OT: What customers want (was: Re: strange feature request)

Hallo Steve, On Mon, 17 Apr 2000 08:00:28 -0700 GMT (17.04.2000, 23:00 +0800 GMT), Steve Lamb wrote: >> Right. But the customer *wants* it as an attachment. In this part of >> the world, the service provider follows the customer's request, not >> the other way round. ;-) SL> Both customer a

Re: strange feature request

Friday, April 14, 2000, 7:38:38 PM, Thomas wrote: > Right. But the customer *wants* it as an attachment. In this part of > the world, the service provider follows the customer's request, not > the other way round. ;-) Both customer and provider follow standards or nothing gets done. That is

DEAD HORSE (was Re: strange feature request)

Hi Thomas, On 15 April 2000 at 11:00:31 GMT +0800 (which was 04:00 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject of "strange feature request": > ... I think Marck is off-line, Attending to visiting family. Also subject to GMT (well, DST) and vast am

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ist does an excellent job of that, however this "strange feature request" is leading nowhere. "One who takes offense where none is intended is a fool." In other words no offense meant to anyone, just tired of hitting the delete key. :-) -- Best regards, Gary

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Hi Steve, On Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:56:30 -0700GMT (15/04/2000, 04:56 +0800GMT), Steve Lamb wrote: SL> It does when TB!, according to the last interview, is heading down the SL> path of excessive bloat. That's correct, and as Paula stated, this was dicussed earlier. The result was that plug-in

Re: strange feature request

Hi Steve, On Fri, 14 Apr 2000 11:33:03 -0700GMT (15/04/2000, 02:33 +0800GMT), Steve Lamb wrote: SL> OK, Thomas, explain how my method doesn't get them the attachment? Clink SL> on the link I provided and what do you get? You'll get the file. Right. But the customer *wants* it as an attach

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>> No, it is not. The one constant of the software world is that >> specialized programs will always function better in their assigned roll >> than the same component of a generalized program. Too many programmers >> forget that and as a result we get bloated mediocre problems which are >>

Re: strange feature request

Haven't you folks debated this topic to death yet - now, before, forever? -- Paula Ford The Bat! 1.41 (reg) Windows 95 4.0 Build 950 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderat

Re: strange feature request

On Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:48:03 -0500, Allie Martin wrote: <..trim..> > Yes, these monolithic apps may not be for everyone, but the market is > certainly there for them and it's not l-stupidos that wish to buy these > apps. These are simply individuals who wish to use a computer with > minimal lear

Re: strange feature request

On Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:56:30 -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: >> I read you, but as I said, I wish not to discuss this any >> further on this list since it really has nothing to do with TB!. I'm >> pretty sure the moderators will not jump in and encourage me to do >> otherwise. :-) A personal rep

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Friday, April 14, 2000, 1:47:11 PM, Allie wrote: > I read you, but as I said, I wish not to discuss this any further > on this list since it really has nothing to do with TB!. I'm pretty sure > the moderators will not jump in and encourage me to do otherwise. :-) A > personal reply would h

Re: strange feature request

On Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:41:18 -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: >> Depends on if you choose to look at only one angle. > What other angle is there? Learn 30 different ways to do the same basic 6 > things, none of which talk to each other. Learn 6 different ways to do 30 > different things, all of wh

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Friday, April 14, 2000, 1:34:47 PM, Allie wrote: > Depends on if you choose to look at only one angle. What other angle is there? Learn 30 different ways to do the same basic 6 things, none of which talk to each other. Learn 6 different ways to do 30 different things, all of which talk to o

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On Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:18:50 -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: <..trim..> > We have discussed this before and you know this is patently false. Depends on if you choose to look at only one angle. :-) Though I'd love to discuss this, it's getting off topic and I'll stop here in the interest of the

Re: strange feature request

Hi there! On 14 Apr 00, at 13:18, Steve Lamb wrote about "Re: strange feature request": > > This ideal setup that you're speaking of imposes an increased > > degree of complexity to the user. He buys an e-mail application and now > > has to worry ab

Re: strange feature request

Friday, April 14, 2000, 12:49:35 PM, Alexander wrote: >> >> http://ftp.dresden-online.com/~perler/files/shot.gif > This link will never work;-) You link to ftp site via http protocol... Fallacy. Any machine can host any service. Do a dig on rpglink.com sometime and see where ftp.rpglink.co

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Friday, April 14, 2000, 12:37:48 PM, Allie wrote: > Remember that your objective is to run a business and provide your customers > goods and/or services. If they can get their goods via a route which doesn't > make them have to learn something (I mean they're already forking over hard > cash), the

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Friday, April 14, 2000, 12:30:10 PM, Allie wrote: > This ideal setup that you're speaking of imposes an increased > degree of complexity to the user. He buys an e-mail application and now > has to worry about getting an editor and now has to worry about getting a > image viewer and now has

Re[2]: strange feature request

hallo Allie! on Friday, April 14, 2000, 9:59:50 PM, you wrote: AM> On Fri, 14 Apr 2000 23:49:35 +0400, Alexander V. Kiselev wrote: >>> >> http://ftp.dresden-online.com/~perler/files/shot.gif >> This link will never work;-) You link to ftp site via http protocol... AM> Actually it did

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hallo Alexander! on Friday, April 14, 2000, 9:49:35 PM, you wrote: AVK> Hi there! AVK> On 14 Apr 00, at 19:26, Patrick Erler wrote AVK> about "Re[2]: strange feature request": >> >> http://ftp.dresden-online.com/~perler/files/shot.gif AVK> This link

Re: strange feature request

On Fri, 14 Apr 2000 23:49:35 +0400, Alexander V. Kiselev wrote: >> >> http://ftp.dresden-online.com/~perler/files/shot.gif > This link will never work;-) You link to ftp site via http protocol... Actually it did work for me. It showed a capture of a poupup window screaming "File not fou

Re: strange feature request

Hi there! On 14 Apr 00, at 11:32, Steve Lamb wrote about "Re: strange feature request": > > it is absolute legitime to expand a program > > No, it is not. The one constant of the software world is that specialized > programs will always function better in the

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Hi there! On 14 Apr 00, at 19:26, Patrick Erler wrote about "Re[2]: strange feature request": > >> http://ftp.dresden-online.com/~perler/files/shot.gif This link will never work;-) You link to ftp site via http protocol... > >> as we see you are not able to s

Re: strange feature request

On Fri, 14 Apr 2000 11:35:02 -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: >> The problem is that the people reading have to be asumed lazy, stupid >> etc etc and if you make it any way complicated, they go elswhere... > Bully for them. If we stuck to standards then they'd have nowhere to go > and they'd have t

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On Fri, 14 Apr 2000 11:32:11 -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > No, it is not. The one constant of the software world is that > specialized programs will always function better in their assigned roll > than the same component of a generalized program. Too many programmers > forget that and as a res

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On Fri, 14 Apr 2000 19:26:24 +0200, Patrick Erler wrote: AM>> The link really should have been: AM>> ftp://ftp.ritlabs.com/pub/the_bat/beta/tb142b17.zip AM>> Don't let the typo detract from the fundamental point I'm AM>> supporting. :) > but isn't this the killer argument for a f

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Friday, April 14, 2000, 11:24:04 AM, tracer wrote: > The problem is that the people reading have to be asumed lazy, stupid > etc etc and if you make it any way complicated, they go elswhere... Bully for them. If we stuck to standards then they'd have nowhere to go and they'd have to, OH MY G

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Friday, April 14, 2000, 11:19:24 AM, Thomas wrote: > However, it is correct that clicking on a link like > ftp://ftp.somewhere.com/file.exe is something my mother could master. I only > don't know whether her mailer (AOL) highlights this like TB... Which is why my link is a fully qualified UR

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Friday, April 14, 2000, 11:15:05 AM, Thomas wrote: > He overstated to make his point. However, I don't know of a single > customer in my non-computer-related business who would agree to your > line of reasoning. If the customer wants an attachment, he gets it. > It's incredible what customers want

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Friday, April 14, 2000, 10:56:42 AM, Patrick wrote: > and another: why do you use the bat? with all these tasks it can manage > which is better left to other clients. an adress book - why doesn't > it access a PIM? Funny, mine only holds email addresses for expansion, nothing more. My /PALM/

Re: strange feature request

Hello Steve Lamb, On Fri, 14 Apr 2000 10:17:54 -0700 GMT your local time, which was Saturday, April 15, 2000, 12:17:54 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Steve Lamb wrote: > Friday, April 14, 2000, 10:05:42 AM, Patrick wrote: >> we still waiting for your offer. you said its better to not attach >> the

Re: strange feature request

Hallo Steve, On Fri, 14 Apr 2000 10:17:54 -0700 GMT (15.04.2000, 01:17 +0800 GMT), Steve Lamb wrote: >> as we see you are not able to send a simple attachement, we decided >> to give the 3.500.000 $ order to you competitor. SL> I don't know of a single business that would do that based on o

Re: strange feature request

Hallo Allie, On Fri, 14 Apr 2000 12:10:35 -0500 GMT (15.04.2000, 01:10 +0800 GMT), Allie Martin wrote: AM> I select my geocities ftp server space link by double-clicking on AM> an icon. The file on the server appear in one window. I then navigate to AM> the desired file in the other wind

Re: strange feature request

Hello Steve Lamb, On Fri, 14 Apr 2000 10:11:29 -0700 GMT your local time, which was Saturday, April 15, 2000, 12:11:29 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Steve Lamb wrote: > Friday, April 14, 2000, 9:59:13 AM, Patrick wrote: >> ok, so lets have a plugin which makes this as simply for /me/ as drag >> '

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hallo Steve! on Friday, April 14, 2000, 7:32:34 PM, you wrote: SL> Friday, April 14, 2000, 10:24:59 AM, Patrick wrote: >> when i send an attachement i'm joe user as everyone else. and as joe user i >> asked for a feature. you wouldn't implement it because you think that your >> way of doing thin

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Friday, April 14, 2000, 10:24:59 AM, Patrick wrote: > when i send an attachement i'm joe user as everyone else. and as joe user i > asked for a feature. you wouldn't implement it because you think that your > way of doing things should be my way too. so do. Incorrect. I don't add features th

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hallo Allie! on Friday, April 14, 2000, 7:18:00 PM, you wrote: AM> On Fri, 14 Apr 2000 19:05:42 +0200, Patrick Erler wrote: >> dear mister erler! >> we still waiting for your offer. you said its better to not attach >> them to the msg but we should click on the words above. all we got is >> th

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hallo Steve! on Friday, April 14, 2000, 7:11:29 PM, you wrote: SL> Friday, April 14, 2000, 9:59:13 AM, Patrick wrote: >> ok, so lets have a plugin which makes this as simply for /me/ as drag >> 'n droping the attachement on to the message, ok? SL> Why? If you're the one creating the attach

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Friday, April 14, 2000, 10:05:42 AM, Patrick wrote: > we still waiting for your offer. you said its better to not attach > them to the msg but we should click on the words above. all we got is > this: > http://ftp.dresden-online.com/~perler/files/shot.gif Then don't screw up the URL. Click

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On Fri, 14 Apr 2000 19:05:42 +0200, Patrick Erler wrote: > dear mister erler! > we still waiting for your offer. you said its better to not attach > them to the msg but we should click on the words above. all we got is > this: > http://ftp.dresden-online.com/~perler/files/shot.gif > as we see

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Friday, April 14, 2000, 9:59:13 AM, Patrick wrote: > ok, so lets have a plugin which makes this as simply for /me/ as drag > 'n droping the attachement on to the message, ok? Why? If you're the one creating the attachment it is a simple matter of placing it somewhere accessible and making th

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On Fri, 14 Apr 2000 18:59:13 +0200, Patrick Erler wrote: SL>> Click here: > :) > ok, so lets have a plugin which makes this as simply for /me/ as drag > 'n droping the attachement on to the message, ok? There are many ftp programs out there

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hallo Allie! on Friday, April 14, 2000, 6:49:33 PM, you wrote: AM> On Fri, 14 Apr 2000 18:38:07 +0200, Patrick Erler wrote: SL>>> FTP. Better. >> ok. so please explain a 40 year old woman in simple words, how to >> fetch a file from a ftp-server. standard windows-nt configuration >> please

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hallo Steve! on Friday, April 14, 2000, 6:48:28 PM, you wrote: SL> Friday, April 14, 2000, 9:38:07 AM, Patrick wrote: >> ok. so please explain a 40 year old woman in simple words, how to >> fetch a file from a ftp-server. standard windows-nt configuration >> please. SL> Sure. SL> Click her

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On Fri, 14 Apr 2000 18:38:07 +0200, Patrick Erler wrote: SL>> FTP. Better. > ok. so please explain a 40 year old woman in simple words, how to > fetch a file from a ftp-server. standard windows-nt configuration > please. ftp://ftp.ritlabs.com/pub/the_bat/beta/TB142b17.zip D

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Friday, April 14, 2000, 9:38:07 AM, Patrick wrote: > ok. so please explain a 40 year old woman in simple words, how to > fetch a file from a ftp-server. standard windows-nt configuration > please. Sure. Click here: That simple enough? --

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hallo Steve! on Friday, April 14, 2000, 6:27:06 PM, you wrote: SL> Friday, April 14, 2000, 9:12:32 AM, Patrick wrote: >> gif = png; >> better? SL> FTP. Better. ok. so please explain a 40 year old woman in simple words, how to fetch a file from a ftp-server. standard windows-nt configurati

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Friday, April 14, 2000, 9:12:32 AM, Patrick wrote: > gif = png; > better? FTP. Better. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+-

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hallo Steve! on Friday, April 14, 2000, 5:50:10 PM, you wrote: SL> Friday, April 14, 2000, 8:21:13 AM, Patrick wrote: >> more and more i send scanned attachements via email, how about a small >> scan-plugin, nothing complicated, twain-interface, greyscale, >> autmoatic gif-compression... >> opi

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Friday, April 14, 2000, 8:21:13 AM, Patrick wrote: > more and more i send scanned attachements via email, how about a small > scan-plugin, nothing complicated, twain-interface, greyscale, > autmoatic gif-compression... > opinions? Stop sending them in a format which is unsuited to the task.

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Hello all, Friday, April 14, 2000, Patrick Erler wrote: > hallo TBUDL! > more and more i send scanned attachements via email, how about a small > scan-plugin, nothing complicated, twain-interface, greyscale, > autmoatic gif-compression... > opinions? wait for v2.x and script support :-) --

strange feature request

hallo TBUDL! more and more i send scanned attachements via email, how about a small scan-plugin, nothing complicated, twain-interface, greyscale, autmoatic gif-compression... opinions? PAT -- vcard/LDAP/PGP: http://dresden-online.com/~perler/identity.html PGP fingerprint: DAC6 2FDA 1ED7 AD55