Re: [Talk-GB] TfL bus maps as source

2013-09-29 Thread OpenStreetmap HADW
On 29 September 2013 18:27, Andrew andrewhain...@hotmail.co.uk wrote: OpenStreetmap HADW osmhadw@... writes: My own assumption is that they are not a valid source, but I've just discovered one route, by a contributor who has added several bus routes, where their bus route finder web site has

Re: [Talk-GB] Land Registry postcode tool now running

2013-09-28 Thread OpenStreetmap HADW
I've just noticed (changeset 18037116) someone using this Land Registry data search tool to actually populate, rather than simply flag for re-survey postcode data. Given that the Land Registry require a copyright notice, and, unlike OS Open Data, there is no such copyright notice on OSM, is this

Re: [Talk-GB] Land Registry postcode tool now running

2013-09-28 Thread OpenStreetmap HADW
On 28 September 2013 20:45, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote: == Quote == I've just noticed (changeset 18037116) someone using this Land Registry data search tool to actually populate, rather than simply flag for re-survey postcode data. Given that the Land Registry require a

Re: [Talk-GB] Land Registry postcode tool now running

2013-09-28 Thread OpenStreetmap HADW
On 28 September 2013 23:50, Nick Allen nick.allen...@gmail.com wrote: Anyway, if you're looking for a project in OSM, adding addresses is easily accomplished. Personally I currently use Keypad-Mapper 3 OSMTracker to do my surveying, and the exercise does me the world of good. If anyone

Re: [Talk-GB] Land Registry postcode tool now running

2013-09-28 Thread OpenStreetmap HADW
On 28 September 2013 20:52, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote: Oh I should add that I am a fan of source tags on the objects myself so I add a source:postcode=Land Registry 'Price Paid' data tag (or =ONS Postcode Centroids) to my edits. Not everyone agrees that source tags should

Re: [Talk-GB] User with long list of slow vandalism

2013-09-23 Thread OpenStreetmap HADW
On 23 September 2013 11:39, Tom Chance t...@acrewoods.net wrote: I'm trying to get this user account suspended/banned: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Quercus1/edits Whilst, if they fail to respond to a direct approach, such steps may be needed... I have tried contacting him/her to no

Re: [Talk-GB] User with long list of slow vandalism

2013-09-23 Thread OpenStreetmap HADW
On 23/09/13 14:08, Tom Chance wrote: On 23 September 2013 12:27, OpenStreetmap HADW osmh...@gmail.com mailto:osmh...@gmail.com wrote: The edits seem to be seriously incompetent, rather than actually bogus, or malicious. I'm not sure, they are strange edits. On the one hand

Re: [Talk-GB] User with long list of slow vandalism

2013-09-23 Thread OpenStreetmap HADW
On 23 September 2013 18:47, Peter Oliver p.d.oli...@mavit.org.uk wrote: Didn't someone mention that this user was using JOSM? JOSM pre-populates the comment field with the previously submitted comment. The other thing it does is to add to an existing changeset, and the changeset is left

Re: [Talk-GB] Using store locator as source

2013-09-17 Thread OpenStreetmap HADW
On 16 September 2013 16:14, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: On 16 September 2013 14:18, Adam Hoyle adam.li...@dotankstudios.com wrote: If there is no license on their website regarding the information, then shouldn't it be considered public domain? Err, no. That's not how the law

Re: [Talk-GB] Using store locator as source

2013-09-17 Thread OpenStreetmap HADW
On 16 September 2013 19:18, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: On 16/09/2013 17:35, Adam Hoyle wrote: On 16 Sep 2013, at 16:14, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: Almost all retail sites will claim blanket copyright in every page of their websites. Just to take one at

Re: [Talk-GB] Using store locator as source

2013-09-17 Thread OpenStreetmap HADW
On 17 September 2013 09:01, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com wrote: s. Unfortunately, CodePoint Open is the one dataset in the OS OpenData collection that hasn't been cleared for use in OSM. See https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2013-July/015028.html

Re: [Talk-GB] Using store locator as source

2013-09-17 Thread OpenStreetmap HADW
On 17 September 2013 09:15, SK53 sk53@gmail.com wrote: Just a general point about shops. There is a perfectly good OPEN data source containing address ( postcode centroid as lat/lon) available for all food outlets covering most UK local authorities. Aren't the postcode centroids subject to

Re: [Talk-GB] bing image alignment

2013-09-15 Thread OpenStreetmap HADW
On 15 September 2013 11:27, ael law_ence@ntlworld.com wrote: It is a few years since I looked at any of this, but it had not occurred to me that any copyright issue could arise. They are essentially modern trig points. There is a mark on the ground, and their website publishes the

[Talk-GB] Using store locator as source

2013-09-15 Thread OpenStreetmap HADW
I'm pretty sure that store locators pages on chain store web sites are not safe sources, but can someone confirm this. I've just come across a, recently added feature, purporting to be an Asda supermarket building, way 237818118. As its only purported source it quotes the URL of the store

Re: [Talk-GB] Using store locator as source

2013-09-15 Thread OpenStreetmap HADW
On 15 September 2013 22:24, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: On 15/09/2013 21:41, OpenStreetmap HADW wrote: I'm pretty sure that store locators pages on chain store web sites are not safe sources, but can someone confirm this. What do mean by safe? Inaccurate? Unlawful? Likely

Re: [Talk-GB] bing image alignment

2013-09-14 Thread OpenStreetmap HADW
On 13 September 2013 19:59, ael law_ence@ntlworld.com wrote: No one has mentioned the OS gps (passive) stations: for example http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/472420260

Re: [Talk-GB] bing image alignment

2013-09-13 Thread OpenStreetmap HADW
On 10 September 2013 10:09, o...@k3v.eu wrote: This has been discussed on the list before. Bing image alignment can be quite poor One unfortunate consequence of this is that there are areas of the map where the majority of features are out of position by 15 or more feet, because people have

Re: [Talk-GB] bing image alignment

2013-09-13 Thread OpenStreetmap HADW
On 13 September 2013 12:31, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote: Which is the higher priority, consistency or accuracy? Is it better to have an internally consistent map, where everything is topologically correct but possibly a little displaced by a uniform vector, or is it better to have

Re: [Talk-GB] bing image alignment

2013-09-13 Thread OpenStreetmap HADW
On 13 September 2013 12:55, Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net wrote: Why do you suppose OS Streetview is correct? I find that compared to multiple GPS tracks it is not always well aligned and more recent Bing imagery is often better. I did consider that possibility, but I did a search for that

Re: [Talk-GB] bing image alignment

2013-09-13 Thread OpenStreetmap HADW
On 13 September 2013 14:46, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: On 13/09/13 14:28, OpenStreetmap HADW wrote: How does one find that out for the tiles served by os.openstreetmap.org, and if they are not using the high accuracy conversions, why not? (OS' own online viewer also uses WGS84

Re: [Talk-GB] Urban Mixed Access Ways and Barriers (restricted to motor vehicles, open to foot)

2013-09-12 Thread OpenStreetmap HADW
On 7 September 2013 21:41, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote: OpenStreetmap HADW wrote: In practice, there is only one renderer for general users That's a statement that could provoke some discussion, I suspect. If you have a look at the questions on help.osm.org you'll see

[Talk-GB] OSM Evangelism Opportunity in Burnt Oak

2013-09-12 Thread OpenStreetmap HADW
If anyone is able to attend a club meeting in Burnt Oak, Edgware between 8 and 10 this evening with evangelism materials for OpenStreetMap, ideally a live demo, could they contact me off list. I didn't check the club programme until I was in the office, so won't be able to collect any any

Re: [Talk-GB] bing image alignment

2013-09-09 Thread OpenStreetmap HADW
On 9 September 2013 20:05, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: I'm currently playing in an area where the highest resolution imagery is still an older view, while as I zoom out we step to newer imagery which is some distance off from the map tracks. I'm fairly happy with the map as I have

[Talk-GB] Urban Mixed Access Ways and Barriers (restricted to motor vehicles, open to foot)

2013-09-07 Thread OpenStreetmap HADW
I keep coming across cases where marking the access to a way based on primary category will imply that the way is not suitable for use on foot. That becomes particularly interesting with barriers, as in those cases, the sidewalk may bypass the barrier. For concrete examples, I'll use Northwick

[Talk-GB] Wish LIst for Mapnik Stylesheet (overmapping of private features)

2013-09-07 Thread OpenStreetmap HADW
Is there a mechanism for getting requests onto the wish list for the Open Street Map Mapnk style sheets? The particular issue is that now that people can trace quite small features, some areas are getting overloaded with private foot paths and private car parks (not to mention alleys and

Re: [Talk-GB] Urban Mixed Access Ways and Barriers (restricted to motor vehicles, open to foot)

2013-09-07 Thread OpenStreetmap HADW
On 7 September 2013 14:46, Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: Streetmaps do tend to be abstractions of the real world, and openstreetmap ceased to be be a mere streetmap several years ago, and is a far far better map than a mere streetmap can ever be. The word streetmap implies urban,

Re: [Talk-GB] Urban Mixed Access Ways and Barriers (restricted to motor vehicles, open to foot)

2013-09-07 Thread OpenStreetmap HADW
On 7 September 2013 14:36, les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: Sent from my android device so the quoting is crapp! -Original Message- From: OpenStreetmap HADW osmh...@gmail.com To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Sent: Sat, 07 Sep 2013 13:44 Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Urban Mixed Access Ways

Re: [Talk-GB] Grounds of Places of Worshiip when not Graveyards

2013-08-31 Thread OpenStreetmap HADW
On 28 August 2013 09:50, sk53.osm sk53@gmail.com wrote: new-fangled expensive wedding licences. Or telling my local vicar and his wife that they live in a place of worship. That does rather assume the right building has been marked! I've just come across a case where the OS have marked

Re: [Talk-GB] Lines of Trees along river banks etc.

2013-08-30 Thread OpenStreetmap HADW
On 29 August 2013 09:42, sk53.osm sk53@gmail.com wrote: comparable to the European Environment Agency's Urban Atlas. The slides are here. I think there are enough details in the methodology for anyone to You might have warned me about the size of the document, so I downloaded it at off

Re: [Talk-GB] HS2 mapping

2013-08-30 Thread OpenStreetmap HADW
On 29 August 2013 11:59, Barry Cornelius barrycorneliu...@gmail.com wrote: adding the information to OSM as the data provided by a council can be out-of-date and it is necessary to check whether the data agrees with what's on the ground. There are also licensing issues. The councils'

Re: [Talk-GB] Lines of Trees along river banks etc.

2013-08-29 Thread OpenStreetmap HADW
On 28 August 2013 23:15, Dudley Ibbett dudleyibb...@hotmail.com wrote: This would perhaps suggest they should be marked as ways with barrier=hedge and hedge=line_of_trees or perhaps just the latter. An alternative might be to use natural=tree_row which is defined in the wiki but the examples

Re: [Talk-GB] NaPTAN Stops and Hail and Ride Buses

2013-08-28 Thread OpenStreetmap HADW
On 24 August 2013 12:32, sk53.osm sk53@gmail.com wrote: I doubt if anyone checks the Naptan account: it's an import account largely to separate personal mapping from imports. Furthermore I don't know how active the user who co-ordinated the imports is these days: info is available on the

[Talk-GB] Grounds of Places of Worshiip when not Graveyards

2013-08-28 Thread OpenStreetmap HADW
The rules for places of worship differ from other amenities in that there is a strong diktat that only the actual building (where there is a building) should be tagged. This seems to be partially backed up by an assumption that all places of worship are medieval churches with graveyards, so that

Re: [Talk-GB] Grounds of Places of Worshiip when not Graveyards

2013-08-28 Thread OpenStreetmap HADW
On 28 August 2013 09:50, sk53.osm sk53@gmail.com wrote: churchyard (probably the tag you are looking for landuse=churchyard, to heavily used but in existence) instead of a church: you need one of the I was hoping for something with less Christian connotations. Besides having a zero

[Talk-GB] NaPTAN Stops and Hail and Ride Buses

2013-08-24 Thread OpenStreetmap HADW
NaPTAN stops can be placed in one of the following categories (initially the not-verified one): - not-verified (imported but not surveyed on the ground); - verified (NaPTAN data has been correlated with a physical stop on the ground and the location adjusted, if necessary); - physically not

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging Banquetting Halls (neither hotels, not community centres)

2013-08-23 Thread OpenStreetmap HADW
On 22 August 2013 10:03, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: website=xxx - which will give the details (if we could access them from the map) I'm not sure if I can quote the website in this case as Google may have a database copyright on it. I generally only quote websites if they are

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging Banquetting Halls (neither hotels, not community centres)

2013-08-23 Thread OpenStreetmap HADW
On 22 August 2013 15:46, Brian Prangle bpran...@gmail.com wrote: In the West Midlands we have dozens of these which cater mainly for Asian weddings and celebrations where large extended families have to be catered for. Probably the same in most large urban areas. I generally just tag them as

Re: [Talk-GB] Phone numbers in little England

2013-08-23 Thread OpenStreetmap HADW
On 22 August 2013 18:57, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote: I am not sure what your issue was with highway=path etc, but do you mean rationalising as in the sense of reducing the number of tags, thus losing (subtle) distinctions? I can't see how that is the same as the phone number

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging Banquetting Halls (neither hotels, not community centres)

2013-08-23 Thread OpenStreetmap HADW
On 22 August 2013 10:03, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: website=xxx - which will give the details (if we could access them from the map) If you access it from http://www.openlinkmap.org/ you can access them from the map (and also phone numbers).

Re: [Talk-GB] Phone numbers in little England

2013-08-23 Thread OpenStreetmap HADW
On 23 August 2013 22:15, Paul Bivand paul.biv...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: However, I normally ignore spacing because the concept of area code is dying. There is a secondary reason for spacing and that is that short term memory can only cope with about 7 things at once, so it is a good idea to

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging Banquetting Halls (neither hotels, not community centres)

2013-08-22 Thread OpenStreetmap HADW
On 21 August 2013 14:44, Craig Wallace craig...@fastmail.fm wrote: Banqueting hall seems rather specific. These types of places may be used for a wide variety of events, so may be known by different names. eg might be used for conferences, exhibition, live music etc. I think a more generic

[Talk-GB] Phone numbers in little England

2013-08-22 Thread OpenStreetmap HADW
Something I've noticed is that the British seem to be particularly bad at entering phone numbers properly, in particular, more than half of them have been entered in national format; even the Americans seem to get this one right and so do other countries. Other common problems are: - the bogus

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging Banquetting Halls (neither hotels, not community centres)

2013-08-22 Thread OpenStreetmap HADW
On 22 August 2013 08:07, OpenStreetmap HADW osmh...@gmail.com wrote: On 21 August 2013 14:44, Craig Wallace craig...@fastmail.fm wrote: That's probably better than banqueting hall. On the other hand, it needs to be distinguished from the concept exposition centre which One other possible

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging Banquetting Halls (neither hotels, not community centres)

2013-08-22 Thread OpenStreetmap HADW
On 22 August 2013 08:41, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: specialist market band wagon, 'Banqueting hall' is another use that could be applied anywhere, but I can see that being a specialist type of restaurant rather than a 'hall' since essentially it's a place to eat with some form of

Re: [Talk-GB] Phone numbers in little England

2013-08-22 Thread OpenStreetmap HADW
On 22 August 2013 08:43, Oliver Jowett oliver.jow...@gmail.com wrote: - no delimiter (+442079460676) - misplaced delimiter (+44 207 946 0676) Aren't these unambiguous already? They breach the existing guidelines, which call for the (UK usage) area code to be delimited. In particular, in