A couple of weeks ago, I resurrected a not physically present NaPTAN
stop (one should never delete or modify naptan: tags, although one
can move them between nodes, in a merge).
I suspect a big part of the reason they deleted it is that they are
using iD, and, unless you explicitly select a view
On 29 September 2013 18:27, Andrew wrote:
> OpenStreetmap HADW writes:
>
>> My own assumption is that they are not a valid source, but I've just
>> discovered one route, by a contributor who has added several bus
>> routes, where their bus route finder web site h
Have TfL bus maps been cleared as a source? If so, why aren't they
being more extensively used?
My own assumption is that they are not a valid source, but I've just
discovered one route, by a contributor who has added several bus
routes, where their bus route finder web site has been quoted as a
On 28 September 2013 20:52, Rob Nickerson wrote:
> Oh I should add that I am a fan of source tags on the objects myself so I
> add a "source:postcode=Land Registry 'Price Paid' data" tag (or =ONS
> Postcode Centroids) to my edits. Not everyone agrees that source tags should
> be added to the objec
On 28 September 2013 23:50, Nick Allen wrote:
>
> Anyway, if you're looking for a project in OSM, adding addresses is easily
> accomplished. Personally I currently use Keypad-Mapper 3 & OSMTracker to do
> my surveying, and the exercise does me the world of good.
>
> If anyone fancies joining in,
On 28 September 2013 20:45, Rob Nickerson wrote:
> == Quote ==
>>I've just noticed (changeset 18037116) someone using this Land
>>Registry data search tool to actually populate, rather than simply
>>flag for re-survey postcode data. Given that the Land Registry
>>require a copyright notice, and,
I've just noticed (changeset 18037116) someone using this Land
Registry data search tool to actually populate, rather than simply
flag for re-survey postcode data. Given that the Land Registry
require a copyright notice, and, unlike OS Open Data, there is no such
copyright notice on OSM, is this u
On 23 September 2013 18:47, Peter Oliver wrote:
>
> Didn't someone mention that this user was using JOSM? JOSM pre-populates
> the comment field with the previously submitted comment.
The other thing it does is to add to an existing changeset, and the
changeset is left with the last comment us
On 23/09/13 14:08, Tom Chance wrote:> On 23 September 2013 12:27,
OpenStreetmap HADW <mailto:osmh...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> The edits seem to be seriously incompetent, rather than actually
> bogus, or malicious.
>
>
> I'm not sure, they are strange ed
On 23 September 2013 11:39, Tom Chance wrote:
>
> I'm trying to get this user account suspended/banned:
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Quercus1/edits
Whilst, if they fail to respond to a direct approach, such steps may
be needed...
>
> I have tried contacting him/her to no avail. All these
On 17 September 2013 09:15, SK53 wrote:
> Just a general point about shops. There is a perfectly good OPEN data source
> containing address (& postcode centroid as lat/lon) available for all food
> outlets covering most UK local authorities.
Aren't the postcode centroids subject to the Post Offic
On 17 September 2013 09:01, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)
wrote:
s.
>
> Unfortunately, CodePoint Open is the one dataset in the OS OpenData
> collection that hasn't been cleared for use in OSM. See
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2013-July/015028.html
>
Fortunately I haven't us
On 16 September 2013 19:18, David Earl wrote:
> On 16/09/2013 17:35, Adam Hoyle wrote:
>>
>> On 16 Sep 2013, at 16:14, Andy Allan wrote:
>>>
> Almost all retail sites will claim blanket copyright in every page of their
> websites. Just to take one at random, I went to http://www.boots.com/ . See
On 16 September 2013 16:14, Andy Allan wrote:
> On 16 September 2013 14:18, Adam Hoyle wrote:
>
>> If there is no license on their website regarding the information, then
>> shouldn't it be considered public domain?
>
> Err, no. That's not how the law works - either on copyright or on
> database
On 15 September 2013 22:24, Dave F. wrote:
> On 15/09/2013 21:41, OpenStreetmap HADW wrote:
>>
>> I'm pretty sure that store locators pages on chain store web sites are
>> not safe sources, but can someone confirm this.
>
>
> What do mean by "safe&
I'm pretty sure that store locators pages on chain store web sites are
not safe sources, but can someone confirm this.
I've just come across a, recently added feature, purporting to be an
Asda supermarket building, way 237818118. As its only purported
source it quotes the URL of the store locator
On 15 September 2013 11:27, ael wrote:
>
> It is a few years since I looked at any of this, but it had not occurred
> to me that any copyright issue could arise. They are essentially modern
> trig points. There is a mark on the ground, and their website publishes
> the coordinates. Using these co
On 13 September 2013 19:59, ael wrote:
> No one has mentioned the OS gps (passive) stations: for example
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/472420260
> http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/business-and-government/help-and-support/navigation-technology/os-net/surveying.html
>
> Can we not use t
On 13 September 2013 14:58, SK53 wrote:
Whilst most of the error terms may well, unfortunately, be true...
>
> OSSV scale is 1 pixel / metre, so accuracy is less than that.
That's a common misunderstanding about spatially, or time quantised
data. If it were really true, the 300m chip length in
On 13 September 2013 14:46, Tom Hughes wrote:
> On 13/09/13 14:28, OpenStreetmap HADW wrote:
>
>> How does one find that out for the tiles served by
>> os.openstreetmap.org, and if they are not using the high accuracy
>> conversions, why not? (OS' own online viewer a
On 13 September 2013 14:22, Colin Smale wrote:
> Cm-level GPS accuracy is coming within our grasp... My attention was
> recently drawn to this:
>
> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/swiftnav/piksi-the-rtk-gps-receiver
>
You need to operate in differential mode to get the full accuracy,
which me
On 13 September 2013 13:38, Phil Endecott wrote:
> OpenStreetmap HADW wrote:
> When using any OS data it's important to be certain of the method used
> for the datum conversion. If it's not using the OSTN02 table-driven
How does one find that out for the tiles served by
o
On 13 September 2013 12:55, Chris Hill wrote:
> Why do you suppose OS Streetview is correct? I find that compared to multiple
> GPS tracks it is not always well aligned and more recent Bing imagery is
> often better.
I did consider that possibility, but I did a search for that and it
came up s
On 13 September 2013 12:31, Colin Smale wrote:
> Which is the higher priority, consistency or accuracy? Is it better to have
> an internally consistent map, where everything is topologically correct but
> possibly a little displaced by a uniform vector, or is it better to have
> some of the object
On 10 September 2013 10:09, wrote:
> This has been discussed on the list before. Bing image alignment can be
> quite poor
One unfortunate consequence of this is that there are areas of the map
where the majority of features are out of position by 15 or more feet,
because people have added large
If anyone is able to attend a club meeting in Burnt Oak, Edgware
between 8 and 10 this evening with evangelism materials for
OpenStreetMap, ideally a live demo, could they contact me off list. I
didn't check the club programme until I was in the office, so won't be
able to collect any any material
On 7 September 2013 21:41, SomeoneElse wrote:
> OpenStreetmap HADW wrote:
>>
>> In practice, there is only one renderer for general users
>
>
> That's a statement that could provoke some discussion, I suspect.
>
> If you have a look at the questions on h
On 9 September 2013 20:05, Lester Caine wrote:
> I'm currently playing in an area where the highest resolution imagery is
> still an older view, while as I zoom out we step to newer imagery which is
> some distance off from the map tracks. I'm fairly happy with the map as I
> have had some older g
On 7 September 2013 14:36, wrote:
> Sent from my android device so the quoting is crapp!
>
>
> -Original Message-----
> From: OpenStreetmap HADW
> To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
> Sent: Sat, 07 Sep 2013 13:44
> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Urban Mixed Access Ways and
On 7 September 2013 14:46, Philip Barnes wrote:
>
> Streetmaps do tend to be abstractions of the real world, and
> openstreetmap ceased to be be a mere streetmap several years ago, and is
> a far far better map than a mere streetmap can ever be. The word
> streetmap implies urban, cities.
OS ma
Is there a mechanism for getting requests onto the wish list for the
Open Street Map Mapnk style sheets?
The particular issue is that now that people can trace quite small
features, some areas are getting overloaded with private foot paths
and private car parks (not to mention alleys and driveways
On 7 September 2013 12:15, SomeoneElse wrote:
>
> In that instance isn't there effectively a short footway that runs parallel
> to the short piece of road that has the barrier on it?
>
Micro-mapping tends to clutter the rendered map. In any case, street
maps are abstractions of the real world an
I keep coming across cases where marking the access to a way based on
primary category will imply that the way is not suitable for use on
foot. That becomes particularly interesting with barriers, as in
those cases, the sidewalk may bypass the barrier.
For concrete examples, I'll use Northwick Pa
On 28 August 2013 09:50, sk53.osm wrote:
> new-fangled expensive wedding licences. Or telling my local vicar and his
> wife that they live in a place of worship.
That does rather assume the right building has been marked! I've just
come across a case where the OS have marked the church hall and
On 29 August 2013 11:59, Barry Cornelius wrote:
> adding the information to OSM as the data provided by a council can be
> out-of-date and it is necessary to check whether the data agrees with what's
> on the ground. There are also licensing issues.
The councils' definitive maps override what i
On 29 August 2013 09:42, sk53.osm wrote:
> comparable to the European Environment Agency's Urban Atlas. The slides are
> here. I think there are enough details in the methodology for anyone to
You might have warned me about the size of the document, so I
downloaded it at off peak times!
Unfortu
On 28 August 2013 23:15, Dudley Ibbett wrote:
>
> This would perhaps suggest they should be marked as ways with barrier=hedge
> and hedge=line_of_trees or perhaps just the latter.
>
> An alternative might be to use natural=tree_row which is defined in the wiki
> but the examples seem more to relat
On 28 August 2013 09:50, sk53.osm wrote:
> churchyard (probably the tag you are looking for landuse=churchyard, to
> heavily used but in existence) instead of a church: you need one of the
I was hoping for something with less Christian connotations. Besides
having a zero taginfor score, landuse
The rules for places of worship differ from other amenities in that
there is a strong diktat that only the actual building (where there is
a building) should be tagged. This seems to be partially backed up by
an assumption that all places of worship are medieval churches with
graveyards, so that t
On 24 August 2013 12:32, sk53.osm wrote:
> I doubt if anyone checks the Naptan account: it's an import account largely
> to separate personal mapping from imports. Furthermore I don't know how
> active the user who co-ordinated the imports is these days: info is
> available on the wiki.
The wiki
NaPTAN stops can be placed in one of the following categories
(initially the not-verified one):
- not-verified (imported but not surveyed on the ground);
- verified (NaPTAN data has been correlated with a physical stop on
the ground and the location adjusted, if necessary);
- physically not presen
On 23 August 2013 22:15, Paul Bivand wrote:
>
> However, I normally ignore spacing because the concept of area code is dying.
There is a secondary reason for spacing and that is that short term
memory can only cope with about 7 things at once, so it is a good idea
to break numbers down into grou
On 22 August 2013 10:03, Lester Caine wrote:
> website=xxx - which will give the details (if we could access them from the
> map)
If you access it from http://www.openlinkmap.org/ you can access them
from the map (and also phone numbers).
___
Talk-GB
On 22 August 2013 18:57, Colin Smale wrote:
> I am not sure what your issue was with highway=path etc, but do you mean
> rationalising as in the sense of reducing the number of tags, thus losing
> (subtle) distinctions? I can't see how that is the same as the phone number
> format issue.
>
> Calli
On 22 August 2013 15:46, Brian Prangle wrote:
>
> In the West Midlands we have dozens of these which cater mainly for Asian
> weddings and celebrations where large extended families have to be catered
> for. Probably the same in most large urban areas. I generally just tag them
> as building=yes a
On 22 August 2013 10:03, Lester Caine wrote:
> website=xxx - which will give the details (if we could access them from the
> map)
I'm not sure if I can quote the website in this case as Google may
have a database copyright on it. I generally only quote websites if
they are advertised on the geo
On 22 August 2013 08:43, Oliver Jowett wrote:
>> - no delimiter (+442079460676)
>> - misplaced delimiter (+44 207 946 0676)
>
>
> Aren't these unambiguous already?
>
They breach the existing guidelines, which call for the (UK usage)
area code to be delimited. In particular, in London, you can d
On 22 August 2013 08:41, Lester Caine wrote:
> specialist market band wagon, 'Banqueting hall' is another use that could be
> applied anywhere, but I can see that being a specialist type of restaurant
> rather than a 'hall' since essentially it's a place to eat with some form of
> themed entertai
On 22 August 2013 08:07, OpenStreetmap HADW wrote:
> On 21 August 2013 14:44, Craig Wallace wrote:
>>
>
> That's probably better than banqueting hall. On the other hand, it
> needs to be distinguished from the concept "exposition centre" which
One other
Something I've noticed is that the British seem to be particularly bad
at entering phone numbers properly, in particular, more than half of
them have been entered in national format; even the Americans seem to
get this one right and so do other countries.
Other common problems are:
- the bogus (0
On 21 August 2013 14:44, Craig Wallace wrote:
> Banqueting hall seems rather specific.
> These types of places may be used for a wide variety of events, so may be
> known by different names. eg might be used for conferences, exhibition, live
> music etc.
>
> I think a more generic tag for an "eve
I've come across a building that provides the sort of facilities that
one might find in some hotels for day time and evening functions
(weddings, posh birthday parties, etc.), but does not have any
overnight accommodation. It is too commercial/up market for a village
hall type community centre cat
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