Re: [Talk-us] Getting ready for the license change

2012-02-05 Thread Mike N
On 1/14/2012 1:20 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: As you can see, the situation for highways / interstates is particularly bad in SC / GA. I'd say that is a priority if you want to help out. I've not had any reply back from my 'Decliner'-contact in SC about a public domain option. At this point,

Re: [Talk-us] Getting ready for the license change

2012-01-14 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 01/15/2012 12:16 AM, Toby Murray wrote: Not correct; anonymous users are know to OSM with their e-mail address and user name, it's just that these details are never revealed through the API. Right, which is exactly what is happening in this case, isn't it? A sorry. I thought that when

Re: [Talk-us] Getting ready for the license change

2012-01-14 Thread Toby Murray
On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 1:29 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > > On 01/14/2012 08:14 PM, Toby Murray wrote: >> >> I think this is an anonymous user. This was an option early in OSM >> history that was done away with a while ago. They can still agree... >> but obviously we have no way of contactin

Re: [Talk-us] Getting ready for the license change

2012-01-14 Thread Mike N
On 1/14/2012 1:20 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: As you can see, the situation for highways / interstates is particularly bad in SC / GA. I'm still checking the PD option for most of one of the SC decliner's work - I should hear back this weekend. __

Re: [Talk-us] Getting ready for the license change

2012-01-14 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 01/14/2012 08:14 PM, Toby Murray wrote: I think this is an anonymous user. This was an option early in OSM history that was done away with a while ago. They can still agree... but obviously we have no way of contacting them Not correct; anonymous users are know to OSM with their e-mail

Re: [Talk-us] Getting ready for the license change

2012-01-14 Thread Toby Murray
On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Kristian M Zoerhoff wrote: > On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 12:06:37PM -0500, Richard Welty wrote: >> On 1/13/12 10:49 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: >> >If your own area is clean, please consider helping out in more heavily >> >affected areas. >> > >> The Capital District

Re: [Talk-us] Getting ready for the license change

2012-01-14 Thread Richard Welty
On 1/14/12 1:20 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Richard Welty wrote: i know Martijn has a bunch of issues out in the SLC area, so i'm volunteering to take assignments from him to do cleanups out there. Thanks. I'm asking for help on the main infrastructure in part

Re: [Talk-us] Getting ready for the license change

2012-01-14 Thread Kristian M Zoerhoff
On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 12:06:37PM -0500, Richard Welty wrote: > On 1/13/12 10:49 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: > >If your own area is clean, please consider helping out in more heavily > >affected areas. > > > The Capital District of NY is in pretty good shape and i cleaned up the > things that were

Re: [Talk-us] Getting ready for the license change

2012-01-14 Thread Martijn van Exel
On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Richard Welty wrote: > On 1/13/12 10:49 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: >> >> If your own area is clean, please consider helping out in more heavily >> affected areas. >> > The Capital District of NY is in pretty good shape and i cleaned up the > things that were goin

Re: [Talk-us] Getting ready for the license change

2012-01-14 Thread Richard Welty
On 1/13/12 10:49 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: If your own area is clean, please consider helping out in more heavily affected areas. The Capital District of NY is in pretty good shape and i cleaned up the things that were going to be the worst problems already. i know Martijn has a bunch of iss

Re: [Talk-us] Getting ready for the license change

2012-01-13 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 14 January 2012 01:19, Andrew Cleveland wrote: > So every TIGER way in the western US will require the odbl=clean tag? No, the bot edits are assumed by LWG to not deserve protection, plus additionally all the related changesets are on Frederik Ramm's whitelist which I think is likely to be use

Re: [Talk-us] Getting ready for the license change

2012-01-13 Thread Andrew Cleveland
On Sat, 2012-01-14 at 00:18 +0100, andrzej zaborowski wrote: > On 13 January 2012 22:50, Paul Johnson wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 12:44:30PM -0700, Martijn van Exel wrote: > > > >> I do that too. There is of course a small chance of the decliner > >> changing his or her mind, so I only dele

Re: [Talk-us] Getting ready for the license change

2012-01-13 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 13 January 2012 22:50, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 12:44:30PM -0700, Martijn van Exel wrote: > >> I do that too. There is of course a small chance of the decliner >> changing his or her mind, so I only delete data that is tainted by a >> decliner that I have personally been in

Re: [Talk-us] Getting ready for the license change

2012-01-13 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
If you really want to understand this you will need to ask a lawyer. or start a discussen on talk-legal to me it looks like some political game and splitting hairs about some of the CT details. Considering balrog-kun has a new account where CT is accepted and this declaration then all the data

Re: [Talk-us] Getting ready for the license change

2012-01-13 Thread Mike N
On 1/13/2012 4:50 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: Speaking of, has anyone talked to balrog-kun yet? I know he was at one point insanely prolific and I often stumble across his data, he's currently a decliner. I don't have a clue what the below statement means, since he hasn't said he'll make his edi

Re: [Talk-us] Getting ready for the license change

2012-01-13 Thread Richard Weait
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 12:44:30PM -0700, Martijn van Exel wrote: > >> I do that too. There is of course a small chance of the decliner >> changing his or her mind, so I only delete data that is tainted by a >> decliner that I have personally

Re: [Talk-us] Getting ready for the license change

2012-01-13 Thread Paul Johnson
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 12:44:30PM -0700, Martijn van Exel wrote: > I do that too. There is of course a small chance of the decliner > changing his or her mind, so I only delete data that is tainted by a > decliner that I have personally been in touch with about the license > change and my best ju

Re: [Talk-us] Getting ready for the license change

2012-01-13 Thread Richard Weait
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 2:44 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: > On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: >> I will even pre-emptively delete stuff that I know would otherwise get >> deleted automatically, because that way I am in control, I see what happens, >> I see the side effects, a

Re: [Talk-us] Getting ready for the license change

2012-01-13 Thread Martijn van Exel
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > > On 01/13/2012 06:39 PM, Peter Dobratz wrote: >> >> I agree that it makes more sense to clean up the map after the deletes >> from the license change have taken affect.  As far as I know, it's still >> being sorted out exactly which

Re: [Talk-us] Getting ready for the license change

2012-01-13 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 01/13/2012 06:39 PM, Peter Dobratz wrote: I agree that it makes more sense to clean up the map after the deletes from the license change have taken affect. As far as I know, it's still being sorted out exactly which portions of the map will be deleted. Personally, in the area I care fo

Re: [Talk-us] Getting ready for the license change

2012-01-13 Thread Martijn van Exel
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Peter Dobratz wrote: > > > On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Mike N wrote: >> >> On 1/13/2012 10:49 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: >>> >>> * Remap data that remains at risk of being removed, following the >>> guidelines on the wiki (see links below). >> >> >> Assumi

Re: [Talk-us] Getting ready for the license change

2012-01-13 Thread Richard Weait
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Peter Dobratz wrote: > [ ... ] it makes more sense to clean up the map after the deletes from > the license change have taken affect. I disagree. It's always better to go mapping than to not go mapping. That's the core value of OSM; improve the data. If nothing

Re: [Talk-us] Getting ready for the license change

2012-01-13 Thread Toby Murray
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Peter Dobratz wrote: > On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Mike N wrote: >> >> On 1/13/2012 10:49 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: >>> >>> * Remap data that remains at risk of being removed, following the >>> guidelines on the wiki (see links below). >> >> >> Assuming t

Re: [Talk-us] Getting ready for the license change

2012-01-13 Thread Josh Doe
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: > There are several things we can do together to minimize the data loss > and ensure a smooth changeover to the new license: > * Contact mappers who have declined or not agreed yet. I've heard this theme over and over again, that the major

Re: [Talk-us] Getting ready for the license change

2012-01-13 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 1/13/2012 12:39 PM, Peter Dobratz wrote: I agree that it makes more sense to clean up the map after the deletes from the license change have taken affect. Except that the April Fools change will not preserve a lot of the additions (if a non-agreer splits a way, and you add a maxspeed, how is

Re: [Talk-us] Getting ready for the license change

2012-01-13 Thread Peter Dobratz
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Mike N wrote: > On 1/13/2012 10:49 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: > >> * Remap data that remains at risk of being removed, following the >> guidelines on the wiki (see links below). >> > > Assuming that the April 1 delete is a smart delete, is it better to wait > un

Re: [Talk-us] Getting ready for the license change

2012-01-13 Thread Mike N
On 1/13/2012 10:49 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: * Remap data that remains at risk of being removed, following the guidelines on the wiki (see links below). Assuming that the April 1 delete is a smart delete, is it better to wait until afterward? I'm thinking of this - 1 TIGER - agreer 2 B

[Talk-us] Getting ready for the license change

2012-01-13 Thread Martijn van Exel
Hi all, The final phase of the license changeover to the Open Database License[1] from our current CC-BY-SA is drawing near. From April 1[2], current OpenStreetMap data will only be available under the new license. This means that all data that was contributed by those who did not agree to the new