Re: [Talk-us] While we're fixing things in iterations

2020-09-23 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-us
Sep 23, 2020, 23:37 by stevea...@softworkers.com: > Paul Johnson wrote: > >> Can we finally fix two other longstanding problems, then? >> >> 1. The wiki being incorrect about not counting bicycle lanes. That's not >> reflective of how validators deal with lanes, how data consumers like

Re: [Talk-us] While we're fixing things in iterations

2020-09-23 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-us
Sep 24, 2020, 01:00 by ba...@ursamundi.org: > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 5:56 PM Andy Townsend <> ajt1...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> >> >> >> On 23/09/2020 23:01, Paul Johnson wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 4:37PM stevea <>>> >>> stevea...@softworkers.com>>> >

Re: [Talk-us] While we're fixing things in iterations

2020-09-23 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 6:22 PM Andy Townsend wrote: > On 24/09/2020 00:00, Paul Johnson wrote: > > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 5:56 PM Andy Townsend wrote: > >> >> On 23/09/2020 23:01, Paul Johnson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 4:37 PM stevea wrote: >> >>> Paul Johnson wrote:

Re: [Talk-us] While we're fixing things in iterations

2020-09-23 Thread Andy Townsend
On 24/09/2020 00:00, Paul Johnson wrote: On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 5:56 PM Andy Townsend > wrote: On 23/09/2020 23:01, Paul Johnson wrote: On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 4:37 PM stevea mailto:stevea...@softworkers.com>> wrote: Paul Johnson

Re: [Talk-us] While we're fixing things in iterations

2020-09-23 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 5:56 PM Andy Townsend wrote: > > On 23/09/2020 23:01, Paul Johnson wrote: > > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 4:37 PM stevea wrote: > >> Paul Johnson wrote: >> > > 2. Tagging route information on ways. It's about a decade too long at >> this point for ref=* on a way to be

Re: [Talk-us] While we're fixing things in iterations

2020-09-23 Thread Andy Townsend
On 23/09/2020 23:01, Paul Johnson wrote: On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 4:37 PM stevea > wrote: Paul Johnson mailto:ba...@ursamundi.org>> wrote: > 2. Tagging route information on ways.  It's about a decade too long at this point for ref=* on a way

Re: [Talk-us] While we're fixing things in iterations

2020-09-23 Thread stevea
Of course, I'm not pointing fingers or placing blame on any person / human in particular. We agree: a bit of cleaning some rust off of the toolchain. Change management. Does that happen on this channel? That's OK: no need to answer that. SteveA

Re: [Talk-us] While we're fixing things in iterations

2020-09-23 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 4:37 PM stevea wrote: > Paul Johnson wrote: > > Can we finally fix two other longstanding problems, then? > > > > 1. The wiki being incorrect about not counting bicycle lanes. That's > not reflective of how validators deal with lanes, how data consumers like > Osmand or

Re: [Talk-us] While we're fixing things in iterations

2020-09-23 Thread stevea
Paul Johnson wrote: > Can we finally fix two other longstanding problems, then? > > 1. The wiki being incorrect about not counting bicycle lanes. That's not > reflective of how validators deal with lanes, how data consumers like Osmand > or Magic Earth deal with lanes, or how ground truth

Re: [Talk-us] United States Bicycle Route System ballot(s) pending AASHTO approval

2020-09-23 Thread stevea
On Sep 22, 2020, at 8:38 PM, Elliott Plack wrote: > Excellent! I see no problem keeping state=proposed with the lifecycle. With both of us in agreement about tag "proposed:route=bicycle" (especially as it co-exists with "state=proposed") can we gain some more consensus (here, soon?) allowing

Re: [Talk-us] place=neighborhood on subdivisions?

2020-09-23 Thread stevea
On Sep 23, 2020, at 10:51 AM, Brian Stromberg wrote: > A short question of a lengthy response: What is the history behind that > definition of 'suburb'? Is it a result of the term being used that way in > UK/Europe/elsewhere? Seems like an odd usage, since "suburbs" have had a very > clear

Re: [Talk-us] place=neighborhood on subdivisions?

2020-09-23 Thread Brian Stromberg
A short question of a lengthy response: What is the history behind that definition of 'suburb'? Is it a result of the term being used that way in UK/Europe/elsewhere? Seems like an odd usage, since "suburbs" have had a very clear definition in the United States for decades now, and it has nothing

[Talk-us] While we're fixing things in iterations

2020-09-23 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 11:34 AM stevea wrote: > > Exactly. My rule of thumb is if you're thinking about putting a name on > it, and it's not a shopping center, apartment complex or similar large but > contiguous landuse, then landuse=* probably isn't what your polygon should > be. > > At least

Re: [Talk-us] place=neighborhood on subdivisions?

2020-09-23 Thread stevea
Below, I answer Paul (first) and Joseph (second), both with substantial detail, so "lengthy post ahead." Paul Johnson wrote: > In terms of Seattle, I don't think Ballard or Magnolia are a suburb. They're > more of a neighborhood, both subordinate to Seattle. Mercer Island or > Bellvue are

Re: [Talk-us] place=neighborhood on subdivisions?

2020-09-23 Thread Matthew Woehlke
On 23/09/2020 00.52, Paul Johnson wrote: In terms of Seattle, I don't think Ballard or Magnolia are a suburb. They're more of a neighborhood, both subordinate to Seattle. I admit this threw me at first also, but read https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:place%3Dsuburb. To wit: "OSM's