Re: [talk-au] Fwd: license change map

2010-11-30 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Sat, 27 Nov 2010 20:42:01 +1100 Elizabeth Dodd wrote: > Let's talk real advice, from the old white haired lady, who has been > on non-profit Boards and for-profit Boards over the last 15 years. Just published is this guide from the Institute of Directors and some others, for UK registered unl

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: license change map

2010-11-28 Thread Mike Dupont
On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 11:40 PM, Neal Schulz wrote: > Hi, > >>In any case, "candidates welcome" was a ridiculous comment. > > I agree with this... If the only way to give feedback to an organisation is > to run for a position... well it's a ridiculous notion. > > I have been trying to stay out o

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: license change map

2010-11-28 Thread Neal Schulz
Hi, >In any case, "candidates welcome" was a ridiculous comment. I agree with this... If the only way to give feedback to an organisation is to run for a position... well it's a ridiculous notion. I have been trying to stay out of the licensing issue because I really don't understand the deta

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: license change map

2010-11-28 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 6:02 AM, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: > I can see the legal line of thought for paying to belong to a company / > organisation. I can too. Annual membership dues provide a mechanism for a member to 1) show who they are (thereby making it more difficult to obtain multiple votes),

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: license change map

2010-11-28 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 5:15 AM, Steve Bennett wrote: > On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 8:29 PM, Mike  Dupont > wrote: >> Yeah, I dont pay in money, I pay in code and data. Does that count? >> Also I payed in trips all over to collect data, dinners with people, etc etc. >> Why do I need to pay money to a

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: license change map

2010-11-28 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Sun, 28 Nov 2010 11:43:52 +0100 Mike Dupont wrote: > On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Steve Bennett > wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 8:29 PM, Mike  Dupont > > wrote: > >> Yeah, I dont pay in money, I pay in code and data. Does that count? > >> Also I payed in trips all over to collect

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: license change map

2010-11-28 Thread Mike Dupont
On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Steve Bennett wrote: > On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 8:29 PM, Mike  Dupont > wrote: >> Yeah, I dont pay in money, I pay in code and data. Does that count? >> Also I payed in trips all over to collect data, dinners with people, etc etc. >> Why do I need to pay money to

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: license change map

2010-11-28 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 8:29 PM, Mike Dupont wrote: > Yeah, I dont pay in money, I pay in code and data. Does that count? > Also I payed in trips all over to collect data, dinners with people, etc etc. > Why do I need to pay money to a bank account so that I have a say? > FAIL! You could make th

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: license change map

2010-11-28 Thread Mike Dupont
On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 2:46 AM, Anthony wrote: > On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 6:12 PM, Richard Fairhurst > wrote: >> >> Steve Bennett wrote: >>> Elizabeth Dodd wrote: >>> > 1. OSMF needs a written out strategic plan. >>> Hear, hear. >> >> The equivalent of "Patches welcome" in this case is: >> >> O

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: license change map

2010-11-27 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 6:12 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > > Steve Bennett wrote: >> Elizabeth Dodd wrote: >> > 1. OSMF needs a written out strategic plan. >> Hear, hear. > > The equivalent of "Patches welcome" in this case is: > > OSMF is a democratically elected body. Candidates welcome. ...p

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: license change map

2010-11-27 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Sat, 27 Nov 2010 15:12:32 -0800 (PST) Richard Fairhurst wrote: > OSMF is a democratically elected body. Candidates welcome. I guess > 2011's elections will take place at the start of July as usual. I can honestly say that I do not have time available to put into such a job in the near future.

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: license change map

2010-11-27 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Steve Bennett wrote: > Elizabeth Dodd wrote: > > 1. OSMF needs a written out strategic plan. > Hear, hear. The equivalent of "Patches welcome" in this case is: OSMF is a democratically elected body. Candidates welcome. I guess 2011's elections will take place at the start of July as usual. (La

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: license change map

2010-11-27 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: > 1. OSMF needs a written out strategic plan. Hear, hear. Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: license change map

2010-11-27 Thread Mike Dupont
On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: > Following these principles would put an end to a large amount of > bickering. I wouldn't read emails which can be summarised as "just a > little bit longer, and it will be all right". Reference could be made I totally agree with this. I wa

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: license change map

2010-11-27 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 21:33:15 + Grant Slater wrote: > > Elizabeth, I tried to start a discussion with you offlist a few months > ago, instead you decided to belittle me about my age. (I haven't had > that since I was in my twenties so maybe I am just being overly > sensitive.) > Since you ha

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: license change map

2010-11-22 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 20:18:07 + Richard Fairhurst wrote: > [off-list] > > > I have been labelled a 'troll' which I am not, and > > been the subject of personal abuse by SteveC. > > Hang about. I'm not SteveC and I wouldn't necessarily class him as > among "the guys who are doing stuff" tha

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: license change map

2010-11-22 Thread Grant Slater
On 22 November 2010 20:02, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: > > I find this quite offensive. Because I have discussed things and asked > questions, while indicating that I do not agree, I have been treated > extremely rudely on other OSM mailing lists, in particular by persons > in 'high places'. I have been

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: license change map

2010-11-22 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Elizabeth Dodd wrote: > I don't agree with ODBL. I don't think that it is right that those > providing manipulated data eg data ready for a navigation app > (Navit, Garmin format) should have to provide access to a planet > dump of OSM as well. They don't have to. ODbL 4.6b: "You must also off

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: license change map

2010-11-22 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 08:59:13 -0800 (PST) Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Because when you engage with the guys who are > doing stuff, make suggestions, talk to them in a friendly manner, the > result is better for everyone. That applies as much to licence > discussions as it does to OSM software or w

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: license change map

2010-11-22 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 22:50:09 +1100 Steve Bennett wrote: > But I also > haven't yet seen any reasons, other than sheer bloody mindedness, why > a person who was happy to contribute under a CC-BY-SA licence would be > unhappy to do so under ODbL, assuming they were able to do so. I don't agree wi

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: license change map

2010-11-22 Thread Richard Fairhurst
David Murn wrote: > the problem is that the powers-that-be dont seem to want to > address the problematic terms and simply tell people the > decisions have already been made, and to cease discussion. > Hardly the way to run an open community project. I realise the phrase "assume good faith" i

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: license change map

2010-11-22 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: "Richard Weait" To: "David Murn" Cc: "talk-au" Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:45 PM Subject: Re: [talk-au] Fwd: license change map On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 7:34 AM, David Murn wrote: On Mon, 2010-11-22 at 22:50 +110

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: license change map

2010-11-22 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: "Richard Weait" To: "David Murn" Cc: "talk-au" Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:45 PM Subject: Re: [talk-au] Fwd: license change map On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 7:34 AM, David Murn wrote: On Mon, 2010-11-22 at 22:50 +110

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: license change map

2010-11-22 Thread Richard Weait
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 7:34 AM, David Murn wrote: > On Mon, 2010-11-22 at 22:50 +1100, Steve Bennett wrote: > >> But I also haven't yet seen any reasons, other than sheer bloody mindedness, >> why >> a person who was happy to contribute under a CC-BY-SA licence would be >> unhappy to do so under

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: license change map

2010-11-22 Thread David Murn
On Mon, 2010-11-22 at 22:50 +1100, Steve Bennett wrote: > But I also haven't yet seen any reasons, other than sheer bloody mindedness, > why > a person who was happy to contribute under a CC-BY-SA licence would be > unhappy to do so under ODbL, assuming they were able to do so. The problem occur

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: license change map

2010-11-22 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 6:11 PM, David Murn wrote: > Thats fine for data that is sourced from NearMap.  What about other data > sources, such as imports and the like?  Having said that, if the CTs are > accepted by one group, Im sure theyll be accepted by most, as it seems > that everyone has the

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: license change map

2010-11-21 Thread David Murn
On Mon, 2010-11-22 at 17:29 +1100, Steve Bennett wrote: > But maybe I misunderstood the target of the email. I guess there are > three possible outcomes of the licence debate: > 1) The CTs get sorted out so that NearMap etc are happy with them, and > OSM switches to ODbL. However, some people refu

[talk-au] Fwd: license change map

2010-11-21 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Ian Sergeant wrote: > For most people involved in OSM it is an enjoyable hobby, and that is why > they do it.  Data comes and goes, and I can't expect the data I enter to > live for time immemorial.  Of all the areas of that I mapped back in 2007, > very few of the