Re: [OSM-talk] Announcing State of the Map 2024: Join us in Nairobi and online on 6-8 September 2024!

2023-08-22 Thread john whelan
I think there is a great deal to be said for holding SotM in different locations. The trouble is finding them. Running a successful conference like this is quite a lot of work. Locations that are used to holding conferences will have experienced teams that exist. Other locations will have to

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcing State of the Map 2024: Join us in Nairobi and online on 6-8 September 2024!

2023-08-22 Thread o_andras
Hi fellow humans! (replying to the top email to avoid accidentally pointing fingers, lest anyone think I'm accusing them of anything; it's intended to be more of an introspection guide) I find it disheartening that "open and diverse" nowadays seems to mean "exclusive". The rules created to

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcing State of the Map 2024: Join us in Nairobi and online on 6-8 September 2024!

2023-08-18 Thread Amanda McCann
On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 11:38 +02:00, Frederik Ramm  wrote: > I don't think it is reasonable to expect the code of conduct to hold > against forceful outside influence - be that a group of armed thugs > crashing your conference, or a group of policemen come to make trouble, > or the businessperson

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcing State of the Map 2024: Join us in Nairobi and online on 6-8 September 2024!

2023-08-17 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 17.08.23 09:59, Paul Norman wrote: Government travel advisories state LGTBQ people are routinely harassed by the police. If this happens at the conference, how would you enforce the Code of Conduct which prohibits LGTBQ harassment? I don't think it is reasonable to expect the code of

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcing State of the Map 2024: Join us in Nairobi and online on 6-8 September 2024!

2023-08-17 Thread Paul Norman
On 2023-08-14 10:56 a.m., Federica Gaspari wrote: Following the good feedback for State of the Map 2022 Firenze, the upcoming State of the Map 2024 will once again be held in a hybrid format. Building on the valuable lessons and experiences from the previous events, the SotM Organising

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcing State of the Map 2024: Join us in Nairobi and online on 6-8 September 2024!

2023-08-16 Thread John Whelan
Whoever said life was easy.  My understanding is Kenya requires visas for many African countries so perhaps ease of obtaining visas etc should go on the list. I sympathise with the idea of holding one in Africa or elsewhere I just naturally look for any problems that might arise. Running a

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcing State of the Map 2024: Join us in Nairobi and online on 6-8 September 2024!

2023-08-16 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 8/16/23 20:01, John Whelan wrote: If it was in the EU or the USA a higher proportion of members would not need a passport or visa. ... but almost all visitors from Africa would, and more importantly, many would have a very hard time obtaining it. Whereas the average "westerner"

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcing State of the Map 2024: Join us in Nairobi and online on 6-8 September 2024!

2023-08-16 Thread John Whelan
Andrew Hain: "I would like to congratulate the organising team in Nairobi and the SotM Working Group for doing this. Giving the worldwide community a broader understanding of the challenges of mapping Africa and using maps there is positive step for OSM’s inclusiveness as a truly worldwide

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcing State of the Map 2024: Join us in Nairobi and online on 6-8 September 2024!

2023-08-16 Thread Andrew Hain
I would like to congratulate the organising team in Nairobi and the SotM Working Group for doing this. Giving the worldwide community a broader understanding of the challenges of mapping Africa and using maps there is positive step for OSM’s inclusiveness as a truly worldwide map. -- Andrew

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcing State of the Map 2024: Join us in Nairobi and online on 6-8 September 2024!

2023-08-16 Thread Clay Smalley
As a gay man, I was considering attending SOTM 2024, but I'm having reservations after reading what Aimee and Amanda have brought up. The bid for SOTM 2024 put forward by OSM Kenya [1] has the following paragraph: > Nairobi has a more progressive outlook compared to other regions in the >

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcing State of the Map 2024: Join us in Nairobi and online on 6-8 September 2024!

2023-08-16 Thread Amanda McCann
I'm an out, queer trans woman. I presume this event won't be safe for people like me? It's illegal to be gay in Nairobi, and parliamentarians are proposing even stricter, oppressive laws¹. Trans people are often lumped into the same group. The last SotM CoC² said: “[we are] dedicated to

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcing State of the Map 2024: Join us in Nairobi and online on 6-8 September 2024!

2023-08-16 Thread Christine Karch
Hi Aimee, thank you for bringing up this to public attention. We are aware about this conflict and awful situation for queer community during next years SotM. Nevertheless we decided to go to Africa next year. A long time we planned this. It was interrupted by Corona pandemia. We will do

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcing State of the Map 2024: Join us in Nairobi and online on 6-8 September 2024!

2023-08-15 Thread Aimee Knight
Dear Federica et al, While I understand the challenges that were faced in selecting a venue for the 2023 conference and the subsequent need to reschedule, I am troubled by the choice of host country for the 2024 event. I firmly believe in the importance of ensuring that the SotM conference is