Re: [OSM-talk] Jerusalem name tag - Mediation

2011-10-19 Thread dimka israeli
I'm not arguing there shouldn't be a standard, but I am pointing out OSM is hardly consistent. Question is, can we remove some of the inconsistency by introducing new tags? If no, then Serge's suggestion (without the additional tags) seems to be in line with current OSM practice. Dmitry

Re: [OSM-talk] Jerusalem name tag - Mediation

2011-10-18 Thread Claudius
Am 16.10.2011 03:47, dimka israeli: I repeat, the only way, according to current OSM schema as I understand it, to represent the above point of view is a node in Hebrew, place=city, capital=yes, is_in=Israel. Arabic *and* Hebrew are the official languages of Israel. You can see that also the

Re: [OSM-talk] Jerusalem name tag - Mediation

2011-10-18 Thread dimka israeli
Arabic *and* Hebrew are the official languages of Israel. You can see that also the Jerusalem Municipality website is in Arabic and Hebrew ( English) [1]. Hebrew is locally considered to be the primary language. While Arabic is also an official one, Hebrew clearly takes precedence. The

Re: [OSM-talk] Jerusalem name tag - Mediation

2011-10-18 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 4:09 PM, dimka israeli dimka.isr...@hotmail.co.il wrote: There will be two nodes: Node 1: name=ירושלים name:en=Jerusalem place=city capital=yes is_in=Israel Node 2: name=القُدس name:en=East Jerusalem place=city capital=yes

Re: [OSM-talk] Jerusalem name tag - Mediation

2011-10-18 Thread dimka israeli
I'd suggest we remove the capital: tags (too controversial, and I've removed them from the quotes) , and then I think this is perfect. In that case, what is the meaning of capital=yes in OSM? ___ talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Jerusalem name tag - Mediation

2011-10-18 Thread John Harvey
Like all things OSM, there are at least three answers - what the wiki says, what plant.osm has and how renders behave. A few examples from planet.osm: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/256423505 Name = Nicosia, capital = yes, is_in = Cyprus Northern Cypress also claims this as a

Re: [OSM-talk] Jerusalem name tag - Mediation

2011-10-15 Thread dimka israeli
On 01/-10/-28163 09:59 PM, Andy Robinson wrote: Some feedback from local mappers regarding way's vs node's for the E/W parts of the city would be helpful here. Andy, first of all I think you could have been a little bit more responsive during all this time. You didn't even try to get a

Re: [OSM-talk] Jerusalem name tag - Mediation

2011-10-11 Thread Andy Robinson
Paul Norman [mailto:penor...@mac.com] wrote: Sent: 08 October 2011 20:12 To: 'Andrew Guertin'; talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Jerusalem name tag - Mediation -Original Message- From: Andrew Guertin [mailto:andrew.guer...@uvm.edu] Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Jerusalem

Re: [OSM-talk] Jerusalem name tag - Mediation

2011-10-11 Thread Andy Robinson
Andrew Guertin [mailto:andrew.guer...@uvm.edu] wrote: Sent: 07 October 2011 17:08 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Jerusalem name tag - Mediation On 10/07/2011 11:40 AM, Andy Robinson wrote: I'm going to suggest the latter, three nodes as follows: [...] Any solution

Re: [OSM-talk] Jerusalem name tag - Mediation

2011-10-08 Thread Lambert Carsten
Hi, This proposal is well considered and it could work in my view. Even though it's a compromise (vs. solution) in the sense that it solves a rendering 'problem', it doesn't compromise the tagging rules/principles to that end. Of course it's the local mapping community that will have to make the

Re: [OSM-talk] Jerusalem name tag - Mediation

2011-10-08 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Andy Robinson [mailto:ajrli...@gmail.com] Verzonden: Friday, October 07, 2011 5:40 PM Aan: talk@openstreetmap.org CC: d...@osmfoundation.org Onderwerp: [OSM-talk] Jerusalem name tag - Mediation In addition to the talk list and the DWG this email is being sent to those who

Re: [OSM-talk] Jerusalem name tag - Mediation

2011-10-08 Thread Simon Poole
While I would (naturally) support developing better multiple-language support for maps rendered from our data, I am very very opposed to providing every- body with their comfy virtual world view. OSM is about mapping facts, and the fact is that disputed areas are -disputed-. Finding a clear

Re: [OSM-talk] Jerusalem name tag - Mediation

2011-10-08 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
)104152426 F 31(0)104154953  Before printing, think about the environment. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Simon Poole [mailto:si...@poole.ch] Verzonden: Saturday, October 08, 2011 1:39 PM Aan: talk@openstreetmap.org Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-talk] Jerusalem name tag - Mediation While I would

Re: [OSM-talk] Jerusalem name tag - Mediation

2011-10-08 Thread Paul Norman
-Original Message- From: Andrew Guertin [mailto:andrew.guer...@uvm.edu] Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Jerusalem name tag - Mediation On 10/07/2011 11:40 AM, Andy Robinson wrote: I'm going to suggest the latter, three nodes as follows: [...] Any solution should probably apply

Re: [OSM-talk] Jerusalem name tag - Mediation

2011-10-08 Thread Russ Nelson
Ian writes: we are here to create map *data* for the world. The slippy map sitting at openstreetmap.org is a tool to achieve that goal, not the end goal itself. Here, here! Maybe, towards that end, we should remove the slippy map from the front page, and instead have a list of pointers to

Re: [OSM-talk] Jerusalem name tag - Mediation

2011-10-08 Thread Stefan de Konink
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Op 08-10-11 23:10, Russ Nelson schreef: That will make it clear that anybody who wants to argue with how the map is rendered should be talking to the people who render *that* map, and not be looking at the tags. Or maybe this just opens

[OSM-talk] Jerusalem name tag - Mediation

2011-10-07 Thread Andy Robinson
In addition to the talk list and the DWG this email is being sent to those who have edited the name tag on node 29090735. Those reading the mailing list and forum will know that there is an on-going dispute between Israeli and Palestinian folks as well as unhappiness with the OSMF DWG. All

Re: [OSM-talk] Jerusalem name tag - Mediation

2011-10-07 Thread Ian
Can we take a step back and view this in the context of other discussions about the viability of a map directly on http://openstreetmap.org/? As a community we've become more sensitive to the fact that visitors coming to openstreetmap will see the map and think that the project is meant to

Re: [OSM-talk] Jerusalem name tag - Mediation

2011-10-07 Thread Andrew Guertin
On 10/07/2011 11:40 AM, Andy Robinson wrote: I'm going to suggest the latter, three nodes as follows: [...] Any solution should probably apply to relations as well as nodes (or instead of nodes, if I had my way). See also http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/131585141 with a creation date of