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[Texascavers] PBSS Meeting for June 2011

2011-06-13 Thread J. LaRue Thomas
You are all invited to join us for the June meeting of the Permian Basin Speleological Society! We are meeting tomorrow, Tuesday (June 14th) at 7:00 p.m. at Murray's Delicatessen in Midland, Texas. We have reports on our 5 Mouth dig, and our Abyss trip, and maybe some Congress of Grottos discu

[PBSS] Expired PBSS memberships

2011-06-13 Thread Bill Bentley
Greetings, The following persons need to pay their PBSS dues... Carroll, Arlon Dizon, Chris Fincher, J.D. Franks, Steve Franks, Brenda Gashette, Dustin Gray, Mike Hales, Lori A. Hancock, Jon Hayes, Donna Hunnicutt, Sam

texascavers Digest 13 Jun 2011 20:50:58 -0000 Issue 1332

2011-06-13 Thread texascavers-digest-help
texascavers Digest 13 Jun 2011 20:50:58 - Issue 1332 Topics (messages 18022 through 18033): Re: tourist cars in Mexico 18022 by: Mark Minton Re: Cavers' Message to Congress Concerning Cave Closures 18023 by: R D Milhollin Headlamp question 18024 by: Mallory Mayeux

[Texascavers] Headlamp question

2011-06-13 Thread Mallory Mayeux
Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory

Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question

2011-06-13 Thread Don Arburn
Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux wrote: > Hello Cavers! > > I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some > opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the > money, is there something else you would r

Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question

2011-06-13 Thread Allan B. Cobb
Autolite Carbide Lamp! -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: Mallory Mayeux Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux wrote: Hello Caver

Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question

2011-06-13 Thread Tim Stich
I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine. But for caving I would want a much tougher light. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb wrote: > Autolite Carbide Lamp! > > -Origin

Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question

2011-06-13 Thread Allan B. Cobb
I am really fond of my Sten light. It is not cheap but it is dependable, robust, and fairly water resistant. In answer to Malory’s original question, I used to use a Duo and it worked well for me. I highly recommend the LED version. For casual caving, it will work just fine. Allan From: Tim

Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question

2011-06-13 Thread Tim Stich
You could always search around the "Lost Petzl Cave System" for Melanie Alspaugh's lost Duo. It's been there for a few years, so it might need new O-rings. ;-) On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Allan B. Cobb wrote: > I am really fond of my Sten light. It is not cheap but it is > dependable, r

Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question

2011-06-13 Thread Herman Miller
I started caving with a Petzl Duo 8 and a Duo 14 in that order. The lights held up fine but I would not get one with a remote battery pack " http://www.petzl.com/us/outdoor/duo-series-0/duobelt-led-5 ", when I had just started caving having that extra length of cord was a pain and led to the event

Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question

2011-06-13 Thread caverarch
I've always had good results with my old incandescent version of the Duo, but that probably isn't for sale anymore. Roger -Original Message- From: Allan B. Cobb To: Tim Stich Cc: Don Arburn ; Mallory Mayeux ; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Sent: Mon, Jun 13, 2011 12:45 pm Subject: Re:

Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question

2011-06-13 Thread Josh Rubinstein
Allan, I like my Sten Light too. It is not NOT a good waterproof light. The battery contains circuitry. The plug connection between the battery and the light is a portal for water. Not a good combination. The risk can be lessen by coating the connection with dielectric grease. The light I use

RE: [Texascavers] Headlamp question

2011-06-13 Thread Stefan Creaser
I second the durability of FX-2's; I've had mine for more than 15yrs and it's still going strong. It's outlasted numerous helmet mounted lights, though it is more robustly made (for caving). Looks like you can still get old ones: http://www.thecavingandclimbingshop.com/epages/BT3421.sf/en_GB/?O

RE: [Texascavers] Headlamp question

2011-06-13 Thread Mark Minton
Whatever kind of light you get, you'll definitely want to go with LEDs. Incandescent just can't compete when it comes to brightness and battery life. And for batteries, you can't beat lithium ion. They are small, lightweight, long-lasting, very reliable and much cheaper in the long r

[Texascavers] CACANP

2011-06-13 Thread Karen Perry
For those interested, we had to evacuate Carlsbad Caverns National Park due to fire incroaching on the vistor center. The rangers where great, had everyone out of the cave in 1 hour. The fire seems to have started along the scenic loop road and is now in Rattlesnake & Lechuguilla Canyons and may

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[Texascavers] PBSS Meeting for June 2011

2011-06-13 Thread J. LaRue Thomas
You are all invited to join us for the June meeting of the Permian Basin Speleological Society! We are meeting tomorrow, Tuesday (June 14th) at 7:00 p.m. at Murray's Delicatessen in Midland, Texas. We have reports on our 5 Mouth dig, and our Abyss trip, and maybe some Congress of Grottos discu

[PBSS] Expired PBSS memberships

2011-06-13 Thread Bill Bentley
Greetings, The following persons need to pay their PBSS dues... Carroll, Arlon Dizon, Chris Fincher, J.D. Franks, Steve Franks, Brenda Gashette, Dustin Gray, Mike Hales, Lori A. Hancock, Jon Hayes, Donna Hunnicutt, Sam

texascavers Digest 13 Jun 2011 20:50:58 -0000 Issue 1332

2011-06-13 Thread texascavers-digest-help
texascavers Digest 13 Jun 2011 20:50:58 - Issue 1332 Topics (messages 18022 through 18033): Re: tourist cars in Mexico 18022 by: Mark Minton Re: Cavers' Message to Congress Concerning Cave Closures 18023 by: R D Milhollin Headlamp question 18024 by: Mallory Mayeux

[Texascavers] Headlamp question

2011-06-13 Thread Mallory Mayeux
Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory

Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question

2011-06-13 Thread Don Arburn
Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux wrote: > Hello Cavers! > > I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some > opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the > money, is there something else you would r

Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question

2011-06-13 Thread Allan B. Cobb
Autolite Carbide Lamp! -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: Mallory Mayeux Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux wrote: Hello Caver

Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question

2011-06-13 Thread Tim Stich
I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine. But for caving I would want a much tougher light. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb wrote: > Autolite Carbide Lamp! > > -Origin

Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question

2011-06-13 Thread Allan B. Cobb
I am really fond of my Sten light. It is not cheap but it is dependable, robust, and fairly water resistant. In answer to Malory’s original question, I used to use a Duo and it worked well for me. I highly recommend the LED version. For casual caving, it will work just fine. Allan From: Tim

Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question

2011-06-13 Thread Tim Stich
You could always search around the "Lost Petzl Cave System" for Melanie Alspaugh's lost Duo. It's been there for a few years, so it might need new O-rings. ;-) On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Allan B. Cobb wrote: > I am really fond of my Sten light. It is not cheap but it is > dependable, r

Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question

2011-06-13 Thread Herman Miller
I started caving with a Petzl Duo 8 and a Duo 14 in that order. The lights held up fine but I would not get one with a remote battery pack " http://www.petzl.com/us/outdoor/duo-series-0/duobelt-led-5 ", when I had just started caving having that extra length of cord was a pain and led to the event

Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question

2011-06-13 Thread caverarch
I've always had good results with my old incandescent version of the Duo, but that probably isn't for sale anymore. Roger -Original Message- From: Allan B. Cobb To: Tim Stich Cc: Don Arburn ; Mallory Mayeux ; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Sent: Mon, Jun 13, 2011 12:45 pm Subject: Re:

Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question

2011-06-13 Thread Josh Rubinstein
Allan, I like my Sten Light too. It is not NOT a good waterproof light. The battery contains circuitry. The plug connection between the battery and the light is a portal for water. Not a good combination. The risk can be lessen by coating the connection with dielectric grease. The light I use

RE: [Texascavers] Headlamp question

2011-06-13 Thread Stefan Creaser
I second the durability of FX-2's; I've had mine for more than 15yrs and it's still going strong. It's outlasted numerous helmet mounted lights, though it is more robustly made (for caving). Looks like you can still get old ones: http://www.thecavingandclimbingshop.com/epages/BT3421.sf/en_GB/?O

RE: [Texascavers] Headlamp question

2011-06-13 Thread Mark Minton
Whatever kind of light you get, you'll definitely want to go with LEDs. Incandescent just can't compete when it comes to brightness and battery life. And for batteries, you can't beat lithium ion. They are small, lightweight, long-lasting, very reliable and much cheaper in the long r

[Texascavers] CACANP

2011-06-13 Thread Karen Perry
For those interested, we had to evacuate Carlsbad Caverns National Park due to fire incroaching on the vistor center. The rangers where great, had everyone out of the cave in 1 hour. The fire seems to have started along the scenic loop road and is now in Rattlesnake & Lechuguilla Canyons and may

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[Texascavers] PBSS Meeting for June 2011

2011-06-13 Thread J. LaRue Thomas
You are all invited to join us for the June meeting of the Permian Basin Speleological Society! We are meeting tomorrow, Tuesday (June 14th) at 7:00 p.m. at Murray's Delicatessen in Midland, Texas. We have reports on our 5 Mouth dig, and our Abyss trip, and maybe some Congress of Grottos discu

[PBSS] Expired PBSS memberships

2011-06-13 Thread Bill Bentley
Greetings, The following persons need to pay their PBSS dues... Carroll, Arlon Dizon, Chris Fincher, J.D. Franks, Steve Franks, Brenda Gashette, Dustin Gray, Mike Hales, Lori A. Hancock, Jon Hayes, Donna Hunnicutt, Sam

texascavers Digest 13 Jun 2011 20:50:58 -0000 Issue 1332

2011-06-13 Thread texascavers-digest-help
texascavers Digest 13 Jun 2011 20:50:58 - Issue 1332 Topics (messages 18022 through 18033): Re: tourist cars in Mexico 18022 by: Mark Minton Re: Cavers' Message to Congress Concerning Cave Closures 18023 by: R D Milhollin Headlamp question 18024 by: Mallory Mayeux

[Texascavers] Headlamp question

2011-06-13 Thread Mallory Mayeux
Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory

Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question

2011-06-13 Thread Don Arburn
Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux wrote: > Hello Cavers! > > I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some > opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the > money, is there something else you would r

Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question

2011-06-13 Thread Allan B. Cobb
Autolite Carbide Lamp! -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: Mallory Mayeux Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux wrote: Hello Caver

Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question

2011-06-13 Thread Tim Stich
I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine. But for caving I would want a much tougher light. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb wrote: > Autolite Carbide Lamp! > > -Origin

Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question

2011-06-13 Thread Allan B. Cobb
I am really fond of my Sten light. It is not cheap but it is dependable, robust, and fairly water resistant. In answer to Malory’s original question, I used to use a Duo and it worked well for me. I highly recommend the LED version. For casual caving, it will work just fine. Allan From: Tim

Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question

2011-06-13 Thread Tim Stich
You could always search around the "Lost Petzl Cave System" for Melanie Alspaugh's lost Duo. It's been there for a few years, so it might need new O-rings. ;-) On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Allan B. Cobb wrote: > I am really fond of my Sten light. It is not cheap but it is > dependable, r

Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question

2011-06-13 Thread Herman Miller
I started caving with a Petzl Duo 8 and a Duo 14 in that order. The lights held up fine but I would not get one with a remote battery pack " http://www.petzl.com/us/outdoor/duo-series-0/duobelt-led-5 ", when I had just started caving having that extra length of cord was a pain and led to the event

Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question

2011-06-13 Thread caverarch
I've always had good results with my old incandescent version of the Duo, but that probably isn't for sale anymore. Roger -Original Message- From: Allan B. Cobb To: Tim Stich Cc: Don Arburn ; Mallory Mayeux ; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Sent: Mon, Jun 13, 2011 12:45 pm Subject: Re:

Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question

2011-06-13 Thread Josh Rubinstein
Allan, I like my Sten Light too. It is not NOT a good waterproof light. The battery contains circuitry. The plug connection between the battery and the light is a portal for water. Not a good combination. The risk can be lessen by coating the connection with dielectric grease. The light I use

RE: [Texascavers] Headlamp question

2011-06-13 Thread Stefan Creaser
I second the durability of FX-2's; I've had mine for more than 15yrs and it's still going strong. It's outlasted numerous helmet mounted lights, though it is more robustly made (for caving). Looks like you can still get old ones: http://www.thecavingandclimbingshop.com/epages/BT3421.sf/en_GB/?O

RE: [Texascavers] Headlamp question

2011-06-13 Thread Mark Minton
Whatever kind of light you get, you'll definitely want to go with LEDs. Incandescent just can't compete when it comes to brightness and battery life. And for batteries, you can't beat lithium ion. They are small, lightweight, long-lasting, very reliable and much cheaper in the long r

[Texascavers] CACANP

2011-06-13 Thread Karen Perry
For those interested, we had to evacuate Carlsbad Caverns National Park due to fire incroaching on the vistor center. The rangers where great, had everyone out of the cave in 1 hour. The fire seems to have started along the scenic loop road and is now in Rattlesnake & Lechuguilla Canyons and may