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Date: Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 8:57 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] ICS - Cultural and Family trip leaders needed!
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Do you know someone attending ICS who wants to help
Check out the author James Rollins. I have read several of his
books. He mentions in his bio that he is a spelunker.
www.jamesrollins.com
This webpage is a bit of a pain to look at.
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Visit our website: http://texascavers.co
Do you know someone attending ICS who wants to help but might not
want to lead a caving trip? Trip leaders are still needed for the
Cultural and Family Trips! These are day trips (on days other than
Wednesday) to various tourist locations which attendees might want to
take their family. Bel
Some trivia about former University of Texas film prof, Rod Whitaker, and
his Pyrennes caving-based thriller Shibumi:
While at the University of Texas Rod directed a UT RTF department film
called Stasis, with acting by my first RTF film prof Bill Scott and
co-writing by Austin filmmaker Richard K
This is an experiment:
On Twitter is a site called:
:
KerrCaveNews
The username is KerrCaveNews
The password is Kerrville.
Any caver can sign on to this and post a tweet.
Examples would be:
Looking for ride to Kerrville
Lost blue wallet near campground
Need wetsuit size me
Since we have had movie reports, how about a book report ...
Fiction: "Shibumi" by Trevanian, pseudonym for Rodney Whitaker
This book contains a great cave adventure/chase sequence. Add
this read to your summer 'round toit.
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V
Wayne, I have also seen these bat houses while riding my bicycle on the walking
trail and wondered by whom and why they were erected there. They are quite
large but I didn't inspect them closely and will make it a point to do so.
Fritz
From: Wayne Hutchinson [mai
If you are in the Houston area there are 2 bat houses in Terry Hershey Park
north of Memorial Drive. These are large free standing houses about 6 feet
square (wild guess) mounted on poles. I have not been able to get any info on
who built them but both are occupied. The design looks to be well t
Here are a few favorites... the last three about cave diving
Beyond the Deep: The Deadly Descent Into the World's Most Treacherous Cave
by William Stone, Barbara am Ende, & Monte Paulsen
Caverns Measureless to Man by Sheck Exley
The Cave Divers by Robert Forrest Burgess
The Taming of the Slough
Please forward this to any and all list-serves you feel necessary!
Dear underground adventurers,
As many of you have heard, there have been a lot of calls for volunteers
during the ICS. Yes, this is another. But this time you will sign up
to to see pretty waterfalls, springs and visit multip
Brian,
>Are there any recommended vendors or build-yourself plans for bat boxes
>similar to the successful design mentioned by Marylou?
BCI would probably be your best bet for more info.
Mark
Brian Riordan asked: Are there any recommended vendors or
build-yourself plans for bat boxes similar to the successful design
mentioned by Marylou?
Sorry I haven't had time to weigh in yet on the bat house questions.
CaveTex has been very busy lately! All those questions and more are
answered o
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Fofo,
Any physicists out there please correct me, but I think the only
measurable effect of the Coriolis force on a caver would be the same
effect it has on a pendulum: If a caver--say one who has fallen asleep
on-rope from reading too much Texascavers and died from harness
compression sy
Are there any recommended vendors or build-yourself plans for bat
boxes similar to the successful design mentioned by Marylou? I've
looked at several bat box designs, and none of them seemed at all
comparable to typical natural bat roosts. None of them seemed able to
accomodate any more than 20 i
Here is a reply I got about bat houses.
Mark Minton
From: marylou_schn...@or.blm.gov
Sent: Wed 6/10/2009 8:00 PM
To: mmin...@nmhu.edu
Cc: louise_po...@blm.gov
Subject: Bat boxes definitely work
M Minton,
Someone forwarded to me your email that asked if bat boxes work. When
properly pla
Allan Cobb said:
>I was up at the Birthday Passage in Palmito once when someone lit a magnesium
>flare in the Hall of Giants. Spectacular does not even begin to describe it.
>It lit up the entire cave!
That may well have been me. :-) I used to take homemade flares to light
up ve
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Well, maybe it'll start spinning backwards, and then, if movies have
taught me something, time would move back and we can do important things
like avoiding sending those text messages after a long night partying
that ended up being not such a good idea the following day...
- Fofo
Geary S
Hey, DJ, good to hear you...
DJ Walker wrote, on 11/6/09 7:06:
The conditions would need to be defined more. Blanket statements like
this always concern me. Tell me more about what you intend to do with it.
OK, well, vertical caving is a very specialized activity. Interested
persons should _
The Association for Mexican Cave Studies sells Yochib. There is some
limited info on our Web site at http://www.amcs-pubs.org/other/yochib.html
. We and no doubt several other book vendors will have them at the ICS/
NSS in July.
Bill Steele's new book on Huautla will also be available at the
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texascavers Digest 11 Jun 2009 15:57:27 - Issue 777
Topics (messages 10955 through 10973):
Re: Figure-8 not proper for caving?
10955 by: Geary Schindel
10958 by: Linda Palit
10962 by: Geary Schindel
10967 by: Brian Riordan
10968 by: Geary Schindel
Hi, Brian.
Actually, you can lock a normal, non-eared figure 8 too. I think I found
the method in a French book, but I'm not positive on this, but it is
something that pretty much every time I do it someone says "Whoa, you
can lock a figure of 8?"
There are several reasons why I would prefer
Hey, Lyndon.
Yes! It's actually pretty interesting. You can cut pieces out of
climbing and caving ropes (old and retired, if not the owner wouldn't be
too happy) and dissect them.
In caving (well, vertical caving, as opposed to climbing up walls to
reach leads) we use static ropes. These hav
... and don't forget about declination and right ascension ..
> So there should be no twist issues at the equator? Or do you rig it
> to have a forward or front exit at that latitude?... So many nuances
> to this issue!
>
> :)
>
> On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Geary
> Schindel wrote:
> > Tha
... and as agreed, I will pass it on to the next fellow once I am done ;)
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I'm much more concerned with the fact that if everyone countered the Coriolis
effect at the same time, would the planet stop spinning. Therefore, would all
the cavers migrate to the dark side of the planet.
Geary
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From: Brian Riordan [mailto:riordan.br...@gmail.com]
So there should be no twist issues at the equator? Or do you rig it
to have a forward or front exit at that latitude?... So many nuances
to this issue!
:)
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Geary
Schindel wrote:
> That's correct,
>
> To counteract the spin, some folks have found that if you rig
>"The Cave" producers hired this company called "Karst Productions" out of
>Florida for their underwater cave shooting. They look and sound like pros
>who know what they are doing. But I betcha some Hollywood exec
>overruled a lot of their recommendations as to how real cavers/d
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Ok, so flares seem like they are out. What about those propane/butane
lanterns (similar to those ones companies like Coleman produce with
those synthetic socks)? Other than obviously depleting oxygen at a
higher rate, are there any other emission concerns I should have?
-B
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009
I know there are several books out there by cavers that would make
excellent movies, one of my favorites is Yochib: The River Cave
http://www.amazon.com/Yochib-River-William-C-Steele/dp/093974810X/
This was written by our very own Bill Steele and is a very good read,
I couldn't put it down.
This b
That's correct,
To counteract the spin, some folks have found that if you rig the figure
8 for a left exit from the device in the northern hemisphere, the twist
imparted in the rope is neutralized by the Coriolis effect and you won't
spin when ascending the rope. :) LOL
Geary
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Not only at the end.. all through the movie. SLUMDOG MILLIONAIRE was not typical. Try LAGAAN. A movie about a cricket match in the British Raj. Think like a South Asian OKLAHOMA with song & dance numbers about waiting for the monsoon to break the drought. (Among other things).
Good fillum, by g
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If you go back and re-read the original post by David, he was talking
specifically about the mini-figure 8s, sometimes used by rock climbers as belay
devices and emergency rappel devices. All the discussion so far has focused on
standard 8s or rescue 8s (8s with ears). Geary outlined the pos a
Figure 8's twist the rope. That is bearable for a 20 or 30 foot rope, but I
ask people not to use figure 8's on my rope if the drop is longer. It just
creates hassles in coiling and using the rope that seem unnecessary to me.
I do have several, and they have uses, but not on long drops and seldom
The AMCS Activities Newsletter 28, for 2005, had some stuff in the
"Mexico News" section about cave-divers' assisting in the making of
The Cave. (If you don't have that magazine and have read that, shame
on you.) I'm pasting it in below. I've also heard amusing stories from
one of the diver
The Texas Cave Conservancy Summer Event will be held July 17, 18, & 19 in
and around the TCC Headquarters in Cedar Park. We have invited NSS members
and the world's cavers to stop by on the way to Kerrville. We will have
caving, camping, tours and a Saturday night party with a Mexican "Day of the
Couple of comments on the Figure 8.
They are suitable for caving as long as you are aware of and willing to
put up with the limitations, much as any rappel device.
Pros
They have no moving parts and can't be easily rigged
incorrectly.
They are relatively cheap in comparison to oth
texascavers Digest 11 Jun 2009 14:07:14 - Issue 776
Topics (messages 10933 through 10954):
Re: Best Use of 'These Awful Movies
10933 by: Brian Riordan
10934 by: kego3.sbcglobal.net
10938 by: Louise Power
10946 by: Lyndon Tiu
flares in caves: just say NO
The conditions would need to be defined more. Blanket statements like
this always concern me. Tell me more about what you intend to do with
it.
So, to minimally define some conditions and my respective answer/
opinion:
Are they good for vertical drops over a 100 feet?
I would be looking fo
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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 13:29:33 +
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Figure-8 not proper for caving?
Three reasons I can readily think of: gritty caving ropes wear them
out fairly fast, whatever
Why would this be improper specifically for vertical caving? The
figure 8 will twist any rope. The only reason I can think of that any
caver would think it "improper" is because you can't lock it off. But
you can lock off a rescue figure 8... You also lock off Petzl's
"Pirana", which is very si
On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 06:24:03 -0700 gonza...@msu.edu wrote:
> The problem with the figure 8 descender is that it twists the rope.
> Since caving rope is a bunch of parallel fibers encased in a sheath,
I am not that familiar with vertical gear. So I have a stupid question:
Are you saying caving r
Hey, Lyndon.
It sounds like he is talking about the descender, not the knot.
The problem with the figure 8 descender is that it twists the rope.
Since caving rope is a bunch of parallel fibers encased in a sheath,
going through the figure 8 will impart a twist on these and in the end
(after r
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You
I tweet, but not too often. I didn't really know what it was until I
started my new job. I don't really know what to say most of the time and
why would anyone care what I had for lunch? :-) I use Facebook quite a
lot.
Sheryl
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From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com
On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 11:04:44 -0500 dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote:
> Everybody else appeared to use a rock-climbers tiny Figure-8.( I
> think most caver's would agree that this
> type of Figure-8 is not proper vertical equipment for caving. )
Can someone on this list knowledgeable with vertical
On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 13:56:57 -0500 riordan.br...@gmail.com wrote:
> So I can enjoy the movies more, can
> someone with an impressive caving title contact Hollywood and offer
> themselves as a caving consultant?
>
"The Cave" producers hired this company called "Karst Productions" out of
Florida fo
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