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From: Remy Maucherat [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 12:38 AM
Subject: Re: [VOTE] minimal JSR 154 only distribution
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
on 2002/12/11 5:06 PM, Glenn Nielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED
Bill Barker wrote:
Urm, err, the users that can't read may include you ;-). Jon withdrew the
vote above. This means that this is officially 'not getting anywhere', at
least until Jon re-submits his re-worked proposal.
I know (and I can usually read, thanks), but since he's going to
resubmit
Remy Maucherat wrote:
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
on 2002/12/11 5:06 PM, Glenn Nielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Looking at the original vote I realize that what you ask can't be done.
Tomcat 4 is the RI of Servlet 2.3, JSR 154 is for Servlet 2.4. So it
isn't possible to create a JSR 154 only
Bill Barker wrote:
Urm, err, the users that can't read may include you ;-). Jon withdrew the
vote above. This means that this is officially 'not getting anywhere', at
least until Jon re-submits his re-worked proposal.
The fact that Jon withdrew the vote doesn't change any of the arguments
Costin Manolache wrote:
Bill Barker wrote:
I think we should just change the subject line - and have another vote
to make sure we're all on the same page.
Sure, go ahead :)
Remy
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Costin Manolache wrote:
Bill Barker wrote:
Urm, err, the users that can't read may include you ;-). Jon withdrew the
vote above. This means that this is officially 'not getting anywhere', at
least until Jon re-submits his re-worked proposal.
The fact that Jon withdrew the vote doesn't
Glenn Nielsen wrote:
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
on 2002/12/10 3:23 PM, Glenn Nielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Then we only have one download (perhaps large) but with a variety
of different installs.
Right now, I have to specially distribute Tomcat for Scarab. Instead,
I want
one small
The real issue with Jon's proposal is not the fact that admin ( or
any jsp ) won't run in the JSR154 distribution. It's more an issue
of attitude.
Yes, Jon can be annoying (and he is the second best person that I've seen at
punching Costin's buttons ;-). However, this is about a concept, not
Howdy,
As this is hopefully nearing a wrap-up vote...
Right. You need a distribution tailored for your use. Others may
have
slightly different dists they need. Where does it stop? Would we end
up
with 2-3 dozen different distributions? Tomcat can be used in so
many
different ways that it
Bill Barker wrote:
It seems to me that we've pretty much reached a consensus on this. I
agree with Glen's last post that what we should do is a core release
with nsi/rpm/ant scripts to download the additional components that are
required (and modify configs). The ant side could be similar
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From: Remy Maucherat [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 12:05 AM
Subject: Re: [VOTE] minimal JSR 154 only distribution
Glenn Nielsen wrote:
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
on 2002/12/10 3:23 PM, Glenn
Bill Barker wrote:
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Subject: Re: [VOTE] minimal JSR 154 only distribution
Glenn Nielsen wrote:
Jon Scott Stevens wrote
On Wed, Dec 11, 2002 at 01:36:02PM -0800, Amy Roh wrote:
Martin that too many distributions can be confusing for users. I vote for one
distribution with options to disable whatever you don't want. Simple yet
everyone gets only what they want.
I'm a newb here, but it seems to me the
Bill Barker wrote:
Well, (without checking), I believe that this one started last Friday and
Jakarta Votes last one-week. Unless you propose an additional Vote (which
will last one more week :), to replace this one, my count (of binding
votes)
is: 3 +1, 2 +0, 2 -0, 1 -1. I've also counted
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Dec 11, 2002 at 01:36:02PM -0800, Amy Roh wrote:
Martin that too many distributions can be confusing for users. I vote
for one
distribution with options to disable whatever you don't want. Simple yet
everyone gets only what they want.
I'm a newb here,
on 2002/12/11 1:36 PM, Amy Roh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I vote for one
distribution with options to disable whatever you don't want. Simple yet
everyone gets only what they want.
Amy
The vote was:
Create a separate minimal JSR 154 only distribution of Tomcat 4.x:
+1 []
0 []
Create a separate minimal JSR 154 only distribution of Tomcat 4.x:
+1 [ ]
0 [ ]
-1 [x]
[I will quickly change to a +1 if the minimal change I suggest is made. Others prob. will as well]
Explanation:
Beginners want ease of use over minimality because they want to get
started. They can't
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
on 2002/12/11 1:36 PM, Amy Roh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I vote for one
distribution with options to disable whatever you don't want. Simple yet
everyone gets only what they want.
Amy
The vote was:
Create a separate minimal JSR 154 only distribution of Tomcat 4.x:
On 12/12/02 1:06 Glenn Nielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Looking at the original vote I realize that what you ask can't be done.
Tomcat 4 is the RI of Servlet 2.3, JSR 154 is for Servlet 2.4. So it
isn't possible to create a JSR 154 only dist of Tomcat 4.
It is _NOT_... Tomcat is the servlet
on 2002/12/11 5:06 PM, Glenn Nielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Looking at the original vote I realize that what you ask can't be done.
Tomcat 4 is the RI of Servlet 2.3, JSR 154 is for Servlet 2.4. So it
isn't possible to create a JSR 154 only dist of Tomcat 4.
Glenn
Very good point. I
Pier Fumagalli wrote:
On 9/12/02 23:51 Pier Fumagalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ehemm... With 24 pages of vulnerability notes? Ha.. Hahaha Hahahaha! :-)
Correction to self... Not 24 pages... 24 notes... (Ok, I have an eyesight
test tomorrow morning at 10:20 in SOHO... I know, I know...)
Jeanfrancois Arcand wrote:
OK, seems I don't have any supports to stay with my -1 (seems nobody
care about the AdminTool argument :-)). So I will change my mind and
vote 0.
You don't have to justify anything for that vote, you know ;-)
BTW, all of Pier arguments are just false. Don't get
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
on 2002/12/9 7:27 AM, Remy Maucherat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd really like to avoid the proliferation of too many distributions.
I don't agree with that. There is nothing wrong with giving users choices.
There is many things something wrong with many
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
on 2002/12/9 7:32 AM, Henri Gomez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What about using a minimal tomcat core with plugged modules to give
access to jsp/jmx ?
Will make both Costin, and Jon happy and let us have only one
distribution with clear indication in server.xml on how
Pier Fumagalli wrote:
On 9/12/02 17:14 Jeanfrancois Arcand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Youy don't need to learn JSP/Admin Tool if you don't use it. The actual
Tomcat installation doesn't require you to learn the Admin Tool or JSP
As I said 6 or so months ago... That thing is a security
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
on 2002/12/9 8:21 AM, Remy Maucherat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
People cannot agree on everything. Here, we're talking about relatively
minor topics.
This issue won't end up in a division of the community, but rather in
one additional binary distribution based on the
on 2002/12/10 12:49 AM, Henri Gomez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- Who will be the release managers for the 'alternative distributions',
may be Jon is candidate ?
I already volunteered to manage the distribution that I propose.
I have been doing distributions of servlet containers since you guys
on 2002/12/10 12:53 AM, Henri Gomez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The idea being to provide a minimal tomcat binary and
many external modules which will be linked at runtime if
present, Apache 2.0 does it that way, why could we do the
same.
You are repeating my ideas that I have already said on
on 2002/12/10 1:00 AM, Remy Maucherat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
All I'm seeing is that I shouldn't pay attention to your posts (I should
have learnt that a while ago, I guess) ;-) Is that good enough for you ?
As Pier says:
What-EVER!
Sorry, no. You should try to give users as few
On 10/12/02 8:57 am, in article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Henri Gomez
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Pier Fumagalli wrote:
Pier (a _user_ now)
And that's sad.
Not apparently, as I am the reason why noone picked up Tomcat 4 :-)
Pier
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Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
on 2002/12/10 12:53 AM, Henri Gomez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The idea being to provide a minimal tomcat binary and
many external modules which will be linked at runtime if
present, Apache 2.0 does it that way, why could we do the
same.
You are repeating my ideas
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
on 2002/12/10 12:49 AM, Henri Gomez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- Who will be the release managers for the 'alternative distributions',
may be Jon is candidate ?
I already volunteered to manage the distribution that I propose.
I have been doing distributions of
Henri Gomez wrote:
The idea being to provide a minimal tomcat binary and
many external modules which will be linked at runtime if
present, Apache 2.0 does it that way, why could we do the
same.
Another solution can be seen in jboss. They do pack all the
components ( or almost ), but also 3
on 2002/12/10 2:36 AM, Henri Gomez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes but add the ability to activate/include modules, which is
the Costin idea ;)
Nope...Read my message with the ascii chart in it...
-jon
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on 2002/12/10 7:30 AM, Costin Manolache [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes - Jon will not be happy ( as far as I know Jon ) if jasper.jar
is anywhere in the distribution, even if it is not used.
If Jasper is in there, then it isn't a (repeat) 'minimal JSR 154 only
distribution.'
-jon
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Henri Gomez wrote:
Yes but add the ability to activate/include modules, which is
the Costin idea ;)
Actually - I think it is your idea :-) ( well, now it makes a lot
of sense - I'm in how didn't I think of it mode ).
That means I will drop my minimal proposal, or at least rewrite
it to be
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
on 2002/12/10 7:30 AM, Costin Manolache [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes - Jon will not be happy ( as far as I know Jon ) if jasper.jar
is anywhere in the distribution, even if it is not used.
If Jasper is in there, then it isn't a (repeat) 'minimal JSR 154 only
Costin Manolache wrote:
Henri Gomez wrote:
Yes but add the ability to activate/include modules, which is
the Costin idea ;)
Actually - I think it is your idea :-) ( well, now it makes a lot
of sense - I'm in how didn't I think of it mode ).
That means I will drop my minimal proposal, or
on 2002/12/10 2:52 PM, Costin Manolache [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What Remy and Costin are agreeing on is one tomcat release that includes
multiple profiles - so people can run jsr154 or minimal or default
or all.
(repeat) Which is what I already suggested.
I don't know why you have the
rant mode
I don't know why people have the impression that they need
support or some special motivation when voting on a proposal.
Yes - your admin tool argument doesn't make sense. You can easily
precompile the admintool ( and we should do it anyway ) and
run it in the JSR154-only container -
Why not have one distribution of Tomcat but with an ant installer
with different targets. The ant installer builds a layout of files
for running tomcat based on the target.
Then we only have one download (perhaps large) but with a variety
of different installs.
Some of the options could grab
on 2002/12/10 3:23 PM, Glenn Nielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Then we only have one download (perhaps large) but with a variety
of different installs.
Right now, I have to specially distribute Tomcat for Scarab. Instead, I want
one small download that I can point people at and tell them to
on 2002/12/10 3:15 PM, Costin Manolache [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes - your admin tool argument doesn't make sense. You can easily
precompile the admintool ( and we should do it anyway ) and
run it in the JSR154-only container - if you want to.
I thought that you need Jasper in order to run
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
on 2002/12/10 3:15 PM, Costin Manolache [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes - your admin tool argument doesn't make sense. You can easily
precompile the admintool ( and we should do it anyway ) and
run it in the JSR154-only container - if you want to.
I thought that
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
on 2002/12/10 3:23 PM, Glenn Nielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Then we only have one download (perhaps large) but with a variety
of different installs.
Right now, I have to specially distribute Tomcat for Scarab. Instead, I want
one small download that I can point
Yes - your admin tool argument doesn't make sense. You can easily
precompile the admintool ( and we should do it anyway ) and
run it in the JSR154-only container - if you want to.
I thought that you need Jasper in order to run JSP's (compiled or not).
Yes, you need them since even if the
on 2002/12/10 4:23 PM, Glenn Nielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Right. You need a distribution tailored for your use. Others may have
slightly different dists they need. Where does it stop? Would we end up
with 2-3 dozen different distributions? Tomcat can be used in so many
different ways
Jeanfrancois Arcand wrote:
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
on 2002/12/10 3:15 PM, Costin Manolache [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes - your admin tool argument doesn't make sense. You can easily
precompile the admintool ( and we should do it anyway ) and
run it in the JSR154-only container - if
Costin Manolache wrote:
Jeanfrancois Arcand wrote:
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
on 2002/12/10 3:15 PM, Costin Manolache [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes - your admin tool argument doesn't make sense. You can easily
precompile the admintool ( and we should do it anyway ) and
run it
on 2002/12/10 4:59 PM, Costin Manolache [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes - your admin tool argument doesn't make sense. You can easily
precompile the admintool ( and we should do it anyway ) and
run it in the JSR154-only container - if you want to.
I thought that you need Jasper in order to run
Jeanfrancois Arcand wrote:
Costin Manolache wrote:
Jeanfrancois Arcand wrote:
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
on 2002/12/10 3:15 PM, Costin Manolache [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes - your admin tool argument doesn't make sense. You can easily
precompile the admintool ( and
that there is a community out there for a Servlet-only
release, and IMHO, we should listen to them.
/soapbox
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From: Costin Manolache [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 11:32 PM
Subject: Re: [VOTE] minimal JSR 154 only distribution
Jon
Jeanfrancois Arcand wrote:
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
Create a separate minimal JSR 154 only distribution of Tomcat 4.x:
+1 []
0 []
-1 [X]
-jon
(1) Jasper is very a very small jar file.
(2) The Admin Tool should go with the minimal distribution of Tomcat. We
decided to
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
on 2002/12/7 9:37 AM, Glenn Nielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I will consider voting +1 if any of the other tomcat devs who want this
will volunteer to be the release manager for the servlet only distribution.
I would find this handy when using Tomcat as a SOAP server
Pier Fumagalli wrote:
On 8/12/02 0:43 Jon Scott Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
on 2002/12/7 4:25 PM, Pier Fumagalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jon, I'm very sorry mate, you're 4 months too late :-( I lost my fight about
this very same topic back then...
Maybe to late for your opinion, but
What I would love to see is a tree of downloads where each one gains more
and more features (it is additive). Such as:
JSR-154 Implementation
/ \
Jasper Velocity
/ \ \
Admin
Jeanfrancois Arcand wrote:
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
Create a separate minimal JSR 154 only distribution of Tomcat 4.x:
+1 []
0 []
-1 [X]
-jon
(1) Jasper is very a very small jar file.
(2) The Admin Tool should go with the minimal distribution of Tomcat. We
decided to
As an end user. I don't use the admin tool, don't know what it is. I do
use both JSP and Servlets.
M
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From: Glenn Nielsen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 09 December 2002 14:06
To: Tomcat Developers List
Subject: Re: [VOTE] minimal JSR 154 only distribution
I have interest in the admin tool - but I don't trust it yet and for my
production work - and I am still stuck on the 4.0.X series.
I think the admin tool is essential for a full distribution - but
useless in a minimal distribution. The user base wanting the min
distribution already have the
Jon,
Create a separate minimal JSR 154 only distribution of Tomcat 4.x:
+0, i could be +1 but i'm out of time to offer any help in tomcat as a
whole, and of course for this particular proposal, but i dont see
anything wrong in it, more i do see it as another step, in the GTU Path
( GTU stand
Ignacio J. Ortega wrote:
Jon,
Create a separate minimal JSR 154 only distribution of Tomcat 4.x:
+0, i could be +1 but i'm out of time to offer any help in tomcat as a
whole, and of course for this particular proposal, but i dont see
anything wrong in it, more i do see it as another step,
Remy Maucherat wrote:
If the vote actually passes, I'd like to have only one minimal Tomcat
distribution, which would mean no admin and no Jasper (with separate
optional Jasper binaries available). JMX can be used directly (using a
MX4J connector + MC4J, assuming MC4J updates to MX4J 1.1.1
Costin Manolache wrote:
Remy Maucherat wrote:
If the vote actually passes, I'd like to have only one minimal Tomcat
distribution, which would mean no admin and no Jasper (with separate
optional Jasper binaries available). JMX can be used directly (using a
MX4J connector + MC4J, assuming MC4J
Remy Maucherat wrote:
Costin Manolache wrote:
Remy Maucherat wrote:
If the vote actually passes, I'd like to have only one minimal Tomcat
distribution, which would mean no admin and no Jasper (with separate
optional Jasper binaries available). JMX can be used directly (using a
MX4J
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
One last point, we should be able to experiment around here. The negative
votes have been based on biases about what I think about Jasper and my
opinions.
They are not based on the idea that experimentation is a good
thing and I think that is just plain wrong and
Costin Manolache wrote:
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
One last point, we should be able to experiment around here. The negative
votes have been based on biases about what I think about Jasper and my
opinions.
They are not based on the idea that experimentation is a good
thing and I think that
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
What I would love to see is a tree of downloads where each one gains more
and more features (it is additive). Such as:
JSR-154 Implementation
/ \
Jasper Velocity
/ \
Glenn Nielsen wrote:
Jeanfrancois Arcand wrote:
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
Create a separate minimal JSR 154 only distribution of Tomcat 4.x:
+1 []
0 []
-1 [X]
-jon
(1) Jasper is very a very small jar file.
(2) The Admin Tool should go with the minimal distribution of
Henri Gomez wrote:
What about using a minimal tomcat core with plugged modules to give
access to jsp/jmx ?
There is already some support for that ( server/webapps is very similar
with the 3.3 modules - i.e. trusted components ). It'll need few changes
to deal with the loader issues ( i.e.
on 2002/12/9 7:27 AM, Remy Maucherat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd really like to avoid the proliferation of too many distributions.
I don't agree with that. There is nothing wrong with giving users choices.
-jon
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on 2002/12/9 7:32 AM, Henri Gomez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What about using a minimal tomcat core with plugged modules to give
access to jsp/jmx ?
Will make both Costin, and Jon happy and let us have only one
distribution with clear indication in server.xml on how to
activate/desactive
on 2002/12/9 7:51 AM, Costin Manolache [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No Jon - my vote wasn't based on your biasses about jasper, but on the
biasses of many members of the tomcat community.
So, you speak for these people? I don't think so.
5.0 was supposed to be the release we make togheter, as a
on 2002/12/9 8:21 AM, Remy Maucherat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
People cannot agree on everything. Here, we're talking about relatively
minor topics.
This issue won't end up in a division of the community, but rather in
one additional binary distribution based on the same codebase. I can
live
on 2002/12/9 9:14 AM, Jeanfrancois Arcand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I personally think that this is a much cleaner way of providing
distributions because it does not require people to learn or deal with
things they do not care about. Options are a good thing. Let's not limit
ourselves.
Youy
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
on 2002/12/9 7:51 AM, Costin Manolache [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No Jon - my vote wasn't based on your biasses about jasper, but on the
biasses of many members of the tomcat community.
So, you speak for these people? I don't think so.
No, I speak for myself. I
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
If Sun or anyone else wants to release a JSR154-only product - they
can do it and we should make it easy to do so.
I don't think we should do it ( as tomcat community ).
Why? So far, you haven't even given a real reason.
That may be because every reason you don't
On 9/12/02 3:59 Jeanfrancois Arcand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(2) The Admin Tool should go with the minimal distribution of Tomcat. We
decided to include JMX in Tomcat distribution...what's the point having
JMX and not the Admin Tool? Maybe JSP is not required by all Tomcat
users, but I'm sure
On 9/12/02 9:16 Jon Scott Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What I would love to see is a tree of downloads where each one gains more
and more features (it is additive). Such as:
JSR-154 Implementation
/ \
Jasper
On 9/12/02 17:14 Jeanfrancois Arcand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Youy don't need to learn JSP/Admin Tool if you don't use it. The actual
Tomcat installation doesn't require you to learn the Admin Tool or JSP
As I said 6 or so months ago... That thing is a security hole as big as
the Empire
Pier Fumagalli wrote:
On 9/12/02 17:14 Jeanfrancois Arcand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Youy don't need to learn JSP/Admin Tool if you don't use it. The actual
Tomcat installation doesn't require you to learn the Admin Tool or JSP
As I said 6 or so months ago... That thing is a
On 9/12/02 23:06 Jeanfrancois Arcand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Pier Fumagalli wrote:
On 9/12/02 17:14 Jeanfrancois Arcand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Youy don't need to learn JSP/Admin Tool if you don't use it. The actual
Tomcat installation doesn't require you to learn the Admin Tool or
On 9/12/02 23:51 Pier Fumagalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ehemm... With 24 pages of vulnerability notes? Ha.. Hahaha Hahahaha! :-)
Correction to self... Not 24 pages... 24 notes... (Ok, I have an eyesight
test tomorrow morning at 10:20 in SOHO... I know, I know...)
Pier
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Pier Fumagalli wrote:
They come up every now and then... That's why Costin wanted that
all-private for your eyes only noone who is not cross checked with the FBI
gets in security mailing list, right?...
Wrong. The list is for all tomcat committers - and all security information
will be posted
Pier Fumagalli wrote:
On 9/12/02 23:06 Jeanfrancois Arcand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Pier Fumagalli wrote:
On 9/12/02 17:14 Jeanfrancois Arcand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Youy don't need to learn JSP/Admin Tool if you don't use it. The actual
Tomcat installation doesn't require
On 10/12/02 0:30 Jeanfrancois Arcand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Now, don't tell me that ALL that collection of cruft doesn't have a bug...
It's just that we are lucky and noone found them yet (given enough eyes...
Linus says)...
I never say that and I will never says that. But I least I have
I guess the high art of potty humor is not lost on idiots. My buttocks
are clenched in anticipation for the Pier (C) and TM fart jokes. :)
Justyna
Pier Fumagalli wrote:
On 9/12/02 9:16 Jon Scott Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What I would love to see is a tree of downloads where each
On 10/12/02 1:06 Justyna Horwat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I guess the high art of potty humor is not lost on idiots. My buttocks
are clenched in anticipation for the Pier (C) and TM fart jokes. :)
Damn you know me far too well, Justy! :-)
Pier
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OK, seems I don't have any supports to stay with my -1 (seems nobody
care about the AdminTool argument :-)). So I will change my mind and
vote 0.
-- Jeanfrancois
Pier Fumagalli wrote:
On 10/12/02 0:30 Jeanfrancois Arcand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Now, don't tell me that ALL that
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
on 2002/12/7 4:25 PM, Pier Fumagalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jon, I'm very sorry mate, you're 4 months too late :-( I lost my fight about
this very same topic back then...
Pier
Maybe to late for your opinion, but honestly, I haven't been that impressed
with
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
Create a separate minimal JSR 154 only distribution of Tomcat 4.x:
+1 []
0 []
-1 [X]
-jon
(1) Jasper is very a very small jar file.
(2) The Admin Tool should go with the minimal distribution of Tomcat. We
decided to include JMX in Tomcat
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From: Jeanfrancois Arcand [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Tomcat Developers List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: [VOTE] minimal JSR 154 only distribution
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
Create a separate minimal JSR 154 only distribution
on 2002/12/8 7:59 PM, Jeanfrancois Arcand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(1) Jasper is very a very small jar file.
That isn't the question.
(2) The Admin Tool should go with the minimal distribution of Tomcat. We
decided to include JMX in Tomcat distribution...what's the point having
JMX and not
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Subject: Re: [VOTE] minimal JSR 154 only distribution
on 2002/12/8 7:59 PM, Jeanfrancois Arcand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(1) Jasper is very a very
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
requirement in JSR 154 to provide the Admin Tool, I don't see how your
argument is valid for what I'm proposing.
A majority vote doesn't require arguments or validity of arguments.
I like the idea or I don't like the idea is all that's needed.
Valid arguments are
on 2002/12/8 11:32 PM, Costin Manolache [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I hope that more tomcat committers will send at least a +0 or -0, and even
better +1 or -1. There is no need to get into too much debate - just yes
and no would help.
I agree. Especially since what Jeanfrancois was debating as
to the Costin-vote-watch, we still need at least one more
(binding) +1 to authorize a servlet-only release of Tomcat.
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Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 11:02 PM
Subject: RE: [VOTE] minimal JSR 154 only
On 6/12/02 16:09 Jon Scott Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Create a separate minimal JSR 154 only distribution of Tomcat 4.x:
+1 [X]
0 [ ]
-1 [ ]
Or simply use Jetty :-)
Pier
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Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
Create a separate minimal JSR 154 only distribution of Tomcat 4.x:
+1 []
0 []
-1 [X]
- I think this distribution doesn't have much interest (Jasper is rather
small + the vast majority of users want the feature)
- As the release manager, I feel lazy, and
Bill Barker wrote:
It would cause nightmares if you knew how badly I've got my e-mails
cross-linked :).
This is to +1 the original VOTE. While I'm personally a heavy JSP user,
having patched TC 3.3.x to allow it to run in servlet-only mode, I see the
need for offering a servlet-only
Remy Maucherat wrote:
- As the release manager, I feel lazy, and would like to minimize the
possibilities of screwing up a distribution
You don't have to do that - one of the people who voted +1 will have to
volunteer as release manager for that release, and they are supposed to
maintain it.
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