Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites

2020-09-28 Thread Dan S
Op ma 28 sep. 2020 om 20:55 schreef Dave F via Talk-GB : > > On 28/09/2020 17:53, Dan S wrote: > > Hi Rodrigo > > > > I think Loomio is designed > > for the purpose of making good decisions together: > > Come again? Why do you think "good decisions" can't be made here? What > do those who don't

Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites

2020-09-28 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 28/09/2020 17:53, Dan S wrote: Hi Rodrigo I think Loomio is designed for the purpose of making good decisions together: Come again? Why do you think "good decisions" can't be made here? What do those who don't wish to join yet another off-shoot do? DaveF

Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites

2020-09-28 Thread Dan S
Hi Chris, Both the wiki, and the Loomio, require a separate log in account which is not the same as the main OSM account. So the barriers are the same. I don't think the Loomio is restricted to just OSM UK "official business" - though I might be wrong! Someone please correct me. I do agree with

Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites

2020-09-28 Thread Chris Hill
{this time to the list] And the people who care about OSM and the way imports and automated edits affects OSM, but don't use Loomio and are not connected to OSM UK? What should they do? Everyone in OSM has access to the Wiki. Having said that, I'm not sure what a vote will do. OSM is very

Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites

2020-09-28 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-GB
28 wrz 2020, 13:53 od talk-gb@openstreetmap.org: > > > On 28/09/2020 10:00, Frederik Ramm wrote: >> The change you plan to execute is of limited use. Yes, it ensures more >> conformity in the data, but it will be a temporary fix (since new >> "wrong" URLs can be added at any time). >> > >

Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites

2020-09-28 Thread Dan S
Hi Rodrigo Before you create a vote on the wiki, can I suggest a different method? "OSM UK" has started using Loomio for discussions and votes, and it generally seems to work out well. I think Loomio is designed for the purpose of making good decisions together:

Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites

2020-09-28 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 28/09/2020 15:29, Rodrigo Díez Villamuera wrote: Thanks all of you for your messages. As a new joiner, I could not ask for more than other members engaging in such a passionate way :) It's fair to say that there is no clear consensus of whether the proposal, in its current form, is

Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites

2020-09-28 Thread Rodrigo Díez Villamuera
Thanks all of you for your messages. As a new joiner, I could not ask for more than other members engaging in such a passionate way :) It's fair to say that there is no clear consensus of whether the proposal, in its current form, is acceptable or not. So, I am going to create a voting section

Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites

2020-09-28 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
Three things to note: SO3166-1=GB is misnomered & includes Northern Ireland. (As I found out, some contributors there get annoyed with UK wide edits). You may want to use area(id:3600058447,3600058437,3600058446); // England Wales Scotland instead. Many pubs are mapped as ways/relations so

Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites

2020-09-28 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Mon, 28 Sep 2020 at 10:00, Frederik Ramm wrote: > The change you plan to execute is of limited use. Yes, it ensures more > conformity in the data, but it will be a temporary fix (since new > "wrong" URLs can be added at any time). This seems like an argument for never fixing any error. > So

Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites

2020-09-28 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 28/09/2020 10:56, Philip Barnes wrote: On Mon, 2020-09-28 at 10:10 +0100, Mark Goodge wrote: On 28/09/2020 10:00, Frederik Ramm wrote: Remember: OSM is not an IT project. Indeed not. But this is also a good example of the truism that OSM is not a map, it's a database. Having the right

Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites

2020-09-28 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 28.09.20 13:53, Dave F wrote: > Anyone can contribute to OSM in ways that best suits them. > He's here asking for advice & guidance ... and that's what he got from me. You're free to give different advice, though I didn't find yours convincing in any way. In my opinion the improvement

Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites

2020-09-28 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 28/09/2020 10:00, Frederik Ramm wrote: Rodrigo, On 27.09.20 17:28, Rodrigo Díez Villamuera wrote: After some time using OSM as a user, I decided to make my first step as a contributor, hence this email and the proposal inside. If your first idea of "how to contribute to OSM" is "how to

Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites

2020-09-28 Thread Andy Townsend
On 27/09/2020 16:28, Rodrigo Díez Villamuera wrote: I am importing a subset of nodes from UK (those tagged with amenity:pub) for a pet project. Firstly - welcome! When analysing the data I realised that some of these nodes contain a website: tag that does not contain an appropriate URL

Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites

2020-09-28 Thread Andy Townsend
On 28/09/2020 10:25, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote: Anyone know if there's a way to at least use a UK based server or to conveniently ping multiple websites directly? In this case I don't see how that helps - it wouldn't detect domain parking pages, which is usually where a domain goes after

Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites

2020-09-28 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2020-09-28 at 10:10 +0100, Mark Goodge wrote: > > On 28/09/2020 10:00, Frederik Ramm wrote: > > > Remember: OSM is not an IT project. > > Indeed not. But this is also a good example of the truism that OSM > is > not a map, it's a database. Having the right data in the database >

Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites

2020-09-28 Thread Rodrigo Díez Villamuera
Philip Barnes > *Sent:* 27 September 2020 18:49 > *To:* talk-gb@openstreetmap.org > > *Subject:* Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add > missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites > > On Sun, 2020-09-27 at 16:28 +0100, Rodrigo Díez Villamuera wrote: > >

Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites

2020-09-28 Thread ndrw
On 27/09/2020 16:28, Rodrigo Díez Villamuera wrote: Hi all, First of all, I would like to introduce myself on this email list and to thank you all for your contributions to OSM. Great work! After some time using OSM as a user, I decided to make my first step as a contributor, hence this

Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites

2020-09-28 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
:* Philip Barnes *Sent:* 27 September 2020 18:49 *To:* talk-gb@openstreetmap.org *Subject:* Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites On Sun, 2020-09-27 at 16:28 +0100, Rodrigo Díez Villamuera wrote: Hi all, First of all, I would like

Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites

2020-09-28 Thread Dan S
Thank you Frederik - that's a good way to put it all. Welcome Rodrigo! You'll find that Frederik's advice fits pretty well to a common strand of thinking in OpenStreetMap. His advice is surprising, for many of us joining OSM from an IT background (or even a Wikipedia background, where automated

Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites

2020-09-28 Thread Mark Goodge
On 28/09/2020 10:00, Frederik Ramm wrote: Remember: OSM is not an IT project. Indeed not. But this is also a good example of the truism that OSM is not a map, it's a database. Having the right data in the database matters. Fixing clear and obvious errors, such as invalid URLs in a

Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites

2020-09-28 Thread Frederik Ramm
Rodrigo, On 27.09.20 17:28, Rodrigo Díez Villamuera wrote: > After some time using OSM as a user, I decided to make my first step as > a contributor, hence this email and the proposal inside. If your first idea of "how to contribute to OSM" is "how to write a script that runs an automated edit

Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites

2020-09-28 Thread Rodrigo Díez Villamuera
nks that have gone offline. > > -- > Andrew > -- > *From:* Philip Barnes > *Sent:* 27 September 2020 18:49 > *To:* talk-gb@openstreetmap.org > *Subject:* Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add > missing URL scheme on UK's Pub

Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites

2020-09-27 Thread Andrew Hain
Keep Right flags web links that have gone offline. -- Andrew From: Philip Barnes Sent: 27 September 2020 18:49 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites On Sun

Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites

2020-09-27 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2020-09-27 at 16:28 +0100, Rodrigo Díez Villamuera wrote: > Hi all, > > First of all, I would like to introduce myself on this email list and > to thank you all for your contributions to OSM. Great work! > > After some time using OSM as a user, I decided to make my first step > as a

[Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites

2020-09-27 Thread Rodrigo Díez Villamuera
Hi all, First of all, I would like to introduce myself on this email list and to thank you all for your contributions to OSM. Great work! After some time using OSM as a user, I decided to make my first step as a contributor, hence this email and the proposal inside. Please bear in mind that