I want to understand EXACTLY how my mail is triaged and why,
particularly on my critical accounts.
MA Unfortunately, it is my sad yet considered opinion the choice to do
MA your own filtering is evaporating. My friend told me boastfully about
MA how his Iowa (USA) ISP was Filtering his mail
Hi folks,
I have created an address book group with the idea of sending a single
email to all members of the group (ie. a mailing list).
When I am addressing an email, I can bring up the address picker and
by default it shows me all email addresses in my address book. If I
select the group at
Michael,
On 13-06-2003 06:59, you [M] wrote in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
M --
Your test failed.
The signature delimiter should be -- (new line, dash, dash, space,
new line).
BTW, your signature is _huge_.
--
greeting Best regards /greeting
author Peter Fjelsten /author
thebat version 1.63
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Hi Mike,
@12-Jun-2003, 19:05 -0400 (00:05 UK time) Mike Apsey [MA] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said
I want to understand EXACTLY how my mail is triaged and why,
particularly on my critical accounts.
MA Unfortunately, it is my sad yet considered
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Hi Tb,
@13-Jun-2003, 06:09 Michael Thompson [T] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said
T How long are registrations valid?
Thus far they have been continuous.
T Ie, up to the next major release then have to pay again?
This is guesswork, because there
Hello Joseph,
Thursday, June 12, 2003, 11:47:19 PM, you wrote:
JN Any opinion about how either measures up to SpamPal?
And while we're here, has anyone had any experience of SPAM CSI
http://www.promailix.com/ ? I received a link from a colleague just
this morning.
It seems to offer a more
Hello Marck,
13. junij 2003, 12:10:30, you wrote:
MDP Old-hands may have to fork out an upgrade fee for v2. Folks who have
MDP bought within (say) the past six months may get the upgrade FOC.
MDP Unless there is a price change for v2...
Of course, this is assuming that v2 will get released :)
Hello Peter,
On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, at 09:51:43 [GMT +0200] (which was 08:51 in my
TimeZone) you wrote:
PF Michael,
PF On 13-06-2003 06:59, you [M] wrote in
PF mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
M --
PF Your test failed.
PF The signature delimiter should be -- (new line, dash, dash, space,
PF new
MA Unfortunately, it is my sad yet considered opinion the choice to do
MA your own filtering is evaporating. My friend told me boastfully about
MA how his Iowa (USA) ISP was Filtering his mail with a bayesian
MA filter. I pointed him to a free bayesian filter he could operate
MA locally, knowing
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Hi David,
@13-Jun-2003, 12:19 David Elliott [DE] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said
DE Check your subject. I think your regex is a bit greedy.
This is probably because of a reported bug in the %SINGLERE macro in
the recent beta versions, rather than a
Hello Marck,
13. junij 2003, 13:59:44, you wrote:
MDP This is probably because of a reported bug in the %SINGLERE macro in
MDP the recent beta versions, rather than a regex...
It's the regex... I've just been too lazy to fix/replace it :)
(I've been putting off fixing most of my templates for
Dont get confused by the Subject!
When I am sending a Automatic Response using Rules, How can I get it
not to quote the original message?
In the Template Editor for the auto response it does not have the
%QUOTES tag, that I can see, so how can i not get it to quote??
Thanks for any help...
snip
##Go Mike!!## ;-).
Thank you Marck--not to be confused with the Mark to which I replied
somewhat pointedly yet politely earlier this morning.
I wish no-one harm and value my opportunities to express opinions as
fodder for balanced assessment in the virtual assembly of public
comment
huge snip
*IMPORTANT* E-MAIL* let's see. Is that an oxymoron? Yes, it most
certainly is in my household and after more than a decade of promoting
it, encouraging people to use it, and trying to take it seriously, I
have finally decided to step back and look at what it is, what isn't,
what it
On Thu 12-Jun-03 5:17pm -0400, Mark wrote:
MainSet: 40a.+,a.+,a.+,a.+,
AltSet:1: 40a.+ , a.+ , a.+ ,a.+ ,
AltSet:2: 40a.+, a.+, a.+, a.+,
AltSet:3: 40a.+,a.+,a.+,a.+,
Mark, wouldn't anything found by AltSet 1, 2 or 3 would also be found
by MainSet? Also, the docs aren't clear which PCRE
Hallo Michael,
On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 05:52:48 +0100GMT (13-6-03, 6:52 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:
MT When I am sending a Automatic Response using Rules, How can I
MT get it not to quote the origional message?
That's easy, you can do that by not using the %quotes, %text or
%headers macros.
Hello Roelof,
On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, at 16:30:02 [GMT +0200] (which was 15:30 in my
TimeZone) you wrote:
RO Hallo Michael,
RO On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 05:52:48 +0100GMT (13-6-03, 6:52 +0200, where I
RO live), you wrote:
MT When I am sending a Automatic Response using Rules, How can I
MT get it not
Your message was automatically moved for review without being read
because HTML formatting was detected as: %OATTACHMENTS.
It is likely the %OATTACHMENTS macro is at fault here, if the
attachment is actually *attached* and not merely named.
Try removing that and see what happens.
If that was
Hello Mike,
On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, at 10:45:41 [GMT -0400] (which was 15:45 in my
TimeZone) you wrote:
Your message was automatically moved for review without being read
because HTML formatting was detected as: %OATTACHMENTS.
MA It is likely the %OATTACHMENTS macro is at fault here, if the
Hello Mike,
On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, at 11:02:46 [GMT -0400] (which was 16:02 in my
TimeZone) you wrote:
MA Return-path: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MA Envelope-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MA Delivery-date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 17:02:55 +0200
MA Received: from [62.80.28.8] (helo=draenor.its-toasted.org)
MA
The reply is using the text area of the HTML. And that is what I need
to stop. Is there any way of specifying the reply template that is used
in the Sorting Office Auto Reply function?
I assume you have navigated to the Actions tab of your filter, and
chosen (Checked) the Auto Reply box found
Hello Michael,
On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, at 16:04:35 [GMT +0100] (which was 16:04 in my
TimeZone) you wrote:
MT yeap..
Ok, Sorted. By creating the template from Scratch in Sorting Office
got it all sorted.
Thanks for your time..
--
Best regards,
Michael
http://.thompsonmike.co.uk/
PGP
Hallo Michael,
On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:36:26 +0100GMT (13-6-03, 16:36 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:
MT %QINCLUDE=SPECIALDATETIME
MT %QINCLUDE=PGPREMOVE
What's in those quick templates? Especially the 'pgpremove' is
suspect. It makes no sense to remove pgp from nothing, so that might
just
Hi Jernej,
On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:10:11 +0200 Jernej Simonèiè wrote:
This is probably because of a reported bug in the %SINGLERE macro in
the recent beta versions, rather than a regex...
It's the regex...
Absolutely sure??? I can't imagine how a regex that formerly took care
of a special
On Friday, June 13, 2003, 17:39:23, Peter Palmreuther wrote:
It's the regex...
Absolutely sure??? I can't imagine how a regex that formerly took care
of a special character following 'Re' suddenly hits _any_ char after
'Re'.
Here's what I've been using (no %SingleRe macro anywhere):
Hello Eric,
Thursday, June 12, 2003, 3:24:15 PM, you wrote:
I need to know how to either copy templates back and forth between
accounts *or* edit the default values so that when I create new
accounts they use the template settings *I* want and not the ones that
come shipped/pre-defined.
Mike,
Thursday, June 12, 2003, 7:16:00 AM, you wrote:
MA Good to be back with you. Though not a complete package, I am
MA having good results catching Spam with TheBat!
You may not be interested in this after spending so much time on your
current system, but a friend of mine recently turned me
Hello Mike,
On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, at 11:02:46 [GMT -0400] (which was 16:02 in my
TimeZone) you wrote:
snip entire originating message header
The practice of publishing my entire message header here, and in the
HTML archives is very much insulting and unappreciated.
Kindly cease this
Hello Mike,
On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, at 12:17:52 [GMT -0400] (which was 17:17 in my
TimeZone) you wrote:
Hello Mike,
On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, at 11:02:46 [GMT -0400] (which was 16:02 in my
TimeZone) you wrote:
MA snip entire originating message header
MA The practice of publishing my entire
Hello Mike,
Friday, June 13, 2003, 11:17:52 AM, you wrote:
The practice of publishing my entire message header here, and in the
HTML archives is very much insulting and unappreciated.
I am trying to help you, and in return, you both insult me and expose
me to even more spam?
It is my
Mark,
Thursday, June 12, 2003, 3:50:17 PM, you wrote:
M I think there are two schools of thought here. I for one prefer to
M deal with spam with my own filters - the absolute last thing I want
M is for some third party tool to decide what mail I get. I want to
M understand EXACTLY how my mail is
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Hi Dave,
@13-Jun-2003, 11:25 -0500 (17:25 UK time) Dave Gorman [DG] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said
The practice of publishing my entire message header here, and in
the HTML archives is very much insulting and unappreciated.
I am trying to help
Hello Mike,
Friday, June 13, 2003, 11:17:52 AM, you wrote:
The practice of publishing my entire message header here, and in the
HTML archives is very much insulting and unappreciated.
I am trying to help you, and in return, you both insult me and expose
me to even more spam?
It is my
snip
The filtering system you presented, if I remember correctly, rejects
all HTML email out of hand. This seems kinda draconian to me. I'll
bet a lot of those rejections are false positives. POPFile actually
reads the HTML and can correctly distinguish spam-HTML from
non-spam-HTML.
To
Hi Jernej,
On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 17:51:34 +0200 Jernej Simonèiè wrote:
[...]
(?i)\A\:?(\s*\[.*\]\s)?(\s*(re|ha|rcpt|fwd| fw|fw|aw)%-
(\[\d*\])?:*)*(.*)
This is the relevant part. As far as I can see this strips 're', 'fwd'
... etc, followed by maybe '[number]' plus potentially ':'s.
So in
Confirmed. :-)))
I'll be the judge of that, thankyouverymuch by watching, and looking at the source.
Regretably I explicitly and emphatically trust no-one in things e-mail
and Internet and to put it mildly, I am absolutely furious over the
recent open post of my home, private and personal
Hello Marck,
On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, at 17:35:08 GMT +0100 (6/13/2003, 11:35 AM -0600
GMT here), you wrote in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
DG It is my understanding that email addresses, even in message
DG bodies, are now concealed in the TBUDL web archives. Can anyone
DG confirm?
MDP Confirmed. :-)))
Mike,
Friday, June 13, 2003, 9:49:12 AM, you wrote:
MA To this author, e-mail is text; HTML belongs on the web; HTML in
MA e-mail is spam.
MA Read my lips: Not a thing draconian about that logic.
Ain't irony great? Anyway, if you're really interested in the topic,
you might want to read:
On Friday, June 13, 2003, 18:05:22, Paddy L wrote:
Having *many* accounts, I use the %INCLUDE macro to manage my templates.
This method was mentioned long ago by, I believe, Nick Andriash.
I just did something similar with my templates, except that I use %QInclude
and Quick Templates...
--
DG,
Thursday, June 12, 2003, 7:34:39 AM, you wrote:
DRS I am going to respectively disagree. The keyword here is
DRS simultaneously. Two apps running a poll to a POP server(s) on
DRS port 110 would tend to confuse the operating system. Same stands
DRS for outgoing port 25.
That's actually not
Hello Mike,
Friday, June 13, 2003, 11:49:12 AM, you wrote:
To this author, e-mail is text; HTML belongs on the web; HTML in
e-mail is spam.
Read my lips: Not a thing draconian about that logic.
Anyway, that's my (limited) experience.
As you say, your experience is limited.
While in
DG It is my understanding that email addresses, even in message
DG bodies, are now concealed in the TBUDL web archives. Can anyone
DG confirm?
Confirmed. :-)))
You are aware, I sure, spiders exist programmed to ignore such
foolishness as META NAME=robots CONTENT=noindex and all other
silly
Hello,
Friday, June 13, 2003, 6:49:12 PM, you wrote:
MA snip
The filtering system you presented, if I remember correctly, rejects
all HTML email out of hand. This seems kinda draconian to me. I'll
bet a lot of those rejections are false positives. POPFile actually
reads the HTML and can
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Hello Mike,
On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, at 12:54:37 GMT -0400 (6/13/2003, 11:54 AM -0600
GMT here), you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
MA I am absolutely furious over the recent open post of my home,
MA private and personal e-mail address on this list,
Hello Mike,
Friday, June 13, 2003, 12:16:49 PM, you wrote:
DG It is my understanding that email addresses, even in message
DG bodies, are now concealed in the TBUDL web archives. Can anyone
DG confirm?
Confirmed. :-)))
And my e-mail address has just been compromised as I discuss spam
On Friday, June 13, 2003 @ 10:16:49 AM [-0700], Mike Apsey wrote:
snip
And my e-mail address has just been compromised as I discuss spam
eradication methods with the TB! list?
Lovely. Just lovely. That's what I get.
Is it any wonder I cast broad and all-encompassing nets? Is it any
wonder
Hi Mike,
On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 12:54:37 -0400 Mike Apsey wrote:
Regretably I explicitly and emphatically trust no-one in things e-mail
So your best bet is to stop posting.
Even if archive conceals addresses in mail bodies (very bad, btw. look
into HTML source at the bottom of the page), every
While in general I agree with your sentiments about HTML email,
I do make exceptions for HTML newsletters, untrained
family/friends, and the like. In my not-so-limited email
experience I would agree that rejecting *all* HTML seems
draconian. But if it works for you, so be it.
Agreed. So be
Hello Peter,
On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, at 19:33:02 GMT +0200 (6/13/2003, 12:33 PM -0600
GMT here), you wrote in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Regretably I explicitly and emphatically trust no-one in things
e-mail
So your best bet is to stop posting.
Agreed.
--
Best regards,
Greg Strong
MA To this author, e-mail is text; HTML belongs on the web; HTML in
MA e-mail is spam.
No, it is not.
Fine. Those who created e-mail, and I was present for that, are
declared the losers, and those who want to send pretty flowers and
silly pink backgrounds with their e-mails (never mind that it
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Hello Mike,
On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, at 12:54:37 GMT -0400 (6/13/2003, 11:54 AM -0600
GMT here), you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
MA I am absolutely furious over the recent open post of my home,
MA private and personal e-mail address on this
Hi DG,
On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:34:39 -0400 DG Raftery Sr. wrote:
Can I safely run multiple email clients simultaneously, on Windows XP Pro?
Yes.
I am going to respectively disagree. The keyword here is simultaneously.
Two apps running a poll to a POP server(s) on port 110 would tend to
Hello,
Friday, June 13, 2003, 7:44:22 PM, you wrote:
MA Fine. Those who created e-mail, and I was present for that, are
MA declared the losers, and those who want to send pretty flowers and
MA silly pink backgrounds with their e-mails (never mind that it gets
MA bloated 10-times necessary
Before you blow a gasket, take a look:
http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg57120.html.
This message in the archive included email addresses in the body.
Why don't you have a look and see if you can tell me what they
were?
I cannot see nor determine them. They were hidden by the
Wow. I've been on this list for well over a year now and for the most
part, the tone has been quite friendly.
sarcasmWelcome to the list Mike!/sarcasm
Please, if we're all causing you so much grief, find another e-mail
client and go bother their forum.
Same way everywhere.
Join us, but
Hello Mike,
On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, at 13:47:09 GMT -0400 (6/13/2003, 12:47 PM -0600
GMT here), you wrote in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
MA Well said, and I fully agree. Yes, the on-line experience for me has
MA much more up than down and that's why I am here.
MA Nice post. Happy to have seeded it. ;-)
Whilst I'm not a moderator of this list, may I remind the majority of you
who are chatting in this thread that this list is about an email program
called The Bat!, and not Spam filtering, the internet and privacy, and
whatnot.
Thank you.
--
Best regards,
neurowerx (http://www.neurowerx.de)
In
So your best bet is to stop posting.
Ah, good! Without a single personal attack, and without a single
defamatory word about TB! This is officially my second unfortunate
invitation to stop posting here. Thanks, so very much.
The view of e-mail with the fuzzy-wuzzy glasses removed is quite
On Friday, June 13, 2003, 00:50:17, Mark wrote:
I want to understand EXACTLY how my mail is triaged and why,
particularly on my critical accounts.
The programs I mentioned don't trash the mail, they mark it. What you do
with it afterwards is left up to you.
I use SpamAssassin on a mail server I
Hello Mike,
Friday, June 13, 2003, 12:32:49 PM, you wrote:
Nor are my uninformed/untrained family/friends sending me
unsolicited commercial email when they send me HTML emails.
Uninformed/untrained family/friends are, or should be, trainable by
a respected and experienced user.
You don't
Hello Peter,
On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, at 19:33:02 GMT +0200 (6/13/2003, 12:33 PM -0600
GMT here), you wrote in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Regretably I explicitly and emphatically trust no-one in things
e-mail
So your best bet is to stop posting.
Agreed.
My, we are collecting a whole list of
On Friday, June 13, 2003, 00:47:19, Joseph N. wrote:
Any opinion about how either measures up to SpamPal?
My opinio is that they'll do a better job, universally. Spammers will
aways find open, still unidentified relays. When I'm not mistaken, SpamPal
only queries RBLs. Don't always trust RBLs!
Hello,
Friday, June 13, 2003, 8:19:37 PM, you wrote:
MA C'Mon folks! Grow up! Have a dialog! Quit with the namby-pamby, blind
MA goody-goody e-mail is the salvation of man stuff already! It is NOT!
[...]
I hate flame-wars just as much you do. But you provoke it with your
style and flower
The era of 28k modems are over. Get on with it! I could not care less
if a message is 1 kb or 10 kb, or God forbid 1 Mb.
If your logic continues, very soon even the present internet
infrastructure will be inadequate. I have a commercial broadband
account and am unafraid of a 200+ Megabyte
Hello,
Friday, June 13, 2003, 8:10:43 PM, you wrote:
nwd Whilst I'm not a moderator of this list, may I remind the majority of you
nwd who are chatting in this thread that this list is about an email program
nwd called The Bat!, and not Spam filtering, the internet and privacy, and
nwd whatnot.
I have stated that while in general I do not like HTML email, but
am willing to make specific exceptions. I have stated that for
that reason, for my purposes I would consider a rejection of
*all* HTML email as draconian. I have stated that classifying all
HTML email as spam does not fit the
Good evening Marck D Pearlstone !
On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 17:35:08 +0100 GMT your local time,
which was 13.06.2003, 18:35 (GMT+0200) where I live, you (Marck Pearlstone)
wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
DG It is my understanding that email addresses, even in message
DG bodies, are now concealed
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Hi Csaba,
@13-Jun-2003, 20:30 +0200 (19:30 UK time) Csaba Kiss [CK] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said
MA C'Mon folks! Grow up! Have a dialog!...
CK I hate flame-wars just as much you do. But you provoke it ...
moderator
Note: This moderator's
Hello Csaba,
Friday, June 13, 2003, 1:30:22 PM, you wrote:
HMTL mail is here and will stay whatever you declare and even
if you were there at the creation of e-mail. Life changes and
evolves. E-mail is changing into html. I am glad you can't do
anything about it.
The fact that it is
Hello Mike,
Friday, June 13, 2003, 1:40:52 PM, you wrote:
Sorry Dave. I view dictionaries, as the late lexicographer David P.
Guralnick said Dictionaries are historical documents, recording
where a language was at the time it went to print (or words to that
effect.
The great Ambrose
Hello Marck,
Friday, June 13, 2003, 1:44:54 PM, you wrote:
DEAD means DEAD.
Sorry, Marck, I sent my last reply before I got as far as your
proclamation. No disrespect intended.
--
Dave
Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information:
Hello,
I have just recieved a spam mail that sneaked thorugh K9. I have never
seen anything like it. It contained a single sentence:
I heard the shower going and saw her clothes laying on the floor , when I peeked in
. I got my courage up an click here to unsubscribe.
When I looked at the
Hello,
CK What kind of encryption is that? Can someone tell me what this is?
I solved it myself. These are only html comments with random letters.
The sentence is scattered all over among the comments.
--
Best regards,
Csaba Kiss
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Good evening Csaba Kiss !
On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 21:35:44 +0200 GMT your local time,
which was 13.06.2003, 21:35 (GMT+0200) where I live, you (Csaba Kiss)
wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I solved it myself. These are only html comments with random letters.
The sentence is scattered all over
Is it possible to create filter rules that scan attachments? My
question arises because of the daily barrage of bounced Klez mailings
(you know the ones that originate from someone else, but supply your
email as the From: )
I figured that, if I put yabbadabbado as my Organization, I could
filter
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Mike Apsey, [MA] wrote:
The era of 28k modems are over. Get on with it! I could not care less
if a message is 1 kb or 10 kb, or God forbid 1 Mb.
MA If your logic continues, very soon even the present internet
MA infrastructure will be inadequate.
Hello,
When I replied to a message on this list, I meant for it to go to the
person, not the list. The reply contained an attachment and was
caught before it was posted. I was sent a message telling what had
happened and it included the statement
Please don't use folder templates that set the
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Hi Jack,
@13-Jun-2003, 21:49 -0500 (03:49 UK time) Jack [J] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said
J Please don't use folder templates that set the To address. Use
J Address book templates unless absolutely vital not to.
That was from me.
J The only thing
Hello,
Friday, June 13, 2003, 8:57:10 PM, you wrote:
MDP Hi Jack,
J Please don't use folder templates that set the To address. Use
J Address book templates unless absolutely vital not to.
MDP That was from me.
J The only thing I changed in any templates was the wording, IIRC.
J So the above
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