Re: [talk-au] Adelaide out of copyright street directory

2009-01-17 Thread Cameron
All, The directory is now available at http://www.osmaustralia.org/gregorysmaps.php Thanks to Matt White (Gaffa) for the hosting! It's a great resource for naming streets traced from Yahoo. When doing so, please tag your work as source = Gregory's 1949 (or more commonly, source:name = Gregory's

Re: [talk-au] Adelaide out of copyright street directory

2009-01-17 Thread Darrin Smith
On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 22:32:12 +1030 Cameron osm-mailing-li...@justcameron.com wrote: All, The directory is now available at http://www.osmaustralia.org/gregorysmaps.php Thanks to Matt White (Gaffa) for the hosting! It's a great resource for naming streets traced from Yahoo. When doing

Re: [talk-au] Adelaide out of copyright street directory

2009-01-17 Thread Cameron
I think that's an advertisement ;) ~Cameron 2009/1/17 Darrin Smith bel...@beldin.org On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 22:32:12 +1030 Cameron osm-mailing-li...@justcameron.com wrote: All, The directory is now available at http://www.osmaustralia.org/gregorysmaps.php Thanks to Matt White (Gaffa)

Re: [talk-au] Adelaide out of copyright street directory

2009-01-17 Thread Nick Hocking
Encouraging on a quality contol level HI Darren, Please excuse me for taking your quote a bit out of context but My concern is if someone traces a road from Yahoo, and then it gets tagged from a source other than the street signs then the road is complete but has never been surveyed. Yahoo

[talk-au] A Tale of two Mappers

2009-01-17 Thread Nick Hocking
Mapper 1: - Any data is better than no data Mapper 2: - No Data is better than wrong data ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] Adelaide out of copyright street directory

2009-01-17 Thread info
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 09:21:02 +1000 (EST) i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: Nick, My worry with the Old map + yahoo combo is that some armchair mappers may over-ride existing surveyed data (I've already seen surveyed stuff over-ridden by someone looking at yahoo a few times) maybe even as far as

Re: [talk-au] Adelaide out of copyright street directory

2009-01-17 Thread Darrin Smith
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 09:36:43 +1000 (EST) i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 09:21:02 +1000 (EST) i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: Nick, My worry with the Old map + yahoo combo is that some armchair mappers may over-ride existing surveyed data (I've already seen surveyed stuff

Re: [talk-au] Adelaide out of copyright street directory

2009-01-17 Thread Liz
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009, i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: This is really simple. If the source=survey don't change it unless you have resurveyed it. Under no circumstances change source=survey data with traced data. It is simple, but there are mappers who have done so. Then if someone has not marked

Re: [talk-au] Adelaide out of copyright street directory

2009-01-17 Thread info
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009, i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: This is really simple. If the source=survey don't change it unless you have resurveyed it. Under no circumstances change source=survey data with traced data. It is simple, but there are mappers who have done so. Then if someone has not marked

Re: [talk-au] Adelaide out of copyright street directory

2009-01-17 Thread Liz
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009, i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: My thoughts on this is if it's not tagged then it's not surveyed. Cheers Ross Initially I didn't tag my surveyed stuff as source=survey There is just so much to learn about what really needs to be recorded, and I once thought that unmarked stuff

Re: [talk-au] Adelaide out of copyright street directory

2009-01-17 Thread info
I have since been tagging very extensively with source. I only trace stuff like rivers, canals and railways that I am not going to be travelling down. Like wise. Maybe there needs to be some thought put into the osm side of things about survey being a required tag. ie the editors (josm etc)

Re: [talk-au] Adelaide out of copyright street directory

2009-01-17 Thread Nick Hocking
There is a substantial amount of data with no source tag. I'd really like to know whether it was traced or surveyed, because then I'd know whether to go down that street or not. Liz, I think there was a recent discussion about this and there was a school of thought that said that if there were

Re: [talk-au] Adelaide out of copyright street directory

2009-01-17 Thread Liz
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009, Nick Hocking wrote: Eventually someone may use these traces without  knowing if I was actually driving on the road the whole time. Or carried the gps with you on a side trek into the bushes for nature's call :-) ___ Talk-au

Re: [talk-au] Adelaide out of copyright street directory

2009-01-17 Thread Nick Hocking
Or carried the gps with you on a side trek into the bushes for nature's call Ok how about amenity=toilets permanent=no PS - there have been some interersting discussions about tempory features like Black Rock City (Burning Man). Also should OSM have historical data (as either seperate

Re: [talk-au] Adelaide out of copyright street directory

2009-01-17 Thread bluemm1975-osm
--- On Sun, 18/1/09, i...@4x4falcon.com i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: source=* is different, since just because you tweak a few road bends from a GPS track doesn't mean it wasn't derived from Yahoo tracing. I'd suggest source=yahoo;gps in that case. Of course I'm not a copyright lawyer, but

Re: [talk-au] Adelaide out of copyright street directory

2009-01-17 Thread Liz
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008, Cameron wrote: I have recently been into the SA state library and found an out of copyright SA street directory (from the 40s.) They had both Fuller's and Gregory's directories but the Gregory's were far easier to read and thus, to copy. Important matter on copyright