Travelling about northern NSW in the lead up to xmas I noticed this location:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/585129264
Is no longer a BP, but has Liberty signs up... BP states they update
their dataset monthly but it seems they're a bit slack...
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:57 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:
To be a complete hypocrit, I could check it out on my way to work
tomorrow. If driving, I drive straight past it, if riding, I pass
within a few blocks.
Then again, had a quick look with streetview, looks like BPs on
2009/12/16 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com:
Yes, it's definitely been razed. The big BP sign is still there, so
it's unclear whether they're just rebuilding it from below ground
level or what.
Ahh ok, I couldn't make out signs from NearMap, then again I wasn't
looking that much after seeing
BP have this location on their site:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/585128133
Except when you view it with NearMap the site has been leveled, not
sure if BP is rebuilding it or what
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On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:19 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
BP have this location on their site:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/585128133
Except when you view it with NearMap the site has been leveled, not
sure if BP is rebuilding it or what
To be a complete
2009/12/15 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com:
Then again, had a quick look with streetview, looks like BPs on both
sides. Both look pretty established, so I'm guessing it's demolished
rather than new.
The NearMap imagery is very recent, the same can't be said for sat
imagery or streetview,
Here's a current list of nodes with 'fixme' tags:
http://map-data.bigtincan.com/data/BPfixmes.osm.bz2
Also some people have editted locations without removing the fixme tags...
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2009/12/15 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com:
Here's a current list of nodes with 'fixme' tags:
http://map-data.bigtincan.com/data/BPfixmes.osm.bz2
Also some people have editted locations without removing the fixme tags...
I just noticed since that contains version numbers etc, you can
Here's an example of OSM beating even BP to the punch...
This location doesn't exist in the BP dataset:
http://osm.org/go/uN9xpckXA--
You can make out BP signs with NearMap and according to OSM data, it
was tagged on the 3rd of November...
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009, John Smith wrote:
2009/12/15 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com:
Here's a current list of nodes with 'fixme' tags:
http://map-data.bigtincan.com/data/BPfixmes.osm.bz2
Also some people have editted locations without removing the fixme
tags...
I just noticed
On Sun, 13 Dec 2009, John Smith wrote:
H
BP has 2 locations listed for the same address, one is express one
isn't, and I'm not sure which is correct, maybe BP has lost more
service stations? :)
I joined two together in Grenfell
same address
same phone number
same stuff for sale
i think
2009/12/13 Liz ed...@billiau.net:
On Sun, 13 Dec 2009, John Smith wrote:
H
BP has 2 locations listed for the same address, one is express one
isn't, and I'm not sure which is correct, maybe BP has lost more
service stations? :)
I joined two together in Grenfell
same address
same
John Smith wrote:
H
BP has 2 locations listed for the same address, one is express one
isn't, and I'm not sure which is correct, maybe BP has lost more
service stations? :)
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3360844
I notice that both are tagged with:
2009/12/13 John Henderson snow...@gmx.com:
John Smith wrote:
H
BP has 2 locations listed for the same address, one is express one
isn't, and I'm not sure which is correct, maybe BP has lost more
service stations? :)
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3360844
I notice that
I notice that both are tagged with:
fuel:octane_91 = no
implying that neither sell ordinary unleaded petrol. That's the normal
high-volume seller, or have you banned it in Qld?
fuel:e10 = yes
Replaces 91 octane at lots of BP servos.
At least they have 95, 98 and lpg which
Ross Scanlon wrote:
fuel:e10 = yes
Replaces 91 octane at lots of BP servos.
At least they have 95, 98 and lpg which suits me as the truck really does not
like e10.
Interesting. Personally, I use e10 in my '97 Pulsar almost always, even
though Nissan say not to. I've never had a
2009/12/14 John Henderson snow...@gmx.com:
Ross Scanlon wrote:
fuel:e10 = yes
Replaces 91 octane at lots of BP servos.
At least they have 95, 98 and lpg which suits me as the truck really does
not like e10.
Interesting. Personally, I use e10 in my '97 Pulsar almost always, even
though
Interesting. Personally, I use e10 in my '97 Pulsar almost always, even
though Nissan say not to. I've never had a problem with drivability or
with the fuel or intake system.
On the contrary, e10 is actually about 93 or 94 octane, as the ethanol
raises the octane number of the 91 base
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:39 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
The 2 BP's along the Bruce Highway north of Brisbane aren't located
properly either, it looks like they've simply used address to geo
lookups and when the addresses are specific they co-ords go wonky,
wonder if they
2009/12/14 Chris Barham cbar...@pobox.com:
I've found one that is almost 20km out - and wondered whether this is
the worst one found so far?:
http://www.bp.com/iframe.do?categoryId=9012436contentId=7017653
The one at Moree was plotted 20km out of Moree to the North, but the
servo is on the
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Chris Barham cbar...@pobox.com wrote:
I drove out there to check and be certain on the weekend so have
removed the FIXME tag.
Wow, someone cares about their servos :)
Steve
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On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Chris Barham cbar...@pobox.com wrote:
I drove out there to check and be certain on the weekend so have
removed the FIXME tag.
Wow, someone cares about their servos :)
Why haven't you? :P
I'll bet internally they're associated with lots-on-plan land records...
And if the public dataset is simply used address to geo lookups, then which
geocoder did they use? And is BP allowed to publish the derived dataset?
Brendan
On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 19:43:08 +1100, Liz wrote:
On Thu, 10 Dec
On Sun, 13 Dec 2009, Brendan Morley wrote:
I'll bet internally they're associated with lots-on-plan land records...
The Beckom one was so far up the road it had moved to a rest area
Others like Young, address on an intersection, were on the intersection
literally
And if the public dataset is
2009/12/12 Brendan Morley morb@beagle.com.au:
I'll bet internally they're associated with lots-on-plan land records...
They probably don't need to know/care about the geo data.
And if the public dataset is simply used address to geo lookups, then
which geocoder did they use? And is BP
2009/12/11 James Livingston doc...@mac.com:
On Wednesday, December 09, 2009, at 03:25PM, Chris Barham
cbar...@pobox.com wrote:
BP allows free download of GPS data for their Australian service stations.
Has anyone asked any of the other companies yet? If not, I'll send some
emails about:
Maybe the fuel station node labelled 'BP' just a few 10s of metres away on
the link you posted?
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-27.445482lon=153.029376zoom=18layers=B000FTF
- David
John Smith-131 wrote:
Anyone familiar with the BP at this location?
44 Bowen Bridge Rd, Herston QLD
Maybe the fuel station node labelled 'BP' just a few 10s of metres away on
the link you posted?
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-27.445482lon=153.029376zoom=18layers=B000FTF
- David
John Smith-131 wrote:
Anyone familiar with the BP at this location?
44 Bowen Bridge Rd, Herston QLD
2009/12/13 David Dean dd...@ieee.org:
Maybe the fuel station node labelled 'BP' just a few 10s of metres away on
the link you posted?
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-27.445482lon=153.029376zoom=18layers=B000FTF
Mmmm that was a tad obvious, dunno how I missed it
On Fri, 11 Dec 2009, Arie Paap wrote:
How should duplicates which are already in OSM (but weren't close
enough to be picked up when processed) be dealt with? For example BP
Bellevue:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-31.8941lon=116.0263zoom=17layers=B000
FTF (both appear on southern side of
2009/12/11 Arie Paap wildmy...@gmail.com:
How should duplicates which are already in OSM (but weren't close
enough to be picked up when processed) be dealt with? For example BP
Bellevue:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-31.8941lon=116.0263zoom=17layers=B000FTF
(both appear on southern side
2009/12/11 James Livingston doc...@mac.com:
http://apps.nowwhere.com.au/caltex/austlocator/search.aspx
I wouldn't bother with nowwhere, it's a mapds website and they are
most likely hosting the data on behalf of caltex, and so they probably
wouldn't be able or willing to release the data.
2009/12/11 Liz ed...@billiau.net:
i then looked for one at blanchetown, and there was no new bp at blanchetown,
so either its not bp any more, or because the node was close the new data has
not been imported
I think you found it, unless you mean there is 2 BPs at Blanchetown?
On Fri, 11 Dec 2009, you wrote:
2009/12/11 Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net:
On Fri, 11 Dec 2009, you wrote:
i then looked for one at blanchetown, and there was no new bp at
blanchetown, so either its not bp any more, or because the node was
close the new data has not been imported
2009/12/10 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com
2009/12/10 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com:
[26] = ATM
You could add a separate (or same?) amenity=atm (or whatever it is)
point?
I added
tag k='amenity:atm' v='no' /
tag k='amenity:eftpos' v='yes' /
tag k='rent:trailers'
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 4:10 AM, Emilie Laffray
emilie.laff...@gmail.com wrote:
Also do we need to include tags when there is nothing present. I think the
basic case is that those services are not present. Including them only when
they are present would make more sense in my view and would not
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 8:42 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
All 1,381 locations have been uploaded, there was a few more
duplicates I missed before but these have been removed as well.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3340910
Bound to be some duplicates that
On Wednesday, December 09, 2009, at 03:25PM, Chris Barham cbar...@pobox.com
wrote:
BP allows free download of GPS data for their Australian service stations.
Has anyone asked any of the other companies yet? If not, I'll send some emails
about:
Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote:
Make sure if you are going to enter fuel information then you include all
types, (lpg, 91, 95, 98 octane, diesel, etc)
More: Automotive LPG is different tax-wise from barbecue LPG and
therefore sold and dispensed differently, sometimes you can refill your
2009/12/9 Sam Couter s...@couter.id.au:
and usually only sold during the winter months in alpine areas. Ethanol is
for drinking and swindling motorists and governments out of some cash so
As if the govt doesn't get enough tax already, and they get tax on top
of tax when the GST kicks in.
2009/12/9 Liz ed...@billiau.net:
On Wed, 9 Dec 2009, Sam Couter wrote:
Ethanol is
for drinking and swindling motorists and governments out of some cash so
it should be noted for those of us who'd rather push the car than put E10
in it.
I thought E10 was so I didn't have to pay a 30c per
On Wed, 9 Dec 2009, John Smith wrote:
Anyway, this is getting off topic, the fields from the BP are as
following, most are binary fields (Y or N), no idea what the other
field is for.
NAME,X,Y, LocationNo, Street, Town, State, Postcode,
Phone, Unlead, PremiumUnlead, BPUltimate, E10, Diesel,
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 8:52 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote:
NAME,X,Y, LocationNo, Street, Town, State, Postcode,
Phone, Unlead, PremiumUnlead, BPUltimate, E10, Diesel,
Any_Autogas, Hours_24, Trailers, LPGBottle, Toilets,
CarWash, CleanGo, SuperWash, Other, Pay, EFTPOS,
2009/12/9 Liz ed...@billiau.net:
give us some practical examples and we can go and visit our local BP servos
and try to work out what Other is
AA Oakleigh 145.09 -37.88 5362162 - 168 Warrigal Rd Oakleigh
VIC 3166
AA Reservoir145.02 -37.72 372235 - 37 Gisborne
2009/12/9 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com:
Can we really maintain this? These services come and go fairly frequently.
Just keep a list of nodes/ways and the location ID and it should be
trivial to keep up to date.
Also, if you're doing a bulk import, how do you avoid double tagging
existing
On 09/12/2009, at 8:26 PM, Steve Bennett wrote:
Can we really maintain this? These services come and go fairly frequently.
Individual things like whether they have LPG filling for bbqs maybe, but servos
don't move that often (usually taken over by another one). In any case, it's
probably not
2009/12/9 James Livingston doc...@mac.com:
I'd suggest doing something like import if there is not an existing
amenity=fuel within X distance, flag it for manual checking if there is.
The only problem with that is where you get 2 or 3 service stations
close/next to each other.
On 09/12/2009, at 8:41 PM, Steve Bennett wrote:
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 9:37 PM, James Livingston doc...@mac.com wrote:
I'd suggest doing something like import if there is not an existing
amenity=fuel within X distance, flag it for manual checking if there is.
Ah, didn't know that kind of
On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 20:14:32 +1100
Sam Couter s...@couter.id.au wrote:
Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote:
Make sure if you are going to enter fuel information then you include all
types, (lpg, 91, 95, 98 octane, diesel, etc)
More: Automotive LPG is different tax-wise from barbecue LPG
John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
The problem with E10 for most cars is it doesn't recognise the extra
oxygen atom
Australian electronic fuel injection systems have O2 sensors, this isn't
a problem. The reduced energy of E10 compared to the same volume of petrol
is a problem, is basic
John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
As if the govt doesn't get enough tax already, and they get tax on top
of tax when the GST kicks in.
The government gets *less* money from E10. Fuel excise is reduced and
its production is subsidised.
Anyway, this is getting off topic,
Yes, but a
Ok, getting back on topic, I spent a little time this morning
generating an OSM file that can be opened in JOSM.
For those curious/interested:
http://map-data.bigtincan.com/data/BPtest.osm.bz2
I haven't included all fields, I left out the following:
[16] = Trailers
[17] = LPGBottle
[26] = ATM
You could add a separate (or same?) amenity=atm (or whatever it is) point?
Steve
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2009/12/10 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com:
[26] = ATM
You could add a separate (or same?) amenity=atm (or whatever it is) point?
I added
tag k='amenity:atm' v='no' /
tag k='amenity:eftpos' v='yes' /
tag k='rent:trailers' v='no' /
tag k='rent:lpg_bottles' v='no' /
tag
Also I think some of the co-ords are way off, there is 2 BP locations
in Carnarvon for example and when you zoom in on them there doesn't
look to be a service station anywhere within the vicinity.
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On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 1:39 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote:
The 2 BP's along the Bruce Highway north of Brisbane aren't located
properly either, it looks like they've simply used address to geo
lookups and when the addresses are specific they co-ords go wonky,
wonder if they
ref: Australia BP service station dataset - suitable for bulk import?
BP allows free download of GPS data for their Australian service stations.
They also offer another CSV dataset download with servo phone numbers,
names and address. Could these two be useful to OpenStreetMap as a
datasource?
2009/12/9 Chris Barham cbar...@pobox.com:
ref: Australia BP service station dataset - suitable for bulk import?
BP allows free download of GPS data for their Australian service stations.
They also offer another CSV dataset download with servo phone numbers,
names and address. Could these two
I just opened the all states csv files and pasted them into a spread
sheet and ended up with 1,387 rows, there was 2 duplicate rows I
removed and 1 row without co-ords.
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John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/12/9 Chris Barham cbar...@pobox.com:
ref: Australia BP service station dataset - suitable for bulk import?
BP allows free download of GPS data for their Australian service stations.
They also offer another
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