit I had that temptation in
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Re: [talk-ph] Your final say on the proposed road classification scheme

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

HI Jherome,

I forgot to add, I think we should also include tagging the official legal
classifications of roads using the "designation" key:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:designation

I think we can have the following values: "expressway", "national",
"provincial", "city", "municipal", and "barangay". We might also need to
break down the "national" value into "national_primary",
"national_secondary", and "national_tertiary" following the DPWH classes.

~Eugene

On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 5:02 AM Jherome Miguel 
wrote:

> Hi, everyone,
>
> It's been a month since the last discussion on road classifications, that
> time regarding special considerations for major roads within certain
> islands as well as missing road links and bypass/diversion roads under
> construction. Now, I'll be presenting the final version of the proposal at
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Philippines/Mapping_conventions/Roads/Classification
> .
>
> Summary of the proposed guidelines:
> - Motorway = Expressways (HSH-1 standard)
> - Trunk = highways between large cities; HSH-2 expressways (none existing
> yet). In large urban areas composed of many large cities like Manila or
> Cebu, should be applied sparingly and limited to primary through routes
> across the area that are not expressways and connect with longer trunk
> routes. Trunk routes should generally be moved to bypasses where they exist.
> - Primary = highways between small cities, large municipalities and
> provincial capitals that are neither cities or large municipalities; major
> arterials in urban context.
> - Secondary = highways between medium-sized municipalities; minor
> arterials in urban context.
> - Tertiary = roads between small municipalities and most barangays;
> collector roads in urban context.
> - Unclassified = other local roads that are not residential in nature;
> other smaller roads connecting sitios and puroks in rural areas
> - Residential = residential streets
> - Track = farm or forestry tracks
> - Service = driveways, parking lot roads, alleys, emergency median
> openings on expressways
>
> Some factors that can affect choice of classification are:
>
> - administrative designation
> - connectivity
> - existing network topology (particularly relevant in small islands where
> there are few major roads)
> - function (expressway, major/minor arterial, collector, local)
> - physical qualities (no. of lanes, shoulders, road width, presence of
> median/center island)
> - sizes of settlements served
>
> I want anyone's final say here before we can adopt them as guidelines in
> our main mapping convention page.
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[talk-ph] Interview of David Garcia by UC Science Radio

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Hello all!

As you may know, our fellow mapmaker and OSM mapper David Garcia is
currently pursuing his PhD in Aotearoa New Zealand. He was recently
interviewed by UC Science Radio, a science outreach program of the
University of Canterbury, to talk about OSM and de-colonializing the
practice of mapmaking.

Listen to the 12-minute interview here:
https://www.canterbury.ac.nz/science/outreach/uc-science-radio/season-2/s2ep7-david/

Alternatively, you can read the transcript:
https://www.canterbury.ac.nz/science/outreach/uc-science-radio/season-2/s2ep7-david/s2e7-transcript/

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Re: [talk-ph] RFC - Proposed mapping guidelines for roads (classifications, names)

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

I don't see the logic of downgrading trunk roads merely because there is a
parallel expressway. Our expressways are toll=yes roads and if these
expressways did not exist, then these trunk roads would correctly be tagged
as highway=trunk. I think that we disregard the existence of
highway=motorway roads for the purposes of classifying the rest of the road
network. Many people for various reasons want to avoid going through toll
roads and having highway=trunk roads as an indicator of suitable alternate
routes is important.

On Thu, Mar 4, 2021 at 4:51 AM Jherome Miguel 
wrote:

> Continuing on, I raised this unanswered question about downgrading trunks
> where significantly bypassed by a parallel expressway (unless it has a
> significant section resembling an expressway as in proposal). I thinking of
> doing that for these road segments currently tagged trunk.
>
> - National Highway/Maharlika Highway/Manila South Road (Route 1,
> Muntinlupa-Calamba-STAR Santo Tomas exit) — bypassed by SLEX
> - JP Laurel Highway/Manila-Batangas Road (Route 4, Santo Tomas-Batangas
> City) — bypassed by STAR Tollway
> - MacArthur Highway (Route 1, Caloocan-Tabang, Guiguinto) — bypassed by
> NLEX
> - Osmeña Highway (Route 145) and Quirino Avenue (Route 140, Roxas
> Boulevard-Osmeña Highway) — bypassed by Skyway
> — Olongapo-San Fernando-Gapan Road/Jose Abad Santos Avenue (Route 3,
> Dinalupihan Junction-Olongapo) — bypassed by SCTEX
> — Manila North Road (Route 2, TPLEX Urdaneta exit-Kennon Road)
>
> (for future downgrades, once new parallel expressway under construction
> opens. Might need some discussion)
>
> — Aguinaldo Highway (Route 62/419, Bacoor-Dasma-Tagaytay) — to be bypassed
> by CALAX. Will also downgrade all the remaining trunks in Cavite.
> — Antero Soriano Highway/Centennial Road/Tanza-Trece Martires Road (Route
> 64, Kawit-Tanza-Trece Martires) — to be bypassed by CALAX. Will also
> downgrade all the remaining trunks in Cavite.
> — Governor’s Drive (Route 65, Dasma-Biñan) — to be bypassed by CALAX.
> Will also downgrade all the remaining trunks in Cavite.
> — Tarlac-Santa Rosa Road (Route 58) — to be bypassed by CLLEX (downgrade
> to be done once whole Tarlac City-Cabanatuan route is opened)
>
> Beside that, I’ll prepare maps (for Luzon, Metro Manila, Panay, Negros,
> Cebu, Samar and Leyte, and Mindanao) of routes to be classified trunk
> using the proposed criteria. There is a significant need to rationalize the
> trunk networks, especially in the less populated islands or regions.
> From there, we go on to determine the primaries and so on. I’ll also post a 
> list
> of major roads and their proposed future classifications (to be divided by
> region and province) on the wiki. Any further comment or feedback is
> welcome here or on the wiki.
>
> On Tue, Mar 2, 2021 at 11:54 AM Jherome Miguel 
> wrote:
>
>> For names, I agree there is a problem. Posted road name can be
>> inconsistent across different jurisdictions or even within the same
>> jurisdiction. That’s the reason we need to review how we map street names
>> (we rely too much on road signs). There’s a lot of instances the road signs
>> omit suffixes (especially “Street/St”) while the addresses use the full
>> name. We seem to forget a road’s name= is also used for addr:street=.
>>
>> The main point behind the proposed guidelines is to better align PH
>> practice with global tagging practices. We have a road classification
>> system that  is too watered down and is somewhat only appropriate to urban
>> areas. Our practice on naming roads had rather preferred short names to
>> reduce clutter and deter mappers who abbreviate them, but that somewhat
>> raises issues about mapping for the renderer (whether to keep, abbreviate
>> or remove street name affixes is up to them), plus, we’ve got into the
>> problem of relying too much on street signs, forgetting some roads have no
>> names posted on any official road sign and the name verifiable from asking
>> locals or finding posted addresses, and addresses posted on business signs
>> (or even their ads, business cards and things) should be used as sources as
>> well.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 2, 2021 at 4:09 AM Michael Cole  wrote:
>>
>>> We have a problem with names even 1 way streets, real law vs locality.
>>> And i live in poblacion mkt, mmda break the actual law, who is correct? Do
>>> we take the word of corodiles over the country or.enforce the law and get
>>> people.arrested fined illegally?
>>>
>>> My 2 cents ..
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 2, 2021, 1:23 PM Jherome Miguel, 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi all,

 After somewhat slow progress to gather ideas and feedback for a new
 road classification scheme, I finally decided to write the final version of
 the new tagging scheme at:
 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Philippines/Mapping_conventions/Roads
 (see “Classification” section)

 The proposal is planned to replace those at
 

[talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] OSMF 2021 Survey is activated: please take the survey!

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Hello OSM Philippines!

I would like to invite you to answer the 2021 OSM community survey that we
in the OSM Foundation Board have put together. We want to know what the
community thinks about what the Foundation did last year and what do you
think the Foundation should focus on for this year and in the future.

Thanks!
Eugene
OSM Foundation Board member

-- Forwarded message -
From: Allan Mustard 
Date: Sun, Jan 17, 2021, 10:52 AM
Subject: [OSM-talk] OSMF 2021 Survey is activated: please take the survey!
To: OpenStreetMap talk mailing list 


The 2021 OSMF Survey of the OSM community has been activated.  It will be
open for participation until February 14th.  Please surf to the following
URLs to register for the survey.  You will receive an email in return with
a single-use token that can be used to take the survey.

Please be aware that the Japanese, Persian (Farsi), and Turkish
translations are 100% machine translations, via DeepL (Japanese) and
Microsoft Translator (Persian and Turkish).  I apologize in advance for any
mistakes, since these are languages I do not know, and I could not find
volunteer translators to edit and correct the machine translations.  There
will be errors, but I hope not serious mistranslations that make the survey
impossible to understand.

Please amplify this message throughout the OSM community--spread the word!
Please use your preferred communications channels to encourage everyone in
the OSM community worldwide to participate in this survey!  I thank you in
advance for that.

English (Base language):
https://osmf.limequery.org/281662?lang=en

Chinese (Traditional; Taiwan):
https://osmf.limequery.org/281662?lang=zh-Hant-TW

French:
https://osmf.limequery.org/281662?lang=fr

German:
https://osmf.limequery.org/281662?lang=de

Japanese:
https://osmf.limequery.org/281662?lang=ja

Korean:
https://osmf.limequery.org/281662?lang=ko

Persian:
https://osmf.limequery.org/281662?lang=fa

Polish:
https://osmf.limequery.org/281662?lang=pl

Portuguese (Brazilian):
https://osmf.limequery.org/281662?lang=pt-BR

Russian:
https://osmf.limequery.org/281662?lang=ru

Spanish:
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Turkish:
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Re: [talk-ph] ICYMI: Pista ng Mapa 2020 is starting tomorrow!

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Hello all,

Day 2 of the Pista ng Mapa 2020 is starting in 45 minutes.

You can watch the proceedings on YouTube here:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBK_Xl0waWLv--GpvrcTzVQ/live

Questions can be posted on the video live chat log.

If ever you want to watch the Day 1 presentations, check out the following
YouTube playlist:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_Y0WtqwYrIjgOMn5xWV_uXABcEHxoOi_

~Eugene

On Thu, Nov 12, 2020, 11:08 PM Eugene Alvin Villar, 
wrote:

> Hello all!
>
> To celebrate OSM+Geography Awareness Week this November, the OSM and
> OSGeo/FOSS4G community in the Philippines is holding the 2nd annual Pista
> ng Mapa (Festival of Maps) conference online for the next three Fridays, on
> November 13th, 20th, and 27th: https://pistangmapa.github.io/2020/
>
> There are plenty of OSM-related talks over the 3 Fridays including from
> Mapillary, TomTom (about MapRoulette), HOT, Mapbox, Facebook (about RapiD),
> and Grab. You can see the complete programme here:
> https://pistangmapa.github.io/2020/programme/
>
> We'll be streaming the sessions live on YouTube. You can follow and watch
> the Day 1 livestream starting at 0600 UTC here:
> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBK_Xl0waWLv--GpvrcTzVQ/live
>
> Regards, on behalf of the organizing team
> Eugene
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[talk-ph] Lupang Arenda collab from the point-of-view of Mapbox

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Maning wrote on the Mapbox blog about how a routine review of edits in
OpenStreetMap led to a massive collaboration to map Lupang Arenda in
Taytay, Rizal and training barangay staff to use open mapping technologies
and tools.

https://www.mapbox.com/blog/unpredictable-global-connections-to-map-a-philippine-village
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[OSM-talk] Pista ng Mapa 2020: open mapping conference in the Philippines starts tomorrow

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Hello all!

To celebrate OSM+Geography Awareness Week, the OSM and OSGeo/FOSS4G
community in the Philippines is holding the 2nd annual Pista ng Mapa
(Festival of Maps) conference online for the next three Fridays, on
November 13th, 20th, and 27th: https://pistangmapa.github.io/2020/

There are plenty of OSM-related talks over the 3 Fridays including from
Mapillary, TomTom (about MapRoulette), HOT, Mapbox, Facebook (about RapiD),
and Grab. You can see the complete programme here:
https://pistangmapa.github.io/2020/programme/

We'll be streaming the sessions live on YouTube. You can follow and watch
the Day 1 livestream starting at 0600 UTC here:
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Regards, on behalf of the organizing team
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[talk-ph] ICYMI: Pista ng Mapa 2020 is starting tomorrow!

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Hello all!

To celebrate OSM+Geography Awareness Week this November, the OSM and
OSGeo/FOSS4G community in the Philippines is holding the 2nd annual Pista
ng Mapa (Festival of Maps) conference online for the next three Fridays, on
November 13th, 20th, and 27th: https://pistangmapa.github.io/2020/

There are plenty of OSM-related talks over the 3 Fridays including from
Mapillary, TomTom (about MapRoulette), HOT, Mapbox, Facebook (about RapiD),
and Grab. You can see the complete programme here:
https://pistangmapa.github.io/2020/programme/

We'll be streaming the sessions live on YouTube. You can follow and watch
the Day 1 livestream starting at 0600 UTC here:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBK_Xl0waWLv--GpvrcTzVQ/live

Regards, on behalf of the organizing team
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[talk-ph] Mini mapping activation for Typhoon Rolly (Goni)

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Hello all,

MapBeks, together with the Ministry of Mapping, MapaDatos, and Mental
Health AWhereness, has created two HOT Tasking Manager projects to help map
residential landuse areas in a few provinces affected by Typhoon Rolly.
These projects will not focus on mapping buildings, but mapping landuse
areas is still beneficial to pinpoint places where people live.

https://tasks.hotosm.org/projects/9722 - Quezon
https://tasks.hotosm.org/projects/9723 - Camarines Sur and Albay

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[talk-ph] [MapBeks] Invitation to UNMAPPEDPH: The Largest Philippine OSM Competition

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Hello all,

I'm forwarding this announcement from MapBeks to the list.
__

Greetings!

We would like to cordially invite you to MapBeks' #UNMAPPED PH Mapping
competition in celebration of this year's GEO Month!

We will be opening this weekly mapping event for all newbie and expert
OSM contributors that are based in the Philippines. The target areas
will be the most unmapped towns in Mindanao and weekly winners will
have the chance to win up to P2,500.00 in cash.

Register your OSM id at: bit.ly/unmappedphcontest20

We will be sending updates via Facebook (fb.com/mapbeks) or through
email via registration link. Feel free to reach out to
mapb...@gmail.com for inquiries or message us through FB Messenger. We
can also help in training beginners how to contribute to OSM, how to
use the HOT Tasking Manager, or learn how to use JOSM to better prep
you for the contest!

We will be both checking quantity and quality to identify the weekly
winners.

See you soon and more power!

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Re: [talk-ph] Help fix the road network in the Philippines with MapRoulette challenges

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Hi Andrew,

Please refer to the following three tasks (note that I have already fixed
these, but the history/data should still be accessible in MapRoulette):
https://maproulette.org/challenge/14203/task/62821584
https://maproulette.org/challenge/14203/task/62821585
https://maproulette.org/challenge/14203/task/62821586

These three tasks all have the same instructions: "Duplicate Highway found
for way id 245363417. Overlapping way id(s) 245363412."

The instructions are the same because they each refer to different
overlapping segments (a line segment between two nodes) of the same two
ways, but with different pairs of endpoint nodes.

It would be great for future overlapping ways challenges if these can be
combined into just one task. But as noted by Erwin, it is okay if the task
generation process remains the same (especially if it makes it too
complicated on Apple's side) because we can use MapRoulette's multi-task
widget to select these and work on them all at once. So please consider my
suggestion as a nice-to-have and not as a must-have.

Thanks!
Eugene



On Fri, Oct 2, 2020 at 2:40 AM Andrew Wiseman 
wrote:

> Hi Eugene and Erwin,
>
> Thanks for the feedback and the tips for doing multiple tasks at once!
> Eugene, can you share an example task or two that are duplicated, I can
> share them with our team to see if we can adjust the outputs going forward.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Andrew
>
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>
> On Oct 1, 2020, at 6:26 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar  wrote:
>
> Hi Erwin,
>
> Thanks for the tip! I never did bother to look at the layout customization
> feature. I've now taken a look at the multi-task widget and I agree that
> this would make working on the overlapping ways challenge faster.
>
> Regards,
> Eugene
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 3:26 PM Erwin Olario  wrote:
>
>>
>> It's actually possible to work on multiple tasks [0] on MapRoulette for
>> the same challenge without having to make any changes on how the challenges
>> are made
>>
>> You only need to edit your layout and then select the multiple tasks [3]
>> as a "bundle." The only caveat here is that if you need to change the
>> individual status of the tasks (e.g. one is fixed, another is too hard),
>> you need to unbundle them and set then individually. Otherwise, a  task
>> status change is applied to the whole bundle.
>>
>> This is very useful when tasks are in the same vicinity, and it's more
>> practical to work on some of them at the same time.
>>
>> [0]:
>> https://github.com/osmlab/maproulette3/wiki/Solving-Multiple-Tasks-Together
>>
>>
>>
>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>> » email: erwin@ *n**gnu**it**y**.xyz*
>> <http://ngnuity.net/> | gov...@gmail.com
>> » mobile: https://t.me/GOwin
>> » OpenPGP key: 3A93D56B | 5D42 7CCB 8827 9046 1ACB 0B94 63A4 81CE 3A93
>> D56B
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 8:19 AM Eugene Alvin Villar 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Andrew,
>>>
>>> Thank you again for providing these MapRoulette challenges. I've been
>>> going through some of these and I do have one feedback regarding the
>>> overlapping ways challenge which I hope can be improved on in the future.
>>> Right now, if there are two roads that are overlapping each other, a
>>> MapRoulette task is created for each segment that those two ways overlap.
>>> Fixing one task is quite simple but then it results in a lot of clicking in
>>> MapRoulette to mark the adjacent tasks as fixed as well. It would be nice
>>> if these adjacent tasks could be merged into just one MR task showing the
>>> whole extent of the overlap.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Eugene
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 2:39 AM Andrew Wiseman via talk-ph <
>>> talk-ph@openstreetmap.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>
>>>> This is Andrew again from Apple. I wanted to let everyone know that we
>>>> just updated the MapRoulette challenges related to road network issues in
>>>> the Philippines with new OSM data.
>>>>
>>>> You can find all of the challenges in this MapRoulette project:
>>>> https://maproulette.org/browse/projects/39286 and they include things
>>>> like overly sharp road angles, roads that cross but aren’t connected, roads
>>>> that aren’t connected to anything, overlapping roads, turn restrictions,
>>>> roads that are close but not connected to others, and other similar issues.
>>>> I plan to work on some o

Re: [talk-ph] Help fix the road network in the Philippines with MapRoulette challenges

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Hi Erwin,

Thanks for the tip! I never did bother to look at the layout customization
feature. I've now taken a look at the multi-task widget and I agree that
this would make working on the overlapping ways challenge faster.

Regards,
Eugene


On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 3:26 PM Erwin Olario  wrote:

>
> It's actually possible to work on multiple tasks [0] on MapRoulette for
> the same challenge without having to make any changes on how the challenges
> are made
>
> You only need to edit your layout and then select the multiple tasks [3]
> as a "bundle." The only caveat here is that if you need to change the
> individual status of the tasks (e.g. one is fixed, another is too hard),
> you need to unbundle them and set then individually. Otherwise, a  task
> status change is applied to the whole bundle.
>
> This is very useful when tasks are in the same vicinity, and it's more
> practical to work on some of them at the same time.
>
> [0]:
> https://github.com/osmlab/maproulette3/wiki/Solving-Multiple-Tasks-Together
>
>
>
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> » email: erwin@ *n**gnu**it**y**.xyz*
> <http://ngnuity.net/> | gov...@gmail.com
> » mobile: https://t.me/GOwin
> » OpenPGP key: 3A93D56B | 5D42 7CCB 8827 9046 1ACB 0B94 63A4 81CE 3A93
> D56B
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 8:19 AM Eugene Alvin Villar 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Andrew,
>>
>> Thank you again for providing these MapRoulette challenges. I've been
>> going through some of these and I do have one feedback regarding the
>> overlapping ways challenge which I hope can be improved on in the future.
>> Right now, if there are two roads that are overlapping each other, a
>> MapRoulette task is created for each segment that those two ways overlap.
>> Fixing one task is quite simple but then it results in a lot of clicking in
>> MapRoulette to mark the adjacent tasks as fixed as well. It would be nice
>> if these adjacent tasks could be merged into just one MR task showing the
>> whole extent of the overlap.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Eugene
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 2:39 AM Andrew Wiseman via talk-ph <
>> talk-ph@openstreetmap.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> This is Andrew again from Apple. I wanted to let everyone know that we
>>> just updated the MapRoulette challenges related to road network issues in
>>> the Philippines with new OSM data.
>>>
>>> You can find all of the challenges in this MapRoulette project:
>>> https://maproulette.org/browse/projects/39286 and they include things
>>> like overly sharp road angles, roads that cross but aren’t connected, roads
>>> that aren’t connected to anything, overlapping roads, turn restrictions,
>>> roads that are close but not connected to others, and other similar issues.
>>> I plan to work on some of them myself too.
>>>
>>> If you haven’t used it before, MapRoulette lets you go through potential
>>> issues in OSM data one by one and either correct them or indicate they are
>>> not a problem. The challenges were created with our Atlas data analysis
>>> tool: https://github.com/osmlab/atlas.
>>>
>>> If you aren’t sure what challenge to try, sharp angles or crossing roads
>>> are probably the easiest but they should all be fairly straightforward.
>>>
>>> Please let me know if you have any suggestions or feedback. Thank you!
>>>
>>> Andrew
>>>
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Re: [talk-ph] Help fix the road network in the Philippines with MapRoulette challenges

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Hello Andrew,

Thank you again for providing these MapRoulette challenges. I've been going
through some of these and I do have one feedback regarding the overlapping
ways challenge which I hope can be improved on in the future. Right now, if
there are two roads that are overlapping each other, a MapRoulette task is
created for each segment that those two ways overlap. Fixing one task is
quite simple but then it results in a lot of clicking in MapRoulette to
mark the adjacent tasks as fixed as well. It would be nice if these
adjacent tasks could be merged into just one MR task showing the whole
extent of the overlap.

Regards,
Eugene


On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 2:39 AM Andrew Wiseman via talk-ph <
talk-ph@openstreetmap.org> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> This is Andrew again from Apple. I wanted to let everyone know that we
> just updated the MapRoulette challenges related to road network issues in
> the Philippines with new OSM data.
>
> You can find all of the challenges in this MapRoulette project:
> https://maproulette.org/browse/projects/39286 and they include things
> like overly sharp road angles, roads that cross but aren’t connected, roads
> that aren’t connected to anything, overlapping roads, turn restrictions,
> roads that are close but not connected to others, and other similar issues.
> I plan to work on some of them myself too.
>
> If you haven’t used it before, MapRoulette lets you go through potential
> issues in OSM data one by one and either correct them or indicate they are
> not a problem. The challenges were created with our Atlas data analysis
> tool: https://github.com/osmlab/atlas.
>
> If you aren’t sure what challenge to try, sharp angles or crossing roads
> are probably the easiest but they should all be fairly straightforward.
>
> Please let me know if you have any suggestions or feedback. Thank you!
>
> Andrew
>
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Changeset Comments Copyright

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 6:19 PM Andy Townsend  wrote:

> For those unfamiliar with it, the OSM US' Slack instance has a
> "feed-changeset-comments" channel which shows new changeset discussion
> comments shortly after they are added.  There are lots of other ways of
> getting at that data as well of course - including on osm.org itself.
>

To provide some context, this Slack channel is simply forwarding the
contents of an Atom feed generated by Pascal Neis here:
http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussions?c=United States

IANAL, but from an intellectual property point of view, I think Pascal
creating RSS/Atom feeds of changeset comments per country falls under fair
use/fair dealing. And there is a whole ecosystem of tools that process and
consume RSS/Atom feeds, one of which is an integration in Slack was setup
by someone so that comments on changesets in the United States are more
visible to the people who are in the OSM US Slack.

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Re: [talk-ph] Help fix the road network in the Philippines with MapRoulette challenges

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Hi Andrew,

Thank you for providing additional MR tasks. I've been looking at these new
challenges and I think that two of the challenges seem to have a large
amount of duplicate tasks with each other: "Philippines - Overlapping Ways"
(12768) and "Philippines - Overlapping Ways / Vías superpuestas" (14203).
This means that if a mapper fixes a task in one challenge, another mapper
would encounter the exact same task in the other challenge but it is
already fixed leading to confusion and wasted time.

Regards,
Eugene


On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 6:11 AM Andrew Wiseman via talk-ph <
talk-ph@openstreetmap.org> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I updated the MapRoulette challenges with new OSM data again, they are all
> posted here:  https://maproulette.org/browse/projects/39286
>
> Thanks!
>
> Andrew
>
> Andrew Wiseman |  Maps | iPhone: +1.202.270.4464 |
> andrew_wise...@apple.com
>
> On Feb 25, 2020, at 10:38 AM, Andrew Wiseman via talk-ph <
> talk-ph@openstreetmap.org> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> This is Andrew again from Apple. I wanted to let everyone know that we
> just updated the MapRoulette challenges related to road network issues in
> the Philippines with new OSM data.
>
> You can find all of the challenges in this MapRoulette project:
> https://maproulette.org/browse/projects/39286 and they include things
> like overly sharp road angles, roads that cross but aren’t connected, roads
> that aren’t connected to anything, overlapping roads, turn restrictions,
> roads that are close but not connected to others, and other similar issues.
> I plan to work on some of them myself too.
>
> If you haven’t used it before, MapRoulette lets you go through potential
> issues in OSM data one by one and either correct them or indicate they are
> not a problem. The challenges were created with our Atlas data analysis
> tool: https://github.com/osmlab/atlas.
>
> If you aren’t sure what challenge to try, sharp angles or crossing roads
> are probably the easiest but they should all be fairly straightforward.
>
> Please let me know if you have any suggestions or feedback. Thank you!
>
> Andrew
>
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[OSM-talk] A Call to Correct Narratives about Geospatial Work in the Philippines

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Hello all,

Last September 1, Amazon Web Services (AWS) released an episode of their
documentary series Now Go Build which highlighted the work done by the
Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team in the Philippines, especially in mapping
the town of Guagua, in the province of Pampanga.

You can see AWS' video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqQwEOaKRas

Several members of the OSM-PH community however have observed that there
are missing and problematic narratives in the video related to the story it
tells of geospatial and humanitarian workers in the country.

Therefore, some of us have prepared and released the following statement:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/images/a/aa/A_Call_to_Correct_Narratives_about_Geospatial_Work.pdf

Regards,
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[talk-ph] A Call to Correct Narratives aboutGeospatial Work in the Philippines

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Hello all,

Last September 1, Amazon Web Services (AWS) released an episode of their
documentary series *Now Go Build* which highlighted the work done by the
Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team in the Philippines, especially in mapping
the town of Guagua, Pampanga.

You can see AWS' video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqQwEOaKRas

Several members of the OSM-PH community however have observed that there
are missing and problematic narratives in the video related to the story it
tells of geospatial and humanitarian workers in the country.

Therefore, some of us have prepared and release the following statement:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/images/a/aa/A_Call_to_Correct_Narratives_about_Geospatial_Work.pdf

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] local copyright law on government data and OSM license

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Hi Kathleen, all,

Just as a bit of reference, the original intellectual property law from
1924, back when the Philippines was a territory of the United States,
didn't have this commercial-with-prior-approval second sentence and was
basically modeled after the U.S. law (government works are fully in the
public domain). This additional sentence was added in 1972 and was retained
in the present law of 1997. Previous analysis of the current law by
Wikimedia volunteers with respect to copyright can be seen here and which
concludes that this second sentence is some sort of additional
non-copyright-based government right:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Template:PD-PhilippineGov

This situation actually raises a lot of questions especially in the context
of OSM. For instance, if a government agency published a dataset of
polygons of places, it would probably be best to get the agency's prior
approval to import such dataset in order to waive the requirement of "prior
approval [...] for exploitation of such work for profit" because end users
of OSM should not have to ask the agency for approval if they want to use
the data that was included in OSM for profit.

On the other hand, if an OSM mapper *derives* new data from such a dataset
(for example, generating a representative point for each polygon, maybe at
the centroid, or maybe at at the "admin centre" if the polygon represents
settlements and the mapper used their best judgement and research to place
such points), then this new dataset is no longer the same as the government
dataset. If the OSM mapper added the new derived data to OSM, then one
could perhaps argue that prior approval from the government agency is no
longer needed because the very act of mapping in OSM is not "for
exploitation of such work for profit". And furthermore, end users of OSM
would also perhaps not need to seek "prior approval" as well since they are
not exploiting the original government dataset but rather a derived dataset
(ex., points), and which cannot be used to reverse engineer the original
government dataset (ex., polygons).

Regards,
Eugene



On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 10:57 AM Kathleen Lu via legal-talk <
legal-talk@openstreetmap.org> wrote:

> A few thoughts:
>
> I'd want to talk to a Philippine lawyer, because frankly, these two
> sentences seem to contradict each other:
> *No copyright shall subsist in any work of the Government of the
> Philippines. However, prior approval of the government agency or office
> wherein the work is created shall be necessary for exploitation of such
> work for profit*
>
> What would be the consequences of not getting permission? A violation of
> the government's non-copyright rights? Rights of what? I didn't think the
> Philippines had database rights, but there could well be some other
> non-copyright law.
>
> Looking online, I found this on the National Mapping authority's website:
> Can I edit and use the NAMRIA maps for business? Article III of NAMRIA
> Memorandum of Agreement (MOA) states that "the second party shall use the
> digital data acquired from NAMRIA only for its own authorized purpose and
> not for commercial purpose. If digital is sold to other parties, the Second
> Party shall pay the full cost of the digital data and its royalties". This
> applies only to digital maps (scanned/vector) purchased from NAMRIA.
> http://www.namria.gov.ph/faq.aspx
>
> So one question I would have is whether the data source in question is
> digital data acquired from NAMRIA?
>
> I also found this list
> http://www.geoportal.gov.ph/resources/PGPDataInventorywithSW
> which seems to indicate that at least some government geodata has no
> restrictions on it. With respect to at least those datasets, it would seem
> that *explicit permission with respect to OSM* is unnecessary. I didn't see
> a source for the letters mentioned in this list, but it's possible that
> some of the data restrictions would not be a problem for OSM, but they'd
> have to be examined on a letter by letter basis.
>
> Best,
> -Kathleen
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 6:17 PM Erwin Olario  wrote:
>
>> Recently, some edits in the country came to the  attention of the
>> community and have been found to be derived from government data.
>> Volunteers in the community, after advising the DWG of the process and
>> action plan, are undertaking the rollback of affected edits.
>>
>> In our community, the current practice follows the general
>> recommendation, that  no (Philippine government) data should be added into
>> OpenStreetMap, unless explicit permission has been obtained from the
>> originating agency/office/owners that the data will be added in OSM, under
>> ODbL.
>>
>> The relevant local law on government data, states Republic Act 8293
>> ,
>> section 176:
>> "*Works of the Government. ‑ 176.1. No copyright shall subsist in any
>> work of the Government of the Philippines. However, 

Re: [talk-ph] Draw the line between primary and secondary road classes for rural areas.

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Hi Jherome,

How is the map visualization coming along? Regarding your latest ticket
about upgraded/downgraded routes (like Tagaytay-Nasugbu) I think we need to
fix the classification scheme first before tinkering with actual map fixes
(or even map reversions).

~Eugene

P.S. I think it's okay to have Tagaytay-Nasugbu as trunk because it
provides a loop with Ternate/Maragondon and Aguinaldo Highway and Governors
Drive in an increasingly urbanizing area.

On Sat, Jun 20, 2020, 7:28 AM Jherome Miguel, 
wrote:

> I'm creating a simple map of the major highways in Pangasinan, which also
> have colored nodes representing each city and municipal center by
> population size (red for large cities with population of 100+K, blue for
> large municipalities with 100+K, yellow for medium-sized municipalities of
> 50K-100K, and green for smaller municipalities with <50K). It's kind of
> slow, and I'm yet to complete that, but I'm seeing proof from that map that
> should be convincing that we need to rework the road classification system.
>
> Have you ever have any concern about the previous definition of primary
> (per Rally), as a road linking every municipality regardless of their
> population size? I find Rally's proposal, as well as the 2007 version which
> it modifies, having an more or less apparent bias towards urban road
> networks (something to do with it being originally designed for Metro
> Manila roads as I see on a previous discussion on OSM Wiki).
>
> I find it hard to translate this from Tagalog to English in my head, but I
> think primaries should be visible in the same zoom as trunk roads, and
> normally serve a city with a population of <=100K and medium or large
> municipalities with 50+K (figures from the latest census). If their main
> destination is a municipality with less than 50K residents, they can get
> dowgraded to secondary. If the road currently classified as primary is
> designated a provincial road, then it's assumed to be less traveled
> (national road designation often indicates a heavily traveled route to many
> of us), and they better fit a lower class that is, usually, secondary.
>
> --TagaSanPedroAko
>
> On Sat, Jun 20, 2020, 1:29 AM Eugene Alvin Villar, 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Jherome,
>>
>> I think the problem with discussing the road classifications in the
>> Philippines is that the proposals you are suggesting are too abstract.
>>
>> Here's a suggestion: Why not create a simple map using uMap[1] showing
>> how your proposed changes would affect the road network in a few selected
>> provinces in the country. Let's select, say, Guimaras, Negros Oriental, and
>> Pangasinan as those provinces. Then once we are able to visualize how your
>> proposed road networks look like then we can have a more concrete
>> discussion about your proposed changes.
>>
>> [1] https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/
>>
>> ~Eugene
>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 4:37 AM Jherome Miguel 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It 's been months since we went through this whole conversation to
>>> revamp our road classification which haven 't changed to take in account
>>> other possible factors, but to completely draw the line between primary and
>>> secondary class roads in rural areas (which other mappers haven't
>>> completely accepted), I'm presenting again the new definitions by context
>>> as I originally elaborated, except for additions from further observation.:
>>>
>>> * Primary
>>> -- Urban: Non-trunk major arterials, usually a numbered national road.
>>> Serves as a major route across town. Just for guidance, usually
>>> three-digit highways under DPWH. Can consider upgrade to trunk if road is
>>> like an expressway between at least two major intersections, with
>>> overpasses/flyovers or underpasses over congested crossings, and most
>>> smaller intersections closed and replaced with a U-turn slot somewhere
>>> nearby.
>>> --Rural/regional: Major non-trunk highways that connect to all other
>>> cities as well as large towns. Lower in importance than trunk, but still
>>> the main way around a region or province. Just for guidance, usually
>>> three-digit highways under DPWH.
>>> * Secondary
>>> --Urban: Minor arterials, connecting at least 3 barangays or districts,
>>> not necessarily within the same city/municipality. Not heavily traveled as
>>> the primary or trunk routes, but still important routes within an urban
>>> area. Can be a "promoted" tertiary (collector) road, with higher quality
>>> and more traffic. Just for guidance, are mostly unnumbered roads under DPW

Re: [talk-ph] Filipino speakers at State of the Map 2020

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Hello all,

In addition to the regular talks and presentation for State of the Map, we
also have the following people who are submitting lightning talks:

1. David Garcia - Nurturing a Ministry of Mapping
2. Andi Tabinas - Uses of Mapping for Community Care During the Pandemic
3. Arnalie Vicario - GeoLadies PH

You can see a description of their talks here:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_of_the_Map_2020/registration_lightning_talks

The final schedule for the lightning talks (the order and on which dates)
will be posted by the SotM team shortly before the conference.

~Eugene

On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 5:30 PM Eugene Alvin Villar 
wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> State of the Map (SotM), which is the annual conference for and by the OSM
> community, will be happening this weekend from July 4, Saturday, to July 5,
> Sunday, online. Visit the website here: https://2020.stateofthemap.org
>
> Filipino OSM community members have been presenting or speaking at SotM
> since 2018 and 2020 is no different. Catch the following people:
>
>1. Leigh Lunas
>"Drones for Community Mapping"
>https://2020.stateofthemap.org/sessions/8JQ7PY/
>Saturday, 18:45 PHT
>
>2. Eugene Alvin Villar
>"Building Stronger Communities Together: the Local Chapters &
>Communities Working Group"
>https://2020.stateofthemap.org/sessions/DVR7ME
>Sunday, 05:30 PHT
>Note: Eugene will be presenting together with the rest of the working
>group
>
>3. Mikko Tamura
>"MAPBEKS: Mapping of HIV Facilities and LGBT spaces in the Philippines
>on OpenStreetMap"
>https://2020.stateofthemap.org/sessions/L3RTUK
>Sunday, 18:00 PHT
>
>4. Thinking Machines Data Science: Ardie Orden, Ren Avell Flores, Pia
>Faustino, Mark Steve Samson
>"Measuring OpenStreetMap building footprint completeness using human
>settlement layers"
>https://2020.stateofthemap.org/sessions/YUM9PY
>Sunday, 18:45 PHT
>Note: This is an academic paper presentation for the SotM academic
>track
>
> See you there!
>
> ~Eugene
>
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[talk-ph] Filipino speakers at State of the Map 2020

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Hello all,

State of the Map (SotM), which is the annual conference for and by the OSM
community, will be happening this weekend from July 4, Saturday, to July 5,
Sunday, online. Visit the website here: https://2020.stateofthemap.org

Filipino OSM community members have been presenting or speaking at SotM
since 2018 and 2020 is no different. Catch the following people:

   1. Leigh Lunas
   "Drones for Community Mapping"
   https://2020.stateofthemap.org/sessions/8JQ7PY/
   Saturday, 18:45 PHT

   2. Eugene Alvin Villar
   "Building Stronger Communities Together: the Local Chapters &
   Communities Working Group"
   https://2020.stateofthemap.org/sessions/DVR7ME
   Sunday, 05:30 PHT
   Note: Eugene will be presenting together with the rest of the working
   group

   3. Mikko Tamura
   "MAPBEKS: Mapping of HIV Facilities and LGBT spaces in the Philippines
   on OpenStreetMap"
   https://2020.stateofthemap.org/sessions/L3RTUK
   Sunday, 18:00 PHT

   4. Thinking Machines Data Science: Ardie Orden, Ren Avell Flores, Pia
   Faustino, Mark Steve Samson
   "Measuring OpenStreetMap building footprint completeness using human
   settlement layers"
   https://2020.stateofthemap.org/sessions/YUM9PY
   Sunday, 18:45 PHT
   Note: This is an academic paper presentation for the SotM academic track

See you there!

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Re: [talk-ph] Draw the line between primary and secondary road classes for rural areas.

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Hi Jherome,

I think the problem with discussing the road classifications in the
Philippines is that the proposals you are suggesting are too abstract.

Here's a suggestion: Why not create a simple map using uMap[1] showing how
your proposed changes would affect the road network in a few selected
provinces in the country. Let's select, say, Guimaras, Negros Oriental, and
Pangasinan as those provinces. Then once we are able to visualize how your
proposed road networks look like then we can have a more concrete
discussion about your proposed changes.

[1] https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/

~Eugene


On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 4:37 AM Jherome Miguel 
wrote:

> It 's been months since we went through this whole conversation to revamp
> our road classification which haven 't changed to take in account other
> possible factors, but to completely draw the line between primary and
> secondary class roads in rural areas (which other mappers haven't
> completely accepted), I'm presenting again the new definitions by context
> as I originally elaborated, except for additions from further observation.:
>
> * Primary
> -- Urban: Non-trunk major arterials, usually a numbered national road.
> Serves as a major route across town. Just for guidance, usually
> three-digit highways under DPWH. Can consider upgrade to trunk if road is
> like an expressway between at least two major intersections, with
> overpasses/flyovers or underpasses over congested crossings, and most
> smaller intersections closed and replaced with a U-turn slot somewhere
> nearby.
> --Rural/regional: Major non-trunk highways that connect to all other
> cities as well as large towns. Lower in importance than trunk, but still
> the main way around a region or province. Just for guidance, usually
> three-digit highways under DPWH.
> * Secondary
> --Urban: Minor arterials, connecting at least 3 barangays or districts,
> not necessarily within the same city/municipality. Not heavily traveled as
> the primary or trunk routes, but still important routes within an urban
> area. Can be a "promoted" tertiary (collector) road, with higher quality
> and more traffic. Just for guidance, are mostly unnumbered roads under DPWH
> ("national tertiary roads"), and city/municipal roads.
> -- Rural - Smaller highways that connects [a] small town centers[s] or
> serves as an alternate route to a major numbered route it parallels. Lower
> travel speeds (40-60 kph), and often used by traffic headed to barangays
> along it or the town centers it serves. Just for guidance (but can
> influence classification), usually a unnumbered national road or provincial
> road.
>
>
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[talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] HOT Update

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Hello all,

I'm forwarding some big news from the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team (HOT)
that may hugely affect the OSM community in the Philippines over the next
few years.

Yesterday, HOT announced that they are one of the eight recipients of a
multi-year funding from TED's The Audacious Project. Please see the
following links for more information:

- The Audacious Project website: https://audaciousproject.org/
- Wikipedia article about the The Audacious Project:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Audacious_Project
- The Audacious Project's page for HOT:
https://audaciousproject.org/ideas/2020/humanitarian-openstreetmap-team
- HOT's announcement: https://www.hotosm.org/updates/audacious-announcement/
- HOT's FAQ page for the project: https://www.hotosm.org/audacious-faq

One of the things HOT will be doing is setting up four regional hubs
worldwide and Manila was selected as the HQ/hub for the Asia Pacific
region. They will also hire around 13 or so people to support the Asia
Pacific hub.

~Eugene

-- Forwarded message -
From: Tyler Radford 
Date: Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 9:51 PM
Subject: [OSM-talk] HOT Update
To: OpenStreetMap talk mailing list 


Hi,

We wanted to share some news about HOT's work over the next five years,
which has been launched today -
https://www.hotosm.org/updates/audacious-announcement/

*Tyler Radford*
Executive Director
tyler.radf...@hotosm.org
@TylerSRadford

*Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team*
*Using OpenStreetMap for Humanitarian Response & Economic Development*
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[talk-ph] WeMap: OSM + Wikidata, May 6

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Hello all,

This May 6 starting at 7:30pm, we will be having our 7th Wednesday MapaTime
(WeMap) session and this time we will be looking at how to improve
OpenStreetMap data by complementing it with Wikidata, two of the biggest,
open and collaborative knowledge-base platforms powered by volunteers.

The links for this week's session are here: http://is.gd/bjuoyp

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[talk-ph] WeMap: Flight of the Drones webinar tonight, April 29

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Hello all,

If you are following us on Facebook or are in the OSM PH Telegram group,
you should already know that the PH open mapping community has been holding
a series of online/virtual weekly webinars/mapathons every Wednesday night
since late March called Wednesday MapaTime or WeMap. Tonight starting at
7:30pm, we will be having our sixth WeMap session and it will be all about
drones or unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) and how they can be used to
complement mapping efforts, for example by collecting aerial imagery.

The links for this week's session is here: is.gd/5d0res

Come and join us!

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Re: [OSM-talk] Please be gentle with newbies

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Wikipedia has had a behavioural guideline like this since almost the
beginning with the nickname WP:BITE: Please do not bite the newcomers.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Please_do_not_bite_the_newcomers

On Wed, Mar 4, 2020, 7:25 AM john whelan,  wrote:

> These days I'm retired and use my old age pensioner bus pass to grab a
> free coffee.  Often there are strings attached like a group of politicans
> or journalists etc. floating around.
>
> Today I got cornered by one who had been on the receiving end of a
> communication from a mapper saying they had made a mistake on their first
> attempt at mapping.
>
> It was a couple of years ago and the message was a little on the
> aggressive side.  The receiver still remembers it clearly and in their mind
> OSM was a well this not the place to use those sort of words.
>
> When you send a message to a mapper you don't know who they are.  You are
> representing OpenStreetMap when you send a message so please put your
> passion to one side and be gentle with the poor things if only so I can
> enjoy my free coffee in peace.
>
> I do sympathize, I've come across a lot of suboptimal mapping in my time
> and mentally expressed exactly the same thoughts that were expressed but I
> do try to count to ten before sending a polite note that says did you
> really mean to map this this way?  Have you read the wiki here which gives
> guidance?
>
> And yes I know those who read this mailing list would always be polite but
> I couldn't think where else to post it.
>
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Re: [talk-ph] Community call with Allan Mustard (OSMF Board Chair)

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

On Tue, Feb 25, 2020, 9:08 PM maning sambale, 
wrote:

> Is this going to be recorded? I have an overlap and would love to hear the
> community discussion.
>

Hi Maning,

I'm sorry to hear you can't make it. I'll see if I can do a recording. Or
at least have someone volunteer to take some notes.

~Eugene

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Re: [talk-ph] Community call with Allan Mustard (OSMF Board Chair)

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Hello all,

The community call with the OSMF Chairperson Allan Mustard will push
through this Wednesday at 8:00pm Philippine Time (12:00 UTC).

Please join us on Google Hangouts:
https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/calendar/ZjZiczNyY2pzNDFkbXFxOGFycXQ5MGZoMGtAZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ.6anvsfmpb4j0p1is3q9ngoo44r?authuser=0

For the call, I would recommend turning off video and just use audio in
order to make better use of Internet bandwidth (given our dismal Internet
access in the country).

Here's a little bit of background of our guest.

Allan P. Mustard is a retired United States career diplomat and was
previously the United States Ambassador to Turkmenistan from 2014 until his
retirement in 2019. Aside from his official duties representing the United
States government in the former Soviet country, he spent his free time
mapping the capital of Ashgabat in OSM making the city one of the
best-mapped places in Central Asia in any mapping service. Before he was
appointed an ambassador, he worked as a Foreign Service Officer under the
U.S. Department of Agriculture and had been posted in various places
worldwide such as Istanbul, Vienna, Moscow, Mexico City, and New Delhi.
Aside from English, Allan also speaks German and Russian, the latter of
which he learned as an undergrad at the University of Washington.

More info:
https://2009-2017.state.gov/r/pa/ei/biog/236205.htm
http://www.allgov.com/news/appointments-and-resignations/us-ambassador-to-turkmenistan-who-is-allan-mustard-140816?news=853983

Regards,
Eugene


On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 1:41 AM Eugene Alvin Villar 
wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> Allan Mustard, the new chairperson of the Board of Directors of the
> OpenStreetMap Foundation, would like to have a one-hour call with the OSM
> community in the Philippines. Allan has been reaching out to various OSM
> local communities all over the world. For instance, he did a call with the
> OSM Indian community last January 29:
> https://mobile.twitter.com/osm_in/status/1221609512420794368
>
> Basically, Allan would like to learn more about our community in the
> Philippines, the mapping and work that we do, the opportunities and
> challenges that we face while we contribute to and promote OSM, and to seek
> input on what the OSM Foundation can do to support local communities.
>
> If you are interested to join the call (which will be done remotely and
> online probably via Google Hangouts), please do indicate your availability
> on this poll:
>
> https://framadate.org/bO4YJq6yLweEZLmJ
>
> Regards,
> Eugene
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[talk-ph] (no subject)

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Hello all,

There is an ongoing email thread on the OSM tagging mailing list about a
proposal to add the tag amenity=motorcycle_taxi to mark the station where
one can hire motorcycle-based taxis (very similar to our tricycles). (Note:
we are not talking about Angkas-like services which is what we expect the
phrase "motorcycle taxis" to be.)

Email thread:
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2020-February/051211.html

Tag proposal wiki page:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi

Your thoughts and comments are welcome! I can forward them to the tag
proposer if you cannot participate directly in the tagging mailing list nor
add comments to the proposal wiki talk page.

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[talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Microgrants call for committee

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

-- Forwarded message -
From: Joost Schouppe 
Date: Sun, Feb 16, 2020 at 7:11 PM
Subject: [OSM-talk] Microgrants call for committee
To: 


Hi,

The Microgrants project is ready for launch! When we first received the
Pineapple fund donation, the money was quickly earmarked as to be given
back to the community. Now that's finally happening, after a recent Board
decision [1] (plenty of background behind that link!). Any volunteer who
thinks they can make an impact with a small grant will soon be able to
apply.

But first we need the help of a few volunteers to manage the project. What
do we expect of you?

1) Running the call for projects
2) Making a selection of about ten projects
3) Following up with the selected projects

Anyone can apply to be on the selection committee, and the Board will then
make a selection. We are looking for people who know how the OSM community
works, who have experience with making an impact for OSM - but also people
with practical experience running these kinds of projects.

The policy document [2] offers a guideline to what the Board wants to see
happen with this project, but it leaves a lot of leeway for the committee
to implement as they see fit. For example, the committee is expected to
work out their own rules of order. During the entire process, you will be
able to rely on Dorothea for administrative assistance.

The most impactful job of the Microgrants Committee will be the selection
itself. The decision is expected to be based on deep community
consultation. The Board did keep a veto right over the selected
applications.

The committee is also expected to guide the projects to fruition. However,
it is encouraged for the committee to extend the group with more
volunteers, so as to lighten the workload and diversify points of view. For
example, it would be really helpful to have volunteers who speak the
language or are culturally close to the selected projects.

When the projects are finished and have reported on their experience, the
Committee is almost done. A final task will be to make recommendations to
the Board for the next phase of the Microgrants project - we've only just
begun!

Send your application to join the Microgrants Committee to
microgra...@osmfoundation.org by March 8th.

All relevant information will be accessible through the OSMF wiki at
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Microgrants

1.
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Board/Minutes/2020-01#Microgrants_policy_-_proposal_to_vote
2:
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/w/images/1/1a/Microgrants_working_document_snapshot_2020-01-13.odt

All the best,
Joost
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[talk-ph] Community call with Allan Mustard (OSMF Board Chair)

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Hello all,

Allan Mustard, the new chairperson of the Board of Directors of the
OpenStreetMap Foundation, would like to have a one-hour call with the OSM
community in the Philippines. Allan has been reaching out to various OSM
local communities all over the world. For instance, he did a call with the
OSM Indian community last January 29:
https://mobile.twitter.com/osm_in/status/1221609512420794368

Basically, Allan would like to learn more about our community in the
Philippines, the mapping and work that we do, the opportunities and
challenges that we face while we contribute to and promote OSM, and to seek
input on what the OSM Foundation can do to support local communities.

If you are interested to join the call (which will be done remotely and
online probably via Google Hangouts), please do indicate your availability
on this poll:

https://framadate.org/bO4YJq6yLweEZLmJ

Regards,
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Re: [talk-ph] is_in tags in the Philippines

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Just another data point to add to the discussion:

JOSM currently warns that is_in=* tags are deprecated:
https://josm.openstreetmap.de/changeset/14917/josm

Generally, tagging suggestions in JOSM are not usually controversial
(unlike some of iD's tagging suggestions). Therefore, I usually delete such
tags if they are redundant to administrative boundary relations.

On the other hand, I would preserve them, or even add them (like for Brgy.
Quinawan, Bagac, Bataan[1]), if the boundary relation doesn't exist yet.

[1] https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3085704286/history

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020, 3:50 PM Eugene Alvin Villar,  wrote:

> I generally agree except for the cases where the tag value corresponds to
> an administrative entity that already has a boundary relation. In which
> case I would then remove the tag.
>
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020, 10:16 AM Erwin Olario,  wrote:
>
>>
>> Until we have a complete, and accurate sub-national boundary polygons in
>> the Philippines, I'd like to suggest that we avoid removing is_in tags, as
>> these may still contain valuable information that cannot be deduced from
>> still non-existent boundaries.
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>> /erwin
>>
>>
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Re: [talk-ph] Proposal to update the PH resources in the osm-community-index

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Hi Nick,

I personally think this is OK. But the question will be on the ordering. My
preference is to put general channels ahead of thematic (e.g.,
humanitarian) channels. The reasoning is that a random mapper editing in iD
would be more interested to learn more about the broader mapping community.
A mapper who is more focused on humanitarian mapping would likely be
already aware of HOT PH and therefore does not need to be reminded of the
Facebook page or the Telegram group after they edit in iD.

~Eugene


On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 4:40 PM Nick Brown  wrote:

> Hi folks,
> Can we also add the HOT Ph Facebook page and Telegram chat on the list?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Best,
> Nick
>
> On Thu, 30 Jan 2020, 04:57 Eugene Alvin Villar,  wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> If you have ever edited in OSM using the iD editor, you may have noticed
>> a list of communication channels on the left sidebar after you have saved
>> your edits. This list comes from the osm-community-index:
>> https://github.com/osmlab/osm-community-index
>>
>> I would like to propose some changes to the list for the Philippines:
>>  • Remove Slack since we no longer use this communication channel
>>  • Update the order as follows: Telegram group, talk-ph mailing list
>> (this one), Facebook page
>>  • Update descriptions and add extended descriptions
>>
>> You can see the detailed changes in the following GitHub commit:
>>
>> https://github.com/OSMPH/osm-community-index/commit/4a8a8ee9dc2158bec3c74e76e62214dd56d88988
>>
>> Please do review the changes and provide feedback and suggestions. Once
>> we have consensus for the changes, I will submit a pull request to have the
>> changes integrated into the main index.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Eugene
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[talk-ph] Proposal to update the PH resources in the osm-community-index

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Hello all,

If you have ever edited in OSM using the iD editor, you may have noticed a
list of communication channels on the left sidebar after you have saved
your edits. This list comes from the osm-community-index:
https://github.com/osmlab/osm-community-index

I would like to propose some changes to the list for the Philippines:
 • Remove Slack since we no longer use this communication channel
 • Update the order as follows: Telegram group, talk-ph mailing list (this
one), Facebook page
 • Update descriptions and add extended descriptions

You can see the detailed changes in the following GitHub commit:
https://github.com/OSMPH/osm-community-index/commit/4a8a8ee9dc2158bec3c74e76e62214dd56d88988

Please do review the changes and provide feedback and suggestions. Once we
have consensus for the changes, I will submit a pull request to have the
changes integrated into the main index.

Thanks!
Eugene
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Re: [talk-ph] Tagging of barangays and sitios/puroks

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

The value is that we align better to the global tagging scheme with respect
to human settlements. And there is a great variability in barangays that
shoehorning them all into just place=village no longer makes sense. For
example, Barangay 12 in Pasay is essentially just a small city block while
Barangay 176 in Caloocan has a population of almost 250,000 making it more
populous than majority of all PH cities. Both do not seem to be "villages"
in the global OSM sense to me.

Also, back when we decided to tag barangays as place=village, tags like
place=quarter or place=suburb didn't exist yet.

Finally, we can still mark these place nodes as barangays by adding the
designation=barangay tag if you want to query for them.

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020, 3:22 PM maning sambale, 
wrote:

> Pardon for my confusion, but I don's see the value of splitting
> barangays to village and quarter in the context of the Philippines.
>
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 2:19 PM Jherome Miguel 
> wrote:
> >
> > I also thought of using the Philippine Statistics Authority (PSA)
> subclassifications of barangays to determine which gets quarter or village,
> as being inside a city boundary doesn't make every barangay urban.
> >
> > * urban barangay - quarter
> > * rural barangay - village
> >
> > We may also consider having a tag to handle the PSA subclassification.
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 8:03 PM Jherome Miguel 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Eugene suggested to tag barangays in cities as place=quarter when
> applicable. We already agree to tag remote or rural sitios/puroks as
> place=hamlet, and we haven't agreed on how to deal with urban barangays.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 6:56 PM maning sambale <
> emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> From the wiki:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Aplace%3Dquarter
> >>> "This does not have to be an administrative entity. "
> >>>
> >>> We agreed in the past that barangay is synonymous to place=village.
> >>> Were there any changes with this view?
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 8:57 AM Jherome Miguel <
> jheromemig...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > I am already seeing retagging of barangays in urban areas (e.g.
> Metro Manila) from place=village to place=quarter. Our present guidelines
> for tagging local government unit (LGU) says barangays always get tagged as
> village regardless if it's in an urban or rural area, but the
> recommendation to tag urban barangays to quarter hasn't been documented yet
> nor discussed (though I agree with it as they better reflect the situation
> in urban areas and the general tagging recommendations).
> >>> >
> >>> > Our current guidelines on mapping sitios/puroks is to tag them as
> place=neighbourhood, even if it's on a rural or isolated area. I tag them
> as place=hamlet instead, as they better reflect how they are in reality
> (those are usually clusters of homes with populations of ~100-200, though
> those are just approximates as they are not covered in censuses) and best
> follows general tagging recommendations. I'm also considering having this
> scheme for sitios/puroks depending on their location:
> >>> >
> >>> > * Urban - place=neighbourhood
> >>> > * Rural - place=hamlet
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[talk-ph] Typhoon Kammuri/Tisoy Response Mapathon

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Hello all,

The Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team Philippines (HOT PH) and Thinking
Machines Data Science are organizing a mapathon in response to Typhoon
Kammuri/Tisoy.

The mapathon will be held at Thinking Machines' office in BGC this
Thursday, December 5 from 6 to 9pm.

Event details and free registration here:
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/hot-philippines-thinking-machines-kammuritisoy-response-mapathon-tickets-84585977937

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Re: [talk-ph] Revisiting road classifications

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Hi,

I am not convinced that we should take DPWH's road classifications with
great weight in refining OSMPH's road classification. Note that "National
Road" does not mean that the road is functionally important but rather it
only means that DPWH is the government agency in charge of maintaining such
roads as opposed to LGUs.

I also understand that DPWH classifies National Roads as either expressway,
primary, secondary, or tertiary, but looking at the following map of
National Roads in Metro Manila, I do not quite agree with DPWH's
classifications at least with respect to OSM:
http://www.dpwh.gov.ph/dpwh/2018%20DPWH%20ATLAS/Road%20Data%202016/NCR.jpg

~Eugene

On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 3:13 PM Jherome Miguel 
wrote:

> With the Department of Public Works and Highways introducing route numbers
> and reworking the road classifications since 2014, it seems the road
> classifications also need to be revamped.
>
> The 2014 DPWH classifications are:
>
> *Expressway
> *National road
> ** National primary road (1-2 digit routes)
> ** National secondary road (3-digit routes)
> ** National tertiary road
> *Provincial road
> *City/municipal road
> *Barangay road
>
> while the older classifications are:
>
> *Expressway
> *National roads
> **North-South Backbone
> **East-West Laterals
> **Other Roads of Strategic Importance
> *Provincial roads
> *City/municipal road
> *Barangay road
>
> The introduction of route numbers and more specific national road classes
> also meant reconsidering how we should use classifications. I agree trunk
> would include the major national roads that form critical links between
> cities and provinces, but I disagree with the present usage of primary.
> There are many usages of the primary tag on roads classified as provincial
> and below, which is not reflective of actual traffic patterns. It was
> previously proposed in 2009 that primary should be restricted to the
> national roads (see
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2010-January/001693.html),
> but the plan seems to have stalled.
>
> The proposal I have considered, which largely adapted from the conventions
> in Canada and Australia, is:
>
> *Trunk - major national roads that connect major cities (population
> 100k+), and forms the national transportation backbone. Usually 1 to
> 2-digit routes, or the primary national roads.
> *Primary - all other national roads that connect other cities and
> municipalities not served by the national road network,  In urban areas,
> they form the other major cross-town routes. Usually 3-digit routes, or
> secondary national roads.
> *Secondary - In rural areas, roads that link municipalities to the primary
> network. In urban areas, they are minor arteries, which are not numbered
> national roads nor barangay roads, and, connects barangays/districts to the
> primary network.
> *Tertiary - In rural areas, roads that connect barangays into the
> secondary roads and higher. In urban areas, collector roads that are
> generally at the heart of a barangay or district.
> * Unclassified - All other roads that do not fit tertiary or residential.
>
> The system is largely based on usage over official designation, as
> matching OSM's road classes with the Philippine government road
> designations is far illogical, as they do not clearly convey their main
> traffic usage. Our previous two guidelines basically follow the same
> principle, but are quite flawed.
>
> I am also considering eliminating the "living street" classification from
> the existing guidelines, but I have my second thoughts, especially for
> narrow ones that a typical motorcycle can enter.
>
> Some open questions:
>
> 1. How should we classify roads like Daang Hari, C-6/Laguna Lakeshore
> Highway, and C-5 Extension, which are major intercity routes but not
> national roads?
>
> 2. How should bypasses and diversion routes of national roads be
> classified?
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Re: [OSM-talk] MS GitHub? | Re: Tagging Governance

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 11:27 PM Andy Townsend  wrote:

> If someone's less familiar with something, they're likely to volunteer to
> contribute using it.  It doesn't matter if it's Markdown, TeX (is that
> still a thing?  I last used it 30-odd years ago) or the solution du jour -
> anything that "needs learning" is an extra step to be dealt with before
> useful contribution can take place.
>

I think the beauty of Markdown is that it provides a really low barrier to
entry. People can still write plain text and it would still be valid
Markdown. And there is very little a non-Markdown-versed user can do mess
it up so that what they want to say is rendered unintelligible.
Furthermore, the OSM website extensively uses Markdown (the kramdown
variant) in the user diaries, comments, and inter-user messaging so it's
not as if we are introducing a markup language that is unknown for the
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Re: [talk-ph] Help fix the road network in the Philippines with MapRoulette challenges

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Hi Andrew,

Thanks for setting up these MapRoulette challenges!

I'm happy to see that Apple is interested in helping out improve OSM data
in the Philippines. On the other hand, we never seem to run out of OSM
notes, fixme=* tagged objects, and Osmose and Keep Right bugs to fix, so
another set of potential OSM data errors is not helping. 

~Eugene

On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 5:48 AM Andrew Wiseman via talk-ph <
talk-ph@openstreetmap.org> wrote:

> Hi OSM Philippines,
>
> My name is Andrew, I work for Apple on the Maps team. We recently used our
> Atlas data analysis tool (https://github.com/osmlab/atlas) to look at a
> few types of potential issues related to roads and routing on
> OpenStreetMap, such as roads that have overly sharp angles, roads that
> cross but don't connect, routing problems, turn restrictions, places where
> navigation is impossible due to missing connections or potentially
> incorrect one-way roads, and other similar issues.
>
> I've posted the results of those checks on MapRoulette, a tool that lets
> you go through potential issues one by one and either correct them or
> indicate they are not a problem. I wanted to let you know they are
> available in case others wanted to try fixing some of them — I also plan to
> go through some of them myself.
>
> In MapRoulette you can either pick a random task to fix or click on a
> specific one. If you want to do tasks around a certain location, such
> as somewhere you are familiar with, you can click on one from the map view,
> and then click Next task: Nearby when you finish it.
>
> The checks are:
>
> Crossing roads: https://maproulette.org/browse/challenges/8807
> Routing problems: https://maproulette.org/browse/challenges/8804
> Floating and disconnected roads:
> https://maproulette.org/browse/challenges/8810
> Sharp angles: https://maproulette.org/browse/challenges/8808
> Road connectivity check: https://maproulette.org/browse/challenges/8806
> Invalid lanes: https://maproulette.org/browse/challenges/8814
> Invalid turn restriction: https://maproulette.org/browse/challenges/8815
> Malformed roundabouts: https://maproulette.org/browse/challenges/8809
> Road links: https://maproulette.org/browse/challenges/8813
>
> Let me know if you have any questions or suggestions.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Andrew
>
> Andrew Wiseman |  Maps | iPhone: +1.202.270.4464 |
> andrew_wise...@apple.com
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Re: [OSM-talk] Announcing the Tabang-AI initiative

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Hi Marc,

On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 7:36 PM marc marc  wrote:

> could you share a link that shows that it is the local community that
> solicited facebook as the wiki page claims and not facebook that invents
> a collaboration to "whashing" their wishs ? given the frequent issues
> (about both the quality and the lack of collaboration and opt-in from
> the local communities where it took place before), it seems important to
> me not to repeat this error
>

Unfortunately, I cannot provide you with a link since we communicated with
Facebook's OSM team privately. This is completely our own initiative and
was not initiated from Facebook's side.

I completely understand your concern regarding Facebook's actions
especially with the problems and issues encountered by the local mapping
community in Thailand. As such, we stipulated with Facebook that any
mapping in the Philippines will only be done by local mappers and not by
Facebook's map team.

Cheers,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Announcing the Tabang-AI initiative

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Hi Frederik,

On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 5:55 PM Frederik Ramm  wrote:

> do I understand correctly that you and your local partners aim to
> recruit new mappers to OSM, who will not learn the "old fashioned"
> workflow of tracing stuff from imagery by hand, but be mainly taught to
> work with pre-processed Facebook road data?
>

Not at all. We have no plans to teach new contributors to *only* contribute
using the RapiD editor or using FB-provided data. We simply want to
incorporate these road-detections as an optional complement to the
trainings and workshops that we have been conducting over the past decade.


> How will you ensure that your partners give those new mappers a training
> that is good enough to know when to *not* trust the pre-processed AI
> data? All too often people automatically assume that "the computer is
> always right", and this would be especially the case in a mapathon setup
> where time is limited. Will local new recruits be taught to amend the
> raw machine-generated data with their own knowledge, like street names,
> road classification, surface...?
>

We are all too aware of the limitations of AI/ML-derived data and so we
plan to stress that AI is not infallible and to always use one's best
judgement. We will provide examples of false positives and false negatives
to show that the data still needs human judgement.


> [...] How will you ensure that you do not generate more contributions than
> you can ensure the quality for?
>

We have already browsed through the road-detections data provided by
Facebook and based on our assessment, most of the country's roads have
actually already been mapped. So we are pretty confident that the local
community can properly review/validate contributions and that we won't be
overwhelmed. We also plan to use the tasks-assisted instance of the HOT
Tasking Manager to coordinate mapping and validation. We have done a pilot
of mapping using RapiD with a small province as a test[1] and we think this
process is feasible. In addition, we do not plan to initiate wholesale
mapping of the country with Facebook's AI-derived data. Our plan is to wait
for local mappers, local government units, or organizations to contact us
if they want to help complete the road network their local area. Only then
will we create tasks and provide trainings or workshops in case they need
it.

[1] https://tasks-assisted.hotosm.org/project/9

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[OSM-talk] Announcing the Tabang-AI initiative

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Hello!

The community of OSM mappers in the Philippines are pleased to announce an
initiative to use AI or machine learning (ML)-derived data to help improve
the coverage of OpenStreetMap in the Philippines and we are calling it
Tabang-AI. This is word play on the Cebuano word *tábangay* which means
"collaboration" or "teamwork". We believe that AI and ML, when used
properly, and always with local mappers leading the effort, is a fruitful
complement to conventional forms of mapping in OSM.

One of the first projects under this initiative is related to the AI road
detection technology developed by Facebook under their Map With AI service (
https://mapwith.ai/). We requested Facebook to run their machine learning
models in the Philippines and they have provided the detected road data
through their RapiD editor.

Together with various local partners (LGUs, NGOs, etc.) that we have forged
from the recent Pista ng Mapa conference[1] in Dumaguete, we plan to
promote baseline road mapping throughout the country to further increase
data coverage. This will be implemented in several phases to ensure that
the data added to OSM conforms to the defined quality standards outlined by
the local community.

You can read more about this Tabang-AI initiative on the OSM Wiki:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Philippines/Tabang-AI

If you are in the Philippines and want to start coordinating map tasks
within your community, please feel free to reply to this email, or sent a
private message to osm.pilipinas+aimappingrequ...@gmail.com or create a
GitHub ticket here: https://github.com/OSMPH/Tabang-AI/issues/new

[1] https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/GOwin/diary/390452

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[talk-ph] Announcing the Tabang-AI initiative

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Hello!

We are pleased to announce an initiative to use AI or machine learning
(ML)-derived data to help improve the coverage of OpenStreetMap in the
Philippines and we are calling it Tabang-AI. This is word play on on
Cebuano word *tábangay* which means "collaboration" or "teamwork". We
believe that AI and ML, when used properly, and always with the local
mappers leading the effort, is a fruitful complement to conventional forms
of mapping in OSM.

One of the first projects under this initiative is related to the AI road
detection technology developed by Facebook under their Map With AI (
https://mapwith.ai/) service. We requested Facebook to run their machine
learning models in the Philippines and they have provided the detected road
data through their RapiD editor.

Together with various local partners (LGUs, NGOs, etc.) that we have forged
from the recent Pista ng Mapa conference in Dumaguete, we plan to promote
baseline road mapping throughout the country to further increase data
coverage. This will be implemented in several phases to ensure that the
data added to OSM conforms to the defined quality standards outlined by the
local community.

You can read more about this initiative on the OSM Wiki:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Philippines/Tabang-AI

If you want to start coordinating map tasks within your community, please
feel free to reply to this email, or sent a private message to
osm.pilipinas+aimappingrequ...@gmail.com or create a GitHub ticket here:
https://github.com/OSMPH/Tabang-AI/issues/new

Happy mapping!
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Re: [OSM-talk] Survey on global and local communities in OpenStreetMap

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 10:55 PM marc marc  wrote:

> where are the results of the previous survey and the resulting actions
> available?
> I don't remember the exact title but I'm talking about the investigation
> about what osmf could/should do, a few months ago.
>

The OSMF Board published a blog post on the main OSM blog about the results
of that survey including some possible action items:
https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2019/06/13/surveying-openstreetmap/
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[talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Survey on global and local communities in OpenStreetMap

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

-- Forwarded message -
From: Dorothea Kazazi 
Date: Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 7:03 PM
Subject: [OSM-talk] Survey on global and local communities in OpenStreetMap
To: 


Hello,

The following survey on global and local communities in OpenStreetMap
was developed by board members. The survey is not quantitative and its
aim is to stimulate  discussions in local communities and at the Local
Chapters Congress at SotM.

https://osmf.limequery.org/428835

~ The survey will run for two weeks.
~ Only one question is mandatory: "How can we share your answers?".

There is more information on the scope of the survey and approach on the
opening page.

warm greetings,

Dorothea


~~
Links you can share for different languages:

English (Base language): https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=en
Chinese (Simplified): https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=zh-Hans
Chinese (Traditional; Hong Kong):
https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=zh-Hant-HK
French: https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=fr
German: https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=de
Hungarian: https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=hu
Italian: https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=it
Lithuanian: https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=lt
Persian: https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=fa
Portuguese (Brazilian): https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=pt-BR

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Re: [talk-ph] Potentially problematic edits

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Hi Andy,

Thank you for this notice. I have reverted the changeset you mentioned.
While I am a bit too far away to confirm on-the-ground, I have tried to
confirm or research online any news about any supposed "future expansion"
of the shopping mall including in real estate forums and I did not find any
news about any expansion plans (aside from an outdated news article back in
2012). This, together with the blocked user's habit of doing
unverified/wrong edits, means that we should revert their changes as a
precaution.

Regards,
Eugene


On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 9:00 PM Andy Townsend  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Do the changes in https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/71374826 look
> OK to everyone?  See
> http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=9248920 for
> previous comments on this user's changesets.  They're currently blocked
> until they engage with the community (or more likely, have created
> another sock-puppet account that hasn't been noticed yet).
>
> Various people within the community have reverted previous edits in the
> past; just checking whether this one needed to be done too.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Andy Townsend, on behalf of OSM's Data Working Group.
>
>
>
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[talk-ph] Pista ng Mapa 2019

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Hello all!

Are you a fan of open geo datasets and free and open-source geospatial
software and tools? Pista ng Mapa ("Feast of Maps"), the open mapping
conference in the Philippines, will be held at Foundation University,
Dumaguete this coming 1–3 August 2019. Registration is free! (Travel and
accommodations not included.)

Please register and reserve your slot here:
https://ti.to/PistaNgMapa/2019

We would like to thank our generous sponsors:
Kaart – http://kaartgroup.com/
Grab – https://www.grab.com/
Mapillary – https://www.mapillary.com/

We would also like to acknowledge the support of our host:
Foundation University – https://www.foundationu.com/

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Re: [OSM-talk] Terminate Facebook rights under ODbL (Andy Mabbett )

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 6:17 PM Nuno Caldeira 
wrote:

> [...] OSMF is the licensor [...]
>

Well, if we really want to be strict about it, AFAIK, Facebook did not get
their map data directly from OSMF but rather through Mapbox. Mapbox got
their data directly from OSMF and are re-releasing their OSM derivative
database and produced works as vector tiles and static map images via their
APIs and SDKs. This would mean that it is the responsibility of Mapbox to
notify Facebook that FB is not in compliance with the ODbL.

However, I really think it would be interesting to see if OSMF bypassing
Mapbox and directly contacting one of Mapbox's clients is a valid legal
avenue to pursue attribution violations.
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Re: [OSM-talk] Terminate Facebook rights under ODbL

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 4:47 PM Yves  wrote:

> I think a small '(c)OSM' for small screen web or app could be suggested as
> OK, what do you think?
>

Why not revive this dormant proposal for a small attribution logo that was
proposed 6 years ago:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/RFC_Attribution_Mark

If you have a small logo such as this (that would not look out of place
against similar logos like Google's, Mapbox's or Bing's), there is even
less reason not to attribute OSM.
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[talk-ph] OSMPH × GrabPH Mapathon 1

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Hello all,

Grab Philippines is hosting a free mapathon  at their office in Makati
on July 6, 2019, Saturday, from 1pm to 5pm in the afternoon.

Grab will be providing free food  and refreshments 磻 and they will also
have some giveaways. Also, participants who arrive on time (1pm ) will
get reward freebies!

As usual, this is a BYOD (bring your own device ) + mouse  event.

Please register and reserve your slot here:
https://ti.to/grabph-mapops/osm-x-grabph-mapathon-1

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[talk-ph] iD v2.15.0 has been released with a lot of new powerful features

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Hello all,

iD 2.15.0 has been released recently with a lot of really powerful new
features making it closer to JOSM in power. 

Here's a Twitter thread from Quincy Morgan, one of the main iD developers,
showing GIFs of these powerful new features, such as raw tag editing (so
you can now copy and paste tags!):
https://twitter.com/quincylvania/status/1130908735994585088

A full list of changes is here:
https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md#2150

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[talk-ph] HOT is looking for a PH Country Manager

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Just forwarding some information:

The Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team has recently posted a job opening for a
Country Manager to lead a 12-month project in the Philippines that will be
funded by USAID.

You can see the job description and info on how to apply here if you are
interested:
https://www.hotosm.org/jobs/country-manager-philippines/
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[talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Awards 2019 Call for Nominees is open!

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

-- Forwarded message -
From: Ilya Zverev 
Date: Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 5:26 AM
Subject: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Awards 2019 Call for Nominees is open!
To: Talk Openstreetmap 


Hi folks,

'Tis that time of the year: only a week until SotM Call for Papers
closes, and time to think not only of your talk, but to remember
everybody who has inspired you over the past year. We are preparing the
next installment of the OSM Awards: please help us collect a long list
of people worth honouring.

http://awards.osmz.ru

As always, please sumbit people and projects you have noticed to the
website. Do not choose between who to mention and who isn't "worthy":
this is a call for a long list, which will be shortened later by a
closed voting. You can nominate yourself. You can nominate a friend.
Please do. The only limitation is that the person or a project must have
done something public after the 1st of June 2018. Basically, in the past
year. A link would be great.

This year, there are some changes:

* Gone are the three regional categories. Sorry. On the other hand, I'm
happy to notice people from less represented countries being very active
in the community, and receiving awards in the general categories.

* Now only people are accepted to the six main categories. One or a
pair, real names or OSM nicknames: not teams and not companies. Please
google authors of the software you'd like to nominate (though if you
insist, we can do it ourselves).

* Teams, groups and companies go to a separate category: Team
Archievement Award. SotM organizing teams, Esri and like, JOSM
developers and groups like that, all go here. If you want to nominate a
single leader or a developer, consider other categories. If you want to
nominate a vague group of people who did something great, this is the
category.

The call for nominees ends in July. Which does not mean you can postpone
and eventually forget about the call. Please read the next WeeklyOSM
with the idea of nominating people in mind. Look at tools you use and
blogs you read. While saying thanks to a neighbouring mapper, consider
nominating them. By doing that, you validate their efforts and make
their year a little brighter. We all need that.

Please nominate: http://awards.osmz.ru

And if you have time, please contribute to the website translations:

https://www.transifex.com/openstreetmap/osm-awards/dashboard/


Ilya

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[talk-ph] Congratulations to the UP Resilience Institute YouthMappers!

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

The UP Resilience Institute YouthMappers received funding to help implement
their Bohol exposure data mapping from TELUS Philippines. 

More info here:
https://www.facebook.com/UPRIYouthMappers/posts/274609556753352
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[talk-ph] HOT Microgrant

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Congratulations to Action for Resilient Communities (ARC), a local
non-governmental organization, and JPCS - FEU Institute of Technology, a
local YouthMappers chapter, for being one of the communities selected for a
2019 microgrant from the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team! 

Read more about the proposed project as well as info on the other grantees
here:
https://www.hotosm.org/updates/eight-new-communities-selected-for-2019-hot-microgrants/
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[talk-ph] UP Resilience Institute YouthMappers received the 2019 Women's Participation Award

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

The YouthMappers chapter of the UP Resilience Institute has received the
2019 Women's Participation Award from the International YouthMappers
network for engaging through leadership and membership of a majority of
female student mappers into their YouthMappers chapter.

Link:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1651211105185394/permalink/2008886366084531/
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[talk-ph] Mapping the gaps in OpenStreetMap

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Thinking Machines, a Philippine data science services company, did an
analysis of where in the Philippines buildings are still missing by
comparing OSM data with the Facebook's population dataset:

https://stories.thinkingmachin.es/mapthegap

The provinces that are very complete are due to mapping in the wake of
disasters (like Typhoon Haiyan in 2013 and Typhoon Mangkhut in 2018) like
Leyte and Cagayan, and due to Project ISAIAH, the building mapping project
of NOAH, a government disaster analysis institution, like Cavite, Batangas,
and Zambales.
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[talk-ph] Thinking Machines' analysis of Metro Manila building completeness

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

For Open Data Day, Thinking Machines (a Philippine data science services
company)[1] did an analysis of building completeness in the Greater Manila
Area.[2]

They promise to put out a blog post soon to provide details of their
analysis and presumably their methodology.

Note: the DATOS project of DOST-ASTI is also capable of doing similar
analysis.

[1] https://thinkingmachin.es/
[2]
https://www.facebook.com/thinkdatasci/photos/a.1506878719632263/2286748648311929/
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Re: [OSM-talk] We need to have a conversation about attribution

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 8:06 PM Christoph Hormann  wrote:

> I cannot help pointing out that the EU commission is also responsible for
> one of the most ridiculous cases of improper attribution i have seen so far:
>
> https://scihub.copernicus.eu/dhus/
>

Well, OSM *is* attributed on the bottom-right corner of the map. The text
says: "Open Street: { Data © OpenStreetMap contributors, Rendering ©
MapServer and EOX}"

But the attribution font is so tiny that is is barely noticeable. There is
attribution, but it is debatable whether using a tiny font size makes the
attribution improper or ridiculous.
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Re: [OSM-talk] Bot edits on the OSM wiki

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

On Monday, February 25, 2019, Christoph Hormann  wrote:
> Now the question if aristocratic governance would be beneficial for the
> OSM wiki compared to the anarchy we currently have more or less is
> something i would be open to discuss.  But basing membership in the
> aristocratic class on the technical ability to develop and run bots is
> quite obviously a bad idea.

Being able to code need not result to a rise in an aristocratic wiki class.
While I know that some people here do not want the OSM community to emulate
some practices in the Wikipedia community, I would argue that Wikipedia's
policy of only allowing wiki bots to run with explicit approval and for
very specific tasks is something we should consider. This gives the power
back to the community to decide when and where wiki bots are allowed to
operate.

We already have this practice on the main OSM database itself with the
Automated Edits code of conduct and the Import Guidelines.
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Re: [talk-ph] Request clarification on access restrictions

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 3:56 PM Erwin Olario  wrote:

> destination - temporary access is given, until destination is reached
> (shared roads, in gated communities/subdivisions/estates)
>

I actually have a quibble with access=destination when tagged for roads
inside gated communities. Technically, residents or those who otherwise
have vehicular stickers can pass through the gated community if there are
more than 1 exits. Given that there exists a sophisticated router software,
a resident or sticker-holder should be able to pass through the gated
community maybe to avoid traffic in external roads without needing to
actually stop inside the gated community, which is what is implied by the
"destination" access.

An example of this case is the huge BF Homes Parañaque subdivision. Most
residents and those who have stickers often pass through the subdivision to
avoid traffic along Alabang-Zapote Road or Sucat Road. If you tag these
roads as access=destination, a router would not route through the
subdivision unless the destination is inside.

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Re: [talk-ph] Request for clarification on road tagging guidelines

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

On Mon, Jan 28, 2019, 7:12 PM grab osm via talk-ph <
talk-ph@openstreetmap.org wrote:

> But, how would we go about when we find a missing connector.  Will it be a
> good idea to tag it as highway = road?
>

Tag it with either the minor road type or the major link type. You can also
look at surrounding areas to see which tagging is usually used. Either
would be more correct than highway=road which is intended as just a
temporary value.

~Eugene

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Re: [talk-ph] Request for clarification on road tagging guidelines

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Hi Lavanya,

I personally would tag this the same as the side street and not the link
version of the major road.

My reason is: imagine if the side street actually goes through the major
road to the other side. To me it makes logical sense that the minor street
retains the characteristics such as name and type on its entire length and
not be suddenly interrupted just because it crosses a major street. I then
use the same logic even if the minor street ends on the major street like
in your example.

But I know that other people have different opinions on this and you can
see both types of tagging worldwide. I say just leave things as they are
and only change them if you have compelling reasons to do so such as local
road and traffic conditions. For example, if more drivers use this bit of
road to transfer between the major and minor road then tag it as minor. But
if more drivers use it to make u-turns on the major road then making it a
major link road makes sense.

~Eugene



On Mon, Jan 28, 2019, 11:45 AM grab osm via talk-ph <
talk-ph@openstreetmap.org wrote:

> Apologize Erwin.
>
> Here are the further details of our question.
>
> When a way segment that connects to a Major road, please suggest if the
> the connector should have same classification as the way segment or that of
> a Major Road with link attribute assigned
>
> Below is an example:
> [image: image]
> 
> Please suggest, if any further infirnation is needed.
>
> Thanks
> Lavanya
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Re: [OSM-talk] Looking for phot of mapping mappers

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 5:22 AM Christoph Hormann  wrote:

> I like in particular
>
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Guagua_ESSC-OSMPH_Training_field_survey.jpg
>

Thanks! Looking at this media page, I see that I only uploaded a
scaled-down version. Oops. I have now re-uploaded the full 12MP version of
the photo.

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Re: [talk-ph] Music Venues

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

I personally just tag the type of establishment and not really bother with
whether the place often has live bands or musicians. Usually it is
amenity=bar but could also be amenity=pub or amenity=nightclub.

On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 9:46 AM Jim Morgan  wrote:

> I've often thought it would be useful to be able to tag music venues, bars
> which have bands on, etc. I see there is a tag in the proposal stage. How
> are people in the OSM-PH community handling this, if at all?
>
> Jim
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Language used in OSM forum/wiki/mailing list

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 5:40 PM Naveen Francis 
wrote:

> Is there any policy on the language used in OSM talk/forum/wiki ?
> I was going through Thailand OSM forum
> .
> For a raising a concern we need not use abusive language.
> Users using abusive language should be warned, suspended or terminated
> depending on the degree of the abuse.
>

Hi Naveen,

There is no policy per se (as in something that is enforceable). But we do
have the following pseudo-guidelines that apply across all communication
channels hosted by the OSM Foundation:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Etiquette

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Re: [talk-ph] Grab in conflict with Thailand OSM community

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 3:25 PM Glen Scott  wrote:

> Is it a concern that they keep referring to Bing imagery "We will also
> use Bing imagery to ensure there are no missing roads". In the parts I've
> looked at, some roads on Bing just don't exist any more! Bing is good for
> coastline where there has been no human development, but not good for
> anything else. Using Bing imagery to check for roads will create the
> classic GPS nav problem - OLD DATA = WRONG WAY!
>

It is definitely a concern to use any old and outdated imagery, not just
Bing. But based on experience, Bing usually has the best alignment out of
all the available satellite imagery so it makes sense to refer to Bing (at
first). But any good remote mapper worth their salt should check other
imagery as well to (hopefully) avoid mapping outdated roads and features.
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Re: [talk-ph] Grab in conflict with Thailand OSM community

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Hi JP,

Grab/Global Logic's mapping team have reached out to the OSMPH community to
inform and coordinate with us their mapping efforts for the Metro
Manila[1][2], San Fernando[3], Binalonan[4] and Metro Cebu[5] areas. They
have also participated in the OSMPH and OSM Asia Telegram group chats to
ask quick questions. Based on spot checking of their work in the
Philippines, it seems that they are doing a good enough job with the
mapping of the road network.

[1]
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2018-August/006288.html
[2]
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2018-August/006291.html
[3]
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2018-August/006299.html
[4]
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2018-August/006300.html
[5]
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2018-October/006317.html

Regards,
Eugene


On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 7:22 AM JP Loh  wrote:

> Are there known incidents here?
>
> Techcrunch article:
> https://techcrunch.com/2018/12/19/grab-maps-osm-thailand-southeast-asia/
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Re: [OSM-talk] Grab using OSM Data for route preview

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

On Wednesday, December 19, 2018, Mishari Muqbil  wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
> Good news overall for the project I suppose, Grab (SE Asia's Uber) is
using data from OSM to do fare calculations as well as display route
previews in their app, making it a high profile use case for OSM Data. Now
if only they would attribute us.
>
> https://www.mishari.net/en/2018/12/grab-osm-data/

Hi Mishari,

I won't comment on whether the attribution to OSM is enough or not. That is
something that is for the OSMF Licencing Working Group to decide. Please
feel free to join the legal-talk mailing list[1] if you want to discuss the
lack of attribution further. But it is already known that Grab uses and
contributes to OSM.

Grab is a Gold Corporate Member of the OSM Foundation and they have a
representative on the Advisory Board by virtue of their Gold corporate
membership:
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Corporate_Members
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Advisory_Board

Grab has a dedicated mapping team helping to map and improve the road
network in urban areas where they operate. Their mapping process is
documented on the OSM Wiki and they keep track of their progress on GitHub:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Grab
https://github.com/GRABOSM/Grab-Data

And there has even been a recent article on Quartz on why Grab is doing
this:
https://qz.com/1481849/grab-southeast-asias-biggest-ride-hailing-firm-is-on-a-mapping-spree/

[1] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk

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Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Candidate's views? Re: Board decision on Crimea complaint

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 10:02 PM Imre Samu  wrote:

> TLDR:  We need focusing for the customizable vector tiles for the next
> year!(  Less community fighting - more working on the real problems!  )
>

Vector tiles and customizable styling is not enough. AFAIK, we never use
3rd-party data (except for the public domain Natural Earth data for the
lower zoom levels, IIRC) when rendering the default tile layer on the OSM.
So we still need to represent the various viewpoints on disputed borders
and territories within the OSM database itself if you want that level of
flexibility on the default tile layer(s). There are already a couple or so
threads on the Tagging mailing list discussing various tagging solutions
for representing these viewpoints and disputes.

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Re: [talk-ph] Bohol Panglao Airport

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

This has been mentioned on the OSMPH Telegram channel. Unfortunately, none
of the hi-res sat imagery has recent imagery of the airport. But somebody
has already mapped the basic stuff.

I think we can use Landsat or Sentinel-2 to add more rough details.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Sentinel-2

~Eugene

On Thu, Dec 6, 2018, 1:06 PM Jim Morgan  As I understand it, the Bohol Panglao Airport is now open, and has
> superceded Tagbilaran. As this is a fairly major bit of infrastructure,
> OpenStreetMap should probably be updated to include it, but the data seems
> a bit sparse right now. Does anyone have up to date imagery which could be
> used to fill out a few details? The available Bing imagery claims to be
> 2018, but just shows grassland.
>
> https://www.sunstar.com.ph/article/1776750
>
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[talk-ph] OSM Geography Awareness Week 2018

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Hello folks!

This week is [OSM] Geography Awareness Week[1] and we have two OSM-related
events coming up!

1. UP Resilience Institute GeoWeek Mapping Party 2018 - c/o UP Resilience
Institute, UPRI YouthMappers, and Map the Philippines
When: November 14, 2018 from 2:00pm to 6:00pm
Where: NIGS AVR, UP Diliman
Sign-up: https://www.facebook.com/events/191096811771780/

2. Mapa Mindanao - c/o Philippine Red Cross, MapAmore, The Asia Foundation
When: November 17, 2018 from 9:00am to 6:00pm
Where: Co.Lab, 3 Brixton Street, Kapitolyo, Pasig
Sign-up: Contact Mikko Tamura @ 09052320416 or mikko.tam...@gmail.com

Mapa Mindanao will also have a 2nd session on November 24.

[1] http://osmgeoweek.org/
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[talk-ph] (no subject)

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Hello all,

I'm forwarding this message posted by the Grab OSM team. You can see the
referred document in the message on GitHub here:
https://github.com/GRABOSM/Grab-Data/issues/19#issuecomment-410603506

~Eugene


> Good Morning All,
>
> Firstly, we would like to sincerly thank Erwin and Rally for the detailed
> explanation on how to use offset database.
>
> A quick clarification of the objects we mentioned in our github issue
> page. Before we started to work on Metro Manila, a note was posted in PH
> facebook page in the intent to get help from local community on any specifc
> policies to be followed, offset distance to be maintained etc. Alvin from
> the community made a point that there was a significant contribution made
> by Kaart team in the same area, so, we wanted to evaluate the city and
> understand if we want to continue working on Metro Manila or not.
>
> Two categories of objects were mentioned in the page -
> - missing roads - way id or node id mentioned here are the ids of roads
> nearby to the missing roads.
> - classification gaps - example objects with incorrect classifications.
>
> Hence these objects posted in our github page are only examples of missing
> roads and classification gaps we found in the sample areas we investigated
> and does not comprise the entire work we intend to do in the city.
>
> As suggested by Erwin, to further clarify what do we mean by
> classification gaps we tried to explain a handful of instances so that we
> can explain our project to the community better.
>
> Here is the document with examples.
>
> Local mappers have been of great help and support and we will ensure to
> continue producing high quality maps within our scope.
>
> Thanks
> Lavanya
> Grab Team
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Wikimedia Maps deployment

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 2:50 PM, Daniel Koć  wrote:

> It's also good that they were able to deploy multiple language versions
> - we would hit this problem anyway, sooner or later, and I hope that
> eventually we will be able to provide them too.
>

FWIW, multi-language maps is one of the Top Ten Tasks defined by the
Engineering Working Group of the OSM Foundation.
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Top_Ten_Tasks#Localized_map_rendering

There's also the ongoing thread on this same mailing list:
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2018-April/080560.html
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[talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] New MapRoulette version

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

-- Forwarded message --
From: Martijn van Exel 
Date: Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 1:44 AM
Subject: [OSM-talk] New MapRoulette version
To: OSM Talk 


Hi all,

MapRoulette v3 is now in public beta. I wrote a diary highlighting the main
new features. Please give it a try and let me know what you think about it.
Thanks!

Diary: https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/mvexel/diary/43596
Link to beta: http://maproulette.org/mr3
Github repo: https://github.com/maproulette/maproulette3
OSM wiki (still need to update): https://wiki.openstreetmap.
org/wiki/MapRoulette

--
  Martijn van Exel
  m...@rtijn.org

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[talk-ph] Proposed worldwide import of gasoline stations (amenity=fuel) from the NavAds dataset

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Hello,

Ilya Zverev (one of the main developers of MAPS.ME
) is proposing to
import data for gasoline stations worldwide from the NavAds database. The
dataset currently has around 700 stations in the Philippines and it would
be great if we can validate/inspect the data and see if it is good for
importing into OSM.

More details here:
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/imports/2018-March/005404.html


~Eugene
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Re: [talk-ph] Open Data Day 2018

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Hello all,

Last Saturday, March 3, we successfully celebrated Open Data Day at the PUP
San Juan Campus. Thank you to everybody who attended and celebrated Open
Data Day with us! Here are links and photos from the event:

OSM user diary entries from Erwin and Angelica:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/GOwin/diary/43444
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/GellieA/diary/43436

Photos in Erwin's album:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/5jIsydyjQOl03S1K2

Photos at the OSM Wiki:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Open_Data_Day_2018_(Philippines)

~Eugene
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[talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-dev] iD news - v2.7.0, new imagery, upgraded turn restriction editor

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

-- Forwarded message --
From: Bryan Housel 
Date: Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 4:52 AM
Subject: [OSM-dev] iD news - v2.7.0, new imagery, upgraded turn restriction
editor
To: osm-dev 


Hey everyone, I just released iD v2.7.0 and it’s now available for editing
on openstreetmap.org


* Release Highlights*
*•  We've added support for more background imagery from WMS servers. *
Thanks Martin Raifer and Guillaume Rischard for your work on this..

*Press B to open the Background pane and see if new imagery is available in
your area.*
*• ↪️ The turn restriction editor just got a big update!*
• Include nearby connected roads (with configurable distance)
• Hover over a from way to see which paths are restricted or allowed
• Add restrictions that span one or more via ways (e.g. divided highway
u-turns)
• Add `only_` turn restrictions (e.g. only straight on)
• View popup help for more information about working with turn restrictions
*Try selecting a junction node in a complex intersection, editing turn
restrictions, and viewing the popup help.*

And as always, many more presets, bugfixes, and performance improvements.


*Developers, we need your help!*
We’re starting to add Flow annotations to iD’s source code.  Flow is a
type-checking system to help catch common errors in JavaScript code (an
untyped language).  If you’re interested in learning about the iD internals
or want to learn Flow, please help out!  This is a great task for anyone,
from beginners to experts.  Check out this GitHub issue for more info:
https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/3744#issuecomment-370300570


*Changelog:*
https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md#270

*Twitter:*
v2.7.0, turn restrictions:   https://twitter.com/bhousel/
status/970668042966523904
Request for help, Flow annotations:  https://twitter.com/bhousel/
status/970505437526286336

*Reddit:*
https://www.reddit.com/r/openstreetmap/comments/829591/
id_editor_v270_released_and_available_on/


Follow and star the iD project on GitHub to show your support:
https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD
And follow me on Twitter https://twitter.com/bhousel for the latest iD
news.

Thank you!
❤️ Bryan, and the rest of the  team.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Donation from the Pineapple Fund

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 8:21 PM, Dave F  wrote:

> I've very little knowledge or even interest in Bitcoin, but was it
> converted into hard currency? If not, is it worth much now?
>
> DaveF
>

Per Frederik's (OSMF Treasurer) email on the OSMF mailing list in January,
all of the donated bitcoins should have already been converted to British
pounds:
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2018-January/005009.html

However, I am not sure how much pounds it all was converted into eventually.
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[OSM-talk] SharedStreets open platform is built on top of OSM

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

I came across this article describing SharedStreets which is intended to be
an open platform for city governments and private entities like Uber to
share street-related data like traffic data, taxi/cab pickup points, and
the like. The chief architect for SharedStreets says: "What GTFS does for
transit, we’re doing for streets."

https://www.citylab.com/transportation/2018/02/a-powerful-map-promises-to-help-cities-keep-streets-free/553739/

Here's the SharedStreets website:
http://sharedstreets.io/

And it links to the SharedStreets GitHub repository which explains the
technical details.
https://github.com/sharedstreets/sharedstreets-ref-system

It seems that they can ingest OSM (or another set of geodata) to generate
an abstracted topology of the street network based on street intersections
and the street segments connecting them.

Here is their FAQ with respect to OSM:

*How does this relate to OpenStreetMap? (Or, doesn't OSM already do this?)*
>
> SharedStreets complements OpenStreetMap. OSM does not attempt to provide
> stable IDs, and complex OSM ways make many applications difficult to build
> using raw OSM data.
>
> SharedStreets provides a layer of abstraction on top of OSM, allowing
> users to work with the topology of OpenStreetMaps data without dealing with
> the details how OSM ways are encoded.
>
> By providing direct references to OSM way and node IDs users can always
> query and relate SharedStreets references back to the underlying OSM data
> where needed.
>
> We believe that SharedStreets will allow users to more rapidly improve
> OpenStreetMap data by making it easier to identify missing streets, or
> opportunities to improve street geometry and connectivity.
>
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Re: [talk-ph] Open Data Day 2018

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Hello all,

Open Data Day is less than two weeks away! If you are interested in
attending our local event here in Metro Manila, please don't forget to
register here: https://ti.to/mapamore/odd2018

See you there!

~Eugene

On Feb 2, 2018 1:42 PM, "Erwin Olario" <gov...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you for sharing, Eugene.
>
> The venue is PUP San Juan Campus: https://osm.org/go/4zhSCc4Rs--?m=
>
> On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 9:15 AM Eugene Alvin Villar <sea...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> You are invited to celebrate the international Open Data Day 2018 on
>> March 3, Saturday! We will have an afternoon event in San Juan, Metro
>> Manila (venue TBA) and this is organized by Erwin as part of his MapAm❤re
>> Initiative.
>>
>> Registration is free. Just head over here to get your free ticket:
>> https://ti.to/mapamore/odd2018
>>
>> See you all!
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk] "The Future of Free and Open-Source Maps" Slashdot.org , Saturday February 17, 2018

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 9:53 PM, john whelan  wrote:

> Possibly a technical working group to identify areas that could be
> improved or even if we were to start over again how would we do it from a
> technical point of view?  Funding would be a different problem.
>

I believe the now-defunct Strategic Working Group (
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Strategic_Working_Group) is what you
are looking for?

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[talk-ph] Upcoming State of the Map 2018 deadlines

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

If you are planning to attend the international State of the Map 2018 in
Milan, Italy, here are some upcoming deadlines this week:

Deadline for scholarship/grant applications is on February 14, Wednesday.
You can apply here:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSc74cVYqqhsnmkEu7hVFHKfy3w2FcLR74hJ2EbyDhK9ePNkDg/viewform

Deadline for submissions for talks/presentations/sessions is on February
18, Sunday. You can submit here:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScM9lUg8Z-qUpqcOcWzD1MpV708PPIl82hgdARECz1D_7sMbA/viewform
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[talk-ph] Open Data Day 2018

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Hello all,

You are invited to celebrate the international Open Data Day 2018 on March
3, Saturday! We will have an afternoon event in San Juan, Metro Manila
(venue TBA) and this is organized by Erwin as part of his MapAm❤re
Initiative.

Registration is free. Just head over here to get your free ticket:
https://ti.to/mapamore/odd2018

See you all!

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[talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] iD news - v2.6.0 lots of new features...

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

-- Forwarded message --
From: "Bryan Housel" 
Date: Jan 23, 2018 12:48 AM
Subject: [OSM-talk] iD news - v2.6.0 lots of new features...
To: "osm-talk" 
Cc:

Happy 2018!  I just released iD v2.6.0 yesterday..


*  Release Highlights*

-   *You can now adjust imagery brightness, contrast, saturation, and
sharpness.*
(Not currently available in Internet Explorer or Edge)
*Try enhancing the background imagery by opening the Background pane
(shortcut “B") and adjusting the slider controls.*

-  * iD will now prevent users from drawing many self-crossing lines and
areas*.
See issue https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/4646 for examples and
more info.
You can override these checks by holding down the Alt/Option key while
drawing.

- ↕️  *Features with a direction-type tag will display view cones
indicating the directions they face. *
This is useful for mapping features like street signs, traffic signals,
billboards, security cameras, and more.

-   *Transit-related presets have been updated to support Public
Transport v2 tagging schema. *
Many presets have new icons too, to better match the mode of transport
(tram, light rail, trolleybus, etc.)
*Try mapping some transit platforms, stations, stop positions, etc.*

-   *We've completely refreshed the in-app Help content in iD. *
Huge thanks to Manfred Brandl, Minh Nguyễn, and our many volunteers on
Transifex for their work on this!
*Check out the new help texts by opening the Help pane (shortcut "H").*


There are many many more presets, usability improvements, and bug fixes
included too.
I’m really proud of the work we’ve been able to roll into this release, and
I hope everyone takes a look at the changelog.
About 20 people contributed pull requests, many of them are first time
contributors:  Thank you!  


*Changelog:*
   https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md#260

*Twitter:*
   v2.6.0, Imagery sliders:  https://twitter.com/bhousel/
status/955146596211150852
   New Help content:  https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/955148340857065472

*Reddit:*
   https://www.reddit.com/r/openstreetmap/comments/7s2m3g/
id_editor_v260_released_and_available_on/


As always, follow me on Twitter https://twitter.com/bhousel for the latest
iD news.  2018 will be a great year!

Thank you!
❤️ Bryan, and the rest of the  team.


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Re: [talk-ph] Pasay Boundary

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

The border east of Roxas Boulevard is well attested. See for example this
map of Barangay 1 in Pasay,[1] and this map of Manila.[2]

What's not exactly clear though is the border west of Roxas Boulevard. I
once read an article about a court case wherein Pasay and Manila were
disputing to which city a floating restaurant that was moored north of the
CCP Complex owed it business taxes to. The court case decided that the
border cuts through CCP and the Folk Arts Theater. Basically, just extend
the border in a straight line from before the CCP Complex land was
reclaimed. So we are following the border as shown for this map of Barangay
76 in Pasay.[3]


[1] http://www.pasay.gov.ph/Barangay/barangay-001.jpg
[2] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4c/Unofficial_Manila_Map.jpg
[3] http://www.pasay.gov.ph/Barangay/barangay-076.jpg

On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 6:04 PM, Jim Morgan  wrote:

> The northernmost boundary of Pasay doesn't look right to me
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/113858#map=15/14.
> 5533/120.9955
>
> Most of the rest of it is following roads, rivers, coast etc, but it looks
> like this doesn't follow anything in particular.
>
> Jim
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Re: [OSM-talk] Support OSM communities and disaster response this holiday season (by 31 Dec)

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 2:44 AM, Christoph Hormann  wrote:

> On Thursday 14 December 2017, Tyler Radford wrote:
> > [...] big-impact projects conceptualized by OSM community leaders.
>
> I had hoped that HOT learned from the tasking manager problem a few
> months back that properly referring to OSM in a way that clarifies the
> difference between HOT and OSM is important.  The above indicates this
> hope was in vain.
>
> By saying your microgrant projects are "conceptualized by OSM community
> leaders" you imply support and endorsement from the OSM community and
> draw legitimacy from this for what from my perspective seems to be a
> program with completely intransparent decision making processes.  You
> also imply the existence of a hierarchy in OSM of leaders and followers
> which is not an accurate representation of the reality of OSM either.
>
> There is nothing wrong with supporting mapping projects with money, even
> if the criteria for that are unclear and subjective but you should not
> present this as if this financing is somehow integrated into and
> supervised by the OSM community.
>

Christoph, it's no secret that you are quite skeptical about HOT and wary
of their influence on the wider OSM community, but I think you are letting
your views color any communication from HOT in a negative light.

I'm not sure if you are aware of how the microgrant system is run, but
local OSM communities, such as OSM Zambia, submit grant proposals which are
then selected by HOT. This is what is meant by Tyler when he wrote "OSM
community leaders". These are basically the "leaders" (in the broadest
sense of the word) of local communities who do the work of actually
conceptualizing/writing a grant proposal. Hence, "projects conceptualized
by OSM community leaders".

And surely saying that the decision-making process is "completely
intransparent" is just being plain lazy. Here are several blog posts and
documents providing quite a bit of detail into the process and results that
can be reached with just a couple minutes of Googling:

https://www.hotosm.org/updates/2016-12-06_funds_for_community_led_projects_the_2017_hot_microgrants_program
https://www.hotosm.org/updates/2017-02-02_hot_microgrants_programme_launches_0
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SVI_wxf0CbZ2pOOf8kuqREkZwvmxmSTp9i3jbHsBkCo/edit
https://www.hotosm.org/updates/2017-04-20_hot_microgrants_2017_results
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[talk-ph] Fwd: [Tagging] iD news: v2.5.0, OpenStreetCam, and request for translation help..

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

-- Forwarded message --
From: Bryan Housel 
Date: Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 10:35 PM
Subject: [Tagging] iD news: v2.5.0, OpenStreetCam, and request for
translation help..


Happy December!  We have lots moving in the iD editor project.

*  OpenStreetCam*

Last month, I released *iD v2.5.0* (November 10, 2017), which includes
support for *OpenStreetCam*.  If you haven’t tried it yet, you should
really check out how easy it is to work with street level imagery in iD.

Read more here:
https://blog.mapbox.com/openstreetcam-support-for-the-
id-editor-12934de61fa

Please share:
https://twitter.com/Mapbox/status/931288819277578240
https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/929116316614692864


*‍ New Help text coming soon*

I recently merged a big pull request to iD, contributed by Manfred Brandl,
to overhaul the internal help texts.  The good news is that it
replaces those giant blocks of markdown text with short headings and texts
which will be much easier to translate and maintain going forward.  The bad
news is that it means all of that old help text needs to be translated
again…

*If you can translate, I need your help!*

You don’t need to be a programmer - if you speak another language in
addition to English, you can do this!  Please log into the iD project on
Transifex, https://www.transifex.com/openstreetmap/id-editor/dashboard/ and
check the languages that are available for translation.  And share this
info with *anyone* who you know that might want to get involved!

Please share:
https://twitter.com/bhousel/status/933778248105910272


As always, follow me on Twitter https://twitter.com/bhousel for the latest
iD news.  More great features coming soon...

Thank you!
❤️ Bryan, and the rest of the  team.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Planned rendering changes of protected areas

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 8:58 AM, Paul Johnson  wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 6:05 PM, ajt1...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> On 30/11/2017 13:46, Daniel Koć wrote:
>>
>>> 1. Currently leisure=nature_reserve (old scheme) and boundary=* (new
>>> scheme) are frequently tagged in parallel, and it looks like the old scheme
>>> is used as a hack just to make it visible on default map.
>>>
>>
>> Just to chuck one example in - I've tagged lots of
>> "leisure=nature_reserve" and almost no "boundary=protected_area;
>> protect_class=XYZ".  The reason is simple - nature reserves where I'm
>> likely to be mapping often have a sign saying "XYZ nature reserve".  There
>> isn't going to be a sign helping me work out what "protect_class" in OSM it
>> is, so that doesn't get mapped.  It's also nothing to do with "what gets
>> rendered"; I actually render my own maps and map quite a lot of stuff that
>> isn't displayed there :)
>>
>
> Seems like it wouldn't be too difficult to consider the two as equivalent.
>

Not exactly. Some protected areas are cultural/social/heritage protected
areas. Specifically those tagged with protect_class=21 to 29.
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Re: [talk-ph] Strava Heatmap

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

On Nov 21, 2017 4:52 PM, "Jim Morgan" <j...@datalude.com> wrote:

Eugene Alvin Villar wrote on Tuesday, 21 November, 2017 01:52 PM:
> I find it more useful for aligning imagery. :)

Interesting. I know how to align the background imagery in OSM to the GPS
traces within OSM. But how would you do it using an external source like
this? Just in case I need it sometime ...


In JOSM, you can load the Strava layer as a secondary background layer. You
can then adjust the primary imagery layer (Bing, DigitalGlobe, Mapbox,
etc.) in the usual fashion. Just enable the Strava imagery in the imagery
preferences to include it in your preferred imagery list.

Not sure how to do this in iD or Potlatch. AFAIK, these only allow one
background imagery at a time.

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[talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Directed Editing Policy

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

The OSMPH community has done a lot of "directed editing" activities and
events in the past so the following forwarded announcement is relevant to
us.

Comments and suggestions are welcome and we will try to relay these to the
Foundation.
-- Forwarded message --
From: "Frederik Ramm" 
Date: Nov 22, 2017 2:38 AM
Subject: [OSM-talk] Directed Editing Policy
To: "Talk Openstreetmap" 
Cc:

I posted this announcement to osmf-talk 16 hours ago, where a little
> discussion has already taken place. It has been pointed out to me that
> it doesn't make sense to involve those who are not members in the
> initial survey, but then cut them out later, so here's the announcement
> below (even though, in the end, this is going to be a policy that the
> OSMF board decides on). As always, discussing this on both lists at the
> same time is going to be awkward but everyone should get a chance to
> comment. If you have something to say, please do check the existing
> thread on
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2017-
> November/004352.html
> so that we don't unnecessarily duplicate things.
>
> ---
>
> Hi,
>
>the DWG has prepared a policy on "Directed Editing" (former working
> title "Organised Editing Policy"). Read it here:
>
> https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Directed_Editing_Policy
>
> The policy picks up (but doesn't slavishly follow) the results of our
> survey, where it became obvious that transparency and communications are
> what mappers find most important about organised mapping efforts. The
> policy replaces the somewhat fuzzy terms of "paid" and "organised"
> editing with the concept of "directed editing", which is essentially
> when you're required to edit OSM (because of work, a school assignment
> etc) and/or when you're told by others exactly what and how to map.
>
> The DWG is interested in feedback on this proposal. Are you currently
> involved in some form of editing that would be covered by the policy?
> Does the policy present an unnecessary obstacle for some activities? If
> you have witnessed organised mapping efforts that caused problems -
> would these problems have been avoided if people had adhered to the
> proposed policy?
>
> Bye
> Frederik
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