Does the log file contain a warning? I thought that it was using Survex
under the hood, and that warns of stations referred to but not used in and
fix or leg.
On 29 Nov 2013 20:07, "Bruce" wrote:
> This may have been raised before.
>
>
>
> If a typing error is made in a station equate statement,
ering.
Footleg
On 11 October 2013 19:37, Wookey wrote:
> +++ Footleg [2013-10-11 08:24 +0100]:
>>I used the vrml export from Loch to produce a 3D model file which was
>>suitable to get 3D printed. The article about it (written by Mike Bedford,
>>who got the print
is an application out there which can convert it?
Footleg
On 11 Oct 2013 05:46, "Bruce" wrote:
> **
>
> Hi
>
> I have some people trying to create a high quality 3D animation from
> Therion surface and model data or outputs. They donât seem to be able to
>
legs, export as splays) or just to help
visualise data errors better (I have not started on data visualisation
yet, but have been thinking about it for a while).
Footleg
On 29 August 2013 12:12, John Stevens wrote:
> Export oddities from PocketTopo to Therion
>
> A while back, I noted th
down
the operation, and if it was to fail for some reason (like an error in
the SQL script) then you can just drop and recreate the tables to
reset the database ready to try again.
Footleg
On 24 July 2013 21:18, Andrew Atkinson wrote:
> Hello
>
> I have just been playing with the export
A very useful account of the various options Bruce. Well worth adding to
the wiki!
I will experiment with some of my caves were I have LRUD data but have not
entered it into Therion to see if I can improve my models.
Footleg
On 20 July 2013 23:12, Bruce wrote:
> **
>
> Footleg*
improve passage dimensions in models viewed in Loch. I'll find
you a compelling reason to use this tool yet Bruce!
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file format or viewer can do all the things I
find useful, but my converter tool enables me to process my data to
work around these issues. But what else do other people wish they
could do which they would find useful, but which currently they can
only achieve by painstaking hand editing of their survey data files?
Footleg
welcome. For anyone who is not familiar with my Cave
Converter, the homepage for the tool is:
http://wscc.darkgem.com/caveconverter/
Footleg
altitude of the resurgence and of the
upstream end of the sump (determined by survey data from an entrance)?
My data shows a significant difference, but I do not know how much of
that difference might be expected and how much is due to errors in the
dry passage survey and entrance altitudes?
Footleg
That is why I posted the data inline as plain text. But that was bounced as
my message exceeded 40KB. Yet my attachment is only 7 KB.
On 17 Jun 2013 19:05, "Wookey" wrote:
> +++ Footleg [2013-06-17 18:45 +0100]:
> >This is a Survex issue but may also be of interest to th
This is a Survex issue but may also be of interest to this list. Plus the
Survex list does not accept my 7 KB of data as it says my post is too big.
Posting the data here for lack of a capable list for Survex.
Footleg
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two PDFs of the
testPlan map.
Is there any way to do this from a single config file?
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have spent much more time working out
how best to do things than actually drawing anything yet, as I want to be
sure I am doing it right before spending the next few years drawing!
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er since the section was written. So I've added a tip on getting data
off PDA via memory card, and a link to Andrew's TopParser application to
this wiki page:
http://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/doku.php/paperless#data_transfer_from_pockettopo_to_therion
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Thanks Bruce, I just spotted this as I added a second piece of line label
text and it came out a different size to the previous line label. It
appears that the text resizes to fit the length of the line. So the only
way to be certain of the size of the text is to use point labels.
Footleg
On 6
size text whether I am placing it using a
label or a line?
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Date' or 'Colour by Error' in Aven then none of my data appears to be
counted as being in loops or having dates associated with it. Is this a
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That is very useful information about recommended image size and dpi
Martin. Is it included on the wiki anywhere?
Footleg
On 21 March 2013 10:54, Martin Sluka wrote:
>
> Mar 21, 2013 v 9:35 AM, Wolfgang Zillig :
>
> What is the maximum image size therion can use as background
series (i.e. Not joined at the
start or end of either series).
Same place as usual for the download:
http://wscc.darkgem.com/caveconverter/
Footleg
other formats always welcomed.
Enjoy!
Footleg
model to calculate volume from. Or perhaps an
application exists which can calculate the volume directly from a VRML
model?
Footleg
On 27 February 2013 12:27, Marco Corvi wrote:
> hi xavier,
>
> sum the determinants of the (coords of the vertices of the) triangles.
> if the surface i
have added details of SumatraPDF and the PDFreaders.org link to the
wiki on this page:
http://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/doku.php/contrib:externalviewers
Footleg
On 15 January 2013 21:38, Wookey wrote:
>
> I've been using epdfview for a while now (ever since the idiots that
> package
Open File' dialog from the compile tab in xTherion.
Next I'll see if I can get my batch file to open the output PDF
automatically in Foxit Reader :) But that will be less general because
I need to pick a PDF filename which can vary between my thconfig
files.
Footleg
I too was embarrassed to discover that Adobe Reader has those
preference settings that I never knew about until now.
Just tested the updated Wiki instructions for closing and reopening in
Foxit v 5.3
I think you mean Alt+ instead of Ctrl+ Bruce? At least that
is what works for me.
Footleg
On 15
Thanks Bruce. I came across that page late last night and had planned
to add my cave converter on there today, so that saved me a job.
Footleg
On 13 January 2013 02:59, Bruce wrote:
> Thanks Footleg, that looks good.
> I have taken the liberty of adding your Cave Converter here
I have updated the PDF section on that page, including some pictures
to illustrate rendering differences.
Footleg
On 11 January 2013 05:00, Bruce wrote:
> Footleg, Vasily,
> Seems like you have something to add to this page
> http://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/doku.php/contrib:extern
Again, the wiki contains useful information that somehow I failed to
notice! I will add my knowledge to that page.
Footleg
On 11 January 2013 05:00, Bruce wrote:
> Footleg, Vasily,
> Seems like you have something to add to this page
> http://therion.speleo.sk/wiki
I just have the following line in my layout:
symbol-hide point passage-height
That way I can use passage height points to control the heights of
passages in my model, but they do not get rendered on the survey as
symbols at all.
Footleg
On 11 January 2013 07:42, Dave Clucas wrote:
>
show semi-transparent so I can see area
fills underneath them. But in Adobe reader the rocks are solid.
Anyone got any tips to add?
Footleg
On 8 January 2013 16:22, Marco Corvi wrote:
>
> i'm making a therion map with many colors for the maps previewed below.
>
> attached is a sn
ewed in Adobe Reader).
Footleg
On 9 January 2013 13:57, Martin Sluka wrote:
>
> On Jan 9, 2013, at 2:29 PM, Footleg wrote:
>
> Is there
> an easy way to avoid this? Or do I have to carefully define my fill
> area around the outsides of the boulders only?
>
>
> Check the order
avoid this? Or do I have to carefully define my fill
area around the outsides of the boulders only?
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A New Year, and a new version of my Cave Converter tool. It converts
between various cave survey file formats. Primarily to enable users of
DistoX devices to get their existing data into PocketTopo, and their new
survey data out of PocketTopo and into Survex format. Help and download
link on the ne
Take a look at Bruce's customised symbol sets on the wiki. I based mine on
those. I have not tried adding a completely new symbol to therion yet, but
here is how I override the pebbles area fill with one which looks more like
I prefer. Include this layout in your pdf export command to see pebbles
r
c
North is called MAGNETIC VARIATION or DECLINATION. The horizontal
angular difference between Grid North and Magnetic North is called
GRID MAGNETIC ANGLE."
Footleg
On 25 October 2012 15:51, Stacho Mudrak wrote:
> When trying to implement new feature we have figured out in literature,
That registration worked for me, but the captcha text was displayed as
plain text. I used Google Chrome browser.
Just letting you know in case the plugin is not working as expected
and you start getting Spam bot registrations due to being able to read
the plain text captcha text.
Footleg
On 24
I hope some of that helps. I'll email you the two PDFs seperately, as
they are too big to post to the list.
Footleg
On 13 October 2012 10:29, Andrew Atkinson wrote:
> I am a little puzzled by this one.
>
> I have and area sand that when I compile the file (FrozenDeep) by itself
>
emailed to the list yesterday in the same browser
the sump and water areas both obscure all the symbols.
Footleg
On 18 September 2012 10:24, Bruce wrote:
> This was supposed to take me a few weeks to get around to⦠but a miss-spent
> afternoon at workâ¦
>
>
>
> I have added a d
With the PDFs you attached, I did not see any symbols appearing
through the water in either example.
In Graham's case, if these are boulders in a UK sump then Therion is
accurately rendering things as the water would be too muddy to see any
boulders on the floor anyway ;-)
Footleg
I asked that exact same thing a little while back. I was sure somebody
must have done so. But none came to light.
Surely someone has tried this?
Footleg
On 16 September 2012 09:25, Bruce wrote:
> Has anyone put together a sample therion dataset with each type of point,
> line an
I am talking about if anyone did not know about it:
http://www.darkgem.com/wscc/caving-talk/index.php?title=CaveSurveyDataConverter
)
Footleg
On 14 September 2012 08:17, Martin Sluka wrote:
> Has anybody tried to import data from Auriga?
>
> If yes, please may you send me a &quo
Thanks for putting together that page Bruce. I learned a few things
from looking at your table, and did not spot anything that looked
wrong as far as my knowledge of the formats I've used goes.
Footleg
On 15 August 2012 09:03, Bruce wrote:
> The recent kml output discussion reminds me
I had never realised that. Thanks! That is most useful.
Footleg
On 14 August 2012 16:44, Torstein Finnesand wrote:
> I thought it was possible to create a centerline only KML file by using
> "model" (not "map"), like this:
>
> export model -format kml
elines
for an entire cave in GoogleEarth before drawing all (or even before I've
drawn any) scraps.
Footleg
On 14 August 2012 15:01, Ricardo Constantino wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I need someone's help to generate a KML file ...
> Attached is an extract of the cave survey data / co
Excellent! Just did a quick test with my project cave in North
Yorkshire. The KML file was generated in the correct location using
the OSGB grid for the Yorkshire Dales, and the KML was opened in
GoogleEarth without needing tweaking for white space either.
Thank you!
Footleg
On 13 August 2012 08
looked
like.
Published on the UK CSG website:
http://cp.cavesurveying.org.uk/index.php/articles
Footleg
pe
options.
Footleg
On 24 June 2012 17:57, Georg Pacher wrote:
> Hi Bruce!
>
> Thanks for the hints. I made some changes to the metapost code, according
> to your suggestions:
> -Last triangle is now filled too
> -Symbol size is now set to a fixed value (only distance between sym
is mailing list first!
Keep the suggestions coming, and especially any corrections to my
novice understanding of some aspects of Therion. It will make for a
better overall tutorial guide.
Footleg
On 14 June 2012 06:58, Sluka Martin wrote:
>> I would welcome any feedback on the content of th
> From the Therion Book
> " person â a personâs first name and surname separated by whitespace
> characters. Use
> â/â to separate first name and surname if there are more names."
Thanks for that tip Bruce. I've updated the training material to reflect this.
Footleg
is
an on going project to improve the content to cover more features of
Therion, and to correct any mistakes in the parts I have written so
far.
Perhaps someone with wiki editing permissions could add a link to this
training material to the therion wiki too?
Footleg
n one map but
transparent in another?
Footleg
On 14 May 2012 21:27, Bruce wrote:
>>I've also removed all my duplicated invisible
>>wall lines and just set the option '-outline out' for the chimney
>>lines which are also walls in my sketch. This works great and b
line is higher than the general ceiling height of
the passage. What do other people do? I've attached another screen
grab from my PDF. This also shows the pit as it is intended with the
scrap included which covered the floor of the pit. Then you can see
that the pit is no longer transparent on
.
Footleg
On 12 May 2012 06:56, Martin Sluka wrote:
>
> On 12.5.2012, at 0:59, Bruce wrote:
>
>> line wall subtype context-
>>
>> where is any other currently defined line type?
>
>
> As I wrote, wall has it own very important role. If you need line as wall
>
line in my PDF? This is generally how I have always drawn avens
where some of the wall of the aven is also effectively the passage
wall.
Footleg
On 11 May 2012 22:16, Bruce wrote:
> Footleg (and others)
>
>
>
> Just some musings about how 'wall subtype invisible' an
that makes a difference?
I've attached a mini project with the two versions of my ths file. One
gives a good lox model, and one does not.
Footleg
On 9 May 2012 20:52, Bruce wrote:
> I'll have a stab at this but not really sure if this is the correct answer.
>
> Â Â Â Â wall
both these ways of hiding a wall line in the PDF
would be processed the same way (both look the same in the PDF). But
clearly something different is happening in the lox model.
Footleg
Thanks Bruce. That is most helpful.
Your wiki pages on layout templates have already been immensely useful
to me and I am fast becoming rather more adept at hacking metapost
than I ever intended!
Now I need to draw up enough scraps to be able to play with these
hierarchical PDF outputs.
Footleg
So is the advantage of using two maps only so that you can present a
subset of the survey (from the separate map) offset or at a different
scale or similar in the same output PDF? I've not yet got as far as
working out how to combine multiple maps into one output document.
Footleg
On 9 May
ng an example of what I
mean (not drawn with Therion). The green lower passage is clearly
shown at the bottom of the pit where the pit floor is coloured green.
Can I do this in Therion?
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in a folder on it's own and then open it in
PocketTopo then the export file is correct. But when in a folder with
other .top files which do not connect with the one I am exporting the
therion format txt file from then if messes it up.
Footleg
it be the overall size of this sketch?
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possible without saying how in an email from the list in 2007.
Footleg
ould be to add all the OSGB grid. But could at least the
main caving region squares be covered?
These are: SD, SE, SJ, SK, SN, SO, NG, NC
Footleg
On 21 November 2011 07:45, Graham Mullan wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 17:35:59, John Stevens wrote:
>
>>
>> I have had problems w
the compile. This is better behaviour as it exits immediately and
indicates something is wrong.
Footleg
On 27 February 2012 08:36, Bruce wrote:
> Bertrand
>
> Using your files I get an infinite loop using Windows and therion 5.3.9,
> however on looking at your data I notice that you
compiles the project find, but this is not a serious problem. But it has
caught me out a couple of times recently.
Footleg
On 26 February 2012 18:00, Bertrand HAUSER wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have an infinite loop with Therion 5.3.9 on Ubuntu. I have to kill the
> processus to stop it.
>
Thanks Bruce, that makes a lot of sense.
Footleg
On 21 February 2012 19:43, Bruce wrote:
> **
>
> Footleg
>
> In my experience only Martins method (border line completely independent
> of wall (or other) lines) results in a scrap that will be resilient to
> future e
month
and want to give the best advice.
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illustrating areas defined in the two different ways I just described.
(Left side shows overlapped lines not joined at points. Right side shows
neater area defined exactly by bounding lines.)
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Sure. You just need to open it in a text editor, and delete all the white
space characters from the file (apart from in the title). Then the KML file
will work in GoogleEarth.
Footleg
On 15 February 2012 13:35, Markus Boldt wrote:
> Hi,
>
> once, I think Footleg has had a so
to separate them from other lines in a complex drawing, and is also a
good way to divide the larger drawing up into separate parts to make scraps
for Therion.
Footleg
On 11 January 2012 07:46, Martin Sluka wrote:
> Really nobody trying Inkscape as map preeditor (excluding areas, slope
>
file works fine in Google Earth. I'll look forward to
a bug fix in Therion avoiding putting in the white space in due course ;-)
Footleg
On 21 November 2011 08:35, Martin Sluka wrote:
> The problem is here:
> Coordinates as they are: -2.75350079820942, 51.320
e the cave survey should appear then I see nothing there. I have
attached a very truncated sample kml file (I deleted most of the points
from the polygon to keep it simple.
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my maze in
half and get the first half to appear correctly in both KML and LOX.
Now to try and get the other half in a second scrap to work and to join them
back together in a single model.
Footleg
On 20 June 2011 21:24, Bruce wrote:
> ** **
>
> Yes,
>
> The âinternalâ
I have noticed that the KML file also only displays the inside of the loop,
and not the passages. But if you delete that line so there is no loop then
the KML displays as expected.
Footleg
On 20 June 2011 13:55, Footleg wrote:
> I cannot get a lox model to show the walls properly when I ad
build.
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the direction that the ceiling was lower (for roof height changes). So have
I drawn all my aven lines wrong for the past 5 years?
Footleg
On 13 June 2011 09:19, Martin Sluka wrote:
>
> On 13.6.2011, at 8:40, marco corvi wrote:
>
> i'm kind of confused:
>>
>>
Hi Graham,
As a temporary work around, install survex 1.1.14 which supports passage
dimension data but still generates .3d files that can be read by older
programs.
Footleg
On 4 May 2011 15:49, Graham Mullan wrote:
> Owing to some features of my dataset, including, as I have flagged
cave is now appearing in the correct position in Google Earth too.
Excellent, and thank you again!
Footleg
On 7 April 2011 19:28, Martin Budaj wrote:
> > I can try to compile from source code. I am on Windows, so some tips for
> > compiling would be handy (I am a Java developer
too familiar with
compiling other languages but can probably muddle through).
Footleg
On 5 April 2011 15:32, Martin Budaj wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Footleg wrote:
>
> > in UTM30 European 1979 Datum. This is not the same as the more common
> WGS84
>
> &
e
are using as far as I can tell.
Footleg
On 5 April 2011 15:13, Wookey wrote:
> +++ Footleg [2011-04-05 14:03 +0100]:
>
> > You can hopefully see what I am trying to do here:
> >
> > survey LosHoyos
> >
> > #fix 1.0 41.234567 -3.21012 213
> >
&g
fixed using the WGS84 Lat Long which I
have. Now I want to attach the stations imported from the .3d file to the
fixed point to correctly position the cave.
Footleg
On 26 March 2011 13:40, Footleg wrote:
> That appears to be the ED50 Datum. I need the EUR79 datum of everything is
> a
That appears to be the ED50 Datum. I need the EUR79 datum of everything is a
few hundred metres out of position.
Footleg
On 26 March 2011 12:43, Graham Mullan wrote:
> For Spain, try using EPSG 23030 for your cs
>
> see http://spatialreference.org/ref/epsg/23030/
&
y need the
UTM30N zone as all our caves using this coordinate system are in that zone.
Is this something which can be added please?
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scale sketches on paper before trying to therionise them.
Footleg
On 22 March 2011 19:27, Bruce wrote:
> I could have clarified a bit more.
>
> The problem that Footleg described when he tried to amend the example he
> sent (define the scraps as looking 090 deg) was because the
me up with an account to
allow me to edit wiki pages.
Footleg
On 22 March 2011 19:10, Bruce wrote:
> OK, a few routine syntactical things to sort out here, no bugs.
>
> Firstly to help debug I showed the centerline and added debug all to the
> layout. Then I could see what was goi
evation. But you can comment out
the 2nd one and then try to set a projection direction of 090 on both scraps
in the th2 file and get the errors. Why does changing the projection
direction for the second scrap cause the pdf generation to fail even if that
scrap is not used in the pdf?
Footleg
On 21 Mar
the scrap
type. So I tried elevation 90. Now my shaft is no longer appearing anywhere
near vertical in the elevation PDF and the chamber. Can anyone help me
please?
Screenshot of scrap, and pdfs with default elevation map and elevation 90
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the list.
Footleg
On 9 March 2011 15:33, Martin Budaj wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Footleg wrote:
> > Yes, I put in three stations, which are named to match stations in a
> survex
> > 3d file which is imported.
> > Exactly the same scrap in a th2 file on it&#x
u the complete project files if you need them.
Footleg
On 9 March 2011 14:44, Martin Sluka wrote:
>
> On 9.3.2011, at 15:38, Footleg wrote:
>
> My scrap is not that large.
>>
>
> Is it properly calibrated? Has it minimally two s
here?
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initialization file: C:\Program Files (x86)\Therion/therion.
I'll try to put
on some survey points and generate some output next.
Footleg
On 8 March 2011 10:36, Thomas Holder wrote:
> On Mar 8, 2011, at 10:22 AM, Footleg wrote:
>
>> - Regardless of what I name my layers in inkscape, my scraps get names
>> like 'layer1', &#
nd it would be
very handy if these could be exported as longer line objects in the th2
file?
Regards,
Footleg
On 8 March 2011 10:36, Thomas Holder wrote:
> On Mar 8, 2011, at 10:22 AM, Footleg wrote:
>
>> - Regardless of what I name my layers in inkscape, my scraps get names
>>
tes in the range 0-500
seem to work best. So scale the entire sketch in inkscape in that coordinate
range before converting to th2.
Footleg
On 7 March 2011 19:58, Thomas Holder wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I now wrote a short tutorial for the Inkscape import/export plugins on the
> therion wiki:
, or cave2.th2 to see
how it is fixed by adding a bit extra on the end of one wall.
All done using the current latest 5.3.6 update of Therion.
Footleg
> On 25/02/11 17:49, lada at blazcata.cz wrote:
>
>> If you can send me your data I can help you with debugging. Otherwise it
>&
ar to
affect the problem in the lox model. I can delete them all and it still
messes up the walls unless I make the ends about level with each other.
Footleg
2011/2/25 Ladislav Blažek
> Why you have "survey line" in your scraps? You need only points (station
> type) for orienta
lox
model messes up. I confirmed this by removing my extra bit of wall line from
the scrap, and then splitting the other wall line a couple of nodes up and
deleting the end bit off that wall. This renders fine too.
Footleg
On 25 February 2011 13:32, Footleg wrote:
> Following the discussions yes
messed
up. So what to the numbers after the warning mean? My wall lines were
imported from Inkscape.
The warnings:
[Warning: scrap outline intersects itself in scrap layer4 at Riano]
[Warning: scrap outline intersects itself in scrap layer4 at Riano] [8] [9]
[10]
(./mptextmp.mp) [11] )
Footleg
fixes the model.
Footleg
On 24 February 2011 18:47, Bruce wrote:
> >Simple scrap, but why does my lox model appear to only show the walls
> when seen from the wrong side?
>
> >I have checked that the wall lines all have the yellow tick pointing
> inside the passage. But half
hu, 24 Feb 2011 15:44:57 +0200, Ladislav Blažek
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 13:56:57 +, Footleg wrote:
>>
>>> After an excellent and most educational workshop on Therion run by
>>> Andrew Atkinson last weekend, I have finally started to get my teeth
&
t. If none exists then I will start making notes so that I
can contribute what I learn to the wiki as an example.
Footleg
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