No worries, you're absolutely right that you, triode, and others have
better things to do than play-acting, regardless of how entertaining it
may be for the rest of us.
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gerardhn wrote:
This are real facts :
1.I know this thread, I find it a shit discussion. Intellectually. Of
people of who prejudiced from their cleverness. Your thread, your link
is pseudo scientific opinion reasoning.
And your line of 'reasoning' is not even pseudo-scientific. As Triode
rikb wrote:
but i can't seem to do some other things that it seems i should:
- mount its filesystem via ftps://
- access what i gather is an apache/HTML GUI view of the SBT's main
configuration options via touch.ip.num:9000
snip
finally, if i wanted to load some addition *nix
gerardhn wrote:
Feeding the same dac with the same usb cable in the same room with the
same ripped music... sounds clearly different.
Is that not good enough to make conclusion? For me thats scientific
enough.
Well, it is scientific enough to conclude that, in your opinion,
gerardhn
To hear such dramatic differences you must be one of those with golden
ears and a very revealing system. If that is the case, I can't fathom
why you would want to (a) have a hard drive in you listening room,
unless it is a truly silent SSD, and (b) run the SBT's built-in server,
which people who
It's probably too early to get much useful longevity information on the
Touch, but for what it's worth I've had my Touch in regular use since
around March 2009. That's a little over one year before the release date
because I was one of the lucky ones who was a beta hardware tester.
There are
Monzaboy wrote:
Hi guys just got a SBT and wondering which gives the best sound in your
guys experience streaming wifi from a pc or a hd direct into the rear
usb socket.
I would vote for option 3: streaming from a pc via ethernet. But more
seriously, there are all kinds of claims on this
Squeezeplay and Touch are not essentially the same. The interface is the
same, but that's it. And the Touch was indeed released in April 2010
(see http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Hardware_comparison, which
also indicates the minimum server version as 7.5).
So you'll need to update the
Good recommendations from toby10 and Mnyb, and to get more specific
recommendations it would really help to know the size of the room, what
type(s) of music you listen to, and especially, your budget.
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stop-spinning wrote:
and include the fact that I would be using wireless which is superior
on the Sonos
I suppose, to quote a former US president, -...that depends on what
your definition of 'is' is- IMO there is nothing inherently
superior about Sonos' mesh network. Now, it may
garym wrote:
the delay reported by amazon on products rarely has anything to do
with actual availability of inventory.
although this may be one of those rare cases ;-)
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philipbergman wrote:
How do I clear the cache? I know how to do it in Squeezepad on the iPad
but not at server level.
If you are running LMS on Windows I believe there is an option in LMS
Control Panel thingy to clear the cache. I don't know much about that
since I don't run LMS on Windows.
Hazim wrote:
I mean, there are tons of media players around, to which you can just
plug in your HDD via USB - and they are immediately ready to play
anything from the attached HDD - be it music, movies, photos, etc.
I confess that I'm not that familiar with this particular species of
device.
Thebiglebowski wrote:
This is after weeks of trying, I was hoping to get support from Logitech
but hey haven't responded to any (non ranty) emails. I doubt if it is
user error, I design very large ip voice networks and have already setup
my main naim system with an ndx and this is for my
garym wrote:
or create a short mp3 file that has whatever sound and/or silence that
you want. Save it as a favorite and make it your third alarm.
Finally a use for those annoying silent tracks that are on some albums
between the main album and the bonus tracks! Try A Quiet Moment
from Peter
Then either Cyberduck is at fault or your configuration. If you get in
via ssh then you have clearly enabled the Touch's remote login feature.
And the Touch definitely supports scp. For scp I use WinSCP and it
throws 1-2 error messages up at login, but if I just click OK on the
annoying error
Not sure about the answer to the first question, but to change stations
at a predetermined time you could set another alarm, with the different
station as the alarm.
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I'm not familiar with Cyberduck, but as far as I know the Touch does not
support SFTP. It does support ssh and scp protocols. So if Cyberduck has
scp support, try that. Or go into the Touch via terminal and ssh, and
then use the scp command.
jeromeharris wrote:
You're probably quite correct. My 1.5 TB figure is based on knowing that
a commercial CD will fit onto a CD-R (700 MB capacity); 700 MB x 2000
CDs = 1.335 TB. Of course, commercial CDs are seldom holding the maximum
capacity of data, but I've never looked for an actual
Yes, the question bright compared to what? has been asked at least
twice, but not answered yet. And good point re expectations, especially
with the OP's equating of bright with digital (as if CDs were
analog...).
aubuti's
Here's my two cents.
First, how do you figure you have 1.5 TB of data? If you rip to FLAC
then I expect 2000 CDs would require 0.75-1 TB of disk space. Don't get
me wrong -- futureproofing is a good idea and drive prices are
ridiculously cheap. But the drives could very well die before you get
JohnSwenson wrote:
Not completely true, there is a slight dimming of the display which
always happens a few seconds after you stop touching the screen, this
will always happen, no matter what else is going on. My understanding
was that this was added to increase the life of the screen. There
Jumping in on some questions you asked me, and more that you asked John
S:
jeromeharris wrote:
Does MySqueezebox.com allow players to receive music from a local
server's storage, as well as from Internet sources? Not that I foresee
my wanting to do that...
No, mysb.com doesn't see your local
Welcome to the Squeezebox (SB) world. You've got a whole lot of
questions in your first post, mixed in with some correct observations
and some apparent misperceptions. I don't think I can address all of
them, but I'll try to get to the key ones.
First, just because the wifi in your listening
guidof wrote:
There is nothing that needs burn-in time in the Touch. But it's still a
good idea to listen to a variety of music over a few weeks so that you
may fully familiarize yourself with the sound and decide whether or not
it meets your expectations.
Agreed. My earlier suggestion about
I am not near my SB to test right now, but let me send a question back
at you: when you start playing a track using the Music Folder, does only
that track appear in the current playlist, or do all the tracks in that
folder appear in the current playlist? I suspect it may be the former,
which
Based on zero info about what you already have and zero info about what
you might want, you could go for getting maximum value for that 50% off,
which I believe would be the 'Ultimate Ears Personal Reference Monitors'
joe90 wrote:
If it is a known problem I guess I wll have to buy a new pair of glasses
to read the screen as I do like the improvement TT3 brings
not sure if it's a known problem, but for the price of a new pair of
specs you could probably get a good handheld controller, such as an iPod
Touch
joe90 wrote:
So I'm correct in assuming that you should be able to turn the Touch off
via the screen?
Absolutely. Except that off is only ever standby. Real, full off can
only be reached by unplugging the Touch from the electrical outlet.
diego wrote:
In my experience, and I have used it many times, when you hold the
buttom 10 seconds, it starts factory reset. Does nothing else, even if
you press it longer. But I might be wrong...
That's it, pretty much. A short press just does a reboot, and a
press-and-hold in the range of
toby10 wrote:
Then buy a Transporter? The non-mass market SqueezeBox? :)
Good point. And post #1 the OP lamented that no one is selling the TP.
Maybe not in the OP's country, but it shouldn't be that hard to organize
a purchase of a TP SE, which Logitech is currently selling in the US.
He'll
fallenguru wrote:
They were trying to accommodate users who couldn't have/didn't
want to have a computer/full server running.
[...]
Especially if one considers that probably the fastest growing part of
the market doesn't have a local music collection, but instead listens
to
diego wrote:
... I am looking for a way to back up this configuration to be able to
restore it, also, if one day Triode's Test-Kernel #11 or Beta 7.8.0 are
maybe not available online anymore.
I haven't used the EDO software so I don't know how it is packaged, but
the simpler and more
rayman1701 wrote:
I don't think they were trying to take away any functionality with
having the mysqueezebox.com option. They were trying to accommodate
users who couldn't have/didn't want to have a computer/full server
running. So for those that just want to listen to internet radio, or
garym wrote:
You may want to move to powerplugs to get Ethernet over power lines to
your touch. Can work very well.
Or if the router and Touch are really only 10 feet apart, just go with
plain Ethernet over cat5e cable. Even if one needs to take circuitous
route between the two it is probably
I don't quite know what you mean by ...does not seem to tag on the
Touch's..., but one option is to enable the Touch's remote login (under
Settings Advanced) and login with a ssh client, WinSCp, or similar
tool. Then find where the sound effects files are on the Touch and
replace them with audio
I haven't tried using the applet to customize the sounds. But if you
want the easy way, you can always make it even just quieter via
Settings Audio Settings Sound Effects.
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It is not possible to organize your Favorites stored on
mysqueezebox.com. It is possible to organize Favorites on LMS, but it's
subtle and a bit clunky.
In the LMS web interface, go to Favorites and hover over the Favorites
line. You should see an icon for a pencil. A rather short, fat pencil.
garym wrote:
Now the above only works for your local LMS, not mysb.com favorites.
There's been lots of requests to add folder capability to mysb.com
favorites. There is an easy workaround to get this however.
1. Create your local LMS favorites with folders, etc.
2. copy your
Here's the enhancement request for favorites folders on mysb.com:
http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8692. One can vote for it,
but I wouldn't hold my breath as it has been around for almost 4 years
(back when mysb.com was SqueezeNetwork)
Backing up everything seems like overkill to me (especially because
released firmware is available from
http://update.slimdevices.com/update/firmware/). But if you really want
to back up everything the most straightforward way is to enable remote
login on the SBT and then copy all the files over
If by 'web' you mean the internet, then
1. mysb.com is on the web
2. LMS is on your local pc (if you installed it)
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Well I'm not an IT pro, but there is no need to switch at all if your
local LMS server is still running. Everything that is available under
mysb.com is also available through LMS. You want internet radio? Go
through the internet radio menu. You want a Favorite? Go through the
Favorites menu.
If
Mardler wrote:
So, my question is - why isn't there a comprehensive manual describing,
from first principles, how to set up LST and then, in more detail, ALL
of the more sophisticated stuff e,g. 3rd party plugins? OK, I know folks
here will quote open source at me but the average buyer isn't
Mardler wrote:
Not GUI, just UI. IOW the user experience is not simple, intuitive or
helpful especially on the LST (LMS MySB are a bit better I must
admit).
The software is typical open source: developed by a bunch of geeks with
little or no top down design and no thought for useability.
Mardler wrote:
I mean *.mp4.
Ok, that's clearer now, since *.m4a files are MP4 audio (MP4 being a
container). Do you know what the encoding is for the audio in your
*.mp4 files? I'm no expert on codecs, but it would seem that if the
audio in the *.mp4 files is encoded in something that SB
eddyther wrote:
The bad thing is that when you want to transfer more music, you have to
unplug the the drive and reescan again.
Why? You should be able to transfer files over the network with the
drive still attached to the Touch. Then you do need to rescan, but a
new and changed scan should
I agree that it sounds like a defect and should be repaired/replaced
(likely the latter), but one more thing to check: does the loss of
volume occur with internet radio as well as local music files?
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That is something that Logitech produced in small numbers (apparently),
briefly floated a price of around US$50, and then abandoned. I received
one during the Touch hardware beta testing, but lord knows where it is
now. There are one or two threads with a series of pics showing what one
of the
Mardler wrote:
It remains a nasty product; the user interface is appalling.
Which UI? There are at least 5 or 6 (web interface, touchscreen/infrared
remote, Logitech smartphone app, iPeng, SqueezePad,)
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LeeA wrote:
you're saying the IPOD has it's own DAC so I wouldn't need/want the
fancy/schmancy i20-Pure dock...even tho it's supporters say it creates
better sound cuz the signal out of the IPOD is reconverted into digital,
via the i-20, before it enters my 30 yo non-dig receiver.
Close,
If you buy a Vortexbox Appliance it is a works-right-out-of-th-box
solution. It is a low powered pc with the Vortexbox software
per-installed.
One problem with #1, and your thought about tossing the CDs entirely,
may be the quality of your current copies. What format are they in on
the USB
LeeA wrote:
and as I'd would be wanting better digital sound just
Remembering the 5 yo advice...hey, youngster, digital isn't necessarily
better. And you certainly can't listen to it.
Whether your music is on CDs or USB sticks, it is already digital. To
listen to it, you need to have it
Maybe this is sacrilege, or asking about the elephant in the room, but
why is it you want a SB at work, especially when you're not allowed to
run a server? Do you have a really nice audio system at work?
It may sound rather Luddite, but why not hook up the external drive to
your pc and play the
badhack wrote:
Hi there, two reasons:
Very interesting. Makes sense to me.
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saxon wrote:
Thanks for your replies - happily I found I could delete the playlists
by selecting them with a very long push on the touchscreen and up came
the menu to delete them!
I realize that it might simply be the wrong choice of words, but just in
case not, please note that you don't
badhack wrote:
I'm still interested in knowing the following:
If I plug in a NAS to the ethernet port, will that disable the wireless?
IOW can I have my cake and eat it too (i.e. stream wireless and have the
NAS)?
Sorry, I don't follow. If you connect a NAS that is running LMS to the
badhack wrote:
This should be WAY more than enough to hold a 1,000 song playlist and a
scanner that works better.
Don't overlook that it would also have to do this while decoding from
FLAC or other codec, possibly in 24/96, without any hiccup whatsoever in
the playback. Some of the devs have
badhack wrote:
Well, the playlist is created before playback begins. The playlist is
just a memory structure. It holds the path to the file and some meta
info like Artist Name, Song name, file type, etc. Does it consume CPU
time during playback? Doubt it.
I think you'll find a _lot_ of SB
mlsstl wrote:
So, at this point, you've got a couple of choices. You can use the Touch
with a server and enjoy good performance. You can use the internal
server and get frustrated, or you can start hacking the Linux OS and do
things your way. You can also dump the Touch and find another
murrayb wrote:
On the bright side, at least I don't have to go out and buy any Alvin
The Chipmunks albums. :-)
Actually if the SB is speeding everything up then you need to go in the
other sonic direction. Maybe Tom Waits?
catcando wrote:
Thanks again for the explanation. I tried logging into the Touch, but
the way things are set up, I have to change some settings and cables
around to log into the Touch, so I will happily give it a miss.
Normally the only setting you need to change is to activate the remote
Benvenuto Antonio. Unfortunately for you, the Touch can only read one
partition from a hard drive that is directly connected to it. If the
hard drive were on a computer running the Logitech server software
(Logitech Media Server, or LMS), then you could use both partitions.
One other possibility
m13kyf wrote:
What is the best software to use if I have to re rip all my cd's. Media
Monkey? Can I convert WAVs to FLAC's in Media Monkey and do you use
Media Monkey to tag the files with artwork.
Why would you re-rip your CDs? As long as the rips to WAV went ok
(although you can't be 100%
bencat wrote:
None of this is changing this all the abums when viewed on SBT and on
Squeezebox server on line have duplicates in them . However if I look in
each of the folders in my music folder on HD the labums only have the
correct number of tracks no duplicates . This has to be somehting
contrast11 wrote:
Thank you for the helpful and prompt reply. Before searching, I was
unfamiliar with a Vortex Box. For me, I don't exactly need the ability
to rip CDs. I forgot to mention in my OP - ideally, I would like to be
able to add/remove/edit my files on the networked HDD from my
One more tip. If you're interested in doing a little bit of the work
yourself and you're in the US, newegg.com is a great source for low-cost
PCs and components. Search on term barebone at their site and you'll
find plenty of options.
krochat wrote:
1) Choose Player should be set to Squeezebox Touch
2) The Vortexbox player plays though the sound card of the Vortexbox
PC.
3) Do not synchronize. This will play the same music through all
synchronized devices, and is not needed for your setup
4) Logitech Media Server MUST
albertone74 wrote:
Tha's the point I have no closets at all!
And no other rooms besides the listening room? I understand that studio
apartments exist, but why so cryptic with the I don't have a choice??
aubuti's
albertone74 wrote:
I don't think I was cryptic.. I was just asking an advice about the
choice of a potential music server...if I say that I have no choice is
because I have my reasons...that's it!
Whatever. I happened to have a hard time parsing the multiple negatives
in Unfortunately I have
Sounds like a plan. One more thing to check out is whether they support
ACPI suspend or hibernate and also Wake-on-LAN. Depending on your
listening habits, you may find the computer noise more annoying when
you're _not_ playing music, in which case it's very convenient to be
able to put the
Baronvonkarp wrote:
Thanks SBGK, I was wondering, I am looking on my PC to find these files,
but am I looking correctly or do I need to look on my Squeezebox for
these files??
The files are on the Squeezebox Touch.
I'm not sure about specific green / low noise HDDs, but as a general
recommendation you are usually better off with 2.5 HDD (ie, laptop
drives) than 3.5 drives. The downside is the max capacity of 2.5 isn't
as high, and the cost per GB is higher.
Here's something that's not exactly what you're looking for, but a few
steps easier than your current arrangement. Use a program such as
streamripper (streamripper.sourceforge.net) to record the radio to MP3
on your pc. Then copy the the mp3 file(s) to the USB drive attached to
your Touch, and do
Do you have any playlists? Usually they have the filename extension
.m3u, but other extensions are possible. Several people have been
tripped up by this, especially if their ripping program is set to
automatically create a .m3u playlist that is simply the album tracks in
order. If that's the
Then the ReadyNAS is probably the culprit, but to confirm, you could try
temporarily running LMS on a decent computer and see if you get dropouts
with hi-res files in that configuration.
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guidof wrote:
Vortexbox (the software) does not work only when loaded in a Vortexbox
Appliance (VBA). It also works fine when loaded in some other
linux-based computer
It looks like the OP has things sorted out, but just a clarification.
The Vortexbox software is an entire Linux distribution
sponsford wrote:
Is there a good way of powering off/rebooting without just pulling the
plug?
Use the reset button, which is on the back of the Touch, on the
left-hand side as you face the front of the Touch. A short press and
hold (2-3 secs) will reboot. A long press-and-hold (~10-15 secs)
theadmans wrote:
It is Windows XP - when I reboot the LMS icon flashes as it loads in the
system tray (takes a good couple of minutes before it says it is
running). However, when I exit the running software and restart with my
Desktop icon it seems to load straight away. The fact that the
No, you shouldn't need to do any library switching. I have no idea why
the SB can't find mysqueezebox.com when connected to your regular LMS,
but can when connected via the Touch's built-in LMS (which is what the
USB stick is using). Try rebooting your router to see if that takes care
of the
What OS, and exactly how are you restarting LMS? On Linux I don't notice
any difference between restarting LMS vs rebooting the pc.
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The SB Controller (SBC) and Touch are different network devices, and
therefore must have different IP addresses. So if they have the same IP
address, that's a problem for sure.
Just to rule out a possible source of the problem, you are using only
one router, right?
If you have only one router
albertone74 wrote:
Many thanks for your kind responses. I am vey happy with my sistem and
it is working great without no drop-outs at all. I must admit that I was
tempted by the ethernet connection as I have read somewhere in this
forum that the wired connection 'sounds' better than the WIFI
I suppose when you embed ex post the operation takes a long time because
it is rewriting each and every file into which you are embedding album
art. With typical FLAC file sizes of 30-60MB that takes some time. And
if you're doing it over the network to the Vortexbox it takes even
longer.
I'm pretty sure there's an app now, so you don't need to go through the
manual procedure described in the wiki.
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zowie wrote:
I embed the art in each FLAC file so that I'll have the art in the MP3
mirrored files for portable ipod use.
I notice that it takes a really long time to write the covers to the
files.
Several good FLAC to MP3 converters will happily pick up a folder.jpg or
cover.jpg file from
Mnyb wrote:
Yeh but squeezeboxes can send WOL anyway even they are on wifi ,
putting the- server- on wifi migth stop it ,but then it migth actually
fall back to sleep when not wanted instead .
slap forehead Yes, you're absolutely right. What I wrote doesn't make
sense. Thanks for putting it
ReValveiT wrote:
Still it's annoying that we even have to do this. Why on earth would the
Touch hassle the PC every 30 seconds or so when it's not Even doing
anything? Just doesn't make any sense. I'm really surprised this isn't a
more wide-spread issue.
It's not universal. These days I have
You can use internet radio, Pandora, Rhapsody, Spotify and other online
services without your pc or NAS on -- just switch the music source to
mysqueezebox.com. To listen to your own music, you need LMS running
somewhere. It could be a pc, a NAS that supports LMS, or the Touch's
built-in LMS.
I suppose another workaround is to switch to using wireless for the
Touch instead of ethernet. It's less than ideal, but if the wifi signal
is good it should comfortably provide enough bandwidth for lossless
streaming, especially as the server will still be wired to the router.
Welcome. Do you have Logitech Media Server (LMS) installed on the NAS,
or on any other computer on your network? That's the first step.
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Is the music library scan completing without any errors?
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I've seen some reports of people successfully using the Touch with
bus-powered USB drive, but success rates are much better with USB drives
that have their own power supplies. Even with external power USB HDD
power supplies, the Touch + USB drive arrangement is not 100% reliable.
This thread has
Have you tried ssh'ing in to the Touch and Radio to set the time
correctly via the command line, and then seeing if that sticks?
Or, if you're pretending to be in another time zone on mysb.com, why
not go all the way and pretend to be in that time zone in real life
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are referring to.
Hope that helps. You can get more specific help if you could be more
specific about what it is you are trying to do. What do you have
already in terms of amp(s) and speakers? Or are you starting from
nothing?
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connecting the server via
ethernet to see if the problems go away.
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are fast enough to stream music :-)
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with the Touch's
built-in LMS. Whether or not it's significant or marked really
depends on how you measure it. It will almost certainly be more
reliable than the Touch's built-in LMS, which works great for some
people, and not at all for others.
Finally
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though the comparison also depends on the particular USB drive you are
using at present, the size of your library, the quality of your home
network, and several other variables. At least having the same NAS
model takes away one source of variation.
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vinodt1347;698091 Wrote:
Maybe my ears are not so sensitive.
Or maybe you are not as gullible as some people ;-)
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