Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch Review in upcoming Stereophile issue

2010-08-24 Thread mdm
pfarrell;571580 Wrote: > > I'm amazed that the Transporter ever got reviewed. > http://www.pfarrell.com/ It costs enough to deserve review. Add zero to Touch's price and its review would be breathtaking. Mnyb;571587 Wrote: > > The future of audio is in streamed PC audio and Networked music >

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch & Classic in sync, can't play high-rez music!

2010-08-24 Thread Harmoniousdistortion
Phil Leigh;571441 Wrote: > It's the "Other Players" plugin... D'oh! I've already looked at that then! -- Harmoniousdistortion Harmoniousdistortion's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40015 View th

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch Review in upcoming Stereophile issue

2010-08-24 Thread Mnyb
mdm;571628 Wrote: > It costs enough to deserve review. Add zero to Touch's price and its > review would be breathtaking. > > Mike. It must be "improved" by some modder and thrown it into an aluminum box with handles first ;) don't forget the quantum purifiers.. -- Mnyb -

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] WiFiRemote possible with Touch+USBdisk

2010-08-24 Thread Konzales
It is just for finding the problem regarding your sync issue. It is not meant to be forever. If all is connected via LAN you avoid WLAN problems -- Konzales Konzales's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?user

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch & Classic in sync, can't play high-rez music!

2010-08-24 Thread Harmoniousdistortion
Mnyb;571421 Wrote: > Well exactly ! different persons do things differently , in my case both > the Touch and the classic are faster than me, my music picking process > is slower messier and more confused, and I often hesitate etc,so the > device catches up with me anyway . > > And "never" get a

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] WiFiRemote possible with Touch+USBdisk

2010-08-24 Thread lrossouw
mdm;571622 Wrote: > What the use to wire Touch if it has USB HDD as a source? I forgot that it is about usb, so you're right. -- lrossouw Louis 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/lrossouw) lrossouw's Profile: http://foru

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch Review in upcoming Stereophile issue

2010-08-24 Thread autopilot
pfarrell Wrote: > > Every serious magazine and newspaper separate the editorial side from > the advertising/business site. If the two sides cross, that is a > serious > breach of ethics. And accusing a magazine or newspaper of crossing > that > is a serious charge. > You should read the UK pub

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] WiFiRemote possible with Touch+USBdisk

2010-08-24 Thread mdm
Konzales;571640 Wrote: > It is just for finding the problem regarding your sync issue. It is not > meant to be forever. If all is connected via LAN you avoid WLAN > problems Yes, I understood, but even if with wired setup everything will be fine I won't use it. So now I'm looking for my Sheevapl

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] WiFiRemote possible with Touch+USBdisk

2010-08-24 Thread toby10
mdm;571672 Wrote: > Yes, I understood, but even if with wired setup everything will be fine > I won't use it. So now I'm looking for my Sheevaplug comming from eBay > following by the move to full SBS. > > Mike. Temporarily wiring players and/or server is only to see if WiFi is causing the issu

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Are there any cheap options for a Better Touch Power Supply?

2010-08-24 Thread woodnut
Many thanks again John. Phil Leigh;570300 Wrote: > The DC connector is soldered and you should not use shielded cable - > ordinary unshield twin-core will suffice. Anything that can take 5 amps > would be fine. The mains should be hardwired with 5 amp 3-core flexible > mains cable also. > Alt

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] WiFiRemote possible with Touch+USBdisk

2010-08-24 Thread mdm
toby10;571696 Wrote: > Temporarily wiring players and/or server is only to see if WiFi is > causing the issue so you don't end up chasing the wrong problem. > > Ex: if you were having problems with your home phone the problem could > be > - phone itself > - wiring inside the home > - wiring

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Downsample > 24/96 when Streaming PCM

2010-08-24 Thread JackOfAll
Phil Leigh;570422 Wrote: > Look, any DAC that ONLY does 16/44 or 16/48 IS a museum piece. The world > has moved on! 98% of my music library is 16/44.1. It sounds best to these ears played through a "museum piece" multi-bit dac. Each to his own.. -- JackOfAll --

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch & Classic in sync, can't play high-rez music!

2010-08-24 Thread Phil Leigh
Harmoniousdistortion;571629 Wrote: > D'oh! I've already looked at that then! Did it not do what you want? -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Tri

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Japanese characters not displaying correctly

2010-08-24 Thread Konzales
@mherger: Don't misunderstand me, I like my Squeezeboxes. Are you going to do something about this issue or do you have a solution already? -- Konzales Konzales's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Downsample > 24/96 when Streaming PCM

2010-08-24 Thread Phil Leigh
JackOfAll;571732 Wrote: > 98% of my music library is 16/44.1. It sounds best to these ears played > through a "museum piece" multi-bit dac. Each to his own.. I didn't say they couldn't sound OK - the key word was "only"... 15% of my collection is > 24/48... -- Phil Leigh You want to see

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Are there any cheap options for a Better Touch Power Supply?

2010-08-24 Thread Phil Leigh
woodnut;571705 Wrote: > Many thanks again John. > > > > > > > Is there a reason why the cable on the DC side should not be shielded? > Would there be any benefit in using a shield which is connected to > earth via the earth wire in the cable on the AC side? > > > Many thanks. I do not be

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Downsample > 24/96 when Streaming PCM

2010-08-24 Thread Mnyb
But should not proper DAC's ignore the bits they can't handle . Is not the spdif standard made that way ? IF you keep volume at 100% all the would not the 8 bottom bits be zeros and they could safely be discarded by 16bit dac's . Or is this a never update to spdif ? -- Mnyb -

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Downsample > 24/96 when Streaming PCM

2010-08-24 Thread Phil Leigh
Mnyb;571755 Wrote: > But should not proper DAC's ignore the bits they can't handle . > Is not the spdif standard made that way ? > > IF you keep volume at 100% all the would not the 8 bottom bits be zeros > and they could safely be discarded by 16bit dac's . > > Or is this a never update to spd

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Downsample > 24/96 when Streaming PCM

2010-08-24 Thread JackOfAll
Phil Leigh;571746 Wrote: > I didn't say they couldn't sound OK - the key word was "only"... 15% of > my collection is > 24/48... It's probably best not to drag this thread off-topic into a oversampling, NOS, upsampling, ASRC, DNR, multi-bit, sigma, blah, blah blah, debate. My point was that

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Japanese characters not displaying correctly

2010-08-24 Thread MickeyG
Konzales;571744 Wrote: > @mherger: Don't misunderstand me, I like my Squeezeboxes. Are you going > to do something about this issue or do you have a solution already? You've unfortunately encountered 3 basic issues with our character handling. Here's our plan for them. We'll not be able to addre

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Downsample > 24/96 when Streaming PCM

2010-08-24 Thread Phil Leigh
JackOfAll;571766 Wrote: > It's probably best not to drag this thread off-topic into a > oversampling, NOS, upsampling, ASRC, DNR, multi-bit, sigma, blah, blah > blah, debate. > > My point was that most of my collection is 16/44.1 and for the most > part I choose to listen to "museum piece" N

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Downsample > 24/96 when Streaming PCM

2010-08-24 Thread JackOfAll
Phil Leigh;571774 Wrote: > Well OK - lets say "obsolete" then :-) You'll struggle to buy one new > these days. There won't be a widespread 16-bit DAC revival anytime > soon.. Well, not so much struggle to find one, as need to have to have deep pockets. Phil Leigh;571774 Wrote: > NOS Dac's are

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Japanese characters not displaying correctly

2010-08-24 Thread Konzales
Thanks for the info, at least I know were I am :-) One more question: Do you have a rough time schedule for the next major release? It is 7.6, isn't it? -- Konzales Konzales's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Downsample > 24/96 when Streaming PCM

2010-08-24 Thread Mnyb
Phil Leigh;571763 Wrote: > You are correct. @100% the bottom 8 LSB's are zero and not relevant / > handled identically by a 16 or 24-bit DAC. > > > As for multi-bit...I happen to prefer upsampling + oversampling > delta-sigma DAC's for the beneficial (to my ears) changes to the > filtering arch

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Japanese characters not displaying correctly

2010-08-24 Thread Mnyb
MickeyG;571769 Wrote: > You've unfortunately encountered 3 basic issues with our character > handling. Here's our plan for them. We'll not be able to address them > immediately, however: > > > > - *Bugs in handling mixed Latin and non-Latin characters*. Mixing > German and Korean doesn't

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Downsample > 24/96 when Streaming PCM

2010-08-24 Thread JackOfAll
Mnyb;571793 Wrote: > Ok the that would imply that 24/96 or 24/196 downsampled to 24/48 would > work perfectly on an 16bit DAC that's supports 48kHz sampling frequency > provided you keep the volume at 100% > If the DAC only supports 44.1kHz It would still go with 24/88.2 and > 14/172.4kHz downsam

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Japanese characters not displaying correctly

2010-08-24 Thread MickeyG
Mnyb;571795 Wrote: > What about all bug's with nordic languages inside sbs ? Björk anyone . > Tags scanning BMF etc ? That's included too. Most of this work would be in Squeezebox Server. Mickey -- MickeyG Transporter > Classé Audio DR6 > Mark Levinson 23 > Wilson Watt 3/Puppy 1/Martin Loga

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Downsample > 24/96 when Streaming PCM

2010-08-24 Thread Mnyb
JackOfAll;571799 Wrote: > Regardless of the sampling rate, if a 16 bit word is padded with zeros > to make a 24 bit word then truncated back to a 16 bit word at the DAC > then you're not losing resolution. If the starting point was a 24 bit > word where the LSB's contained real data then you're g

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Japanese characters not displaying correctly

2010-08-24 Thread Mnyb
MickeyG;571804 Wrote: > That's included too. Most of this work would be in Squeezebox Server. > > Mickey You will be soo happy (me too) , I spamm bugzilla now and then with bug reports about this :) this is my pet peeve . -- Mnyb -

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Downsample > 24/96 when Streaming PCM

2010-08-24 Thread Phil Leigh
Mnyb;571809 Wrote: > Yes that is understood. > > But fellow forum member fairfax wanted *"Downsample 24/96 > 16/44 > FLAC"* > > 24/44 or 48 would work but be truncated as you say .But they would > "work". > You get rounding errors, but would they be noticed in the context of > NOS dac's ? > >

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Downsample > 24/96 when Streaming PCM

2010-08-24 Thread JackOfAll
Mnyb;571809 Wrote: > > But fellow forum member fairfax wanted *"Downsample 24/96 > 16/44 > FLAC"* > > 24/44 or 48 would work but be truncated as you say .But they would > "work". > I might be stating the obvious here, but surely the best thing for this chap is to add a FLAC->FLAC rule to down

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Downsample > 24/96 when Streaming PCM

2010-08-24 Thread fairfax
Following this discussion caused me to go back to look at the specs of my old DAC. It is a Sonic Frontiers SFD-2 MkII. What makes this DAC a little different is its tubed output stages. The unit can play HDCD using PMD100 output decoder and has 20 bit UltraAnalog DAC's. The PMD100 filter is used

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch Review in upcoming Stereophile issue

2010-08-24 Thread rbz5416
danull;571554 Wrote: > The SB Touch is advertised as having SBS built in. I have never seen it > advertised as having a gimped SBS built in that performs 5-10 times > slower than SBS running on an aging desktop. You have already formed > what I consider to be a "lowered expectation" and can use

[SlimDevices: Touch] Just stops playing

2010-08-24 Thread tullace
I thought I was done. Started enjoying the new squeezebox after loading loads of music into iTunes. I figured out how to play several albums in a row. Sit back to listen for a few hours... About 40 minutes into the music, the squeezebox stops playing. No error messages or anything, just no m

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch Review in upcoming Stereophile issue

2010-08-24 Thread Mnyb
danull;571554 Wrote: > The SB Touch is advertised as having SBS built in. I have never seen it > advertised as having a gimped SBS built in that performs 5-10 times > slower than SBS running on an aging desktop. You have already formed > what I consider to be a "lowered expectation" and can use

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Have SBS scan USB HD, write database for TinySBS?

2010-08-24 Thread JJZolx
Good question, but I don't think there's any way to bypass the 'renew database' scan whenever you first start TinySbS or when you attach a USB drive. As for the long first-time scan for a new drive, I suppose that for a large drive it's one of those things best done as you're going to bed, in the

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch Review in upcoming Stereophile issue

2010-08-24 Thread iPhone
pfarrell;571580 Wrote: > On 08/23/2010 10:11 PM, JJZolx wrote: > >> Which is yet another statement that reflects a complete lack of > >> understanding of the business. > > What I'm saying is > > that getting reviewed in the first place has always been the key and > > the biggest question mark s

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Downsample > 24/96 when Streaming PCM

2010-08-24 Thread JackOfAll
fairfax;571859 Wrote: > Would resampling all touch output to 24/48 cause a problem with the > sound of 16/44.1 playback? I personally wouldn't go that way with sox upsampling your 16/44.1 files (which is probably the bulk of your collection) to 24/48. SQ will be affected negatively based on my e

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Have SBS scan USB HD, write database for TinySBS?

2010-08-24 Thread iPhone
808htfan;570462 Wrote: > I don't remember where, but I think I read that TinySBS is just SBS > running in a limited mode or something to that effect. So is it > possible to add the capability for SBS running on a PC to scan a USB HD > as TinySBS would, write the database info, and have TinySBS u

[SlimDevices: Touch] Dynamic Playlists Based on File Resolution

2010-08-24 Thread clar2391
I just bought a Touch and I'm loving it so far. I'm using FLAC files and I have mostly 16/44.1 files ripped from my CD collection. I have a few 24/48, 24/88.2, and 24/96 files from DVD-Audio discs and downloads. The standard resolution files and the hi-resolution files are mixed in with each othe

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Just stops playing

2010-08-24 Thread JohnSwenson
Hi Scott, first some questions about your setup: 1. are you running Squeezebox Server (SBS) on a computer or have you plugged a USB drive into the Touch? 2. if SBS is on a computer what type of computer and what OS is running on it? 3. what file types are you playing (WAV, FLAC, MP3 etc)? 4.

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Dynamic Playlists Based on File Resolution

2010-08-24 Thread lrossouw
It should be possibly I think. You'd probably need to customise the query (sql) manually. I can try to this up for you. -- lrossouw Louis 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/lrossouw) lrossouw's Profile: http://forums.sl

[SlimDevices: Touch] Need to Enable 'FLAC'?

2010-08-24 Thread souwalker
Hi I read somewhere that for Touch to encode FLAC, this have to be setup in some settings? I plan to hook up the Touch to mynhome network (ethernet) this weekend to test. I've already installed SSOTS/server on my QNAP NAS. Rgds Pat -- souwalker ---

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Need to Enable 'FLAC'?

2010-08-24 Thread Mnyb
No it decodes them rigth of the bat, no problem. It's actually the other way around , manipulating the file types settings or fiddling with the convert.conf files can get you this very problem :) Install squeezebox server 7.5.2 or run the Touch as a standalone player with a recent firmware 7.5.1

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Need to Enable 'FLAC'?

2010-08-24 Thread souwalker
Thanks Mnyb That's good to know. Yes QNAP must install the SSOTS for QNAP and the 7.5.1 separately. All is installed on QNAP an working from what I can see. All that's left for me to do is hook up the Touch via ethernet, get IP address, point to the playlist folder in my QNAP and analogue L/R to

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Need to Enable 'FLAC'?

2010-08-24 Thread Mnyb
souwalker;571931 Wrote: > Thanks Mnyb > That's good to know. > Yes QNAP must install the SSOTS for QNAP and the 7.5.1 separately. All > is installed on QNAP an working from what I can see. > > All that's left for me to do is hook up the Touch via ethernet, get IP > address, point to the playlist

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Need to Enable 'FLAC'?

2010-08-24 Thread souwalker
Mnyb;571934 Wrote: > it has only one volume, it's the same but different interfaces, volume > works both the analog out and the digital out. in upcoming release > there will be a setting to lock the volume at 100% (it's in the 7.6 > beta now) Thank you. Rgds -- souwalker -