Re: [Talk-GB] What is farmland?

2019-12-18 Thread James Derrick
On 16/12/2019 12:32, Andy Townsend wrote: * Firstly, I only tend to add farmland etc. after I've added fences, walls, ditches, gates, bits of woodland etc. (it's just easier that way around). * If the crop extends right up to the hedge, I'd tend to have the hedge sharing nodes

Re: [Talk-GB] What is farmland?

2019-12-16 Thread Roger Calvert
Round here (Cumbria), that would have sheep on it. When I did school geography, it was called Rough Pasture. Roger On 16/12/2019 14:13, Martin Wynne wrote: I'm happy to use "farmland" to mean cultivated land, whether for cash crops, pasture for livestock, haymaking, any farming activity.

Re: [Talk-GB] What is farmland?

2019-12-16 Thread Martin Wynne
I'm happy to use "farmland" to mean cultivated land, whether for cash crops, pasture for livestock, haymaking, any farming activity. But I keep finding myself on land for which none of the available tags really seem to apply. There seems to be one missing. For example:

Re: [Talk-GB] What is farmland?

2019-12-16 Thread SK53
I tend to map to field boundaries: it's all farmland in my view, just not necessarily productive. In particular strips of grass around arable may be a short-term consequence of various subsidy schemes, or game cover crops. Many ditches are there to improve the drainage of the fields so I'd see

Re: [Talk-GB] What is farmland?

2019-12-16 Thread Philip Barnes
On Monday, 16 December 2019, Gareth L wrote: > I’m all for using a polygon per field, but am unsure what to do at the > boundaries. Do I make 2 field polygons meet? Or leave a gap as there’s a > track/hedge/fence/small coppice/ ditch/drain ? I’m probably not going to be > able to map the

Re: [Talk-GB] What is farmland?

2019-12-16 Thread Andy Townsend
On 16/12/2019 11:59, Gareth L wrote: I’m all for using a polygon per field, but am unsure what to do at the boundaries. Do I make 2 field polygons meet? Or leave a gap as there’s a track/hedge/fence/small coppice/ ditch/drain ? I’m probably not going to be able to map the boundary

Re: [Talk-GB] What is farmland?

2019-12-16 Thread Gareth L
> On Monday, 16 December 2019, David Groom wrote: >>> -- Original Message -- >>> From: "Dave F via Talk-GB" >>> To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org >>> Sent: 14/12/2019 15:54:13 >>> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] What is farmland? >

Re: [Talk-GB] What is farmland?

2019-12-16 Thread SK53
to such situations: There are other reasons which others have alluded too. Jerry On Mon, 16 Dec 2019 at 10:09, David Groom wrote: > -- Original Message -- > From: "Dave F via Talk-GB" > To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org > Sent: 14/12/2019 15:54:13 > Subject: Re: [

Re: [Talk-GB] What is farmland?

2019-12-16 Thread Tony OSM
for several years before being developed for housing/industrial/retail. On 16/12/2019 10:21, Philip Barnes wrote: On Monday, 16 December 2019, David Groom wrote: -- Original Message -- From: "Dave F via Talk-GB" To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Sent: 14/12/2019 15:54:13 Subject: Re

Re: [Talk-GB] What is farmland?

2019-12-16 Thread Tony OSM
2019, David Groom wrote: -- Original Message -- From: "Dave F via Talk-GB" To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Sent: 14/12/2019 15:54:13 Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] What is farmland? On 14/12/2019 15:19, Martin Wynne wrote: Is this "farmland"? http://85a.uk/haws_hill_960x600.

Re: [Talk-GB] What is farmland?

2019-12-16 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
16 Dec 2019, 11:07 by revi...@pacific-rim.net: > -- Original Message -- > From: "Dave F via Talk-GB" <> talk-gb@openstreetmap.org> > > To: > talk-gb@openstreetmap.org > Sent: 14/12/2019 15:54:13 > Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] What is farmland? > &

Re: [Talk-GB] What is farmland?

2019-12-16 Thread David Woolley
On 16/12/2019 10:07, David Groom wrote: I see no benefit to mapping individual fields as separate polygons tagged as farmland if adjacent fields are also farmland. Could you explain why you think this is best? I see no reason why mapping individual fields would not be an objective for OSM.

Re: [Talk-GB] What is farmland?

2019-12-16 Thread David Groom
-- Original Message -- From: "Dave F via Talk-GB" To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Sent: 14/12/2019 15:54:13 Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] What is farmland? On 14/12/2019 15:19, Martin Wynne wrote: Is this "farmland"? http://85a.uk/haws_hill_960x600.jpg I would say ye

Re: [Talk-GB] What is farmland?

2019-12-14 Thread Warin
On 15/12/19 04:12, John Aldridge wrote: On 14-Dec-19 16:52, SK53 wrote: Like Dave I have come to the view that mapping individual fields as farmland is a good way to do it. I too concur. Here's the diary entry I wrote when I was doing the fields round here... I have at least some crop

Re: [Talk-GB] What is farmland?

2019-12-14 Thread John Aldridge
On 14-Dec-19 16:52, SK53 wrote: Like Dave I have come to the view that mapping individual fields as farmland is a good way to do it. I too concur. Here's the diary entry I wrote when I was doing the fields round here... https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/jpsa/diary/17738 Cheers, John

Re: [Talk-GB] What is farmland?

2019-12-14 Thread SK53
Like Dave I have come to the view that mapping individual fields as farmland is a good way to do it. I use farmland=arable & farmland=pasture. This still does not cover cases of permanent grassland which are not used for pasture. I can see the value of farmland=livestock for things like pig

Re: [Talk-GB] What is farmland?

2019-12-14 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB
Some mappers use meadow for permanent pasture, on the basis that this is a fundamentally different use of land to putting it under the plough. Others believe that meadow should be reserved for "real" meadow, and that permanent pasture should be distinguished from cropland by some combination of

Re: [Talk-GB] What is farmland?

2019-12-14 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 14/12/2019 16:08, Martin Wynne wrote: I would say yes, as I believe both arable & livestock is farmland. Thanks Dave. But in that case, how on OSM do we differentiate between the two? I would have said farmland=arable/livestock, but it doesn't appear to be that popular.Have you searched

Re: [Talk-GB] What is farmland?

2019-12-14 Thread Mark Goodge
On 14/12/2019 16:08, Martin Wynne wrote: I would say yes, as I believe both arable & livestock is farmland. Thanks Dave. But in that case, how on OSM do we differentiate between the two? It seems silly that in some areas of OSM we can go into ridiculous detail, such as whether a bench

Re: [Talk-GB] What is farmland?

2019-12-14 Thread Dan S
Op za 14 dec. 2019 om 16:09 schreef Martin Wynne : > > > I would say yes, as I believe both arable & livestock is farmland. > > Thanks Dave. > > But in that case, how on OSM do we differentiate between the two? using an added tag farmland=* https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/keys/farmland >

Re: [Talk-GB] What is farmland?

2019-12-14 Thread Martin Wynne
I would say yes, as I believe both arable & livestock is farmland. Thanks Dave. But in that case, how on OSM do we differentiate between the two? It seems silly that in some areas of OSM we can go into ridiculous detail, such as whether a bench seat has a backrest, but vast tracts of land

Re: [Talk-GB] What is farmland?

2019-12-14 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 14/12/2019 15:19, Martin Wynne wrote: Is this "farmland"?  http://85a.uk/haws_hill_960x600.jpg I would say yes, as I believe both arable & livestock is farmland. I concur with your frustration about 'huge multi polygons', especially when joined to other features such as roads & rivers.