[Texascavers] Re: Fire Extinguishers at TCR

2011-09-12 Thread Rod Goke
Gill has requested that people bringdry chemical fire extinguishers to TCR. That's a good idea, but it's important to understand that not alldry chemical fire extinguishers are the same and that some types are not considered to be effective against the types of fires most likely to be encountered

[Texascavers] Re: Fire Extinguishers at TCR

2011-09-12 Thread Rod Goke
Gill has requested that people bringdry chemical fire extinguishers to TCR. That's a good idea, but it's important to understand that not alldry chemical fire extinguishers are the same and that some types are not considered to be effective against the types of fires most likely to be encountered

[Texascavers] Re: Fire Extinguishers at TCR

2011-09-12 Thread Rod Goke
Gill has requested that people bringdry chemical fire extinguishers to TCR. That's a good idea, but it's important to understand that not alldry chemical fire extinguishers are the same and that some types are not considered to be effective against the types of fires most likely to be encountered

[Texascavers] RE: Dust, Smoke, and Fire Precautions at TCR 2011

2011-09-09 Thread Rod Goke
If exceptionaldrouth conditions continue, we certainly will have reason to be extra cautious about fire hazards and air pollution at TCR this year. I haven't been toFlat Creek Ranch as recently as Gill, but I have been there a number of times in the past, including both times when it was dry and

Re: [Texascavers] Canceling Mexico Vehicle Import Permit

2011-09-09 Thread Rod Goke
Another suggestion, would be to find a car in a junk yard ... And, how well has that technique worked for you, David? Is there an interesting story behind this suggestion? ;-) Rod -Original Message- From: David dlocklea...@gmail.com Sent: Sep 9, 2011 9:14 PM To: Cavers Texas

[Texascavers] RE: Dust, Smoke, and Fire Precautions at TCR 2011

2011-09-09 Thread Rod Goke
If exceptionaldrouth conditions continue, we certainly will have reason to be extra cautious about fire hazards and air pollution at TCR this year. I haven't been toFlat Creek Ranch as recently as Gill, but I have been there a number of times in the past, including both times when it was dry and

Re: [Texascavers] Canceling Mexico Vehicle Import Permit

2011-09-09 Thread Rod Goke
Another suggestion, would be to find a car in a junk yard ... And, how well has that technique worked for you, David? Is there an interesting story behind this suggestion? ;-) Rod -Original Message- From: David dlocklea...@gmail.com Sent: Sep 9, 2011 9:14 PM To: Cavers Texas

[Texascavers] RE: Dust, Smoke, and Fire Precautions at TCR 2011

2011-09-09 Thread Rod Goke
If exceptionaldrouth conditions continue, we certainly will have reason to be extra cautious about fire hazards and air pollution at TCR this year. I haven't been toFlat Creek Ranch as recently as Gill, but I have been there a number of times in the past, including both times when it was dry and

Re: [Texascavers] Canceling Mexico Vehicle Import Permit

2011-09-09 Thread Rod Goke
Another suggestion, would be to find a car in a junk yard ... And, how well has that technique worked for you, David? Is there an interesting story behind this suggestion? ;-) Rod -Original Message- From: David dlocklea...@gmail.com Sent: Sep 9, 2011 9:14 PM To: Cavers Texas

Re: Re: Re: [Texascavers] el presidente in caves in Mexico (explanacion)

2011-08-23 Thread Rod Goke
Your "explanacion" gives us a better understanding of what you meant by your remarks (which originally were as unclear to me as they were toJon), but what does any of that have to do with the original article aboutFelipe Calderon making caving videos to promotetourism? The original article cites

Re: Re: Re: [Texascavers] el presidente in caves in Mexico (explanacion)

2011-08-23 Thread Rod Goke
Your "explanacion" gives us a better understanding of what you meant by your remarks (which originally were as unclear to me as they were toJon), but what does any of that have to do with the original article aboutFelipe Calderon making caving videos to promotetourism? The original article cites

Re: Re: Re: [Texascavers] el presidente in caves in Mexico (explanacion)

2011-08-23 Thread Rod Goke
Your "explanacion" gives us a better understanding of what you meant by your remarks (which originally were as unclear to me as they were toJon), but what does any of that have to do with the original article aboutFelipe Calderon making caving videos to promotetourism? The original article cites

Re: [Texascavers] OT - VoIP Phone service - devils in the details

2011-08-13 Thread Rod Goke
I found the recent OT discussion about VoIP phone service very interesting, since I, too, have been interested in getting such a service, hopefully one that would be cost effective enough for me to dump my overpriced traditional telephone service. I haven't actually used any of theVoIP

Re: [Texascavers] OT - VoIP Phone service - devils in the details

2011-08-13 Thread Rod Goke
I found the recent OT discussion about VoIP phone service very interesting, since I, too, have been interested in getting such a service, hopefully one that would be cost effective enough for me to dump my overpriced traditional telephone service. I haven't actually used any of theVoIP

Re: [Texascavers] book review: Lew Bicking

2011-08-08 Thread Rod Goke
min...@caver.netPermanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org -----Forwarded Message-From: Rod Goke <rod.g...@earthlink.net>Sent: May 1, 2010 6:47 AMTo: texascavers@texascavers.comSubject: Re: Traveling with $5 per personBack when Texas cavers and hippies were visiting Mexico w

Re: [Texascavers] book review: Lew Bicking

2011-08-08 Thread Rod Goke
min...@caver.netPermanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org -----Forwarded Message-From: Rod Goke <rod.g...@earthlink.net>Sent: May 1, 2010 6:47 AMTo: texascavers@texascavers.comSubject: Re: Traveling with $5 per personBack when Texas cavers and hippies were visiting Mexico w

Re: [Texascavers] book review: Lew Bicking

2011-08-08 Thread Rod Goke
min...@caver.netPermanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org -----Forwarded Message-From: Rod Goke <rod.g...@earthlink.net>Sent: May 1, 2010 6:47 AMTo: texascavers@texascavers.comSubject: Re: Traveling with $5 per personBack when Texas cavers and hippies were visiting Mexico w

Re: [Texascavers] where a man can breathe free, and relevance to caves

2011-08-06 Thread Rod Goke
RegardingGainesville Florida,Sleaze wrote, "We don't want no stinking roadseither."Austin tried that for about 2 or 3 decades, during which the attitude of local "environmentalists" towards roadway construction/expansion was: Don't build it, and hope they won't come.They opposed road building on

Re: [Texascavers] where a man can breathe free, and relevance to caves

2011-08-06 Thread Rod Goke
RegardingGainesville Florida,Sleaze wrote, "We don't want no stinking roadseither."Austin tried that for about 2 or 3 decades, during which the attitude of local "environmentalists" towards roadway construction/expansion was: Don't build it, and hope they won't come.They opposed road building on

Re: [Texascavers] where a man can breathe free, and relevance to caves

2011-08-06 Thread Rod Goke
RegardingGainesville Florida,Sleaze wrote, "We don't want no stinking roadseither."Austin tried that for about 2 or 3 decades, during which the attitude of local "environmentalists" towards roadway construction/expansion was: Don't build it, and hope they won't come.They opposed road building on

RE: [Texascavers] Austinites, here come the brown outs -- not necessarily OT

2011-08-05 Thread Rod Goke
Popular? By that standard, so is most of the population of the U.S., not to mention the billions of people in even more overpopulated regions of the earth.Rod-Original Message-From: Stefan Creaser Sent: Aug 5, 2011 9:59 AMTo: Rod Goke , "texascavers@texascavers.com" S

RE: [Texascavers] Austinites, here come the brown outs -- not necessarily OT

2011-08-05 Thread Rod Goke
Popular? By that standard, so is most of the population of the U.S., not to mention the billions of people in even more overpopulated regions of the earth.Rod-Original Message-From: Stefan Creaser Sent: Aug 5, 2011 9:59 AMTo: Rod Goke , "texascavers@texascavers.com" S

RE: [Texascavers] Austinites, here come the brown outs -- not necessarily OT

2011-08-05 Thread Rod Goke
Popular? By that standard, so is most of the population of the U.S., not to mention the billions of people in even more overpopulated regions of the earth.Rod-Original Message-From: Stefan Creaser Sent: Aug 5, 2011 9:59 AMTo: Rod Goke , "texascavers@texascavers.com" S

Re: [Texascavers] Austinites, here come the brown outs -- not necessarily OT

2011-08-04 Thread Rod Goke
Move where? Overpopulation is a major underlying cause of almost all of the environmental problems that consume so much of our attention and is also a significant factor in many current social problems, but it's hardly a local phenomenon. The world population continues to grow, the population of

Re: [Texascavers] Austinites, here come the brown outs -- not necessarily OT

2011-08-04 Thread Rod Goke
Move where? Overpopulation is a major underlying cause of almost all of the environmental problems that consume so much of our attention and is also a significant factor in many current social problems, but it's hardly a local phenomenon. The world population continues to grow, the population of

Re: [Texascavers] Magnetron Locking Carabiner

2011-07-20 Thread Rod Goke
Use it during a tape and compass survey and I bet you'll have some really interesting cave maps. ;-) Rod -Original Message- From: Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net Sent: Jul 14, 2011 8:38 AM To: Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com, s...@caver.net Subject: [Texascavers] Magnetron Locking

Re: [Texascavers] Magnetron Locking Carabiner

2011-07-20 Thread Rod Goke
Use it during a tape and compass survey and I bet you'll have some really interesting cave maps. ;-) Rod -Original Message- From: Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net Sent: Jul 14, 2011 8:38 AM To: Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com, s...@caver.net Subject: [Texascavers] Magnetron Locking

[Texascavers] Static Electricity and Gas Pump Fires

2011-07-09 Thread Rod Goke
Although the danger of igniting a gasoline pump fire with a cell phone has been greatly exaggerated in Internet rumors, the danger of starting such fires with electrical sparks is quite real, and, by far, the most common cause of dangerous sparks near gasoline vapors is static electricity.

Re: [Texascavers] Static Electricity and Gas Pump Fires

2011-07-09 Thread Rod Goke
warning people not to use radio transmitters, so I suspect that this might be what influenced some people to think that cell phones could trigger gas pump explosions.Rod-Original Message-From: James Edwards Sent: Jul 9, 2011 10:45 AMTo: Rod Goke Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Static Electricity

[Texascavers] Static Electricity and Gas Pump Fires

2011-07-09 Thread Rod Goke
Although the danger of igniting a gasoline pump fire with a cell phone has been greatly exaggerated in Internet rumors, the danger of starting such fires with electrical sparks is quite real, and, by far, the most common cause of dangerous sparks near gasoline vapors is static electricity.

Re: [Texascavers] Static Electricity and Gas Pump Fires

2011-07-09 Thread Rod Goke
warning people not to use radio transmitters, so I suspect that this might be what influenced some people to think that cell phones could trigger gas pump explosions.Rod-Original Message-From: James Edwards Sent: Jul 9, 2011 10:45 AMTo: Rod Goke Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Static Electricity

[Texascavers] Static Electricity and Gas Pump Fires

2011-07-09 Thread Rod Goke
Although the danger of igniting a gasoline pump fire with a cell phone has been greatly exaggerated in Internet rumors, the danger of starting such fires with electrical sparks is quite real, and, by far, the most common cause of dangerous sparks near gasoline vapors is static electricity.

Re: [Texascavers] Static Electricity and Gas Pump Fires

2011-07-09 Thread Rod Goke
warning people not to use radio transmitters, so I suspect that this might be what influenced some people to think that cell phones could trigger gas pump explosions.Rod-Original Message-From: James Edwards Sent: Jul 9, 2011 10:45 AMTo: Rod Goke Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Static Electricity

Re: [Texascavers] FW: 3D PRINTER

2011-07-05 Thread Rod Goke
Fritz,What do you mean it's not cave related? It looks to me like this could be the future of cave mapping. Instead of sketching cave passages by hand while surveying with tape and compass, we will scan cave passages using portable 3D scanners and will use computers to generate extremely accurate

Re: [Texascavers] FW: 3D PRINTER

2011-07-05 Thread Rod Goke
Fritz,What do you mean it's not cave related? It looks to me like this could be the future of cave mapping. Instead of sketching cave passages by hand while surveying with tape and compass, we will scan cave passages using portable 3D scanners and will use computers to generate extremely accurate

Re: [Texascavers] FW: 3D PRINTER

2011-07-05 Thread Rod Goke
Fritz,What do you mean it's not cave related? It looks to me like this could be the future of cave mapping. Instead of sketching cave passages by hand while surveying with tape and compass, we will scan cave passages using portable 3D scanners and will use computers to generate extremely accurate

[Texascavers] Cave related UFO sighting, not a hoax!

2011-07-04 Thread Rod Goke
a hoax, Rod? Not so sure, having been successfully hoaxed by Rod upon at least a couple of occasions in the distant past.BTW, any word of my demise is premature. Not so, unfortunately for my Miata, as Rod would know if only he was on Facebook.Roger-Original Message-From: Rod Goke

[Texascavers] Cave related UFO sighting, not a hoax!

2011-07-04 Thread Rod Goke
a hoax, Rod? Not so sure, having been successfully hoaxed by Rod upon at least a couple of occasions in the distant past.BTW, any word of my demise is premature. Not so, unfortunately for my Miata, as Rod would know if only he was on Facebook.Roger-Original Message-From: Rod Goke

Re: [Texascavers] Cave and Mine Bat Monitoring in the State of Colorado

2011-07-03 Thread Rod Goke
Notice that theSynopsis announcing this grant was created and posted July 1, 2011 and that the "Closing Date for Applications" is July 22, 2011, which coincides with the last day of the NSS Convention. It's hard to imagine a more difficult time to write a grant application for anyone attending the

Re: [Texascavers] Cave and Mine Bat Monitoring in the State of Colorado

2011-07-03 Thread Rod Goke
Notice that theSynopsis announcing this grant was created and posted July 1, 2011 and that the "Closing Date for Applications" is July 22, 2011, which coincides with the last day of the NSS Convention. It's hard to imagine a more difficult time to write a grant application for anyone attending the

Re: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a good idea)

2011-06-22 Thread Rod Goke
Andy,What is going on here, and why have you been sending these strange messages toTexascavers? This afternoon subscribers toTexascavers received 2 copies of your "Damn, Fritz! More bs ..." message below, one sent at12:49 PM and the other at12:51 PM, plus another message with subject

Re: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not agoodidea)

2011-06-22 Thread Rod Goke
llishments before forwarding it along to everyone they know on the Internet. ;-)Rod-Original Message-From: sheryl.ri...@gmail.comSent: Jun 22, 2011 5:59 PMTo: Fritz Holt , 'Rod Goke' , Andy Gluesenkamp , TexasCavers Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not agoodid

Re: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a goodidea)

2011-06-22 Thread Rod Goke
, as Rod would know if only he was on Facebook.Roger-Original Message-From: Rod Goke To: Andy Gluesenkamp ; TexasCavers Sent: Wed, Jun 22, 2011 10:17 pmSubject: Re: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a goodidea)Oh no! See what you've done now, Andy! You have us all curious

Re: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a good idea)

2011-06-22 Thread Rod Goke
Andy,What is going on here, and why have you been sending these strange messages toTexascavers? This afternoon subscribers toTexascavers received 2 copies of your "Damn, Fritz! More bs ..." message below, one sent at12:49 PM and the other at12:51 PM, plus another message with subject

Re: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not agoodidea)

2011-06-22 Thread Rod Goke
llishments before forwarding it along to everyone they know on the Internet. ;-)Rod-Original Message-From: sheryl.ri...@gmail.comSent: Jun 22, 2011 5:59 PMTo: Fritz Holt , 'Rod Goke' , Andy Gluesenkamp , TexasCavers Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not agoodid

Re: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a goodidea)

2011-06-22 Thread Rod Goke
: Fritz Holt Cc: "sheryl.ri...@gmail.com" , Rod Goke , Andy Gluesenkamp , TexasCavers Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a goodidea)Oh god. Please don't. My chupacabra story is much better. Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 22, 2011, at 5:53 PM, Fritz Holt wrot

Re: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a goodidea)

2011-06-22 Thread Rod Goke
, as Rod would know if only he was on Facebook.Roger-Original Message-From: Rod Goke To: Andy Gluesenkamp ; TexasCavers Sent: Wed, Jun 22, 2011 10:17 pmSubject: Re: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a goodidea)Oh no! See what you've done now, Andy! You have us all curious

Re: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a good idea)

2011-06-22 Thread Rod Goke
Andy,What is going on here, and why have you been sending these strange messages toTexascavers? This afternoon subscribers toTexascavers received 2 copies of your "Damn, Fritz! More bs ..." message below, one sent at12:49 PM and the other at12:51 PM, plus another message with subject

Re: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not agoodidea)

2011-06-22 Thread Rod Goke
llishments before forwarding it along to everyone they know on the Internet. ;-)Rod-Original Message-From: sheryl.ri...@gmail.comSent: Jun 22, 2011 5:59 PMTo: Fritz Holt , 'Rod Goke' , Andy Gluesenkamp , TexasCavers Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not agoodid

Re: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a goodidea)

2011-06-22 Thread Rod Goke
: Fritz Holt Cc: "sheryl.ri...@gmail.com" , Rod Goke , Andy Gluesenkamp , TexasCavers Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a goodidea)Oh god. Please don't. My chupacabra story is much better. Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 22, 2011, at 5:53 PM, Fritz Holt wrot

Re: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a goodidea)

2011-06-22 Thread Rod Goke
, as Rod would know if only he was on Facebook.Roger-Original Message-From: Rod Goke To: Andy Gluesenkamp ; TexasCavers Sent: Wed, Jun 22, 2011 10:17 pmSubject: Re: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a goodidea)Oh no! See what you've done now, Andy! You have us all curious

Re: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related

2011-06-20 Thread Rod Goke
When during fall 2011 does the BOG meeting need to be scheduled? Notice that TCR 2011 is scheduled Oct. 14--16 at a location slightly west of Austin. Would it be practical to schedule the BOG meting close enough to that date so that people from out of state could attend both events during the

RE: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related

2011-06-20 Thread Rod Goke
her before each Grotto meeting), and thetraditional "meeting after the meeting" at the Posse East (where Austin cavers go for beer, food, BS, socializing, etc. after each Grotto meeting).Rod-Original Message-From: Geary Schindel Sent: Jun 20, 2011 3:16 PMTo: 'Rod Goke' , Fritz Ho

Re: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related

2011-06-20 Thread Rod Goke
irline hub. If the organizers do choose Austin, I might be able to assist in some minor ways.Rod-Original Message-From: Diana Tomchick <diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu>Sent: Jun 20, 2011 4:32 PMTo: Rod Goke <rod.g...@ieee.org>Cc: Geary Schindel <gschin...@edwardsaqu

Re: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related

2011-06-20 Thread Rod Goke
When during fall 2011 does the BOG meeting need to be scheduled? Notice that TCR 2011 is scheduled Oct. 14--16 at a location slightly west of Austin. Would it be practical to schedule the BOG meting close enough to that date so that people from out of state could attend both events during the

RE: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related

2011-06-20 Thread Rod Goke
her before each Grotto meeting), and thetraditional "meeting after the meeting" at the Posse East (where Austin cavers go for beer, food, BS, socializing, etc. after each Grotto meeting).Rod-Original Message-From: Geary Schindel Sent: Jun 20, 2011 3:16 PMTo: 'Rod Goke' , Fritz Ho

Re: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related

2011-06-20 Thread Rod Goke
irline hub. If the organizers do choose Austin, I might be able to assist in some minor ways.Rod-Original Message-From: Diana Tomchick <diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu>Sent: Jun 20, 2011 4:32 PMTo: Rod Goke <rod.g...@ieee.org>Cc: Geary Schindel <gschin...@edwardsaqu

Re: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related

2011-06-20 Thread Rod Goke
When during fall 2011 does the BOG meeting need to be scheduled? Notice that TCR 2011 is scheduled Oct. 14--16 at a location slightly west of Austin. Would it be practical to schedule the BOG meting close enough to that date so that people from out of state could attend both events during the

RE: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related

2011-06-20 Thread Rod Goke
her before each Grotto meeting), and thetraditional "meeting after the meeting" at the Posse East (where Austin cavers go for beer, food, BS, socializing, etc. after each Grotto meeting).Rod-Original Message-From: Geary Schindel Sent: Jun 20, 2011 3:16 PMTo: 'Rod Goke' , Fritz Ho

Re: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related

2011-06-20 Thread Rod Goke
irline hub. If the organizers do choose Austin, I might be able to assist in some minor ways.Rod-Original Message-From: Diana Tomchick <diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu>Sent: Jun 20, 2011 4:32 PMTo: Rod Goke <rod.g...@ieee.org>Cc: Geary Schindel <gschin...@edwardsaqu

Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: Real time stream Gages to be Discontinued Due to Proposed Funding Cuts

2011-06-17 Thread Rod Goke
Does anyone know whether the funding in question is Federal, State, or some combination of both, and who is responsible for this specific funding decision?Rod-Original Message-From: caverarch Sent: Jun 17, 2011 5:33 PMTo: texascavers@texascavers.comSubject: [Texascavers] Fwd: Real time

Re: [Texascavers] Forest Service Implements Rules at National Cave Convention in Colorado to Prevent Spread of Bat-killing Disease

2011-06-17 Thread Rod Goke
That's the same link that Mark posted toTexascavers at9:49 AM today.-Original Message-From: John P Brooks Sent: Jun 17, 2011 3:19 PMTo: texascavers@texascavers.comSubject: [Texascavers] Forest Service Implements Rules at National Cave Convention in Colorado to Prevent Spread of Bat-killing

Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: Real time stream Gages to be Discontinued Due to Proposed Funding Cuts

2011-06-17 Thread Rod Goke
Does anyone know whether the funding in question is Federal, State, or some combination of both, and who is responsible for this specific funding decision?Rod-Original Message-From: caverarch Sent: Jun 17, 2011 5:33 PMTo: texascavers@texascavers.comSubject: [Texascavers] Fwd: Real time

Re: [Texascavers] Forest Service Implements Rules at National Cave Convention in Colorado to Prevent Spread of Bat-killing Disease

2011-06-17 Thread Rod Goke
That's the same link that Mark posted toTexascavers at9:49 AM today.-Original Message-From: John P Brooks Sent: Jun 17, 2011 3:19 PMTo: texascavers@texascavers.comSubject: [Texascavers] Forest Service Implements Rules at National Cave Convention in Colorado to Prevent Spread of Bat-killing

Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: Real time stream Gages to be Discontinued Due to Proposed Funding Cuts

2011-06-17 Thread Rod Goke
Does anyone know whether the funding in question is Federal, State, or some combination of both, and who is responsible for this specific funding decision?Rod-Original Message-From: caverarch Sent: Jun 17, 2011 5:33 PMTo: texascavers@texascavers.comSubject: [Texascavers] Fwd: Real time

Re: [Texascavers] cave vandals caught

2011-06-16 Thread Rod Goke
Notice that the last paragraph states, "Efforts of the Oregon High Desert Grotto and a tips line opened by the Deschutes National Forest just led to thearrestof several suspects in the case."-Original Message-From: Don Arburn Sent: Jun 16, 2011 2:29 PMTo: TSA Cavers Subject: Re:

Re: [Texascavers] cave vandals caught

2011-06-16 Thread Rod Goke
Notice that the last paragraph states, "Efforts of the Oregon High Desert Grotto and a tips line opened by the Deschutes National Forest just led to thearrestof several suspects in the case."-Original Message-From: Don Arburn Sent: Jun 16, 2011 2:29 PMTo: TSA Cavers Subject: Re:

Re: [Texascavers] cave vandals caught

2011-06-16 Thread Rod Goke
Notice that the last paragraph states, "Efforts of the Oregon High Desert Grotto and a tips line opened by the Deschutes National Forest just led to thearrestof several suspects in the case."-Original Message-From: Don Arburn Sent: Jun 16, 2011 2:29 PMTo: TSA Cavers Subject: Re:

[Texascavers] protecting caving lights from water

2011-06-14 Thread Rod Goke
Silicone grease is good for coating O-rings and similar rubber seals to make sure that they are water tight. It is sold for this purpose in most SCUBA diving shops. When applying this, it is extremely important to keep the seals and the surfaces they contact free from any dirt, sand, or other

[Texascavers] protecting caving lights from water

2011-06-14 Thread Rod Goke
Silicone grease is good for coating O-rings and similar rubber seals to make sure that they are water tight. It is sold for this purpose in most SCUBA diving shops. When applying this, it is extremely important to keep the seals and the surfaces they contact free from any dirt, sand, or other

[Texascavers] Re: LowGun's glow-in-the-dark quest

2011-06-04 Thread Rod Goke
Remember the Fibre-Metal hard hats that used to be popular with cavers.Fibre-Metalused to make a glow-in-the-dark model, which some cavers used and which didn't cost much more than their other color options. If LowGun succeeds in convincing cavers to useglow-in-the-dark ropes, then, undoubtedly,

[Texascavers] Re: LowGun's glow-in-the-dark quest

2011-06-04 Thread Rod Goke
Remember the Fibre-Metal hard hats that used to be popular with cavers.Fibre-Metalused to make a glow-in-the-dark model, which some cavers used and which didn't cost much more than their other color options. If LowGun succeeds in convincing cavers to useglow-in-the-dark ropes, then, undoubtedly,

[Texascavers] Re: LowGun's glow-in-the-dark quest

2011-06-04 Thread Rod Goke
Remember the Fibre-Metal hard hats that used to be popular with cavers.Fibre-Metalused to make a glow-in-the-dark model, which some cavers used and which didn't cost much more than their other color options. If LowGun succeeds in convincing cavers to useglow-in-the-dark ropes, then, undoubtedly,

Re: [Texascavers] polypropylene

2011-06-03 Thread Rod Goke
"I once had polypropylene prusik slings." ..."A major problem with polypropylene is its low melting point, 130 to 170 degrees C. You could easily get your brakebars hot enough to melt, or at least seriously degrade, polypropylene."Bill, most of the cavers I knew who used polypropylene prusiks

Re: [Texascavers] polypropylene

2011-06-03 Thread Rod Goke
"I once had polypropylene prusik slings." ..."A major problem with polypropylene is its low melting point, 130 to 170 degrees C. You could easily get your brakebars hot enough to melt, or at least seriously degrade, polypropylene."Bill, most of the cavers I knew who used polypropylene prusiks

[Texascavers] Re: Polypropylene rope and caving history

2011-06-03 Thread Rod Goke
At one time, cavers did usepolypropylene ropes to some degree, primarily for prusik knots. When I first started caving in 1968, most cavers in our grotto ascended with prusik knots instead of mechanical ascenders. Jumars existed, but they were too expensive for most of us university student

Re: [Texascavers] polypropylene

2011-06-03 Thread Rod Goke
"I once had polypropylene prusik slings." ..."A major problem with polypropylene is its low melting point, 130 to 170 degrees C. You could easily get your brakebars hot enough to melt, or at least seriously degrade, polypropylene."Bill, most of the cavers I knew who used polypropylene prusiks

Re: [Texascavers] polypropylene

2011-06-03 Thread Rod Goke
"I once had polypropylene prusik slings." ..."A major problem with polypropylene is its low melting point, 130 to 170 degrees C. You could easily get your brakebars hot enough to melt, or at least seriously degrade, polypropylene."Bill, most of the cavers I knew who used polypropylene prusiks

[Texascavers] Re: Polypropylene rope and caving history

2011-06-03 Thread Rod Goke
At one time, cavers did usepolypropylene ropes to some degree, primarily for prusik knots. When I first started caving in 1968, most cavers in our grotto ascended with prusik knots instead of mechanical ascenders. Jumars existed, but they were too expensive for most of us university student

Re: [Texascavers] polypropylene

2011-06-03 Thread Rod Goke
"I once had polypropylene prusik slings." ..."A major problem with polypropylene is its low melting point, 130 to 170 degrees C. You could easily get your brakebars hot enough to melt, or at least seriously degrade, polypropylene."Bill, most of the cavers I knew who used polypropylene prusiks

Re: [Texascavers] polypropylene

2011-06-03 Thread Rod Goke
"I once had polypropylene prusik slings." ..."A major problem with polypropylene is its low melting point, 130 to 170 degrees C. You could easily get your brakebars hot enough to melt, or at least seriously degrade, polypropylene."Bill, most of the cavers I knew who used polypropylene prusiks

[Texascavers] Re: Polypropylene rope and caving history

2011-06-03 Thread Rod Goke
At one time, cavers did usepolypropylene ropes to some degree, primarily for prusik knots. When I first started caving in 1968, most cavers in our grotto ascended with prusik knots instead of mechanical ascenders. Jumars existed, but they were too expensive for most of us university student

Re: [Texascavers] Glow in the Dark Rope for caving?

2011-06-02 Thread Rod Goke
And when it breaks above you, the glowing rope pile will make it easy for rescuers to locate you at the bottom.8-o-Original Message-From: Logan McNatt Sent: Jun 2, 2011 8:39 PMTo: Texas Cavers Subject: [Texascavers] Glow in the Dark Rope for caving?Some of you probably have seen this

Re: [Texascavers] Glow in the Dark Rope for caving?

2011-06-02 Thread Rod Goke
There is a technology for making theluminescence last longer, such that you don't have to continually stimulate it with bright light. You could mix in some radioactive material, such as tritium or radium, as was done for many luminous dial watches and other

Re: [Texascavers] Glow in the Dark Rope for caving?

2011-06-02 Thread Rod Goke
And when it breaks above you, the glowing rope pile will make it easy for rescuers to locate you at the bottom.8-o-Original Message-From: Logan McNatt Sent: Jun 2, 2011 8:39 PMTo: Texas Cavers Subject: [Texascavers] Glow in the Dark Rope for caving?Some of you probably have seen this

Re: [Texascavers] Glow in the Dark Rope for caving?

2011-06-02 Thread Rod Goke
There is a technology for making theluminescence last longer, such that you don't have to continually stimulate it with bright light. You could mix in some radioactive material, such as tritium or radium, as was done for many luminous dial watches and other

Re: [Texascavers] Glow in the Dark Rope for caving?

2011-06-02 Thread Rod Goke
And when it breaks above you, the glowing rope pile will make it easy for rescuers to locate you at the bottom.8-o-Original Message-From: Logan McNatt Sent: Jun 2, 2011 8:39 PMTo: Texas Cavers Subject: [Texascavers] Glow in the Dark Rope for caving?Some of you probably have seen this

Re: [Texascavers] Glow in the Dark Rope for caving?

2011-06-02 Thread Rod Goke
There is a technology for making theluminescence last longer, such that you don't have to continually stimulate it with bright light. You could mix in some radioactive material, such as tritium or radium, as was done for many luminous dial watches and other

[Texascavers] New climbing technologies

2011-05-31 Thread Rod Goke
Here's an interesting new technology for climbing up walls and even across ceilings with no ropes, anchor points, or handholds; not even suction cups or glue! Thus far, it's been demonstrated only with small robots climbing on relatively flat, but not necessarily smooth, surfaces. Not exactly a

[Texascavers] New climbing technologies

2011-05-31 Thread Rod Goke
Here's an interesting new technology for climbing up walls and even across ceilings with no ropes, anchor points, or handholds; not even suction cups or glue! Thus far, it's been demonstrated only with small robots climbing on relatively flat, but not necessarily smooth, surfaces. Not exactly a

[Texascavers] New climbing technologies

2011-05-31 Thread Rod Goke
Here's an interesting new technology for climbing up walls and even across ceilings with no ropes, anchor points, or handholds; not even suction cups or glue! Thus far, it's been demonstrated only with small robots climbing on relatively flat, but not necessarily smooth, surfaces. Not exactly a

Re: [Texascavers] Deep cave rescue happening now in eastern Tennessee multi-drop cave

2011-05-30 Thread Rod Goke
I don't know the details of what happened in the recent accident in Tennessee, but I can second what Mark said about the importance of looking down frequently and rappelling slowly enough so you can stop on short notice if necessary. This is good advice even when you think you are sure that every

Re: [Texascavers] Deep cave rescue happening now in eastern Tennessee multi-drop cave

2011-05-30 Thread Rod Goke
I don't know the details of what happened in the recent accident in Tennessee, but I can second what Mark said about the importance of looking down frequently and rappelling slowly enough so you can stop on short notice if necessary. This is good advice even when you think you are sure that every

Re: [Texascavers] Deep cave rescue happening now in eastern Tennessee multi-drop cave

2011-05-30 Thread Rod Goke
I don't know the details of what happened in the recent accident in Tennessee, but I can second what Mark said about the importance of looking down frequently and rappelling slowly enough so you can stop on short notice if necessary. This is good advice even when you think you are sure that every

Re: [Texascavers] TCR at Flat Creek Ranch, October 14-16, 2011

2011-05-27 Thread Rod Goke
Be careful what you wish for, Allan. Ellie has a reputation for doing her jobs well, and the most effective way to make sure there's no dust is to have lots of rain. During one past TCR atFlat Creek Ranch, we did have rain, enough rain that it inspired a new sporting event, ... mud skiing behind 4

Re: [Texascavers] TCR at Flat Creek Ranch, October 14-16, 2011

2011-05-27 Thread Rod Goke
Be careful what you wish for, Allan. Ellie has a reputation for doing her jobs well, and the most effective way to make sure there's no dust is to have lots of rain. During one past TCR atFlat Creek Ranch, we did have rain, enough rain that it inspired a new sporting event, ... mud skiing behind 4

Re: [Texascavers] Good news and It was just an experiment, folks. Calm down.

2011-05-25 Thread Rod Goke
David,Obviously, you can make your own decisions about whether to use Texascavers or Facebook or some combination of both. It hardly inspires confidence in the credibility and security of Facebook, however, when you describe how easy it would be for "any teenager" to maliciously create a Facebook

Re: [Texascavers] Good news and It was just an experiment, folks. Calm down.

2011-05-25 Thread Rod Goke
David,Obviously, you can make your own decisions about whether to use Texascavers or Facebook or some combination of both. It hardly inspires confidence in the credibility and security of Facebook, however, when you describe how easy it would be for "any teenager" to maliciously create a Facebook

Re: [Texascavers] Good news and It was just an experiment, folks. Calm down.

2011-05-25 Thread Rod Goke
David,Obviously, you can make your own decisions about whether to use Texascavers or Facebook or some combination of both. It hardly inspires confidence in the credibility and security of Facebook, however, when you describe how easy it would be for "any teenager" to maliciously create a Facebook

Re: [Texascavers] A warning from the future

2011-05-22 Thread Rod Goke
God's impersonator (from 2035 or whenever) said: "... that day is coming soon!"But wasn't "that day" supposed to have been yesterday, May 21? Why was no one raptured? Oh no! Could it be that we allhavebeen judged unworthy and have been left here to suffer a most dreaded fate, namely having to

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