UT prof unearths clues about climate in caves
Geology professor and his students get muddy while collecting calcite in
Georgetown cave.
By Asher Price
AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF
Tuesday, July 08, 2008
If a stalactite hanging from a cave ceiling looks to the layman like an icicle,
it's not a
Looking for Photo InfoWe (archeologists familiar with the area) all agree
the photo is looking upstream from Moorhead Cave (41VV55).
See the following for an exterior view of the cave entrance:
http://www.lonestarlands.com/pecos-bridge.html
Also the second photo on this page:
I agree with all of you learned minds, John.
That would be the cave and bridge.
Ah, nothing like a bit of mystery and intrigue to enliven an otherwise
languid summer day!
Now, back to the drudgery.
Mark
From: John Greer
I looked at the TSS Cave map and I agree, it is Moorhead Cave that I was in
when I shot the photo.
Mike
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From: John Greer [mailto:jgr...@greerservices.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 4:05 AM
To: mark.al...@l-3com.com; Texas Cavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Looking
Iran is in the news again.
They seem to be reacting to recent military events that Israel
was participating in.
I know almost nothing about the Iran / Israel relations or why
things are unpleasant between the 2 countries.
I have never understood why the U.S. has such a great interest
in Israel
It seems that Washington has its Biblical fundamental ties to Isreal.
Washington also has its financial/oil ass-kissing ties to the Saudis.
Saudi Arabia is a SUNNI muslim country - which are apparently moderate.
Many other of the SHIITE muslim countries are sworn enemies of the US.
That's it in a
We got the following information in our district e-mail this morning. You just
might want to keep an eye out on your incoming e-mail.
We have received reports of a computer virus threat called Storm Worm. This
virus is spread via unsolicited email messages that contain a link to a
malicious
Howdy Everyone,
I really didn't mean to stir up the septic tank. I just wanted to go to
a concert in the cave. Then I was told I couldn't, and was upset. Then I
heard some of the music and wasn't upset anymore. Getting into the frame
of mind to listen to the fare offered is illegal. I
Gee Corky,
You ought to know by now that any missive is fair game for dissection
regardless of the intent.
Louise Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:07:37 -0500 From:
caveman2...@embarqmail.com To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject:
[Texascavers] Religion, Spiritualism and Cave Concerts Howdy
Just trying to stop the bleeding, but I seem to be out of styptic powder.
Corky
Louise Power wrote:
Gee Corky,
You ought to know by now that any missive is fair game for dissection
regardless of the intent.
Louise
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:07:37 -0500
From: caveman2...@embarqmail.com
Hello Cavers,
I'm looking for an older pickup truck, like Toyota, Nissan, Datsun, etc.
Please contact me off list.
Thanks, Terry
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What do shamanic rituals, holographic medicine, holistic healing, and
spiritualism all have in common besides old hippie chix? They are all entirely
illusory forms of religion!
Sleaze
Explain the difference between 'illusory' forms of religion and
religion? George Carlin had a pretty good diatribe on the subject. ;-)
Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man
living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every
day. And the invisible
That's just *one* religion. What about the hundreds of other ones?
-Original Message-
From: George-Paul Richmann [mailto:gprichm...@gmail.com]
Explain the difference between 'illusory' forms of religion and
religion? George Carlin had a pretty good diatribe on the subject. ;-)
Religion
As we used to say in East Texas, Same difference. Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008
08:54:52 -0700 From: stefan.crea...@arm.com To: gprichm...@gmail.com;
bmorgan...@aol.com CC: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers]
Hippie chix, healing That's just *one* religion. What about the hundreds
Is this OT?
Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com wrote:
As we used to say in East Texas, Same difference. Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008
08:54:52 -0700 From: stefan.crea...@arm.com To: gprichm...@gmail.com;
bmorgan...@aol.com CC: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE:
[Texascavers]
See previous reply. Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 12:53:02 -0400 From:
speleoste...@tx.rr.com To: power_lou...@hotmail.com Subject: RE:
[Texascavers] Hippie chix, healing CC: texascavers@texascavers.com;
gprichm...@gmail.com; bmorgan...@aol.com; stefan.crea...@arm.com Is this
OT? Louise Power
Religion/ *re·li·gion, *noun
A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious
devotion.
-Invisible man who makes things
-Things happening by themselves over an un-monitorable period of time in
contradiction to accepted laws of physics
Either one fits the bill I suppose. And
I think any worthwhile form of religion should involve caves,
but I am not clear on B Morgan's distinction between illusory forms
of religion and the non-illusory forms. If the forms are written
down in a book and a large church built, does this make the forms
less illusory? Please explain.
Apparently, Illusory are forms he does NOT agree with or practice. Nonillusory
must be what he agrees with...
Either way...it seems like a very unconscious worldview when one must diss
anothers religions or practices to appease the desire of thier ego to be
noticed.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul
The Hyperdictionary defines illusory as:
Deceiving, or tending of deceive; fallacious; illusive; as,illusory promises or
hopes.
If the religion fits... Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:00:03 -0700 From:
jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net To: whruss...@gmail.com CC:
texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re:
Is this OT?
Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com wrote:
The Hyperdictionary defines illusory as:
Deceiving, or tending of deceive; fallacious; illusive; as,illusory promises
or hopes.
If the religion fits... Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:00:03 -0700 From:
jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net
Yes, yes it is.
speleoste...@tx.rr.com wrote:
Is this OT?
Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com wrote:
The Hyperdictionary defines illusory as:
Deceiving, or tending of deceive; fallacious; illusive; as,illusory promises or hopes.
If the religion fits... Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008
You're probably right, but I just replied to the list from which it came.
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 12:52:36 -0400 From: speleoste...@tx.rr.com To:
power_lou...@hotmail.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Religion CC:
texascavers@texascavers.com; jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net; whruss...@gmail.com
Is this
Keith,
Please give me a call at the number below or shoot me an email.
Thanks,
GP
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(513) 490-3100
gprichm...@gmail.com
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This is a gentle reminder that the discussion of religion on this list-
serve has now become off-topic...
Diana
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Diana R. Tomchick
Associate Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry
Why post OT events on the list instead of the OT-list, then?
hm?
-WaV
Keep the earth clean! It's not like it's Uranus!
On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 1:12 PM, Diana Tomchick
diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu wrote:
This is a gentle reminder that the discussion of religion on this
list-serve has
At 10:46 AM 7/10/2008, William H. Russell wrote:
I think any worthwhile form of religion should involve
caves, but I am not clear on B Morgan's distinction between
illusory forms of religion and the non-illusory forms. If the
forms are written down in a book and a large church built,
At 11:37 AM 7/10/2008, Louise Power wrote:
As we used to say in East Texas, Same difference.
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 08:54:52 -0700
From: stefan.crea...@arm.com
That's just *one* religion. What about the hundreds of other ones?
Yeah, Louise, you got it: Pretty much all the same, including
Don't be getting overly sensitive on us now, Corky. This email stuff
is actually rather trivial business. A little off-topic sometimes is
good to get everyone awakened again. The few hurt feelings are
usually only in the eye of the overly sensitive beholder--everyone
else has better sense.
Wikipedia has become a valueable source for cave information.
Does your favorite cave have its own Wiki-pedia listing?
For example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_and_Clark_Caverns
David Locklear
armchair caver in Fort Bend County
Ok, just the other day I defended this list serve because it had been so
pleasant of a place where topics of caving, and things caving related took
place. I defended it to an upcoming leader of a Texas grotto who told me about
the horror stories he has heard regarding the religious debates,
It is SO G.D. easy to reply to it on the OT list.
I apologize for not having done so. I cannot imagine why others have not
either.
Its easy enough I guess to just REPLY - after all - someone ELSE started
it
-WaV
On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 2:15 PM, tra...@oztotl.com wrote:
Ok, just the other
Thanks Travis. I know it's always a difficult decision how to respond to
something that might have offended you. Sometimes I feel responsible to
defend my beliefs, and sometimes to just dispell some ignorance or
misunderstandings. Sometimes I interpret a joke incorrectly and feel
compelled to
Travis,
If you look at the preceding messages, you'll find that all have acknowledged
that this belonged on the OT board, but since it started off with a message
about some singalong in a cave, I guess people just didn't look at the
message board to which they were replying. But as Brian
Hey Brian,
Funny you should ask. Yesterday on this network Mark Minton and Allan Cobb were
discussing Tarbutton's Showerbath Cave which runs under the Blanco River in
Hays County. I had never heard of it but it sounds like a cave that I would
like to visit.
I am sure that it must be on
tra...@oztotl.com wrote:
Anyways, I will bet that many reading this have been enjoying the
caving related bliss of this (caving related) list serve, and I ask
that we don't go back down this path, yet again..
TS
Where is Locklear and his LED lights when you REALLY need him?
--
Stephen
If you can't say it to someone's face, say it around a campfire or
shout it out loud in a crowded airport terminal, don't post it here.
Don Arburn
On Jul 10, 2008, at 3:39 PM, Stephen Fleming casto...@gmail.com wrote:
tra...@oztotl.com wrote:
Anyways, I will bet that many reading this have
Hi Diana--
I loved the 1959 version, especially when PAT Boone broke off a stalactite
and was karmically punished by having the passage start to flood.
-Frank Binney
P.S.--A Special Effects director friend of mine sent me the following about
the new version:
BTW, my good friend Eric Brevig just
Great story, Steele.
I just looked at the trailer for the movie (at journeymovie.com),
which it turns out I had seen sometime before. Not much resemblance to
the book, although there are dinosaurs, an underground sea, and lava.
A man and two children (well, teenagers). -- Mixon
From Ediger. Even though he says it happened in the '70's, I wouldn't be
surprised if this wasn't similar to what they say about the '60's: If you can
remember it, you weren't there. ;-)
Mark Minton
From: Gill Ediger
Sent: Thu 7/10/2008 10:15 PM
To: Minton, Mark
Subject: Re:
The NSS Convention is just a month away.
There appears to be a lot of fun to be had in the vicinity of the
convention.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ichetucknee_Springs_State_Park
I still don't know if I can go. My original plans were to take 10
days and travel the area. I also
David Locklear said:
The convention should give you a semi-impression of what is supposed to happen
in Kerrville in just 12 months. Except the event in Kerrville is going to
be twice as big. Right?
I suspect the 2009 NSS/ICS will be considerably more than twice as big as
I'm curious David, why would you want a Sten if you're not gonna take it
underground?
Nico
On 7/10/08, Minton, Mark mmin...@nmhu.edu wrote:
David Locklear said:
The convention should give you a semi-impression of what is supposed to
happen in Kerrville in just 12 months. Except
I apologize, when I used the phrase “illusory forms of religion” I was
being redundant. I'll tell you what is illusory, the idea that certain topics
are
not going to be discussed when a diverse group of presumably intelligent
people gather around the computerized campfire.
I made a
Here are a few more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blanchard_Springs_Caverns
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlsbad_Caverns
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoke_Hole_Caverns
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercer_Caverns
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grutas_de_Juxtlahuaca
Speaking (so to speak) of Journey to the Center of the Earth, I see
advertised in the newpaper a 3-D movie with that title, opening
nationwide. Is that sure to be a turkey, or what? -- Mixon
--
You may reply to the address this message
came from,
Mixon, you old curmudgeon! What's wrong with a modern, 3-D version of
a classic underground movie, especially since it stars Brendan
Fraser! He's way more entertaining than Paul Boone, and the new
version can't be more kitschy than the 1959 clunker.
Diana
On Jul 10, 2008, at 6:12 PM,
That 1959 classic was no clunker. Its still a good movie to watch. It
definitely has entertainment value.
Mark G
- Original Message
From: Diana Tomchick diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
To: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com
Cc: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent:
At 06:12 PM 7/10/2008, Mixon Bill wrote:
Speaking (so to speak) of Journey to the Center of the Earth, I see
advertised in the newpaper a 3-D movie with that title, opening
nationwide. Is that sure to be a turkey, or what?
Maybe it'd be better for um if they delayed the opening of it 'til
At 02:22 PM 7/10/2008, bmorgan...@aol.com wrote:
Now back to music in caves. The best I've ever
heard was the time I went to Fantastic pit in
Ellisonâs cave, 586 feet of fabulous
acoustics! I was with group of people from TAG
that I didn't know. Imagine my surprise when
several revealed
Most may not think that this is funny but I can see a large group of religious
souls gathered in a large cave chamber singing hymns when the vibrations cause
the entire ceiling to collapse. Could this have been divine intervention to
send them all on their heavenly journey?
Fritz
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Gill,
The musical bill-of-fare was Jethro Tull's Journey to the Center of the Earth
I was a big Jethro Tull fan, but I've never heard of that one. Neither has
http://remus.rutgers.edu/JethroTull/songs.html and
http://remus.rutgers.edu/JethroTull/disco.html. Maybe it was someone else?
When I took the tour of St Michael's Cave in Gibraltar, they were playing
classical music in the cave. It was a nice touch to a very pretty cave. The
cave also has a large auditorium and stage where they have concerts. It would
be fun to see a concert there.
Allan
Here's a story for you all.
A few days after Christmas 1993 I got a phone call from a man who said he was a
producer with Disney films. I thought some caving friend of mine was putting me
on, like I've done a time or two (like the time Rick Bridges was on TV talking
about Lechuguilla, so I
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