Re: [OSM-talk-be] Abandoned Railways / cycleways

2013-04-14 Thread Marc Gemis
For the first two examples there is no doubt that there are still "remains" of a railway, but I still wonder whether it makes much sense to leave the railway tag on this http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.1060394346714&lon=4.379757642745972&zoom=17 especially on the parking area and to a lesser

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Abandoned Railways / cycleways

2013-04-14 Thread Ben Laenen
No, highway and cycleway should not share any ways. The only thing which may be acceptable is reusing the same nodes for two different ways, but only if they are on exactly the same location, which is actually quite rare. In quite a lot of cases there will be an offset, or it will diverge a little

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Abandoned Railways / cycleways

2013-04-14 Thread Marc Gemis
This means that the separate track should be removed for the 3 cases I listed, or not ? On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 2:31 PM, André Pirard wrote: > On 2013-04-13 23:02, Marc Gemis wrote : > > ... > > So why two lines for an abandoned railway and the cycleway/footway on it ? > Can't they be combined

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Abandoned Railways / cycleways

2013-04-14 Thread André Pirard
On 2013-04-13 23:02, Marc Gemis wrote : ... So why two lines for an abandoned railway and the cycleway/footway on it ? Can't they be combined ? What to do is explained in the OSM wiki at ... Railways Abandoned - The track has been removed and the

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Abandoned Railways / cycleways

2013-04-13 Thread Marc Gemis
Thanks for your reply Ben. I don't care so much about the rendering on the main map, but on a Garmin device it is annoying. m On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 1:57 AM, Ben Laenen wrote: > You should put the railway=abandoned and highway=cycleway/whatever on two > different ways. The railway=abandoned

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Abandoned Railways / cycleways

2013-04-13 Thread Ben Laenen
You should put the railway=abandoned and highway=cycleway/whatever on two different ways. The railway=abandoned on the location where the railway tracks were, the second where the path currently is, which isn't necessarily the same place, like in your last example. So yes, you get some places where

[OSM-talk-be] Abandoned Railways / cycleways

2013-04-13 Thread Marc Gemis
While mapping my RWN walk near Hulshout / Westmeerbeek I noticed that there were 2 cycleways next to one another, running from north to south: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.063594818115234&lon=4.8265814781188965&zoom=16 One was simply mapped as highway=cycleway, the other had more tags and

Re: [OSM-talk-be] abandoned railways

2009-12-03 Thread Lennard
Luc Van den Troost wrote: > Perhaps you can explain how 'abandoned' and 'disused' SHOULD be > interpreted in relation to the rendering rules. As far as I have seen, > the wiki pages about railways do not mention this. I can only explain at the moment how these situations handled on the mapnik m

Re: [OSM-talk-be] abandoned railways

2009-12-03 Thread Maarten Deen
On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 10:11:15 +0100, Luc Van den Troost wrote: > Another 'historical' point is that it is a pitty that OSM doesn't offer > a kind of 'time-machine'. On one side it would be nice to see the growth > of OSM that way, on the other side the map we are currently making will > be histori

Re: [OSM-talk-be] abandoned railways

2009-12-03 Thread Alain Empain
On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 10:11:15 +0100, Luc Van den Troost wrote > Hi Lennard and the others. (...) > Historical items then might be mapped in a different way that is usefull > for, for instance, a separate rendering or different layer. That > would not only be the case for historical railway tracks

Re: [OSM-talk-be] abandoned railways

2009-12-03 Thread Luc Van den Troost
Hi Lennard and the others. Perhaps you can explain how 'abandoned' and 'disused' SHOULD be interpreted in relation to the rendering rules. As far as I have seen, the wiki pages about railways do not mention this. If both should appear on the map, then probably 'historical tracks' that are no lo

Re: [OSM-talk-be] abandoned railways

2009-12-02 Thread Lennard
> But about visibility: it's a choice of the people in charge of the > rendering. > You could open a trac ticket to ask for a change as I don't think there's > anyone on this mailing list who can edit the rendering rules directly. You would be wrong, but please still open trac tickets for requests

Re: [OSM-talk-be] abandoned railways

2009-12-02 Thread Ben Laenen
gvdmo...@skynet.be wrote: > Original message sent on the Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:53:14 +0100 by > benlae...@gmail.com > > > railway=disused is for railways still there but not used > > anymore (kaaien) > > railway=abandoned is for railways no longer there > > (newby point of view but:) > > For aband

Re: [OSM-talk-be] abandoned railways

2009-12-02 Thread gvdmoort
Original message sent on the Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:53:14 +0100 by benlae...@gmail.com > railway=disused is for railways still there but not used > anymore (kaaien) > railway=abandoned is for railways no longer there (newby point of view but:) For abandoned railways (I mean without rails), why not

Re: [OSM-talk-be] abandoned railways

2009-12-02 Thread Ben Laenen
wannes wrote: > 2009/12/2 Ben Laenen : > > Now, should those abandoned tracks be mapped? Sure, why not? > > railway=abandoned is just a tag made for it, implying that it isn't there > > anymore. And it's just fun to see their influence in today's street and > > housing patterns. But it probably doe

Re: [OSM-talk-be] abandoned railways

2009-12-02 Thread wannes
2009/12/2 Ben Laenen : > > Now, should those abandoned tracks be mapped? Sure, why not? railway=abandoned > is just a tag made for it, implying that it isn't there anymore. And it's just > fun to see their influence in today's street and housing patterns. But it > probably doesn't make much sense t

Re: [OSM-talk-be] abandoned railways

2009-12-02 Thread Ben Laenen
wannes wrote: > > Should abandoned railwaylines that are no longer visible on the terain > > be mapped? Anyhow, in my opinion they should not be rendered. It makes > > the map on some points a bit confusing. > > > > In my opinion it only makes sense to map / render abandoned railway > > lines that

Re: [OSM-talk-be] abandoned railways

2009-12-02 Thread wannes
2009/12/2 Luc Van den Troost : > Some 'abandoned railways' are marked in OSM. > > In some cases the location of the old railway line still exists, only > the tracks are removed. > > In other cases nothing remembers at the railway line that 'once has been > there' > > On these places new streets / h

[OSM-talk-be] abandoned railways

2009-12-02 Thread Luc Van den Troost
Some 'abandoned railways' are marked in OSM. In some cases the location of the old railway line still exists, only the tracks are removed. In other cases nothing remembers at the railway line that 'once has been there' examples of these can be seen north of Galgeweel in Antwerpen Linkeroever ht