Being a lone mapper up to now it's been interesting to read everyone's
comments, a good wide range of views.
Brian, to answer your question about priorities, I don't particularly have
any. My thoughts were to choose a selection of different types of company
and if see we can't work out where the l
On 21 December 2017 at 10:28, Frederik Ramm wrote:
> Your approach will ultimately lead to every last
> large-chain pub in England being nicely mapped from afar, whereas the
> independent pub next door has to wait until a mapper comes around.
Did we not have a data set supplied by a trade body,
On 21/12/2017 09:15, Ilya Zverev wrote:
...
Or do you think the map does not need imports and that every shop and amenity
will be mapped without them before they are out of business?
Maybe it's worth having a look at an example.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/245390956 is a petrol station
This discussion brings a couple of similar sayings to mind (and there
are many more in the same vein):
_To Sacrifice The Good On The Altar Of The Perfect_
= and =
_Perfect is the enemy of good_ [1]
A dataset will never be perfect. Resisting an import because a small
proportion of the data is
On 21/12/2017 15:49, Frederik Ramm wrote:
Hi,
On 21.12.2017 16:13, Mark Goodge wrote:
My vision of OSM is a movement which places its users first, by
providing the maximum utility possible for those who look at the maps.
That means maximising the quantity, accuracy, relevance and timeliness
o
Hi,
On 21.12.2017 16:13, Mark Goodge wrote:
> My vision of OSM is a movement which places its users first, by
> providing the maximum utility possible for those who look at the maps.
> That means maximising the quantity, accuracy, relevance and timeliness
> of the data.
That is certainly a valid
On 21/12/2017 10:28, Frederik Ramm wrote:
My vision of OSM is that of a grassroots movement that makes its own
decisions about the data. We decide what the fuel station around the
corner is called - not the marketing department of the fuel station
chain. Corporate interests already dictate eno
Eloquently put as ever Frederick. I share your lament about the seemingly
unattainable vision, which I happen to share. I would dearly love there to
be 10 times the number of consistently active mappers in the UK, but it
seems to be an order of magnitude more difficult ot persuade people to
maintai
On 21-Dec-17 09:28 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
Hi,
A lot is wrong with capitalism; large chains are one of those things.
Small independent shops, booksellers, or pubs *already* face
difficulties against the marketing and purchasing power of big
corporations. Your approach will ultimately lead to e
Hi,
On 21.12.2017 10:15, Ilya Zverev wrote:
> Frederik and Tom, please explain what has been wrong with the last import,
> and why osm_conflate + cf_audit tools used for it (conflation + community
> validation) still do not attain the required quality for OSM contributions?
Your tools are certa
On 21/12/17 09:33, Tom Hughes wrote:
People often imagine these things as perfectly curated and fully
normalised and standardised when the reality is often that they're
maintained as an excel spreadsheet by this weeks intern.
Also, web sites are maintained by advertising team in the marketin
On 21/12/17 09:15, Ilya Zverev wrote:
Frederik and Tom, please explain what has been wrong with the last import, and
why osm_conflate + cf_audit tools used for it (conflation + community
validation) still do not attain the required quality for OSM contributions?
I wasn't commenting on any pa
Again, with sarcasm.
Frederik and Tom, please explain what has been wrong with the last import, and
why osm_conflate + cf_audit tools used for it (conflation + community
validation) still do not attain the required quality for OSM contributions?
How would you build a process for importing large
Hi,
On 19.12.2017 16:20, Tom Hughes wrote:
> Which is exactly what everybody said about OSM when it started - that it
> couldn't possibly work and there'd never be enough people.
> Pretty sure we proved them wrong.
Perhaps that's what people mean when they say "OSM has to grow up" -
that we need
On 19 December 2017 at 15:20, Tom Hughes wrote:
>
>
> The fundamental problem of imports that conflate with existing data is
> that you have way of knowing whether or not you are actually improving
> anything - you are making an assumption that an "official" source will be
> up to date and accura
On 19/12/17 14:46, Brian Prangle wrote:
For those who decry the approach of using third party data, preferring
instead the personally surveyed approach, I echo Ilya's and Warin's
sentiments: Lloyds TSB demerged in 2013 and we still have 200 instances
of Lloyds TSB, TA Centres became Army Reser
Paul thank you for suggesting this, it's certainly something as a UK
community (and I guess more widely)we need to deal with. Unfortunately
website data can be problematic, as others have already indicated, for us
to use, but instead we should ask the organisations concerned to provide
the data in
On 19-Dec-17 05:42 AM, Ilya Zverev wrote:
18.12.2017 19:14, Frederik Ramm пишет:
Hi,
On 12/18/2017 03:09 PM, SK53 wrote:
Personally, I'd also be chary of turning OSM into a repository of
scraped data rather than one of surveyed geodata.
And more: the more imports you do, the more OpenStreetM
18.12.2017 19:14, Frederik Ramm пишет:
Hi,
On 12/18/2017 03:09 PM, SK53 wrote:
Personally, I'd also be chary of turning OSM into a repository of
scraped data rather than one of surveyed geodata.
And more: the more imports you do, the more OpenStreetMap becomes an IT
project where computer ner
Hi,
On 12/18/2017 03:09 PM, SK53 wrote:
> Personally, I'd also be chary of turning OSM into a repository of
> scraped data rather than one of surveyed geodata.
And more: the more imports you do, the more OpenStreetMap becomes an IT
project where computer nerds script, collect, convert, conflate,
Hi Paul,
On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 01:15:08PM +, paulmgill...@gmail.com wrote:
If store data can be pulled from directly from a company's public
facing website ('store finder' page) is there any reason we can't do
such imports without discussion with/permission from the company
concerned?
Because it is nearly always copyright, we don't have permission, and it's
against OSM's T&Cs. Additionally, not every organisation keeps up-to-date,
or even validated data on their websites.
Personally, I'd also be chary of turning OSM into a repository of scraped
data rather than one of surveyed
On 18/12/17 13:15, paulmgill...@gmail.com wrote:
Reading all the talk of Walmart and Shell imports recently got me to wondering
why we can't be doing more of this kind of thing.
If store data can be pulled from directly from a company's public facing
website ('store finder' page) is there any
Hi,
People have mentioned this before. The conversation usually then goes
to copyright (and the question of whether simple facts (such as
addresses, opening hours etc) can be copyrighted), then in fact it's
database rights that are probably the main barrier.* I'm not central
to all of this, nor a
Hi,
Reading all the talk of Walmart and Shell imports recently got me to wondering
why we can't be doing more of this kind of thing.
If store data can be pulled from directly from a company's public facing
website ('store finder' page) is there any reason we can't do such imports
without discu
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