Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Sortie de RTKBase V2

[Stéphane Péneau]

Le 16/06/2020 à 23:28, Sébastien Dinot a écrit :

Stéphane Péneau a écrit :

http://www.stemani.fr/public/gnss/Fabrication_base_GNSS.pdf

Je viens de parcourir cette présentation et j'en conclus que j'aurais
adoré assister à ta conférence. A-t-elle été enregistrée ? Le cas
échéant, l'enregistrement est-il disponible en ligne ?

Sébastien


Malheureusement non, elle n'a pas été enregistrée.

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Re: [Talk-us] Railroad Tagging Location codes

[Clay Smalley]

I think it's helpful. Looks like these would go in the railway:ref=* tag of
railway=yard nodes.

On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 4:28 PM Natfoot  wrote:

> Hello to the list,
> Quick question
> Would location codes be helpful? Would they be helpful to list on the NA
> railway wiki?
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Natfoot_footnat#Location_Short_Hand
>
> See my profile on wiki for as an example.
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[Talk-us] Railroad Tagging Location codes

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Hello to the list,
Quick question
Would location codes be helpful? Would they be helpful to list on the NA
railway wiki?
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Natfoot_footnat#Location_Short_Hand

See my profile on wiki for as an example.


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] NRO avec ref ARCEP sans connection_point

[Jacques Lavignotte]

Le 17/06/2020 à 00:04, Francois Gouget a écrit :


nombreux phone=substation sur Niort ?


C'est plutôt bizarre...

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Telecoms/France#Armoires_de_sous-r.C3.A9partition 
???


-> man_made=street_cabinet + street_cabinet=telecom + telecom=exchange ?
   (on a même des photos Mapillary pour ceux-là)

Fais voir...

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Re: [Talk-GB] Cycle Track - part/soft protection tags - proposal

[Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-GB]

Do you have a photo of such feature?

https://i1.wp.com/bicilonatours.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/barcelona-cr-urgell.png
link is dead


Jun 16, 2020, 20:21 by simon.st...@gmail.com:

> Full disclosure - I’m currently working for London Cycling Campaign on a 
> project to bring data from the Transport For London Cycling Infrastructure 
> Database to OSM.
>
> As part of this the question arose as to how to tag cycle facilities that are 
> give more protection and comfort than a painted lane on the road but not as 
> much as a fully protected lane with, say, a 50cm concrete kerb separating 
> cyclists from motor traffic. 
>
> This was raised here - 
>
> https://github.com/cyclestreets/tflcid-conversion/issues/23
>
> There are may types of ‘hybrid’, ‘partial, or ‘soft’ separation.  The London 
> COVID-19 ‘StreetScape’ programme is bring a lot of this type of 
> infrastructure to London’s streets very quickly.  Looking at OSM Wiki and 
> previous discussions it doesn’t appear that there is a definitive way to 
> record these. And indeed, looking at the recent infrastructure and how it has 
> been entered to OSM by users it is not happening consistently as a result. 
>
> My view on this is that the greatest distinction is between a painted lane 
> and a track (that has some form of protection).  The difference between the 
> different types of track is less than between no protection at all and 
> ’something’.  
>
>
> Given the multitude of different ways of giving some protection to cyclists I 
> wonder whether it is better to treat them all as variants of track (since 
> they all offer much greater protection than a lane but vary in comfort level 
> - in my view in this order of comfort).
>
>
>
> cycleway:track=kerb
> cycleway:track=rubber_kerb_wand
> cycleway:track=rubber_kerb
>
>
> cycleway:track=concrete_barrier
> cycleway:track=plastic_barrier
>
>
>
> cycleway:track=stepped
> cycleway:track=wandorca
> cycleway:track=wand
> cycleway:track=orca
>
>
>
>
> There may be more I've forgotten.
>
> This would mean that routing engines would see either lane or track at the 
> basic level, but the routing engine designer could then add further 
> refinement using info about the type of track (in combination  perhaps with 
> the size/speed of the road it was alongside) if that info was available.   
> The detail of the precise type of infra is relevant (rather than just simply 
> tagging these with a generic tag such as ‘part protected’ or ‘hybrid’ since 
> it may be that some types of infra prove more successful or have safety 
> issues and there is a desire to identify locations where they are present (eg 
> the concrete or water filed barriers prevent informal crossing of the road by 
> pedestrians) 
>
> Since this infra is being rolled out quickly and in volume (both in London 
> and internationally - though London, due to the fragmented local authorities 
> seems to be doing it in far more varied ways than other places) there is a 
> benefit to establishing this now 
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] NRO avec ref ARCEP sans connection_point

[Francois Gouget]

On Tue, 16 Jun 2020, deuzeffe wrote:

> Bonsoir,
> 
> Soit un NRO dans un zouli shelter.
> 
> Si je lis bien le wiki, les tags minimum sont :
> - telecom=exchange
> - telecom:medium=fibre

À ce propos, est-ce que telecom=exchange serait approprié pour les 
nombreux phone=substation sur Niort ?

https://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/fr/map/#item=3092=15=46.32123=-0.44826=1%2C2%2C3

Par exemple :
https://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/fr/error/102b9ece-2d42-7fed-e63a-01a3231586d3
https://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/fr/error/a25c4498-9177-f631-b17d-137ea375ddba
https://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/fr/error/041aed96-aac5-1690-4ffd-d5b6ccf68a95

-> man_made=street_cabinet + street_cabinet=telecom + telecom=exchange ?
   (on a même des photos Mapillary pour ceux-là)

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Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] fake, edit, fake map.

[Maarten Deen]

Again, take it up with the mapper first. You talk as if the mapper makes 
mistakes on purpose and the only object is to create an incorrect map. 
I'm sure he's not and he just needs to be told not to rely on aerial 
imagery that much.
But again: take it up with the mapper. You have still not commented on 
the changeset. That should be your first step.


Or what do you want to accomplish by posting this on this list.

Regards,
Maarten

On 2020-06-16 23:07, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk wrote:

How old is the satellite view, do we even know, or are we making a
fake map here.

what about fact checking ?
Tuesday, June 16, 2020 12:58 PM -05:00 from James
:

as have I, I don't live it Africa, made edits there, I certainly
don't live in North Korea, made edits there, I don't live in
Florida, made edits there. What's your point being 100miles away?
Some of these places I have visited, some I haven't

On Tue., Jun. 16, 2020, 1:54 p.m. Hauke Stieler,
 wrote:I made edits from 2000km away from
where I live. But I was there on
vacation. It's possible that these editors were there, even if they
aren't locals ;)

Just be happy about good edits in your region and talk to them if
you
have something to discuss.

Hauke

On 16.06.20 19:24, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk wrote:

i am trying to make a point here about editors that are 100 of

miles away.




Tuesday, June 16, 2020 12:20 PM -05:00 from Clay Smalley
:

Not sure what it is you're trying to point out here. Have you
started a conversation with the person who made that edit?

On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 9:11 AM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us

>

wrote:

Added a service road.

Edited about  hours ago by

Version #1 · Changeset #86698283


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Sortie de RTKBase V2

[Sébastien Dinot]

Stéphane Péneau a écrit :
> http://www.stemani.fr/public/gnss/Fabrication_base_GNSS.pdf

Je viens de parcourir cette présentation et j'en conclus que j'aurais
adoré assister à ta conférence. A-t-elle été enregistrée ? Le cas
échéant, l'enregistrement est-il disponible en ligne ?

Sébastien

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Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] fake, edit, fake map.

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On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 3:08 PM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us <
talk-us@openstreetmap.org> wrote:
>
> How old is the satellite view, do we even know, or are we making a fake
map here.
In JOSM, if you right click on Bing Imagery, Show Tile Info, it will
display "Metadata Capture Date", which is the date, or range of dates, when
the image was captured.  I don't think other sources have this feature.

>
> what about fact checking ?
The details you have added (fence, way not running all the way through,
etc.) are wonderful, but probably no overhead imagery source, no matter how
recent, is going to show that detail, especially with the tree cover in
that area.  Remote mappers can do a lot of good, sometimes they get things
wrong.  It is great that you are local and can correct these things.

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Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] fake, edit, fake map.

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On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 3:08 PM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us <
talk...@openstreetmap.org> wrote:
>
> How old is the satellite view, do we even know, or are we making a fake
map here.
In JOSM, if you right click on Bing Imagery, Show Tile Info, it will
display "Metadata Capture Date", which is the date, or range of dates, when
the image was captured.  I don't think other sources have this feature.

>
> what about fact checking ?
The details you have added (fence, way not running all the way through,
etc.) are wonderful, but probably no overhead imagery source, no matter how
recent, is going to show that detail, especially with the tree cover in
that area.  Remote mappers can do a lot of good, sometimes they get things
wrong.  It is great that you are local and can correct these things.

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[Talk-de] FOSSGIS-OSMF-Stammtisch am Donnerstag, den 18. Juni 2020

[Michael Reichert]

Hallo,

der nächste FOSSGIS-OSMF-Stammtisch findet am Donnerstag, den 18. Juni
2020 findet ab 20:00 Uhr auf dem FOSSGIS-Mumble-Server
(podcast.openstreetmap.de) statt. Alle Mapperinnen und Mapper sind
eingeladen teilzunehmen.

Es wird u.a. um folgende Themen gehen:

- Positionierung des FOSSGIS e.V. zu den Vorschlägen des OSMF-Vorstands
  in Sachen iD-Editor [1, 2, 3]
- Umbenennung des Stammtisch in eine Arbeitsgruppe (Vorschlag von Jochen
  Topf auf dem letzten Aktiventreffen)

Weitere Themen könnt ihr gerne während der Mumble-Sitzung vorbringen.

Bitte schaltet in eurem Mumble-Client vor Beginn der Sitzung
Push-to-Talk ein (eine Taste muss dann gedrückt gehalten werden, solange
ihr sprecht), um Echos und andere unerwünschte Mikrofoneinschaltungen zu
vermeiden. Das ist im Menü unter Konfiguration → Einstellungen →
Audioeingabe → Übertragen möglich.

Das Protokoll vom letzten Mal findet ihr unter
https://fossgis.de/wiki/FOSSGIS-OSMF-Stammtisch/2020-05-25

Viele Grüße

Michael


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Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] fake, edit, fake map.

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>How old is the satellite view, do we even know, or are we making a fake map 
>here.
> 
>what about fact checking ?
>>Tuesday, June 16, 2020 12:58 PM -05:00 from James < james2...@gmail.com >:
>> 
>>as have I, I don't live it Africa, made edits there, I certainly don't live 
>>in North Korea, made edits there, I don't live in Florida, made edits there. 
>>What's your point being 100miles away? Some of these places I have visited, 
>>some I haven't  
>>On Tue., Jun. 16, 2020, 1:54 p.m. Hauke Stieler, < m...@hauke-stieler.de > 
>>wrote: 
>>>I made edits from 2000km away from where I live. But I was there on
>>>vacation. It's possible that these editors were there, even if they
>>>aren't locals ;)
>>>
>>>Just be happy about good edits in your region and talk to them if you
>>>have something to discuss.
>>>
>>>Hauke
>>>
>>>On 16.06.20 19:24, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk wrote:
 i am trying to make a point here about editors that are 100 of miles away.

  

     Tuesday, June 16, 2020 12:20 PM -05:00 from Clay Smalley
     < claysmal...@gmail.com >:
      
     Not sure what it is you're trying to point out here. Have you
     started a conversation with the person who made that edit?
      
     On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 9:11 AM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us
     < talk-us@openstreetmap.org
     >
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         Added a service road.

         Edited about  hours ago by 

         Version #1 · Changeset #86698283

          
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Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] fake, edit, fake map.

[80hnhtv4agou--- via talk]

>How old is the satellite view, do we even know, or are we making a fake map 
>here.
> 
>what about fact checking ?
>>Tuesday, June 16, 2020 12:58 PM -05:00 from James < james2...@gmail.com >:
>> 
>>as have I, I don't live it Africa, made edits there, I certainly don't live 
>>in North Korea, made edits there, I don't live in Florida, made edits there. 
>>What's your point being 100miles away? Some of these places I have visited, 
>>some I haven't  
>>On Tue., Jun. 16, 2020, 1:54 p.m. Hauke Stieler, < m...@hauke-stieler.de > 
>>wrote: 
>>>I made edits from 2000km away from where I live. But I was there on
>>>vacation. It's possible that these editors were there, even if they
>>>aren't locals ;)
>>>
>>>Just be happy about good edits in your region and talk to them if you
>>>have something to discuss.
>>>
>>>Hauke
>>>
>>>On 16.06.20 19:24, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk wrote:
 i am trying to make a point here about editors that are 100 of miles away.

  

     Tuesday, June 16, 2020 12:20 PM -05:00 from Clay Smalley
     < claysmal...@gmail.com >:
      
     Not sure what it is you're trying to point out here. Have you
     started a conversation with the person who made that edit?
      
     On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 9:11 AM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us
     < talk...@openstreetmap.org
     >
     wrote:

         Added a service road.

         Edited about  hours ago by 

         Version #1 · Changeset #86698283

          
          https://imgur.com/gallery/k6Zjnqm
          
          
          
          
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Ajout d'un identifiant unique des cinémas en France

[Yves P.]

>> De mémoire quand j'avais travaillé sur le logiciel de billetterie, une salle 
>> ne peut rien projeter si elle n'a pas d'autorisation du CNC.
>> C'est très contrôlé !!
> 
> C'est peut-être tout simplement parce que ces salles ne diffusent pas de 
> films provenant du circuit commercial classique, mais leurs propres 
> productions (par exemple). Elle n'aurait donc pas besoin d'autorisation pour 
> ça.
C'est peut-être le cas mais pour les salles que je connais qui ne sont pas 
référencées, elles font partie d'un circuit de cinéma itinérant.

J'ai oublié les détails, mais elles sont rattachées à un circuit. J'ai contacté 
l'Association nationale des cinémas itinérants pour en savoir plus.

Si vous avez des infos, je suis preneur :)

En fait n° d'autorisation CNC ou pas peu importe, ce qui est important est de 
ne pas oublier de salles dans OSM.

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Re: [Talk-ca] WikiProject Canada Post - franchise assessment

[David Nelson via Talk-ca]

That is precisely how I would prefer these spreadsheets to be used, to guide 
ground surveys.  There is in fact nothing stopping us from using any data 
source we wish to guide ground surveys, because we would be gathering data only 
from those surveys.

- David E. Nelson


From: john whelan
Sent: June 16, 2020 07:16
To: Justin Tracey
Cc: David Nelson; Pierre Béland via Talk-ca
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] WikiProject Canada Post - franchise assessment

I think you can use it to see where to look.

If there is only one building and you can see a Canada Post logo floating 
around I think it is fair game.

Canada Post is part of federal government so there is some sort of commitment 
to Open Data floating around under the Federal government's open data 
initiative.

Cheerio John

On Tue, Jun 16, 2020, 09:10 Justin Tracey  wrote:
Is it legal to import that data from the Canada Post site?

 - Justin

On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 8:04 AM David Nelson via Talk-ca 
 wrote:
I have just finished assessing which post offices in Canada among those we have 
not yet added to OSM are franchises, and which of those franchise outlets' 
parent businesses already appear in our database.  Those such locations are now 
marked in pale red on the project's spreadsheets.  The node for each such post 
office location just has to be positioned right next to its respective parent 
business.  You can determine what each parent business is by looking on Canada 
Post’s own website, or by doing a simple web search for the postal code of each 
such outlet.  With this, we are in a position to immediately add nearly 700 
more Canada Post outlets across the country to OSM.  This would bring the 
progress of this project to a completion measure of just under 48 percent.
 
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Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] fake, edit, FAKE map.

[80hnhtv4agou--- via talk]

ok !

  
>Tuesday, June 16, 2020 1:14 PM -05:00 from Clay Smalley 
>:
> 
>To be clear, you mean that everyone is mapping incorrectly if they are not 
>local? That's an absurd premise—lots of mappers do valuable remote work 
>without having to be on the ground and see what they're mapping in person. Of 
>course, disputes arise between local mappers and remote mappers, and it's best 
>to follow the judgment of local mappers in such situations. But it's a stretch 
>to say that remote mappers are always wrong.
> 
>Complaining to the mailing list won't make anything better. You have the power 
>to fix this yourself. What's holding you back?  
>On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 10:20 AM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us < 
>talk...@openstreetmap.org > wrote:
>>I meant everbody is if they are not local.
>>
>>  
>>>Tuesday, June 16, 2020 12:17 PM -05:00 from Maarten Deen < md...@xs4all.nl >:
>>> 
>>>On 2020-06-16 18:09, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk wrote:
 Added a service road.

 Edited about hours ago by

 Version #1 · Changeset #86698283

  https://imgur.com/gallery/k6Zjnqm
>>>If you think it is fake, you first comment on the changeset and ask the
>>>mapper to explain. Or look at his profile and see if you can get more
>>>information about the mapper.
>>>If you think the mapper is continuously mapping incorrectly you can
>>>address the OSMF. But than you need to be able to show some kind of
>>>dialog with the mapper in question and show that he is repeatedly and
>>>purpousfully mapping incorrectly.
>>>
>>>Regards,
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Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] fake, edit, FAKE map.

[80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us]

ok !

  
>Tuesday, June 16, 2020 1:14 PM -05:00 from Clay Smalley 
>:
> 
>To be clear, you mean that everyone is mapping incorrectly if they are not 
>local? That's an absurd premise—lots of mappers do valuable remote work 
>without having to be on the ground and see what they're mapping in person. Of 
>course, disputes arise between local mappers and remote mappers, and it's best 
>to follow the judgment of local mappers in such situations. But it's a stretch 
>to say that remote mappers are always wrong.
> 
>Complaining to the mailing list won't make anything better. You have the power 
>to fix this yourself. What's holding you back?  
>On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 10:20 AM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us < 
>talk-us@openstreetmap.org > wrote:
>>I meant everbody is if they are not local.
>>
>>  
>>>Tuesday, June 16, 2020 12:17 PM -05:00 from Maarten Deen < md...@xs4all.nl >:
>>> 
>>>On 2020-06-16 18:09, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk wrote:
 Added a service road.

 Edited about hours ago by

 Version #1 · Changeset #86698283

  https://imgur.com/gallery/k6Zjnqm
>>>If you think it is fake, you first comment on the changeset and ask the
>>>mapper to explain. Or look at his profile and see if you can get more
>>>information about the mapper.
>>>If you think the mapper is continuously mapping incorrectly you can
>>>address the OSMF. But than you need to be able to show some kind of
>>>dialog with the mapper in question and show that he is repeatedly and
>>>purpousfully mapping incorrectly.
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>Maarten 
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Sortie de RTKBase V2

[Sébastien Dinot]

Jacques Lavignotte a écrit :
> Le rapport avec OSM ?

La question posée ne me semblait pas fermée, j'ai donc fait une réponse
ouverte, ne se focalisant pas sur OSM.

Mais même en le faisant, je dirais qu'OSM n'est pas une fin en soi. Une
base de données géographique, ce n'est pas une œuvre d'art qui « est »
et n'a pas à justifier son existence. Une base de données géographique,
c'est une base de connaissances, créée en réponse à des besoins et
visant l'utilisation la plus large possible. Plus cette base sera
précise dans la géolocalisation, le tracé et la description des objets
géographiques qu'elle référence, plus son utilité s'en trouvera
augmentée.

Sébastien

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Ajout d'un identifiant unique des cinémas en France

[Stéphane Péneau]

Le 10/06/2020 à 11:12, Yves P. a écrit :
Je ne sais pas ce qu'on pourrait demander au téléphone : on sait que 
ces salles existent et on sait qu'elles ne sont pas référencées par 
le CNC.


De mémoire quand j'avais travaillé sur le logiciel de billetterie, une 
salle ne peut rien projeter si elle n'a pas d'autorisation du CNC.

C'est très contrôlé !!



C'est peut-être tout simplement parce que ces salles ne diffusent pas de 
films provenant du circuit commercial classique, mais leurs propres 
productions (par exemple). Elle n'aurait donc pas besoin d'autorisation 
pour ça.



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Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] fake, edit, fake map.

[Mateusz Konieczny via talk]

Then you are wasting our time for multiple reasons.

1) it is unclear what is the point of making this specific point
2) we are not mind readers, it was not obvious at all that you 
are making this specific point
3) why you were sending weird links without explanation
4) why you keep making "fake map" threads without any useful content?

Also, why you are using text formatted to be blue in your emails?

If you have trouble with specific edit, write a changeset comment.
If user/group of paid mappers keeps misbehaving - write to DWG.
Stop making pointless threads.

Jun 16, 2020, 19:24 by talk@openstreetmap.org:

> i am trying to make a point here about editors that are 100 of miles away.
>
>  
>
>> Tuesday, June 16, 2020 12:20 PM -05:00 from Clay Smalley 
>> :
>>  
>> Not sure what it is you're trying to point out here. Have you started a 
>> conversation with the person who made that edit?
>>  
>> On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 9:11 AM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us <>> 
>> talk...@openstreetmap.org >> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Added a service road.
>>>
>>>
>>> Edited about  hours ago by 
>>>
>>>
>>> Version #1 · Changeset #86698283
>>>
>>>  
>>> https://imgur.com/gallery/k6Zjnqm
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Sortie de RTKBase V2

[Stéphane Péneau]

Le 16/06/2020 à 19:39, Jacques Lavignotte a écrit :



Le 16/06/2020 à 17:22, Sébastien Dinot a écrit :


Le positionnement à 3 mètres n'est pas suffisant pour tout un tas
d'applications, notamment en lien avec la robotique et la conduite
autonome sur route ou même dans les airs ou sur l'eau.


Le rapport avec OSM ?

Il y a un nouvel aménagement près de chez toi. Pour l'intégrer sur Osm, 
on te propose une trace précise à +/- 3 mètres, ou une autre à +/- 5 cm.


Quelle trace choisiras-tu, et pourquoi ?

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Re: [Talk-GB] COVID road changes

[Simon Still]

>Temporary and experimental traffic orders may include a date on which
>the expire or have to be reviewed, so that could perhaps be tagged?

>None of the orders which I have seen have explicitly mentioned Covid-19,
>but any suggestions about how to tag these would be useful.
A COVID-19 tag  - or  #StreetspaceLDN  StreetspaceLondon or some variation 
could also enable mapping that highlights the temporary infrastructure (I know 
there is interest in this within the cycling community) 

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[Talk-GB] Cycle Track - part/soft protection tags - proposal

[Simon Still]

Full disclosure - I’m currently working for London Cycling Campaign on a 
project to bring data from the Transport For London Cycling Infrastructure 
Database to OSM.

As part of this the question arose as to how to tag cycle facilities that are 
give more protection and comfort than a painted lane on the road but not as 
much as a fully protected lane with, say, a 50cm concrete kerb separating 
cyclists from motor traffic. 

This was raised here - 

https://github.com/cyclestreets/tflcid-conversion/issues/23 


There are may types of ‘hybrid’, ‘partial, or ‘soft’ separation.  The London 
COVID-19 ‘StreetScape’ programme is bring a lot of this type of infrastructure 
to London’s streets very quickly.  Looking at OSM Wiki and previous discussions 
it doesn’t appear that there is a definitive way to record these. And indeed, 
looking at the recent infrastructure and how it has been entered to OSM by 
users it is not happening consistently as a result. 

My view on this is that the greatest distinction is between a painted lane and 
a track (that has some form of protection).  The difference between the 
different types of track is less than between no protection at all and 
’something’.  

Given the multitude of different ways of giving some protection to cyclists I 
wonder whether it is better to treat them all as variants of track (since they 
all offer much greater protection than a lane but vary in comfort level - in my 
view in this order of comfort).

cycleway:track=kerb
cycleway:track=rubber_kerb_wand
cycleway:track=rubber_kerb

cycleway:track=concrete_barrier
cycleway:track=plastic_barrier

cycleway:track=stepped
cycleway:track=wandorca
cycleway:track=wand
cycleway:track=orca



There may be more I've forgotten.

This would mean that routing engines would see either lane or track at the 
basic level, but the routing engine designer could then add further refinement 
using info about the type of track (in combination  perhaps with the size/speed 
of the road it was alongside) if that info was available.   The detail of the 
precise type of infra is relevant (rather than just simply tagging these with a 
generic tag such as ‘part protected’ or ‘hybrid’ since it may be that some 
types of infra prove more successful or have safety issues and there is a 
desire to identify locations where they are present (eg the concrete or water 
filed barriers prevent informal crossing of the road by pedestrians) 

Since this infra is being rolled out quickly and in volume (both in London and 
internationally - though London, due to the fragmented local authorities seems 
to be doing it in far more varied ways than other places) there is a benefit to 
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[OSM-talk-nl] De Grote Geo Show - ep. 10 - VAKANTIE SPECIAL!

[Just van den Broecke]

Beste Mensen,

De 10e aflevering is ook de laatste voor de zomerstop.
Zie programma op
https://tv.osgeo.nl/episode/episode-0010/

Groet,

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Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] fake, edit, FAKE map.

[Clay Smalley]

To be clear, you mean that everyone is mapping incorrectly if they are not
local? That's an absurd premise—lots of mappers do valuable remote work
without having to be on the ground and see what they're mapping in person.
Of course, disputes arise between local mappers and remote mappers, and
it's best to follow the judgment of local mappers in such situations. But
it's a stretch to say that remote mappers are always wrong.

Complaining to the mailing list won't make anything better. You have the
power to fix this yourself. What's holding you back?

On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 10:20 AM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us <
talk-us@openstreetmap.org> wrote:

> I meant everbody is if they are not local.
>
>
>
> Tuesday, June 16, 2020 12:17 PM -05:00 from Maarten Deen  >:
>
> On 2020-06-16 18:09, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk wrote:
> > Added a service road.
> >
> > Edited about hours ago by
> >
> > Version #1 · Changeset #86698283
> >
> > https://imgur.com/gallery/k6Zjnqm
>
> If you think it is fake, you first comment on the changeset and ask the
> mapper to explain. Or look at his profile and see if you can get more
> information about the mapper.
> If you think the mapper is continuously mapping incorrectly you can
> address the OSMF. But than you need to be able to show some kind of
> dialog with the mapper in question and show that he is repeatedly and
> purpousfully mapping incorrectly.
>
> Regards,
> Maarten
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] fake, edit, fake map.

[Paul Johnson]

Yeah, there's plenty that's wrong with Amazon's mapping (like basically
just straight out importing GPX from Amazon trucks and not bothering to
check for completeness or alignment at all, something I routinely see).
But armchair mapping in and of itself isn't the problem.


On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 12:54 PM Hauke Stieler 
wrote:

> I made edits from 2000km away from where I live. But I was there on
> vacation. It's possible that these editors were there, even if they
> aren't locals ;)
>
> Just be happy about good edits in your region and talk to them if you
> have something to discuss.
>
> Hauke
>
> On 16.06.20 19:24, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk wrote:
> > i am trying to make a point here about editors that are 100 of miles
> away.
> >
> >
> >
> > Tuesday, June 16, 2020 12:20 PM -05:00 from Clay Smalley
> > :
> >
> > Not sure what it is you're trying to point out here. Have you
> > started a conversation with the person who made that edit?
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 9:11 AM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us
> >  > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > Added a service road.
> >
> > Edited about  hours ago by
> >
> > Version #1 · Changeset #86698283
> >
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Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] fake, edit, fake map.

[James]

as have I, I don't live it Africa, made edits there, I certainly don't live
in North Korea, made edits there, I don't live in Florida, made edits
there. What's your point being 100miles away? Some of these places I have
visited, some I haven't

On Tue., Jun. 16, 2020, 1:54 p.m. Hauke Stieler, 
wrote:

> I made edits from 2000km away from where I live. But I was there on
> vacation. It's possible that these editors were there, even if they
> aren't locals ;)
>
> Just be happy about good edits in your region and talk to them if you
> have something to discuss.
>
> Hauke
>
> On 16.06.20 19:24, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk wrote:
> > i am trying to make a point here about editors that are 100 of miles
> away.
> >
> >
> >
> > Tuesday, June 16, 2020 12:20 PM -05:00 from Clay Smalley
> > :
> >
> > Not sure what it is you're trying to point out here. Have you
> > started a conversation with the person who made that edit?
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 9:11 AM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us
> >  > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > Added a service road.
> >
> > Edited about  hours ago by
> >
> > Version #1 · Changeset #86698283
> >
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Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] fake, edit, fake map.

[Hauke Stieler]

I made edits from 2000km away from where I live. But I was there on
vacation. It's possible that these editors were there, even if they
aren't locals ;)

Just be happy about good edits in your region and talk to them if you
have something to discuss.

Hauke

On 16.06.20 19:24, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk wrote:
> i am trying to make a point here about editors that are 100 of miles away.
> 
>  
> 
> Tuesday, June 16, 2020 12:20 PM -05:00 from Clay Smalley
> :
>  
> Not sure what it is you're trying to point out here. Have you
> started a conversation with the person who made that edit?
>  
> On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 9:11 AM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us
>  >
> wrote:
> 
> Added a service road.
> 
> Edited about  hours ago by 
> 
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[OSM-talk-fr] open-orthos: 3 départements de plus: 27, 53, 76...

[Christian Quest]

3 orthos de 2019, à 50cm, provenant de la BD Orthos... et maintenant sur 
wms.openstreetmap.fr dans la couche composite et la couche 2019.


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Re: [Talk-ca] WikiProject Canada Post - franchise assessment

[James]

if the addresses are not geolocated via say the website/google maps, it
just becomes public domain as it's the address of the business on the
website but IANAL. If not you would never be able to scrape/collect phone
numbers or addresses for any business via their official website.

On Tue., Jun. 16, 2020, 10:18 a.m. john whelan, 
wrote:

> I think you can use it to see where to look.
>
> If there is only one building and you can see a Canada Post logo
> floating around I think it is fair game.
>
> Canada Post is part of federal government so there is some sort of
> commitment to Open Data floating around under the Federal government's open
> data initiative.
>
> Cheerio John
>
> On Tue, Jun 16, 2020, 09:10 Justin Tracey  wrote:
>
>> Is it legal to import that data from the Canada Post site?
>>
>>  - Justin
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 8:04 AM David Nelson via Talk-ca <
>> talk-ca@openstreetmap.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I have just finished assessing which post offices in Canada among those
>>> we have not yet added to OSM are franchises, and which of those franchise
>>> outlets' parent businesses already appear in our database.  Those such
>>> locations are now marked in pale red on the project's spreadsheets.  The
>>> node for each such post office location just has to be positioned right
>>> next to its respective parent business.  You can determine what each parent
>>> business is by looking on Canada Post’s own website, or by doing a simple
>>> web search for the postal code of each such outlet.  With this, we are in a
>>> position to immediately add nearly 700 more Canada Post outlets across the
>>> country to OSM.  This would bring the progress of this project to a
>>> completion measure of just under 48 percent.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> - David E. Nelson
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Sortie de RTKBase V2

[Jacques Lavignotte]

Le 16/06/2020 à 17:22, Sébastien Dinot a écrit :


Le positionnement à 3 mètres n'est pas suffisant pour tout un tas
d'applications, notamment en lien avec la robotique et la conduite
autonome sur route ou même dans les airs ou sur l'eau.


Le rapport avec OSM ?


J.

Beau projet mais voir plus haut.


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[Talk-us] Code of Conduct and Process for Moderation

[Maggie Cawley]

We’re excited to announce that OpenStreetMap US now has a revised Code of
Conduct and accompanying Process for Moderation in place! Read more about
the CoC in this blog post by Committee Chair Emily Eros
https://www.openstreetmap.us/2020/06/cocadopted/

Thanks to the CoC Committee for all of their hard work!

*Maggie Cawley*
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Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] fake, edit, fake map.

[80hnhtv4agou--- via talk]

i am trying to make a point here about editors that are 100 of miles away.

  
>Tuesday, June 16, 2020 12:20 PM -05:00 from Clay Smalley 
>:
> 
>Not sure what it is you're trying to point out here. Have you started a 
>conversation with the person who made that edit?  
>On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 9:11 AM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us < 
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>>Added a service road.
>>Edited about  hours ago by 
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Re: [Talk-us] fake, edit, FAKE map.

[Clay Smalley]

Not sure what it is you're trying to point out here. Have you started a
conversation with the person who made that edit?

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> Added a service road.
>
> Edited about  hours ago by
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Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] fake, edit, FAKE map.

[80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us]

I meant everbody is if they are not local.

  
>Tuesday, June 16, 2020 12:17 PM -05:00 from Maarten Deen :
> 
>On 2020-06-16 18:09, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk wrote:
>> Added a service road.
>>
>> Edited about hours ago by
>>
>> Version #1 · Changeset #86698283
>>
>>  https://imgur.com/gallery/k6Zjnqm
>If you think it is fake, you first comment on the changeset and ask the
>mapper to explain. Or look at his profile and see if you can get more
>information about the mapper.
>If you think the mapper is continuously mapping incorrectly you can
>address the OSMF. But than you need to be able to show some kind of
>dialog with the mapper in question and show that he is repeatedly and
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Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] fake, edit, FAKE map.

[Mike Thompson]

JOSM validator does report a number of errors and warnings in the area, but
I don't think they are related to this specific change set.

Mike

On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 11:16 AM Mike Thompson  wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 10:53 AM <80hnhtv4a...@bk.ru> wrote:
> >
> > yes, and i will wait to see if anyone gets it.
> We can hardly evaluate the issue if you don't share with us your concerns.
>
> This edit was made by someone working for Amazon Logistics.  They have
> been very receptive to specific constructive feedback.
>
> The only  very minor issue I see is:
> * https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/816385173 and
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/703399318 could probably be combined.
>
> Mike
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Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] fake, edit, FAKE map.

[Mike Thompson]

JOSM validator does report a number of errors and warnings in the area, but
I don't think they are related to this specific change set.

Mike

On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 11:16 AM Mike Thompson  wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 10:53 AM <80hnhtv4a...@bk.ru> wrote:
> >
> > yes, and i will wait to see if anyone gets it.
> We can hardly evaluate the issue if you don't share with us your concerns.
>
> This edit was made by someone working for Amazon Logistics.  They have
> been very receptive to specific constructive feedback.
>
> The only  very minor issue I see is:
> * https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/816385173 and
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/703399318 could probably be combined.
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] fake, edit, FAKE map.

[80hnhtv4agou--- via talk]

I meant everbody is if they are not local.

  
>Tuesday, June 16, 2020 12:17 PM -05:00 from Maarten Deen :
> 
>On 2020-06-16 18:09, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk wrote:
>> Added a service road.
>>
>> Edited about hours ago by
>>
>> Version #1 · Changeset #86698283
>>
>>  https://imgur.com/gallery/k6Zjnqm
>If you think it is fake, you first comment on the changeset and ask the
>mapper to explain. Or look at his profile and see if you can get more
>information about the mapper.
>If you think the mapper is continuously mapping incorrectly you can
>address the OSMF. But than you need to be able to show some kind of
>dialog with the mapper in question and show that he is repeatedly and
>purpousfully mapping incorrectly.
>
>Regards,
>Maarten 
 
 
 
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Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] fake, edit, FAKE map.

[Mike Thompson]

On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 10:53 AM <80hnhtv4a...@bk.ru> wrote:
>
> yes, and i will wait to see if anyone gets it.
We can hardly evaluate the issue if you don't share with us your concerns.

This edit was made by someone working for Amazon Logistics.  They have been
very receptive to specific constructive feedback.

The only  very minor issue I see is:
* https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/816385173 and
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/703399318 could probably be combined.

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Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] fake, edit, FAKE map.

[Mike Thompson]

On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 10:53 AM <80hnhtv4a...@bk.ru> wrote:
>
> yes, and i will wait to see if anyone gets it.
We can hardly evaluate the issue if you don't share with us your concerns.

This edit was made by someone working for Amazon Logistics.  They have been
very receptive to specific constructive feedback.

The only  very minor issue I see is:
* https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/816385173 and
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/703399318 could probably be combined.

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Re: [OSM-talk] fake, edit, FAKE map.

[Maarten Deen]

On 2020-06-16 18:09, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk wrote:

Added a service road.

Edited about  hours ago by

Version #1 · Changeset #86698283

https://imgur.com/gallery/k6Zjnqm


If you think it is fake, you first comment on the changeset and ask the 
mapper to explain. Or look at his profile and see if you can get more 
information about the mapper.
If you think the mapper is continuously mapping incorrectly you can 
address the OSMF. But than you need to be able to show some kind of 
dialog with the mapper in question and show that he is repeatedly and 
purpousfully mapping incorrectly.


Regards,
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Re: [talk-cz] Přírodní parky

[Jan Kučera]

Dostala se ke mě ještě informace, že vrstva přírodních parků (celá ČR) je
dostupná na geoserveru AOPK ČR:
http://gis.nature.cz/arcgis/rest/services/ObecnaOchrana/PrirodniPark/MapServer

Problémem získání dat ale může být to, že jako původci dat jsou uvedeny
kraje. Na AOPK jsem zaslal taky žádost o data, tak uvidíme. Pokud se
nepletu, tak z AOPK plošně žádné povolení na import či trasování nemáme, že?

Kozuch

út 16. 6. 2020 v 18:58 odesílatel Jan Kučera  napsal:

> Zdravím,
>
> díky za postřehy. Pokusím se získat maximum dat předem. Obeslal jsem
> chybějících 12 krajů mailem se žádostí o uvolnění dat. Ze středních Čech
> snad data dají, ale chtějí, abych jim vyplnil a podepsal formální žádost o
> data a sken poslal zpět. Ta příloha by pak asi prokazovala, že oni data
> uvolnili. Dotaz - když to klapne, kam s tím skenem? Nahrát na wiki a
> odkázat na něj tady v listu? Je nějaký zavedený postup v těchto případech
> (existence přílohy/souboru/dokumentu)?
>
> Kozuch
>
> st 27. 5. 2020 v 16:41 odesílatel r00t via talk-cz <
> talk-cz@openstreetmap.org> napsal:
>
>> Ahoj,
>>
>> Par pripominek:
>>
>> 1) "Start ASAP with 2 regions (part 1) and continue with further parts"
>> Tohle se moc na import listu libit nebude, pred schvalenim by mel popis
>> importu byt kompletni a uz
>> by se dal nemel menit. Mapovani neceho dalsiho co neni schvalene je proti
>> pravidlum, stejne tak jako
>> pridavani dalsich zdroju dat ktere nebyly schvalene. Asi bylo lepsi
>> nejdriv ziskat co nejvice povoleni
>> a potom teprve zacit. Rozdelit import max. na dve casti, s tim ze budes
>> muset zadat na import listu o
>> kazdou zvlast.
>>
>> 2) Tagging
>> "website=https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Czech_nature_parks_import;
>> - tohle mi prijde zbytecne,
>> pokud uz nejaky URL tak odkaz na web o parku. Tohle ma byt uzitecna
>> informace pro uzivatele mapy, ne
>> informace o tom z jakeho importu park pochazi...
>> Taky "name=Přírodní park " - by melo byt proste jmeno parku,
>> to ze je to prirodni park
>> je jasne z dalsich tagu.
>>
>> 3) Uplne ti tam chybi sekce "Data Merge Workflow / Conflation", tedy co
>> budes presne delat pokud uz
>> nejaky park v mape je. Je potreba popsat jestli ten stary smazes, nebo ho
>> nejak budes upravovat,
>> ktera data budou mit prednost atd.
>>
>>
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Re: [talk-cz] Přírodní parky

[Jan Kučera]

Zdravím,

díky za postřehy. Pokusím se získat maximum dat předem. Obeslal jsem
chybějících 12 krajů mailem se žádostí o uvolnění dat. Ze středních Čech
snad data dají, ale chtějí, abych jim vyplnil a podepsal formální žádost o
data a sken poslal zpět. Ta příloha by pak asi prokazovala, že oni data
uvolnili. Dotaz - když to klapne, kam s tím skenem? Nahrát na wiki a
odkázat na něj tady v listu? Je nějaký zavedený postup v těchto případech
(existence přílohy/souboru/dokumentu)?

Kozuch

st 27. 5. 2020 v 16:41 odesílatel r00t via talk-cz <
talk-cz@openstreetmap.org> napsal:

> Ahoj,
>
> Par pripominek:
>
> 1) "Start ASAP with 2 regions (part 1) and continue with further parts"
> Tohle se moc na import listu libit nebude, pred schvalenim by mel popis
> importu byt kompletni a uz
> by se dal nemel menit. Mapovani neceho dalsiho co neni schvalene je proti
> pravidlum, stejne tak jako
> pridavani dalsich zdroju dat ktere nebyly schvalene. Asi bylo lepsi
> nejdriv ziskat co nejvice povoleni
> a potom teprve zacit. Rozdelit import max. na dve casti, s tim ze budes
> muset zadat na import listu o
> kazdou zvlast.
>
> 2) Tagging
> "website=https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Czech_nature_parks_import; -
> tohle mi prijde zbytecne,
> pokud uz nejaky URL tak odkaz na web o parku. Tohle ma byt uzitecna
> informace pro uzivatele mapy, ne
> informace o tom z jakeho importu park pochazi...
> Taky "name=Přírodní park " - by melo byt proste jmeno parku,
> to ze je to prirodni park
> je jasne z dalsich tagu.
>
> 3) Uplne ti tam chybi sekce "Data Merge Workflow / Conflation", tedy co
> budes presne delat pokud uz
> nejaky park v mape je. Je potreba popsat jestli ten stary smazes, nebo ho
> nejak budes upravovat,
> ktera data budou mit prednost atd.
>
>
> r00tcz
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] fake, edit, FAKE map.

[Midgard]

Quoting 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk (2020-06-16 18:09:44)
> Added a service road.
> Edited about  hours ago by 
> Version #1 · Changeset #86698283
>  
> https://imgur.com/gallery/k6Zjnqm

And what is your goal exactly in posting this two general mailing lists?

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Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] fake, edit, FAKE map.

[Mike Thompson]

What is the issue?  It looks legit to me. Am I missing something?

Mike

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> Added a service road.
>
> Edited about  hours ago by
>
> Version #1 · Changeset #86698283
>
> https://imgur.com/gallery/k6Zjnqm
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Re: [Talk-us] fake, edit, FAKE map.

[Mike Thompson]

What is the issue?  It looks legit to me. Am I missing something?

Mike

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> Added a service road.
>
> Edited about  hours ago by
>
> Version #1 · Changeset #86698283
>
> https://imgur.com/gallery/k6Zjnqm
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Ajout d'un identifiant unique des cinémas en France

[Jérôme Amagat]

Plus que 330 cinéma dont la ref CNC n'est pas dans osm.
en pièce jointe (si ça passe) , ceux qui reste geolocalisé dans la commune.
ref:FR:CNC,name,screen,capacity,_CODE COMMUNE,_COMMUNE,_GENRE,_ART ET ESSAI,cinema:3D,latitude,longitude
4713,BORIS VIAN GRANDE HALLE,1,287,75119,Paris 19e Arrondissement,FIXE,,no,48.876298,2.402525
8425,QUARTIER LATIN I,2,164,75105,Paris 5e Arrondissement,FIXE,,no,48.841062,2.34152
14693,LE POLE CULTUREL,1,410,94002,Alfortville,FIXE,,no,48.807468,2.410192
35953,THEATRE VICTOR HUGO,1,418,92007,Bagneux,FIXE,,no,48.795358,2.319282
54292,LA BARBACANE,1,292,78062,Beynes,FIXE,,no,,
54692,THEATRE PAUL ELUARD,2,598,95063,Bezons,FIXE,,no,,
59033,AUDITORIUM BOURSE TRAVAIL,1,,93008,Bobigny,ITINERANT,,no,48.902272,2.431014
62121,GERARD PHILIPE,1,245,94011,Bonneuil-sur-Marne,FIXE,,no,,
68114,LE CINEMA,1,83,93013,Le Bourget,FIXE,,no,,
68212,AUDITORIUM DU CONSERVATOIRE,1,177,92014,Bourg-la-Reine,FIXE,,no,48.775324,2.315038
96533,JEAN GABIN,1,168,77079,Champagne-sur-Seine,FIXE,,no,,
110761,SALLE ANDRE MALRAUX,1,405,94021,Chevilly-Larue,FIXE,,no,,
117025,M J C THEATRE DE COLOMBES,1,322,92025,Colombes,FIXE,,no,48.919112,2.262578
120963,THEATRE DU CORMIER,1,307,95176,Cormeilles-en-Parisis,FIXE,,no,,
123905,CAMILLE ST SAENS,1,360,92026,Courbevoie,FIXE,,no,48.901612,2.268448
142171,PARTERRE,2,227,91200,Dourdan,FIXE,,no,48.526124,2.00729
144262,L'ORANGE BLEUE,1,345,95203,Eaubonne,FIXE,,no,,
148321,SALLE SERGE GAINSBOURG,1,180,93031,?pinay-sur-Seine,FIXE,,no,,
149335,PIERRE FRESNAY,1,400,95219,Ermont,FIXE,,no,,
152884,CINETAMPES,1,146,91223,?tampes,FIXE,,no,,
202370,0SALLE GEORGES BRASSENS,1,0,91315,Itteville,ITINERANT,,no,,
226883,THEATRE DU GARDE CHASSE,1,308,93045,Les Lilas,FIXE,,no,48.884642,2.425025
228122,ATELIER BARBARA,1,165,94044,Limeil-Brévannes,FIXE,,no,48.74939,2.492917
231939,THEATRE DE LONGJUMEAU,1,862,91345,Longjumeau,FIXE,,no,,
241923,THEATRE CLAUDE DEBUSSY,1,406,94046,Maisons-Alfort,FIXE,,no,48.802387,2.44122
258952,LA LUCIOLE,1,228,95394,Méry-sur-Oise,FIXE,,no,,
260904,ESPACE CULTUREL ROBERT-DOISNEAU,1,268,92048,Meudon,FIXE,,no,48.803752,2.239127
267481,CINEMA  11X20 14,1,48,77298,Mons-en-Montois,FIXE,,no,,
274702,L'EDEN,2,222,95428,Montmorency,FIXE,,no,48.978061,2.315175
299122,CENTRE CULTUREL  ORMESSON,1,358,94055,Ormesson-sur-Marne,FIXE,,no,,
303445,SALLE DES FETES,1,314,91479,Paray-Vieille-Poste,FIXE,,no,,
314451,ESPACE PAUL VALERY,1,340,94059,Le Plessis-Trévise,FIXE,,no,,
343762,ESPACE GEORGES SIMENON,1,229,93064,Rosny-sous-Bois,FIXE,,no,48.878171,2.506
442002,LE VANVES,1,192,92075,Vanves,FIXE,,no,,
444791,LA GRANGE,1,268,77487,Vaux-le-Pénil,FIXE,,no,48.525052,2.684837
457861,ANDRE MALRAUX,1,212,92078,Villeneuve-la-Garenne,FIXE,,no,,
457983,ESPACE CULTUREL,1,448,94077,Villeneuve-le-Roi,FIXE,,no,,
462304,CINEMA SORANO,1,204,94080,Vincennes,FIXE,,no,48.846711,2.418728
724000,CINE PINCE VENT,8,1606,94019,Chennevières-sur-Marne,FIXE,,no,,
12612,CINEMA MODERNE,1,286,36001,Aigurande,FIXE,,no,,
14445,PLANET'CINE,7,1199,61001,Alençon,FIXE,,no,48.430482,0.086104
15682,SALLE POLYVALENTE,1,600,72003,Allonnes,ITINERANT,,no,47.941615,0.153315
18701,NORMANDIE,1,250,28007,Anet,FIXE,,no,,
25722,CIRCUIT 1,1,100,45008,Artenay,ITINERANT,,no,,
44131,CINEMA LE DUNOIS,1,200,45028,Beaugency,FIXE,,no,,
45876,AGNES VARDA,1,205,60057,Beauvais,FIXE,,no,49.433484,2.056107
50833,REX,1,268,27056,Bernay,FIXE,,no,,
59351,LOUIS JOUVET,1,142,02095,Bohain-en-Vermandois,FIXE,,no,,
67324,CASINO DE BOURBONNE,1,150,52060,Bourbonne-les-Bains,FIXE,,no,,
68025,LE CINEMA,1,110,18033,Bourges,FIXE,,no,47.100514,2.396675
68561,FAMILIA,1,224,37031,Bourgueil,FIXE,,no,,
68562,ABBAYE DE BOURGUEIL,1,380,37031,Bourgueil,FIXE,,no,,
84981,ESPACE CULTUREL FRANCOIS MITTERRAND,1,170,76157,Canteleu,FIXE,,no,,
94711,FAMILIAL,1,393,52093,Chalindrey,FIXE,,no,,
95006,LA COMETE,1,153,51108,Châlons-en-Champagne,FIXE,,no,48.954145,4.363398
96950,SALLE YVES RENAULT,1,242,37050,Chambray-lès-Tours,FIXE,,no,47.35142,0.694571
104801,VOX,1,64,45083,Château-Renard,FIXE,,no,,
104863,APOLLO,1,328,36044,Châteauroux,FIXE,,no,46.791569,1.693724
106291,LUX,1,193,36046,La Châtre,FIXE,,no,,
119122,CINEMA MUNICIPAL,1,340,50139,Condé-sur-Vire,ITINERANT,,no,,
122720,SALLE DES FETES,1,0,60164,Le Coudray-Saint-Germer,ITINERANT,,no,,
126311,LE LONG-COURT,2,324,50147,Coutances,FIXE,,no,,
127571,LE CYRANO,1,270,80222,Crécy-en-Ponthieu,FIXE,,no,,
127661,LA FAIENCERIE,1,749,60175,Creil,FIXE,,no,49.263872,2.47509
137481,LE RABELAIS,1,167,37115,Descartes,FIXE,,no,47.00304,0.659791
138352,CINEMAS GRAND FORUM,8,1319,76217,Dieppe,FIXE,,no,49.928002,1.080231
142522,CINEMA LE NORMANDY,1,200,14711,Trévières,ITINERANT,,no,49.308697,-0.906494
156393,CINE SEINE,1,0,76258,Terres-de-Caux,ITINERANT,,no,,
158801,JEAN RACINE,1,119,02307,La Ferté-Milon,FIXE,,no,,
158812,VARIETES CINEMA,1,187,45146,La Ferté-Saint-Aubin,FIXE,,no,,
165801,VOX,1,280,80333,Fort-Mahon-Plage,FIXE,,no,,
179902,LA POINTE DE CAUX,1,337,76305,Gonfreville-l'Orcher,FIXE,,no,49.524165,0.229572

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Sortie de RTKBase V2

[Eric SIBERT]

Lorsque tu utilises un récepteur mobile, et qu'il y a des masques, cela 
n'impactera que toi. 


Au niveau du récepteur mobile, plus tu as de satellites en commun avec 
la base et plus facilement tu vas détecter ceux qui subissent des 
réflexions parasites (sur façade de bâtiment par exemple) avant 
d'atteindre ton récepteur et tu pourras les enlever du calcul.


Pour la question de Sébastien sur la localisation de la base, j'ai fait 
des essais de mesure depuis mon balcon. On capte sans difficulté les 
satellites masqués par les bâtiments mais qui se réfléchissent sur les 
façades voisines. Si on introduit ça dans des calculs différentiels...


En ville, ce n'est pas facile d'installer une station de référence sauf 
à être en terrasse au dernier étage.


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Re: [OSM-talk] fake, edit, FAKE map.

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Added a service road.
Edited about  hours ago by 
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Re: [Talk-us] fake, edit, FAKE map.

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Added a service road.
Edited about  hours ago by 
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Sortie de RTKBase V2

[Stéphane Péneau]

Le 16/06/2020 à 16:58, Marc M. a écrit :

Bonjour,

Le 16.06.20 à 16:20, Stéphane Péneau a écrit :

S'il y a des obstacles sous les 10 - 15 °, ce n'est pas grave.
Au-dessus par contre c'est problématique.

cette exigence disqualifie les endroits auquels je pensais

Ah dommage...

quel est l'impact d'un obstacle tel qu'un arbre ou une maison dans cet
angle ? on va perdre un sat mais faire la même qualité de fix si on
a assez de sat ? et perdre en précision si on manque de sat et si oui
est-ce que cela arrive souvent de manquer de sat ?


Il y a tout un tas de conséquences possibles :

1- On perd entièrement un ou plusieurs satellites.

2- Le signal du satellite qui est derrière l'obstacle pourra être 
atténué, perturbé.


3- Les signaux des satellites qui sont un peu plus haut peuvent rebondir 
sur l'obstacle


Le cas n°1 n'est pas problématique, car ça ne va pas perturber les 
calculs. Il y a peu, ne pas avoir assez de satellites était assez 
courant, j'ai galéré souvent à cause de ça, allant jusqu'à vérifier 
quelle plage horaire était idéale. Maintenant qu'on a plusieurs 
constellations, et que les récepteurs récents les gèrent, c'est plus 
rare d'être gêné par ça.


Les cas n°2 et 3 sont bien plus gênants, car le résultat peut être une 
perte de précision, voir une impossibilité d'obtenir un "fix".


Il ne faut pas oublier que le signal qu'on reçoit est extrêmement faible.

Un dernier point :

Lorsque tu utilises un récepteur mobile, et qu'il y a des masques, cela 
n'impactera que toi. Si ta base a des masques et que tu la partages, ce 
sont toutes les personnes qui l'utilisent qui en subiront les 
éventuelles conséquences sans même savoir qu'il y a des obstacles.


Stf


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Sortie de RTKBase V2

[Sébastien Dinot]

Jacques Lavignotte a écrit :
> Mais pourquoi aurions-nous besoin d'une précision d'1 cm ???

Pour les mêmes raisons que nous avons besoin de savoir où nous nous
trouvons sur Terre à 3 mètres près ! ;)

Le positionnement à 3 mètres n'est pas suffisant pour tout un tas
d'applications, notamment en lien avec la robotique et la conduite
autonome sur route ou même dans les airs ou sur l'eau. À 3 mètres près,
le trottoir et la route, c'est du pareil au même, tout comme une voie et
la voie de sens opposé. :) Je pourrais aussi parler des drones qui
seront bientôt autorisés à effectuer des livraisons en ville (c'est déjà
le cas aux États-Unis). Certes, tous ces systèmes sont « intelligents »
et bardés de capteurs mettant en œuvre des technologies différentes,
mais si on peut améliorer la précision de l'un d'entre eux, la sûreté de
fonctionnement s'en trouve améliorée.

De manière plus globale, la précision d'une mesure dépend entre autres
de celle des mesures de référence. Plus la précision de ces dernières
est faible, plus les mesures relatives sont incertaines. Multiplier les
références précises et leur maillage sur le territoire est donc
essentiel.

Dans un domaine qui est cher aux cartographes, l'orthophotographie,
l'orthorectification d'image nécessite d'identifier sur les
photographies des points de calage. Lorsque la résolution d'une image
est à 10 ou 20 mètres, la connaissance de la position d'un point de
calage à 3 mètres près fait l'affaire, mais lorsque la résolution
descend à 10 cm, voire 4 ou moins, une imprécision de 3 mètres sur la
référence pose vraiment problème.

Sébastien

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Re: [Talk-ca] WikiProject Canada Post - franchise assessment

[Justin Tracey]

On 2020-06-16 10:16 a.m., john whelan wrote:
>
> Canada Post is part of federal government so there is some sort of
> commitment to Open Data floating around under the Federal government's
> open data initiative.
>
>
As referenced in another emails on this thread, Canada Post is operated
as a company, not a government agency, and has been... less enthused
with the open data initiative than the federal government itself. ;)

 - Justin



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Re: [Talk-ca] WikiProject Canada Post - franchise assessment

[Kevin Farrugia]

Canada Post is a Crown Corporation so it kind of operates in its own world
even though it's subsidised and owned by the government. I don't think the
open government directive applied across all Crown ABCs but to the civil
service portion.

We're not doing an import of post offices in the actual sense so it may be
okay.

I think this is also a little different since Canada Post doesn't make
money selling the location of their offices like they do postal codes so
chances are they wouldn't target this as an issue.

---
Kevin

On Tue., Jun. 16, 2020, 10:18 a.m. john whelan, 
wrote:

> I think you can use it to see where to look.
>
> If there is only one building and you can see a Canada Post logo
> floating around I think it is fair game.
>
> Canada Post is part of federal government so there is some sort of
> commitment to Open Data floating around under the Federal government's open
> data initiative.
>
> Cheerio John
>
> On Tue, Jun 16, 2020, 09:10 Justin Tracey  wrote:
>
>> Is it legal to import that data from the Canada Post site?
>>
>>  - Justin
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 8:04 AM David Nelson via Talk-ca <
>> talk-ca@openstreetmap.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I have just finished assessing which post offices in Canada among those
>>> we have not yet added to OSM are franchises, and which of those franchise
>>> outlets' parent businesses already appear in our database.  Those such
>>> locations are now marked in pale red on the project's spreadsheets.  The
>>> node for each such post office location just has to be positioned right
>>> next to its respective parent business.  You can determine what each parent
>>> business is by looking on Canada Post’s own website, or by doing a simple
>>> web search for the postal code of each such outlet.  With this, we are in a
>>> position to immediately add nearly 700 more Canada Post outlets across the
>>> country to OSM.  This would bring the progress of this project to a
>>> completion measure of just under 48 percent.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> - David E. Nelson
>>>
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Sortie de RTKBase V2

[Marc M.]

Bonjour,

Le 16.06.20 à 16:20, Stéphane Péneau a écrit :
>>> S'il y a des obstacles sous les 10 - 15 °, ce n'est pas grave.
>>> Au-dessus par contre c'est problématique.
>> cette exigence disqualifie les endroits auquels je pensais
> Ah dommage...

quel est l'impact d'un obstacle tel qu'un arbre ou une maison dans cet
angle ? on va perdre un sat mais faire la même qualité de fix si on
a assez de sat ? et perdre en précision si on manque de sat et si oui
est-ce que cela arrive souvent de manquer de sat ?

je crois d'ailleurs que c'est une question générale pour plusieurs
éléments technique, je me souviens de ma période CB, avec une antenne
fouet hélicoïdale pour voiture sur un plan de masse 10cmx10cm,
cela ne m'empéchait pas de discuter à courte portée sans différence
avec ceux qui avaient une antenne demi-onde sur leur toit.

Cordialement,
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Re: [Talk-ca] WikiProject Canada Post - franchise assessment

[Amos Hayes]

Using the term "import" suggests some sort of copy of a database rather
than an independant researching of facts.

Facts are not protected IP. Databases are in Canada. So making your own
database of facts is fine. The issue will be if all or a significant
portion were copied from someone else's database and whether a court of law
finds that it constitutes a copy. An automated tool that scraped the Canada
Post website for this info would probably be seen differently than a
spreadsheet built through individual research using a variety of sources.

All that said, Canada Post tried to sue when a group crowd-sourced the
locations of postal codes. So even if you are in the right, there might
still be a mess to deal with.

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On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 at 09:09, Justin Tracey  wrote:

> Is it legal to import that data from the Canada Post site?
>
>  - Justin
>
> On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 8:04 AM David Nelson via Talk-ca <
> talk-ca@openstreetmap.org> wrote:
>
>> I have just finished assessing which post offices in Canada among those
>> we have not yet added to OSM are franchises, and which of those franchise
>> outlets' parent businesses already appear in our database.  Those such
>> locations are now marked in pale red on the project's spreadsheets.  The
>> node for each such post office location just has to be positioned right
>> next to its respective parent business.  You can determine what each parent
>> business is by looking on Canada Post’s own website, or by doing a simple
>> web search for the postal code of each such outlet.  With this, we are in a
>> position to immediately add nearly 700 more Canada Post outlets across the
>> country to OSM.  This would bring the progress of this project to a
>> completion measure of just under 48 percent.
>>
>>
>>
>> - David E. Nelson
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Sortie de RTKBase V2

[Jacques Lavignotte]

Bonjour,


Le 16/06/2020 à 09:54, Stéphane Péneau a écrit :


Aujourd'hui c'est la sortie officielle de RTKBase v2.



Un ensemble logiciel pour gérer facilement une station de base Gnns.


Joli projet. Bravo.

Mais  pourquoi aurions-nous besoin d'une précision d'1 cm ???


J.

Pas géomètre.

Pas taper non plus ;)


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Re: [Talk-ca] WikiProject Canada Post - franchise assessment

[Eric Geiler]

Doubt it… but it still neverless a nice addition to OSM…

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Is it legal to import that data from the Canada Post site?

 - Justin

On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 8:04 AM David Nelson via Talk-ca 
mailto:talk-ca@openstreetmap.org>> wrote:
I have just finished assessing which post offices in Canada among those we have 
not yet added to OSM are franchises, and which of those franchise outlets' 
parent businesses already appear in our database.  Those such locations are now 
marked in pale red on the project's spreadsheets.  The node for each such post 
office location just has to be positioned right next to its respective parent 
business.  You can determine what each parent business is by looking on Canada 
Post’s own website, or by doing a simple web search for the postal code of each 
such outlet.  With this, we are in a position to immediately add nearly 700 
more Canada Post outlets across the country to OSM.  This would bring the 
progress of this project to a completion measure of just under 48 percent.

- David E. Nelson

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Sortie de RTKBase V2

[Stéphane Péneau]

Le 16/06/2020 à 15:49, Sébastien Dinot a écrit :

Stéphane Péneau a écrit :

Est-ce que le schéma que tu peux voir à la page 3 de ce pdf t'éclaire ?

http://www.stemani.fr/public/gnss/Fabrication_base_GNSS.pdf

S'il y a des obstacles sous les 10 - 15 °, ce n'est pas grave.
Au-dessus par contre c'est problématique.

Oui, mais du coup, c'est « au dessus de » et non « sous » comme c'est
indiqué sur le site. Et là, ça me semble plus clair. :)
Exact, je n'avais même pas fait attention au contresens. J'ai prévenu 
Julien, la phrase sera corrigée très rapidement.

Par contre, cette exigence disqualifie les endroits auquels je pensais
pour une éventuelle implantation d'antenne.


Ah dommage...

C'est vrai que trouver un point adapté n'est pas facile.

Stf

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Re: [Talk-ca] WikiProject Canada Post - franchise assessment

[john whelan]

I think you can use it to see where to look.

If there is only one building and you can see a Canada Post logo
floating around I think it is fair game.

Canada Post is part of federal government so there is some sort of
commitment to Open Data floating around under the Federal government's open
data initiative.

Cheerio John

On Tue, Jun 16, 2020, 09:10 Justin Tracey  wrote:

> Is it legal to import that data from the Canada Post site?
>
>  - Justin
>
> On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 8:04 AM David Nelson via Talk-ca <
> talk-ca@openstreetmap.org> wrote:
>
>> I have just finished assessing which post offices in Canada among those
>> we have not yet added to OSM are franchises, and which of those franchise
>> outlets' parent businesses already appear in our database.  Those such
>> locations are now marked in pale red on the project's spreadsheets.  The
>> node for each such post office location just has to be positioned right
>> next to its respective parent business.  You can determine what each parent
>> business is by looking on Canada Post’s own website, or by doing a simple
>> web search for the postal code of each such outlet.  With this, we are in a
>> position to immediately add nearly 700 more Canada Post outlets across the
>> country to OSM.  This would bring the progress of this project to a
>> completion measure of just under 48 percent.
>>
>>
>>
>> - David E. Nelson
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM Data in wikidata

[Mateusz Konieczny via legal-talk]

Jun 16, 2020, 13:13 by dieterdre...@gmail.com:

> I have noticed that people have been importing OSM data into wikidata. 
>
It appears to be against advise of Wikimedia Foundation advise.

See https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikilegal/Database_Rights

> Whenever possible, the best course is to use only content that is made
> available by the author under an open license. In particular, for EU
> databases, the license should include a license or express waiver of
> the sui generis database right. In the absence of a license, copying
> all or a substantial part of a protected database should be avoided.
> Extraction and use of data should be kept to a minimum and limited to
> unprotected material, such as uncopyrightable facts and short phrases,
> rather than extensive text. For EU databases, bots or other automated
> ways of extracting data should also be avoided because of the
> Directive’s prohibition on “repeated and systematic extraction” of
> even insubstantial amounts of data.

Though in general approach of Wikidata is to ignore copyright, unlike
OSM or Wikimedia Commons.

Compare 
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Copyright
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Copyright
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Copyright

Common comment is "we are copying facts, facts are not copyrightable"
what may be or may be not describing such editing in case of USA legal framework


> Here are some examples:
> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q76939332
> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q76951022
> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q76972551
>
> This is a link that someone helpful has provided in the user talk page of the 
> wikidata user:
> https://query.wikidata.org/#%23defaultView%3AMap%0Aselect%20%3Fitem%20%3Fcoordinates%20where%20%7B%0A%20%20%3Fitem%20p%3AP625%2Fprov%3AwasDerivedFrom%2Fpr%3AP248%20wd%3AQ1224853%3B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20wdt%3AP625%20%3Fcoordinates.%0A%7D
>
> I believe the attribution is not sufficient (following the "described at URL" 
> link there is OSM and mapbox attribution)?
>
> Provided that ODbL and OpenStreetMap would be sufficiently linked, is it then 
> possible to copy OSM data into wikidata, which is distributed as CC0?
>
AFAIK not sufficient, ODBL is a copyleft ("share alike") license, so it would 
be necessary to add
also that data is ODBL licensed.

I opened deletion request for one of items at
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_deletions#Q76939332
and notified the author

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Sortie de RTKBase V2

[Sébastien Dinot]

Stéphane Péneau a écrit :
> Est-ce que le schéma que tu peux voir à la page 3 de ce pdf t'éclaire ?
> 
> http://www.stemani.fr/public/gnss/Fabrication_base_GNSS.pdf
>
> S'il y a des obstacles sous les 10 - 15 °, ce n'est pas grave.
> Au-dessus par contre c'est problématique.

Oui, mais du coup, c'est « au dessus de » et non « sous » comme c'est
indiqué sur le site. Et là, ça me semble plus clair. :)

Par contre, cette exigence disqualifie les endroits auquels je pensais
pour une éventuelle implantation d'antenne.

Merci.

Sébastien

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Re: [Talk-ca] WikiProject Canada Post - franchise assessment

[Justin Tracey]

Is it legal to import that data from the Canada Post site?

 - Justin

On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 8:04 AM David Nelson via Talk-ca <
talk-ca@openstreetmap.org> wrote:

> I have just finished assessing which post offices in Canada among those we
> have not yet added to OSM are franchises, and which of those franchise
> outlets' parent businesses already appear in our database.  Those such
> locations are now marked in pale red on the project's spreadsheets.  The
> node for each such post office location just has to be positioned right
> next to its respective parent business.  You can determine what each parent
> business is by looking on Canada Post’s own website, or by doing a simple
> web search for the postal code of each such outlet.  With this, we are in a
> position to immediately add nearly 700 more Canada Post outlets across the
> country to OSM.  This would bring the progress of this project to a
> completion measure of just under 48 percent.
>
>
>
> - David E. Nelson
>
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM Data in wikidata

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

Am Di., 16. Juni 2020 um 13:58 Uhr schrieb Simon Poole :

>
> I'm simply making no assumptions about how the data got into wikidata, for
> example the users may be contributing to both (OSM and WD).
>


I have checked for the data in the Rome area that a fair amount was
contributed to OSM by the OP, so you can exclude the same author hypothesis
here.

Cheers
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Sortie de RTKBase V2

[Stéphane Péneau]

Le 16/06/2020 à 13:26, Sébastien Dinot a écrit :


Je ne suis pas sûr de comprendre car, pour moi, il y a une contradiction
entre « l’antenne de réception ne nécessite pas une position dominante »
et « il est indispensable de ne pas avoir d’obstacles sous les 10
premiers degrés par rapport à la base de l’antenne ».

Cela veut-il dire par exemple qu'installer une telle base en bas d'une
vallée, même non encaissée, n'a pas de sens ? Quid d'un bâtiment à flan
de coteaux ?


Est-ce que le schéma que tu peux voir à la page 3 de ce pdf t'éclaire ?

http://www.stemani.fr/public/gnss/Fabrication_base_GNSS.pdf

S'il y a des obstacles sous les 10 - 15 °, ce n'est pas grave. Au-dessus 
par contre c'est problématique.


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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM Data in wikidata

[Simon Poole]

Am 16.06.2020 um 13:51 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:
> Am Di., 16. Juni 2020 um 13:32 Uhr schrieb Simon Poole  >:
>
> (not discussing if the material added is even protected
> to start with).
>
>
>
> As you are mentioning it, are you in doubt? By the substantial
> guideline it seems it would be covered by the ODbL:
> https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Community_Guidelines/Substantial_-_Guideline

I'm simply making no assumptions about how the data got into wikidata,
for example the users may be contributing to both (OSM and WD).

Simon

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM Data in wikidata

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

Am Di., 16. Juni 2020 um 13:32 Uhr schrieb Simon Poole :

> (not discussing if the material added is even protected
> to start with).



As you are mentioning it, are you in doubt? By the substantial guideline it
seems it would be covered by the ODbL:
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Community_Guidelines/Substantial_-_Guideline

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Re: [Talk-br] Digest Talk-br, volume 141, assunto 5

[Mapas Osm]

portar esses dados para o OSM base? Caso
> > positivo, como proceder à importação de forma que esses códigos podem ser
> > consultados?
> >
> > Desde já agradeço!
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 00:24:47 -0300
> From: portalavent...@riseup.net
> To: talk-br@openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [Talk-br]  Importações de transformadores.
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"
>
> O artigo [1] apontado pelo Tomio resume o procedimento em relação a
> importações. O artigo [2] detalha o processo, especialmente o guia sobre
> importações [3].
>
> Quais as condições impostas pela empresa para fornecimento dos dados?
> Estão sobre uma licença especifica? Isso é importante para sabermos se
> os dados fornecidos são compatíveis com a ODbl [4], licença utilizada
> pelo projeto. Se a base de dados não é e a empresa não está disposta a
> licenciá-la de maneira compatível com a licença do projeto, não dá pra
> pensar em importá-la.
>
> [1]
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Brazil/Resumo_Sobre_Importa%C3%A7%C3%B5es
>
> [2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import
>
> [3] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines
>
> [4] https://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright
>
> Em 15/06/2020 10:49, Mapas Osm escreveu:
> > Olá,
> > Tenho informações georreferenciadas de transformadores e chaves de
> > parte dos estados de São Paulo e Mato Grosso do Sul, os dados foram
> > fornecidos pela empresa de energia local. Cada ponto possui seu código
> > específico indispensável para sua consulta.
> > Existe a possibilidade de importar esses dados para o OSM base? Caso
> > positivo, como proceder à importação de forma que esses códigos podem
> > ser consultados?
> >
> > Desde já agradeço!
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM Data in wikidata

[Simon Poole]

Am 16.06.2020 um 13:13 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:
> 
>
> Provided that ODbL and OpenStreetMap would be sufficiently linked, is
> it then possible to copy OSM data into wikidata, which is distributed
> as CC0?
>
> 

As been pointed out many, many, many times (and it is not going to
change), CC0 explicitly does not cover third party rights in the
licensed material, just those of the entity distributing the work.

So adding information from OSM to Wikidata does not create a licence
conflict as such (not discussing if the material added is even protected
to start with).

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Sortie de RTKBase V2

[Sébastien Dinot]

Stéphane Péneau a écrit :
> Le 16/06/2020 à 11:33, Sébastien Dinot a écrit :
> > 
> > Il faut ajouter au moins 20 € pour le F9P, annoncé à 220 € et non 200
> > sur le site pointé.
> 
> Non, c'est bien 200€ HT :
> https://store-drotek.com/891-1023-rtk-zed-f9p-gnss.html#/105-case-without

Ah, je n'avais pas vu l'option Wih Case / Without Case.

> Ca suffit largement.

Merci pour ces précisions.

J'ai une question au sujet du passage suivant :

« La zone d’implantation de l’antenne de réception ne nécessite pas une
  position dominante, mais doit proposer une visibilité maximum du
  ciel ; il est indispensable de ne pas avoir d’obstacles (bâtiments,
  arbres, murs …) sous les 10 premiers degrés par rapport à la base de
  l’antenne. »

Je ne suis pas sûr de comprendre car, pour moi, il y a une contradiction
entre « l’antenne de réception ne nécessite pas une position dominante »
et « il est indispensable de ne pas avoir d’obstacles sous les 10
premiers degrés par rapport à la base de l’antenne ».

Cela veut-il dire par exemple qu'installer une telle base en bas d'une
vallée, même non encaissée, n'a pas de sens ? Quid d'un bâtiment à flan
de coteaux ?

Sébastien

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[OSM-legal-talk] OSM Data in wikidata

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

I have noticed that people have been importing OSM data into wikidata. Here
are some examples:
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q76939332
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q76951022
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q76972551

This is a link that someone helpful has provided in the user talk page of
the wikidata user:
https://query.wikidata.org/#%23defaultView%3AMap%0Aselect%20%3Fitem%20%3Fcoordinates%20where%20%7B%0A%20%20%3Fitem%20p%3AP625%2Fprov%3AwasDerivedFrom%2Fpr%3AP248%20wd%3AQ1224853%3B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20wdt%3AP625%20%3Fcoordinates.%0A%7D

I believe the attribution is not sufficient (following the "described at
URL" link there is OSM and mapbox attribution)?

Provided that ODbL and OpenStreetMap would be sufficiently linked, is it
then possible to copy OSM data into wikidata, which is distributed as CC0?

Cheers
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[Talk-it] Incontri estivi GFOSS - 4 giugno-10 luglio 2020

[Stefano Campus]

Buongiorno a tutti,
segnalo che sono aperte le iscrizioni per i prossimi Webinar nell'ambito
degli Incontri Estivi della Associazione GFOSS.it.

Strumenti di analisi speditiva per la valutazione della pericolosità
da caduta massi in ambiente QGIS (Marta Castelli, 19/6/2020)

Introduzione ai database geospaziali (Enrico Ferreguti, Rocco Pispico,
Luca Lanteri, 20/6/2020)

Urbanistica e QGIS: primi passi (Alberto Grava, Amedeo Fadini, 24/6/2020)

OpenStreetMap (Marco Minghini, Alessandro Sarretta, 25/6/2020)

Info ed Iscrizioni:

https://www.gfoss.it/index.php/novita/eventi/incontri-estivi-gfoss


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Re: [Talk-it] Sondaggio OpenStreetMap Italia

[Anisa Kuci]

Ciao a tutti,

questo è solo un gentile promemoria per chi non ha compilato il 
questionario che rimane attivo fino 22 Giugno.


Più risposte avremo, meglio sapremo quali sono gli argomenti più 
importanti per la comunità.


Vi ringrazio in anticipo!

Buona giornata,

Anisa

On 6/8/20 4:46 PM, Anisa Kuci wrote:


Ciao a tutti,

in collaborazione con i coordinatori di OSM Italia abbiamo preparato 
un'indagine con argomenti e attività diverse.


Chiedo gentilmente a tutta la comunità di OSM Italia di compilare il 
sondaggio  in 
modo da poter creare un'idea degli argomenti più importanti su cui 
lavorare.


Se volete condividerlo nei gruppi regionali, per favore segnalatemi 
dove è stato fatto.


Il sondaggio sarà disponibile per due settimane a partire da oggi 
(fino al 22 giugno).


Fatemi sapere se avete domande!

Buona mappatura,

Anisa


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Sortie de RTKBase V2

[Stéphane Péneau]

Le 16/06/2020 à 11:33, Sébastien Dinot a écrit :


Il faut ajouter au moins 20 € pour le F9P, annoncé à 220 € et non 200
sur le site pointé.


Non, c'est bien 200€ HT : 
https://store-drotek.com/891-1023-rtk-zed-f9p-gnss.html#/105-case-without


Le sparkfun est à 204€ chez Digikey
Il y en a un 190 (sans usb) chez gnss.store 
(https://www.gnss.store/gnss-gps-modules/105-ublox-zed-f9p-rtk-gnss-receiver-board-with-sma-base-or-rover.html?search_query=f9p=9)



  Et il faut peut-être ajouter quelques dizaines
d'euros pour la Raspberry-Pi en fonction du modèle requis. Celui pointé,
qui coute 43 €, est une R-Pi 3 avec 1 Go de RAM seulement. Est-ce
suffisant pour l'application ?


Ca suffit largement. La carte Orange Pi Zero est bien moins puissante, 
et ça tourne sans problème (cpu load inférieur à 5%). J'ai juste 
quelques soucis avec la version 256Mo de Ram qui est un peu limite si la 
page web est affichée + ssh + etc... Encore qu'avec un peu 
d'optimisation il doit y avoir moyen que ça passe sans avoir des "out of 
memory". Avec la version 512Mo (10€), ça doit passer sans problème (j'en 
attends une d'ici quelques jours)


Stf


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Re: [Talk-it] Blocchi stradali temporanei

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 16. Jun 2020, at 11:35, "dam...@damjan.net"  wrote:
> 
> Io direi di toglierli completamente. Erano una cosa temporanea e se 
> ritorneranno saranno sempre una cosa temporanea.


+1, disused sarebbe appropriato se le barriere fossero rimaste, se sono rimosse 
le toglierei 


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[Talk-it] invio messaggio tramite nabble

[Stefano Campus]

ciao a tutti,
ho notato che da qualche tempo non è più possibile aprire thread o
rispondere a post attraverso nabble.
è successo anche per le liste di qgis.org e l'amministratore ha nuovamente
reso disponibili questa possibilità.
è successa la stessa cosa per la lista OSM italia?
sono cambiate le policy?
s.
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[OSM-talk-fr] Présentation; greffe urbaine

[Pierre Imbaud]

Bonjour à tous!
Pierre Imbaud, développeur (linux, python, libre), et 
arboriculteur/greffeur; entre autres.
Ce n'est pas mon premier contact avec osm. J'utilise dès que possible 
OSM, de préférence aux outils propriétaires-et-prédateurs. J'étais 
abonné sur la liste anglophone, il y a 10 ans, puis j'ai peu à peu 
abandonné. Je n'arrivais pas à comprendre le fonctionnement des outils 
associés, et j'avais fort à faire par ailleurs.
Je peux éventuellement contribuer, bien que j'habite en zone urbaine, 
plutôt bien cartographiée.
Mais la vraie raison de mon regain d'intérêt pour OSM, c'est mon 
renouveau d'activité en arboriculture.
Déjà bien impliqué dans le mouvement des "villes en transition", 
"incredible edibles", je m'intéresse à l'agriculture urbaine. Membre 
également des "croqueurs de pommes".
L'intérêt possible de OSM pour cette activité est évident: 
cartographier, puis diffuser:

- les délaissées, occupables par des plantes comestibles.
- les arbres produisant fruits ou autres productions intéressantes: 
cerisiers, tilleuls, sureaux...
- les arbres, stériles en l'état, mais greffables pour produire des 
fruits: genre cerisiers du japon...


Une partie des données collectées seraient publiables, d'autres non:
- parce qu'on ne peut pas charger OSM avec des données d'intérêt si 
particulier.
- parce que certaines des données concernent des propriétés privée, que 
les propriétaire préfèrent garder secrètes.
- parce que la greffe d'arbres en ville est illégale (ou le deviendra 
très vite, si l'activité se développe.


Des choses existent déjà, comme https://fallingfruit.org, d'autres 
probablement: mon premier travail sera de recenser, autant que possible, 
cet existant.


Sur les erreurs à ne pas commettre, sur le plan technique, éthique, 
votre aide peut se révéler précieuse.


Merci de votre attention!
Pierre Imbaud.

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Re: [Talk-it] Blocchi stradali temporanei

[dam...@damjan.net]

Io direi di toglierli completamente. Erano una cosa temporanea e se 
ritorneranno saranno sempre una cosa temporanea.

Damjan

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From  : "Cascafico Giovanni" cascaf...@gmail.com
To  : "openstreetmap list - italiano" talk-it@openstreetmap.org
Cc  : 
Date  : Tue, 16 Jun 2020 11:19:21 +0200
Subject : [Talk-it] Blocchi stradali temporanei

> Tra Italia e Slovenia per il covid-19 sono stati mappati diversi
> blocchi stradali (reti e/o blocchi di cemento) in genere taggati così:
> 
> access=no
> barrier=fence
> foot=yes
> note=COVID-19
> 
> In questi giorni sembra siano stati rimossi; se li modifico solo aggiungendo
> disused:barrier=*  il routing rimane bloccato?
> 
> Vorrei mantenere i tag per l'eventuale riuso, nella malaugurata
> ipotesi ritornassero i blocchi reali.

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Sortie de RTKBase V2

[Sébastien Dinot]

Yves P. a écrit :
> base RTK 
>  : 410 
> €

Il faut ajouter au moins 20 € pour le F9P, annoncé à 220 € et non 200
sur le site pointé. Et il faut peut-être ajouter quelques dizaines
d'euros pour la Raspberry-Pi en fonction du modèle requis. Celui pointé,
qui coute 43 €, est une R-Pi 3 avec 1 Go de RAM seulement. Est-ce
suffisant pour l'application ? Une R-Pi 4 avec 4 Go de RAM coute par
exemple 61 € sur le même site. Le tout ferait donc une station de base
à 450 €.

Sébastien

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[Talk-it] Blocchi stradali temporanei

[Cascafico Giovanni]

Tra Italia e Slovenia per il covid-19 sono stati mappati diversi
blocchi stradali (reti e/o blocchi di cemento) in genere taggati così:

access=no
barrier=fence
foot=yes
note=COVID-19

In questi giorni sembra siano stati rimossi; se li modifico solo aggiungendo
disused:barrier=*  il routing rimane bloccato?

Vorrei mantenere i tag per l'eventuale riuso, nella malaugurata
ipotesi ritornassero i blocchi reali.

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Plusieurs SIRET pour un même établissement ?

[Christian Quest]

Le 14/06/2020 à 11:32, Yves P. a écrit :

Bonjour,

Pour une salle de cinéma du Doubs, je trouve 3 SIRETs :

  * Commune de Baume-les-Dames
. Activité
principale Etablissement : 59.14Z - Projection de films
cinématographiques
  * Le Foyer Baumois Stella Cinéma
. Activité
principale Etablissement : 59.14Z - Projection de films
cinématographiques (idem pour l' "entreprise")
  * Ciné Baume .


Tous ces établissements ont comme "Activité principale Etablissement" 
: 59.14Z - Projection de films cinématographiques.
Leur "Nature juridique" sont 7210 - Commune et commune nouvelle 
et 9220 - Association déclarée pour les 2 derniers.


Il n'y a qu'un seul ciné à Baume-les-Dames. 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7619428589


Est-ce une subtilité de la base SIRENE ou un problème de mise à jour 
ou de doublons ?

Est-ce que je n'en garde qu'un seul ou est-ce que je met les 3 ?



Les subtilités de SIRENE...

un SIRET décrit l'activité d'une entreprise (au sens large) à un endroit

Si plusieurs structures (commune, assos) ont une activité de cinéma dans 
cette sale, possible qu'il y ait plusieurs SIRET.


De même, une entreprise (asso, etc), peut avoir deux SIRET à la même 
adresses, pour deux activités différentes.


A cela, il faut ajouter les mises à jour décalées... cessations 
d'activités non remontées à l'INSEE, cas classique pour les asso inactives.


Pas simple !

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Plusieurs SIRET pour un même établissement ?

[Yves P.]

> Si on croise les infos, entre le site de la commune, la page facebook et
> le site du cinéma, l'exploitation actuelle doit etre faite par
> l'association Ciné Baume ; moi c'est ce SIRET là que je mettrais.
> 
> https://www.baumelesdames.org/cinema.html 
> 
> https://fr-fr.facebook.com/cinebaume 
> https://www.cine-baume.fr/ 
> 

J'avais mis celui de la commune car le terme cinéma apparait dans l'enseigne.
Mais c'est en pratique cette association qui en fait l'exploitation.

Je leur ai envoyé un mél pour avoir une confirmation.

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Le wiki n'indique pas si la clé re:FR:SIRET doit contenir une seule valeur.
Il y a 12 POI dans OSM avec au moins 2 SIRETs (chercher ; dans la valeur avec 
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Renderen van addr:flats

[joost schouppe]

Sander,
I absolutely agree with this!
However, as much as I am a fan of CRAB, I don't really trust the
subaddresses. They caused me way too many headaches when I still worked in
the city of Antwerp. Anecdotally, I've surveyed one building for
subaddresses near me, and there was zero correlation between what was on
the post boxes and what was in CRAB. So while I agree the info is useful, I
wouldn't recommend importing it. And a cursory glance at the data shows
that almost all addr:flats we have, are in fact imported. See
http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/V7K - the vast majority here has the tell-tale
source:geometry:date tag from the GRB import; the ones I checked that
haven't seem to be CRAB-imports.

Op ma 15 jun. 2020 om 14:59 schreef Sander Deryckere :

> You can do things with that data besides rendering or using it as a route
> location.
>
> If the data is more or less complete, you can process it to get the number
> of addresses on a street or in an area (for example, if you want to
> distribute a folder to the entire street).
> Or as a postal service, you can check if that address needs a flat number,
> and suggest a list of flats to the users.
>
> Like that, I always considered the values worth to be in OSM, even if it's
> all on the same door/building. Though it's obviously a lot less important
> than housenumbers.
>
> Op ma 15 jun. 2020 om 14:47 schreef Marc M. :
>
>> if one building have 2 entrance, it's useful to describe with entrance
>> need to be used to reach this flats number.
>> but having all flats number on the building or on one-only entrance,
>> is like "to reach the inside of the building, reach the building".
>> it's a bit like adding entrance=yes on the building to say that a
>> building has an entrance somewhere, you don't add any real information.
>>
>> so at this place, I would not have added any addr:flats which would have
>> solved the problem of rendering :) I will only use it in the case of a
>> building with more than one entrance, and so addr:flats on the entrance
>> does not disturb the display of addr:housenumber for the whole building.
>>
>> Le 15.06.20 à 13:55, Lionel Giard a écrit :
>> > The tagging is correct, it is just not supposed to be on area from the
>> > wiki perspective. But indeed I don't see why it is incorrect when a
>> > building is only containing this series of flats and only one entrance ?
>> > And if that's incorrect why are they rendering addr:flats on area and
>> > not node ?! ^^'
>> >
>> > Le lun. 15 juin 2020 à 13:32, joost schouppe > > > a écrit :
>> >
>> > Most of this data comes from the GRB import, I would guess. So it
>> > comes from CRAB. We use the addr:flats to map the "subaddresses".
>> > It seems a little weird to not be able to add the subaddresses on
>> > the same object that has the main address.
>> > The CRAB import tool mentioned this as an optional tag, that is not
>> > so useful for OSM:
>> >
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/AGIV_CRAB_Import#Optional_tags.2C_provided_by_the_tool
>> > I would concur that the quality of the data is not good enough to
>> > import it.
>> > Both examples come from endless_autumn, who did a rather
>> > quick-and-dirty GRB import - a lot of which was reverted.
>> > The GRB-import-validator Midgard made actually flags the flats tag
>> > as "consider removing" as well.
>> > That said, the wiki doesn't say much about the logic of
>> > "subaddresses", maybe we shouldn't use the addr:flats tag -at all-
>> > for subaddresses?
>> >
>> >
>> > Op ma 15 jun. 2020 om 09:22 schreef Sander Deryckere
>> > mailto:sander...@gmail.com>>:
>> >
>> > Hmm,
>> >
>> > it seems indeed that, according to the wiki, this should not be
>> > placed on areas.
>> > However, I expect that in all these cases, all flats are
>> > accessible behind the same door.
>> > So correcting the tag will have the same effect.
>> >
>> > Op ma 15 jun. 2020 om 09:12 schreef Marc M.
>> > mailto:marc_marc_...@hotmail.com>>:
>> >
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > Le 15.06.20 à 08:23, Sander Deryckere a écrit :
>> > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/50.87528/4.69102
>> >
>> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/499694374
>> > this look like a mistake :
>> > wiki :  marking range of numbers of flats behind a door,
>> > but the object isn't a door, it's a building
>> >
>> > maybe osm.carto should avoid to render tagging mistake and
>> > target
>> > only node and maybe only with entrance or door tag
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Marc
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Plusieurs SIRET pour un même établissement ?

[Dominique Rousseau]

Le Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 11:32:35AM +0200, Yves P. [yves.prat...@gmail.com] a 
écrit:
> Bonjour,
> 
> Pour une salle de cinéma du Doubs, je trouve 3 SIRETs :
> Commune de Baume-les-Dames
> . Activité
> principale Etablissement : 59.14Z - Projection de films
> cinématographiques
> Le Foyer Baumois Stella Cinéma
> . Activité
> principale Etablissement : 59.14Z - Projection de films
> cinématographiques (idem pour l' "entreprise")
> Ciné Baume . 
> 
> Tous ces établissements ont comme "Activité principale Etablissement"
> : 59.14Z - Projection de films cinématographiques.
> Leur "Nature juridique" sont 7210 - Commune et commune nouvelle et
> 9220 - Association déclarée pour les 2 derniers.
> 
> Il n'y a qu'un seul ciné à Baume-les-Dames. 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7619428589
> 
> Est-ce une subtilité de la base SIRENE ou un problème de mise à jour ou de 
> doublons ?
> Est-ce que je n'en garde qu'un seul ou est-ce que je met les 3 ?

Si on croise les infos, entre le site de la commune, la page facebook et
le site du cinéma, l'exploitation actuelle doit etre faite par
l'association Ciné Baume ; moi c'est ce SIRET là que je mettrais.

https://www.baumelesdames.org/cinema.html
https://fr-fr.facebook.com/cinebaume
https://www.cine-baume.fr/




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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Numéro sans nom de rue : faux positifs dans la validation de JOSM

[osm . sanspourriel]

Éligible, oui. C'est aussi bien-sûr le nom du truc entre les rues^^.

Sauf que ça reviendrait à créer une associatedStreet sans house.

Car la mairie n'a pas d'adresse.

Plus exactement toute la place est numérotée de 2 à 20. Manque le 1 et le 6.

La Mairie pourrait être le 1 ou le 6.

Donc en toute logique il faudrait sortir la mairie de l'associatedStreet
(qui est la seule de la relation actuellement).

Le 15/06/2020 à 16:12, Philippe Verdy - ver...@gmail.com a écrit :

"La Place" ici est le nom de la boucle. Les rues qui s'y connectent
ont leur propre nom, dont cette place n'hérite pas.
S'il y a des panneaux je suis presque certain que ça affiche "La
Place" comme nom de "rue".
Bref "La Place" serait donc éligible à une relation associatedStreet
sous ce nom pour ensuite mettre les noeuds membres des adresses
situées autour (s'il y en a, en principe oui et c'est porté au
cadastre même si ce n'est pas affiché sur le terrain)

Le sam. 13 juin 2020 à 20:09, mailto:osm.sanspourr...@spamgourmet.com>> a écrit :

La précision "pour la France" est importante car certains pays
n'ont pas encore les délimitations des différents échelons
administratifs et donc le is_in est encore utile dans certains pays.

On peut continuer le nettoyage, tell que le nom de rue des points
d'adresses qui sont dans une relation associatedStreet.

Pour avoir viré des références INSEE sur les mairies des
départements 59/62, je peux affirmer que le nombre de noms mal
tapé est impressionnant (merci Osmose).

Et j'ai un cas limite :

https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/122685881#map=19/50.14744/3.81485

https://www.taisnieres-en-thierache.fr/ confirme que l'adresse est
la bonne.

à savoir :
La Place
59550 Taisnières-en-Thiérache

Pas de numéro donc logiquement

add:place=La Place

Et on met La Place en place=square ?
Mais dans ce cas on ne met pas dans une associatedStreet.

Ou on considère au niveau d'Osmose que c'est un faux positif ?

Le 13/06/2020 à 19:25, Yves P. - yves.prat...@gmail.com
 a écrit :

Il me semble qu'il y a eu du ménage de fait sur les is_in=*

Est-ce que ça vaudrait le coup de faire pareil ?

Un petit coup de requête Overpass dans JOSM (pour la France) et… c'est 
réglé :)

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Sortie de RTKBase V2

[Stéphane Péneau]

Le 16/06/2020 à 10:05, Yves P. a écrit :

Aujourd'hui c'est la sortie officielle de RTKBase v2.

:)

On peut passer commande auprès du Père Noël ?
Je parle du financement (de tout ou partie) du matériel pour une base 
et un rover pour un groupe local :)


Si la page est à jour, les coûts en matériel sont les suivants :

  * base RTK
 :
410 €
  * mobile RTK

 :
370 €


Stef, tu confirmes ?


Oui, on est dans ces tarifs là. Attention, il faut ajouter la Tva.

On peut baisser un peu le tarif en troquant le Raspberry pi par un 
orange pi zero.
On l'augmente un peu en utilisant du POE, ce qui permet de n'avoir qu'un 
seul câble pour alimenter la base.


Ce sont les solutions que j'ai choisies : 
https://github.com/Stefal/rtkbase/raw/master/images/base_f9p_orange_pi_zero.jpg



Il y a aussi Navspark qui a sorti un récepteur concurrent du F9P, et qui 
est un peu moins cher, mais je ne l'ai pas testé, et il ne se connecte 
pas en Usb. C'est donc un peu plus compliqué à monter pour qui n'a pas 
l'habitude.


Stf

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Sortie de RTKBase V2

[Yves P.]

> Aujourd'hui c'est la sortie officielle de RTKBase v2.
:)

On peut passer commande auprès du Père Noël ?
Je parle du financement (de tout ou partie) du matériel pour une base et un 
rover pour un groupe local :)

Si la page est à jour, les coûts en matériel sont les suivants :
base RTK 
 : 410 €
mobile RTK 
 : 
370 €

Stef, tu confirmes ?

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[Talk-ca] WikiProject Canada Post - franchise assessment

[David Nelson via Talk-ca]

I have just finished assessing which post offices in Canada among those we have 
not yet added to OSM are franchises, and which of those franchise outlets' 
parent businesses already appear in our database.  Those such locations are now 
marked in pale red on the project's spreadsheets.  The node for each such post 
office location just has to be positioned right next to its respective parent 
business.  You can determine what each parent business is by looking on Canada 
Post’s own website, or by doing a simple web search for the postal code of each 
such outlet.  With this, we are in a position to immediately add nearly 700 
more Canada Post outlets across the country to OSM.  This would bring the 
progress of this project to a completion measure of just under 48 percent.

- David E. Nelson

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[OSM-talk-fr] Sortie de RTKBase V2

[Stéphane Péneau]

Salut tout le monde,

Aujourd'hui c'est la sortie officielle de RTKBase v2.

Qu'est-ce que c'est ?

Un ensemble logiciel pour gérer facilement une station de base Gnns. Ces 
bases sont nécessaires pour faire du positionnement centimétrique en RTK.


Nouveautés :
- Interface Web
- Installation automatique
- Configuration automatique des Ublox F9P connectés en Usb
- Niveaux de réception des satellites
- Carte
- Paramétrage
- Mise à jour depuis l'interface web
- Gestion des fichiers Raw

C'est bien entendu du logiciel libre, et c'est disponible ici :

https://github.com/Stefal/rtkbase


Et il y a même une image préparée prête à être flashée pour #RaspberryPi 
et rejoindre facilement le réseau ouvert #centipede

https://github.com/jancelin/pi-gen/releases
https://jancelin.github.io/docs-centipedeRTK/docs/base/


En attendant que je publie sur mon journal Osm, il y a quelques captures 
et vidéo sur mon compte twitter :


https://twitter.com/stfmani/status/1272751871959224320

Stéphane


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[talk-cz] prazsky missingmaps mapathon je v utery, 30. 6. 2020 v kavarne pracovna

[Jiri Vlasak]

Ahoj,

další pražský mapathon bude v úterý, 30. 6. 2020 v Kavárně Pracovna [1]. Je to
vždycky skvělý pocit přidat novou budovu do mapy, ne? :)

[1]: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3219010176

Pěkný den,
jiri

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[OSM-talk-fr] Tous (im)mobiles, tous cartographes ?

[Sébastien Dinot]

Bonjour,

Un collègue vient de me signaler le colloque suivant, qui se tiendra à Toulouse 
du 2 au 4 novembre 2020 :

Tous (im)mobiles, tous cartographes ?
Approches cartographiques des mobilités,
des circulations, des flux et des déplacements

Méthodes, outils, représentations, pratiques et usages

!! Participez et déposez votre contribution jusqu'au 30 juin 2020 !!

https://cartomob.sciencesconf.org/

Sébastien

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Ne goûtez pas au logiciel libre, vous ne pourriez plus vous en passer !


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