Re: [Talk-GB] map styles on osm.org; other sites (was: Re: driveway-becomes-track)

I keep hearing snagging issues that *might* be resolved by a more federal OSM, in the map presentation as well as in the organisational structure. Is that something that's ever been considered? On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 at 13:40, Nick wrote: > Totally agree that openstreetmap.org isn't supposed to be

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging bike ramp/ bike path down steps

There are no relations set for that stretch or the adjacent ones, so I'll try to sort that out for at least that bit of NCR45.  It's definitely signposted (including the need to dismount) Chris On 13/12/2020 19:55, Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-GB wrote: Dec 13, 2020, 20:52 by talk-gb@openstree

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging bike ramp/ bike path down steps

NCN 6 has a particularly awkward example (sorry no picture to hand) which is suitably tagged, and definitely signed. The ramp is (was?) not much more than a half-pipe. On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 at 18:53, Chris Hodges wrote: > NCR45 in

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging bike ramp/ bike path down steps

Dec 13, 2020, 20:52 by talk-gb@openstreetmap.org: > Dec 13, 2020, 19:50 by ch...@c-hodges.co.uk: > >> So how should this be tagged to indicate that the bike route really does go >> down the steps? >> > Add them to bike route relation. > Obviously it applies only if there is some signed bicycle

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging bike ramp/ bike path down steps

Dec 13, 2020, 19:50 by ch...@c-hodges.co.uk: > So how should this be tagged to indicate that the bike route really does go > down the steps? > Add them to bike route relation. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetm

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging bike ramp/ bike path down steps

On Sun, 13 Dec 2020, 19:14 David Woolley, wrote: > On 13/12/2020 19:05, Edward Catmur via Talk-GB wrote: > > Also, the steps should have bicycle=dismount, not =yes. This will allow > > people who can't dismount to go around by the road. > > Only if it is illegal to try to cycle up and down the st

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging bike ramp/ bike path down steps

On 13/12/2020 19:05, Edward Catmur via Talk-GB wrote: Also, the steps should have bicycle=dismount, not =yes. This will allow people who can't dismount to go around by the road. Only if it is illegal to try to cycle up and down the steps. Otherwise it is the duty of the renderer (router) to i

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging bike ramp/ bike path down steps

On Sun, 13 Dec 2020, 19:02 Adam Snape, wrote: > highway=steps > ramp:bicycle=yes > Right. The cycle route isn't mapped at all, from what I can tell? Also, the steps should have bicycle=dismount, not =yes. This will allow people who can't dismount to go around by the road. > Kind regards, > >

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging bike ramp/ bike path down steps

highway=steps ramp:bicycle=yes Kind regards, Adam On Sun, 13 Dec 2020, 18:53 Chris Hodges, wrote: > NCR45 in Stroud goes down a rather steep flight of steps to cross > Dudbridge Road. I can confirm that is what the signs say, having been > there yesterday. Also the Sustrans/OS map shows it t

[Talk-GB] Tagging bike ramp/ bike path down steps

NCR45 in Stroud goes down a rather steep flight of steps to cross Dudbridge Road. I can confirm that is what the signs say, having been there yesterday.  Also the Sustrans/OS map shows it taking the line of the steps https://osmaps.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/51.73875,-2.23631,18 There is a narrow ra

Re: [Talk-GB] Idea - OSMUK walkers' map application -- -& server

Hey Nick, This sounds like a great project and so I’m sure OSMUK can help with server space. We have just migrated hosting to AWS due to our previous host shutting down, so one option is to provide some space on there. Best, Adam -- Adam Hoyle [m] 07973 428 333 On 11 Dec 2020, 15:02 +, Ni

Re: [Talk-GB] driveway-becomes-track

I have now changed this from "driveway" to "service road" with access for motor vehicles as "destination", i.e. for access to properties only. I don't think it can be "private" because there are two properties along there, Noverton Cottage and Noverton Farm. I have also added the gate at the p

Re: [Talk-GB] driveway-becomes-track

We as a UK community, certainly from the countryside mapping point of view tend to be walkers and cyclists. We see a track, we know its a track because the tagging language of OSM is after all our native language. Take for example http://trigpoint.myzen.co.uk/photodump/20201212_150029.jpg This i

Re: [Talk-GB] driveway-becomes-track

Hello Martin/Nick, Perhaps the combination of highway, surface and designation will cover many of these use-cases? e.g. a service road that looks like a track but is a service road, and has bridleway rights, could be tagged as: highway=service; surface=unpaved; designation=public_bridleway Fo

Re: [Talk-GB] driveway-becomes-track

On 13/12/2020 13:45, Nick wrote: what do people think of Overlapping ways i.e. one is a road and a duplicate is a bridleway? Not elegant and something I would not normally suggest but... Hi Nick, When I've tried that in the past I've been jumped on for breaking a fundamental rule of OSM tha

Re: [Talk-GB] Noverton Farm - driveway-becomes-track

On 13/12/2020 09:06, Nick Whitelegg wrote: Apologies for going off topic, but I knew that name (Noverton Farm) sounded familiar. A quick check of where it is would explain why. In 1998 I did a  long distance walk from Sussex to the Peak District, following ordinary footpaths (planned using O

Re: [Talk-GB] driveway-becomes-track

I will throw something in the pot, apart from using the "Cycle map" solution what do people think of Overlapping ways i.e. one is a road and a duplicate is a bridleway? Not elegant and something I would not normally suggest but... On 13/12/2020 13:00, Martin Wynne wrote: As the OP on this, all

Re: [Talk-GB] map styles on osm.org; other sites (was: Re: driveway-becomes-track)

Totally agree that openstreetmap.org isn't supposed to be a "general public" map destination but without knowing user journeys, I assume that is where most people land. Options could be that openstreetmap.org provide alternative links based on locality and/or develop robust (N.B. tiles from op

Re: [Talk-GB] driveway-becomes-track

As the OP on this, all I can say is that in this part of the world, which includes that farm, that roadway would be called a "farm drive" (not "driveway") with double gates and a nameboard where it leaves the public road. If you referred to the "track leading to the farm" the farmer might take

Re: [Talk-GB] driveway-becomes-track

On 13/12/2020 11:30, ael via Talk-GB wrote: On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 10:44:24AM +, Peter Neale via Talk-GB wrote: IMHO, if it leads on to another road, track, etc. it is not a "driveway", but could be a track, a bridleway, a service road, or something else. FWIIW, I would very definitely ta

Re: [Talk-GB] driveway-becomes-track

OSMAND has recently had some very positive comments about walking on an unrelated (to OSM) forum I use. It also doesn't appear to render on the basis of whether there is a service=driveway tag at the moment. In the field, as a walker, given you can download the maps, it is what I would conside

[Talk-GB] map styles on osm.org; other sites (was: Re: driveway-becomes-track)

On 13/12/2020 11:16, Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-GB wrote: Note that someone who wants to show their map style at OSM website can be included, though they must sponsor hosting See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Featured_tile_layers/Guidelines_for_new_tile_layers As far as I know, the mai

[Talk-GB] weeklyOSM #542 2020-12-01-2020-12-07

The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 542, is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of a lot of things happening in the openstreetmap world: https://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/14046/ Enjoy! Did you know that you can also submit messages for the weeklyOSM? Just log i

Re: [Talk-GB] driveway-becomes-track

On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 at 11:14, Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-GB < talk-gb@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > I run into from time to time and was unsure how to tag this. > > On the other hand highway=track is supposed to be used on > roads used to access fields/forests (often unpaved and of low > quality, bu

Re: [Talk-GB] driveway-becomes-track

On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 09:11:32PM +, Martin Wynne wrote: > On 12/12/2020 17:37, Andy Townsend wrote: > > > What I'm wondering is how the typical recreational country walker would find > that map, or get it on their mobile phone app in place of the awful Google > maps? It's a lot of work to c

Re: [Talk-GB] driveway-becomes-track

On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 10:44:24AM +, Peter Neale via Talk-GB wrote: > IMHO, if it leads on to another road, track, etc. it is not a "driveway", but > could be a track, a bridleway, a service road, or something else. FWIIW, I would very definitely tag that as a service road. Driveway seems qu

Re: [Talk-GB] driveway-becomes-track

Note that someone who wants to show their map style at OSM website can be included, though they must sponsor hosting See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Featured_tile_layers/Guidelines_for_new_tile_layers As far as I know, the main blocker seems to be "Capable of meeting traffic demands. Th

Re: [Talk-GB] driveway-becomes-track

I run into from time to time and was unsure how to tag this. On the other hand highway=track is supposed to be used on roads used to access fields/forests (often unpaved and of low quality, but there are also high quality asphalt tracktype=grade1 surface=asphalt ones). So with road that is both a

Re: [Talk-GB] driveway-becomes-track

Seems to me that apart from the tagging, the issue highlighted here is with how the general public cab easily use OSM? Going to the OSM map, the layers on offer are Standard, Cycle Map (which does show the driveway connected) etc. but if a user wants a more specific use this is not easy to find

Re: [Talk-GB] driveway-becomes-track

Hi everyone, I notice I'm being CCed in quite a bit here. Just to make it clear, there are at least two "Nick"s on the thread. I just made the comment about Noverton Farm - it's another Nick who has made most of the contributions. It's an interesting thread but just want to make sure that I a

Re: [Talk-GB] driveway-becomes-track

IMHO, if it leads on to another road, track, etc. it is not a "driveway", but could be a track, a bridleway, a service road, or something else. The Wiki says that a driveway is (with my bold for emphasis),  " ... a minor service road leading to a residential or business property. It typically bra

Re: [Talk-GB] driveway-becomes-track

On Sun, 13 Dec 2020, 10:23 Edward Bainton, wrote: > Sorry, I joined this thread late and I see the initial query was, How to > ensure tracks don't just pop up nowhere'. So driveway first then track > doesn't solve the problem. > > That makes me say track all the way, as someone else has said. The

Re: [Talk-GB] driveway-becomes-track

Hi, I tend to think of tagging more in terms of 'who will use this?' I know my local area extremely well, so I map it as best I can using tags that will make sense to anyone visiting the area. When I'm away from home I use OSM extensively to find things, and hope that the local mappers are using a

Re: [Talk-GB] driveway-becomes-track

Sorry, I joined this thread late and I see the initial query was, How to ensure tracks don't just pop up nowhere'. So driveway first then track doesn't solve the problem. That makes me say track all the way, as someone else has said. The different surfaces can be caught in the attributes. On Sun,

Re: [Talk-GB] driveway-becomes-track

> https://85a.uk/noverton_farm_1280x800.jpg > > It seems daft to me that the mud gets rendered but not the hardcore. If > I change the "driveway" to "track" that would be the dreaded tagging for > the renderer would it not? Generally in this part of the world "track" > means mud, rather than a roa

[Talk-GB] MapThePaths downtime next weekend Dec 19/20

Hello everyone, A warning that the MapThePaths site (www.mapthepaths.org.uk) and also perhaps Freemap will be unavailable next weekend, Dec 19/20, and possibly into the early part of next week. The reason is that I am updating the OSM data on the server next weekend. I have decided to create

Re: [Talk-GB] driveway-becomes-track

>Getting back to this case, this is the farm drive. Beyond the >cattle-grid the public bridleway continues left through the farm >buildings, and the surface deteriorates to the usual farm mud: >https://85a.uk/noverton_farm_1280x800.jpg Apologies for going off topic, but I knew that name (Nover