Re: [Talk-us] Dirt Roads (formerly: Abandoned railway)

2014-09-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Il giorno 06/set/2014, alle ore 23:41, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com ha scritto: The concept of hierarchy still exists for hiking trails, motorcycle routes, paths, stairs, walkways. For stairs, walkways and paths I am not so sure, usually when walking you'll take the shortest

Re: [Talk-us] Dirt Roads (formerly: Abandoned railway)

2014-09-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Il giorno 06/set/2014, alle ore 07:24, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com ha scritto: BUT ANY OF THESE can be primary, secondary, tertiary or residential. No, the ones that are too narrow (motorcycle) can only be path in osm Cheers, Martin

Re: [Talk-us] Dirt Roads (formerly: Abandoned railway)

2014-09-06 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Greg Morgan wrote: It feels like the discussion is about fixing a routing problem when in reality you would exclude people that want to make it to Cleator Arizona or other recreational destinations. The people at the Cleator Bar and Yacht Club[4] would question your judgement that this a

Re: [Talk-us] Dirt Roads (formerly: Abandoned railway)

2014-09-06 Thread Tod Fitch
On Sep 6, 2014, at 1:12 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Il giorno 06/set/2014, alle ore 07:24, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com ha scritto: BUT ANY OF THESE can be primary, secondary, tertiary or residential. No, the ones that are too narrow (motorcycle) can only be path in osm

Re: [Talk-us] Dirt Roads (formerly: Abandoned railway)

2014-09-06 Thread Simon Poole
Am 06.09.2014 15:19, schrieb Tod Fitch: It is way too late now, but I think tagging of traveled ways would have been better off it a simple highway=yes tag had been agreed to with everything else in other tags like width=*, surface=*, maxspeed=*, access=*, etc. IMHO you should

Re: [Talk-us] Dirt Roads (formerly: Abandoned railway)

2014-09-06 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 1:12 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Il giorno 06/set/2014, alle ore 07:24, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com ha scritto: BUT ANY OF THESE can be primary, secondary, tertiary or residential. No, the ones that are too narrow (motorcycle)

Re: [Talk-us] Dirt Roads (formerly: Abandoned railway)

2014-09-05 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
I see rural roads breaking down fairly neatly: - Paved - Unpaved improved - Track - ATV/Narrow vehicle only (the United States Forest Service defines this as 50 body width or less) - Single track (e.g. Motorcycle) - Trail - Closed to some combination of

Re: [Talk-us] Dirt Roads (formerly: Abandoned railway)

2014-09-04 Thread Greg Morgan
Here's my concern with the discussion. After 6.5 hours of driving for 129 mile round trip, you can type in 13030 east crown king road and find a valid location along a dirt road. There are posted speed limits, mile markers, two lanes of travel, addresses and the like. I saw more traffic on

Re: [Talk-us] Dirt Roads (formerly: Abandoned railway)

2014-09-03 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 12:23 AM, Michael Patrick geodes...@gmail.com wrote: A road is a motor vehicle travel way over 50 inches wide, unless classified and managed as a trail. The II_ROAD_CORE table includes all of the nationally required data fields representing road characteristics Complete

Re: [Talk-us] Dirt Roads (formerly: Abandoned railway)

2014-09-02 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 09/02/2014 05:27 AM, Nick Hocking wrote: I beleive that it's absolutely essential (from safety and useability perspectives) to immediately mark all these uncertain ways as unroutable. ... A bot could do this easily and then it really doesn't matter how long it takes to find the best

Re: [Talk-us] Dirt Roads (formerly: Abandoned railway)

2014-09-02 Thread Mike N
On 9/1/2014 11:27 PM, Nick Hocking wrote: I think thrse ways can easily be identified by... 1) They are original TIGER data import 2) They have not been edited since import 3) They are higway=residential 4) They are unnamed Another way to select roads having suspicious routing would be:

Re: [Talk-us] Dirt Roads (formerly: Abandoned railway)

2014-09-02 Thread Tod Fitch
nick.hock...@gmail.com Reply: Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com Date: September 1, 2014 at 9:28:45 PM To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org talk-us@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Dirt Roads (formerly: Abandoned railway) While people work out how to remove the multitude of tiger ways

Re: [Talk-us] Dirt Roads (formerly: Abandoned railway)

2014-09-02 Thread stevea
I think the other half of the equation, however, is actually getting this fixed across the country. At present it appears to be just a small number of mappers doing it in their areas; the US is a big place, and at the current rate it's not going to be fixed any time soon. Drive-by tools like

Re: [Talk-us] Dirt Roads (formerly: Abandoned railway)

2014-09-02 Thread Clifford Snow
On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 9:52 AM, stevea stevea...@softworkers.com wrote: I'd like to see (more) well-identified, well-prioritized, even-novices-can-do-this-if-they-want such projects emerge and be displayed in our wiki (or someplace) so that fired-up OSM volunteers itching to map can shop

Re: [Talk-us] Dirt Roads (formerly: Abandoned railway)

2014-09-02 Thread Mark Newnham
...@snowandsnow.us To: stevea stevea...@softworkers.com Cc: talk-us talk-us@openstreetmap.org Sent: Tuesday, September 2, 2014 6:26 PM Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Dirt Roads (formerly: Abandoned railway) On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 9:52 AM, stevea stevea...@softworkers.com wrote: I'd like to see (more

Re: [Talk-us] Dirt Roads (formerly: Abandoned railway)

2014-09-02 Thread Hans De Kryger
*Cc:* talk-us talk-us@openstreetmap.org *Sent:* Tuesday, September 2, 2014 6:26 PM *Subject:* Re: [Talk-us] Dirt Roads (formerly: Abandoned railway) On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 9:52 AM, stevea stevea...@softworkers.com wrote: I'd like to see (more) well-identified, well-prioritized, even-novices

Re: [Talk-us] Dirt Roads (formerly: Abandoned railway)

2014-09-01 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Richard Welty wrote: agreed. i have spent quite a lot of time in Iowa farming territory where the road grid consists mostly of high quality, well maintained gravel roads that are in regular, heavy use by farm equipment. i generally give these highway=unclassified, surface=gravel. Great

Re: [Talk-us] Dirt Roads (formerly: Abandoned railway)

2014-09-01 Thread Mike N
On 9/1/2014 7:53 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: I think the other half of the equation, however, is actually getting this fixed across the country. At present it appears to be just a small number of mappers doing it in their areas; To be honest, I don't really get the problem with excessive

Re: [Talk-us] Dirt Roads (formerly: Abandoned railway)

2014-09-01 Thread Wolfgang Zenker
Hi, * Mike N nice...@att.net [140901 14:45]: On 9/1/2014 7:53 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: I think the other half of the equation, however, is actually getting this fixed across the country. At present it appears to be just a small number of mappers doing it in their areas; To be honest,

Re: [Talk-us] Dirt Roads (formerly: Abandoned railway)

2014-09-01 Thread Mike N
On 9/1/2014 9:59 AM, Wolfgang Zenker wrote: I guess you haven't done much in the rural parts of the US yet. Have a look at Lincoln County MT: You will find A LOT of tracks. Most of these had been tagged as residential highway in the TIGER import (with horrible distorted geometry of course), and

Re: [Talk-us] Dirt Roads (formerly: Abandoned railway)

2014-09-01 Thread Mike N
On 9/1/2014 11:27 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Except I don't know if they're at all cyclable, or if I need to take the bike with knobbly tyres, or even if they exist at all. OSM in the US just isn't reliable to that level, whereas it is in Western Europe, and the Australians are also working on

Re: [Talk-us] Dirt Roads (formerly: Abandoned railway)

2014-09-01 Thread stevea
What would help here? A Tasking Manager instance with defined areas (say, 10km x 10km, or counties, or...)? Anything else? I like the idea of a TM to help here (like a cake map or somesuch), but I'd rather we slice things up by county rather than (random, 10km x 10km) grids. Reason #1 is

Re: [Talk-us] Dirt Roads (formerly: Abandoned railway)

2014-09-01 Thread Nick Hocking
While people work out how to remove the multitude of tiger ways that don't actually exist, downgrade others from the incorrect residential to unclassified or track depending on imagery or ground survey, and fix the geometry of all unedited TIGER data, I beleive that it's absolutely essential (from

Re: [Talk-us] Dirt Roads (formerly: Abandoned railway)

2014-09-01 Thread Michael Patrick
I think the other half of the equation, however, is actually getting this fixed across the country. At present it appears to be just a small number of mappers doing it in their areas; the US is a big place, and at the current rate it's not going to be fixed any time soon. Drive-by tools like

Re: [Talk-us] Dirt Roads (formerly: Abandoned railway)

2014-08-31 Thread Russell Deffner
Well, the road your referring to sounds like a track, if it has no other significant use than a beautiful and adventurous way to travel between the two towns. However, the road I live on is well maintained (graded, plowed in winter, etc. – FYI I drive a Nissan Maxima/low clearance 2WD) but

Re: [Talk-us] Dirt Roads (formerly: Abandoned railway)

2014-08-31 Thread Russell Deffner
that. Happy Mapping! From: Paul Johnson [mailto:ba...@ursamundi.org] Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:12 PM To: Russell Deffner Cc: Mike N; OpenStreetMap talk-us list Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Dirt Roads (formerly: Abandoned railway) Likewise, I consider WA-500 a trunk west of WA-503 to it's

Re: [Talk-us] Dirt Roads (formerly: Abandoned railway)

2014-08-31 Thread Paul Johnson
Likewise, I consider WA-500 a trunk west of WA-503 to it's terminus at I-5, even though it's largely grade separated, due to it's very short length (not even all the way across Vancouver, WA) and multiple at-grade intersections, including it's intersection with WA-503, and low speed (45 MPH). On

Re: [Talk-us] Dirt Roads (formerly: Abandoned railway)

2014-08-31 Thread Tod Fitch
+1 to this. While mapping areas near my folks where I grew up there are lots of dirt roads and there are lots of tracks and they are different. In that area, in my opinion, a dirt road will have regular maintenance sufficient for passage by a family car and, generally but not always, be wide

Re: [Talk-us] Dirt Roads (formerly: Abandoned railway)

2014-08-31 Thread Richard Welty
On 8/31/14 1:03 PM, Tod Fitch wrote: +1 to this. While mapping areas near my folks where I grew up there are lots of dirt roads and there are lots of tracks and they are different. In that area, in my opinion, a dirt road will have regular maintenance sufficient for passage by a family car