Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Firmware update request to ease strain on resources

2011-03-11 Thread aubuti
Here's a simple workaround for those who don't like TinySBS's scan-the-whole-disk behavior, but don't want to get into the Perl hacking that John S outlines: make the rest of the drive hidden to TinySBS. As TinySBS is Linux, that means putting a "dot" at the beginning of the names of relevant fo

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Firmware update request to ease strain on resources

2011-03-02 Thread JohnSwenson
For the OP, here is a little background on the issue and some possible ways to deal with it. The server (SBS) was architechted to be controlled through a web page (called the web UI) hosted by the server. This was the method for making server settings such as what directory to use for the libray,

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Firmware update request to ease strain on resources

2011-03-02 Thread Phil Leigh
Mnyb;614963 Wrote: > That was I that suggested another room for the pc . > > maybe I should clearify my opinoin on the internal server. > > OP *really* want the touch server solution to work for him. > > I think this is futile , therefore I recommend something that actually > works and gives t

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Firmware update request to ease strain on resources

2011-03-02 Thread Mnyb
That was I that suggested another room for the pc . maybe I should clearify my opinoin on the internal server. OP *really* want the touch server solution to work for him. I think this is futile , therefore I recommend something that actually works and gives the intended squeebox experience , No

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Firmware update request to ease strain on resources

2011-03-02 Thread Phil Leigh
Dave1972;614887 Wrote: > And I (and clearly others) seriously think the Touch should not NEED to > scan the whole damn volume of any drive that is connected to it, which > is the whole point of the thread that some people have been only to > desperate to divert attention away from, hence inane su

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Firmware update request to ease strain on resources

2011-03-02 Thread Dave1972
garym;614889 Wrote: > OK. Let's see. You've been offered the reason for the issues/problem you > see and several people have confirmed these reasons. Yes, it would be > nice if logitech changed the software to allow one to choose only a > particular subdirectory to scan (or not to scan at all). B

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Firmware update request to ease strain on resources

2011-03-02 Thread aubuti
Dave1972: You posted here with two reasonable requests (in particular I think #2 would be useful and relatively easy to implement). But perhaps you were unaware that this is a users' community forum, and not a direct line to Logitech. The users here can't act on those requests any more than you ca

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Firmware update request to ease strain on resources

2011-03-02 Thread garym
Dave1972;614887 Wrote: > And I (and clearly others) seriously think the Touch should not NEED to > scan the whole damn volume of any drive that is connected to it, which > is the whole point of the thread that some people have been only to > desperate to divert attention away from, hence inane su

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Firmware update request to ease strain on resources

2011-03-02 Thread Dave1972
Phil Leigh;614686 Wrote: > I seriously think you should always know exactly how many files you > have. In saying that, I'm assuming you care about it and would not want > to lose any part of it. > > Even with a rock-solid backup regime, you will sooner or later want to > know that all of your fi

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Firmware update request to ease strain on resources

2011-03-01 Thread Phil Leigh
I seriously think you should always know exactly how many files you have. In saying that, I'm assuming you care about it and would not want to lose any part of it. Even with a rock-solid backup regime, you will sooner or later want to know that all of your files are indeed accessible via the Touc

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Firmware update request to ease strain on resources

2011-03-01 Thread Sosh
Dave1972;614652 Wrote: > Everyone except me. I've never counted. Lets say about 20k as has been > guestimated by someone else. I'm going to try a firmware update as > suggested by a helpful soul. I hadn't done this before as I just > assumed my Touch would automatically have downloaded and inst

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Firmware update request to ease strain on resources

2011-03-01 Thread rotho
Dave1972;614652 Wrote: > I'm going to try a firmware update as suggested by a helpful soul. I > hadn't done this before as I just assumed my Touch would automatically > have downloaded and installed the latest version. The Touch does indeed automatically update when the "official" version numbe

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Firmware update request to ease strain on resources

2011-03-01 Thread Dave1972
rotho;614645 Wrote: > As far as the sluggishness of the Touch goes when using the internal > server for a big collection of music, you should try installing the > 7.5.4 version (http://downloads.slimdevices.com/nightly/?ver=7.5) of > SBS (first by installing it on a PC, and then the Touch will >

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Firmware update request to ease strain on resources

2011-03-01 Thread Dave1972
Phil Leigh;614607 Wrote: > 10,000? 50,000? 100,000? > > everyone who has a sizeable/important collection knows exactly how many > tracks they have... Everyone except me. I've never counted. Could you do me a favour Phil mate - just ease off on the arrogance a little if you can? Just a polite

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Firmware update request to ease strain on resources

2011-03-01 Thread Phil Leigh
slate;614634 Wrote: > If it is 500GB of FLAC then about 20.000 tracks yeah - I have 37k tracks in 1Tb -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF x-dacv3/x-10/x-psu(Audi

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Firmware update request to ease strain on resources

2011-03-01 Thread rotho
Dave1972;614544 Wrote: > OK Phil, I've never counted my tracks. But there are lots. And lots. > And if I put them all on one drive, the Touch becomes slow and > unstable. And judging by many other reviews elsewhere, I am not alone > in this. As far as the sluggishness of the Touch goes when

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Firmware update request to ease strain on resources

2011-03-01 Thread slate
Phil Leigh;614607 Wrote: > 10,000? 50,000? 100,000? > > You must have some idea - everyone who has a sizeable/important > collection knows exactly how many tracks they have... they are > (rightly) paranoid about backups! If it is 500GB of FLAC then about 20.000 tracks -- slate Main: Duet (A

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Firmware update request to ease strain on resources

2011-02-28 Thread Phil Leigh
Dave1972;614554 Wrote: > Oh, it was never an issue of expense, I don't know why Phil even raised > the issue. I have lots of disk drives. Three of them dedicated to > audio now (Rock, Jazz and Classical!) instead of just one drive with > three "genre" folders. > > Never mind. I guess it reall

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Firmware update request to ease strain on resources

2011-02-28 Thread Phil Leigh
Dave1972;614544 Wrote: > OK Phil, I've never counted my tracks. But there are lots. And lots. > And if I put them all on one drive, the Touch becomes slow and > unstable. And judging by many other reviews elsewhere, I am not alone > in this. 10,000? 50,000? 100,000? You must have some idea

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Firmware update request to ease strain on resources

2011-02-28 Thread jean2
Dave1972;614566 Wrote: > Especially as drives need to be disconnected periodically to put more > stuff on them. Others have mentioned Samba/Windows file sharing. I personally found Samba to fussy, so I rsync directly to the Touch : http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81755&highlight=

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Firmware update request to ease strain on resources

2011-02-28 Thread aubuti
Dave1972;614566 Wrote: > Especially as drives need to be disconnected periodically to put more > stuff on them. Notwithstanding the merits of your other points, this one just isn't true. At least not with the Touch, because it runs a Samba server, so you can transfer files to it over the network

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Firmware update request to ease strain on resources

2011-02-28 Thread ModelCitizen
During beta testing I requested that an option be included to enable selection of a directory. I was told that it was not going to be included but might be added as an advanced option some time in the future. or that someone might perhaps write an 'options' plugin. Neither is going to happen

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Firmware update request to ease strain on resources

2011-02-28 Thread Dave1972
toby10;614555 Wrote: > I think many would like that. But it's really a paradox in that you > don't want a computer running yet you want the Touch to have the > robustness and speed of a computer. Nah, I really don't. Honest I don't. I just thought it would be good to have the ability to c

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Firmware update request to ease strain on resources

2011-02-28 Thread toby10
Dave1972;614550 Wrote: > I don't want to have a computer running every time I use the Touch. One > of the primary reasons for buying the Touch, was that it can play audio > files WITHOUT having a PC switched on. I think many would like that. But it's really a paradox in that you don't want

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Firmware update request to ease strain on resources

2011-02-28 Thread Dave1972
JJZolx;614553 Wrote: > I would guess that #1 is not feasible, as Squeezebox Server has never > worked like this. Some aspects of the operation of the server are so > ingrained that I doubt they'll ever be changed. Pre-scanning and > storing metadata and music info in a database is the only way it

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Firmware update request to ease strain on resources

2011-02-28 Thread JJZolx
Dave1972;614550 Wrote: > Please see my original suggestions, and maybe someone could advise me if > this is feasible. I would guess that #1 is not feasible, as Squeezebox Server has never worked like this. Some aspects of the operation of the server are so ingrained that I doubt they'll ever be

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Firmware update request to ease strain on resources

2011-02-28 Thread Dave1972
JJZolx;614546 Wrote: > Do you use the Touch while it's still scanning the library at startup? > From other reports one key to stability is avoiding all use of the > player while its still performing its startup scan. You're absolutely right JJZolx. No, I play music whilst it is scanning as this

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Firmware update request to ease strain on resources

2011-02-28 Thread Dave1972
garym;614545 Wrote: > If you must have the PC in the same room as listening, and prefer not to > have it on due to noise, you should probably investigate a "silent" > computer. Something like a sheevaplug (with squeezeplug setup) or > FitPC2i running win7, winxp, or linux. You can connect USB dri

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Firmware update request to ease strain on resources

2011-02-28 Thread JJZolx
Dave1972;614544 Wrote: > OK Phil, I've never counted my tracks. But there are lots. And lots. > And if I put them all on one drive, the Touch becomes slow and > unstable. And judging by many other reviews elsewhere, I am not alone > in this. Do you use the Touch while it's still scanning the

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Firmware update request to ease strain on resources

2011-02-28 Thread Dave1972
Phil Leigh;614542 Wrote: > 65,000 tracks... not bytes > > I don't read Amazon reviews, the gene pool is too low. > > > The number of bytes is irrelevant. The number of tracks is what > counts... OK Phil, I've never counted my tracks. But there are lots. And lots. And if I put them all on o

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Firmware update request to ease strain on resources

2011-02-28 Thread garym
Dave1972;614530 Wrote: > > * I don't like to leave my PC switched on whilst using the Touch > because it is in the same room, and it's noisy, hence I connect drives > to the Touch's USB direct. I actually really love the ability to do > this, but feel the experience could possibly be even better

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Firmware update request to ease strain on resources

2011-02-28 Thread Dave1972
Mnyb;614531 Wrote: > Hmm can the server be installed on a PC *not* in the same room ? No. But thanks for the suggestion. Jeez. -- Dave1972 Dave1972's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6 View

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Firmware update request to ease strain on resources

2011-02-28 Thread Phil Leigh
Dave1972;614539 Wrote: > 65K?! My own library is about 500GB (lossless 16/44.1 FLAC mainly, but > also some 24/96 FLACs - which sound fantastic on the Touch, by the > way). Many people have reported stability issues with large libraries > (just check some reviews on Amazon). I have had such iss

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Firmware update request to ease strain on resources

2011-02-28 Thread Dave1972
Phil Leigh;614532 Wrote: > Just how large is this collection? - there are folks running 65k+ > libraries with no stability issues... > > I have no idea why you don't want to leave the disk on 24/7... it > should sleep when not serving up data. Disk life is shortened by cold > booting... anyway d

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Firmware update request to ease strain on resources

2011-02-28 Thread Phil Leigh
Dave1972;614530 Wrote: > @ JJZolx: > > Snap! Me too - I have Sansa Fuze + Rockbox, and I love it! :) > I take your point about the intention to keep the server incredibly > simple - but I'm sure an "Advanced" option could be made available that > simpletons could ignore! ;) > > > @ Phil Leigh

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Firmware update request to ease strain on resources

2011-02-28 Thread Mnyb
Hmm can the server be installed on a PC *not* in the same room ? that would be the best, or is simply a shortage of rooms to :-/ With a large collection you deserve to run the real server imho -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Firmware update request to ease strain on resources

2011-02-28 Thread Dave1972
Sorry, I should have clarified the following: * Scanning and registering large collections makes the Touch unstable, so at the moment the only solution (for those not using a LAN or PC to stream) is to have smaller collections split between separate hard drives. This requires occasionally disconn

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Firmware update request to ease strain on resources

2011-02-28 Thread JJZolx
> Would it be possible to allow the Touch to play files WITHOUT scanning > the hard drive first? I have an 8 GB SanDisk Fuze Mp3 player with a 32 GB microSDHC card. A total of 40 GB of storage, full. I've installed Rockbox on the player and can boot into either OS. With the SanDisk firmware when

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Firmware update request to ease strain on resources

2011-02-28 Thread Mnyb
3. keep Touch and disc powered all the time. 4. Use Touch's network share function to add new music over your Lan, no need to remove the drive . 5. get another drive for you backupps. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +Merid

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Firmware update request to ease strain on resources

2011-02-28 Thread Phil Leigh
1) don't have anything but music files on the disk 2) stop removing the disk Simples :-) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF x-dacv3/x-10/x-psu(Audiocom full mods

[SlimDevices: Touch] Firmware update request to ease strain on resources

2011-02-28 Thread Dave1972
Hi I always use my Touch with a hard drive directly connected as I hate having my noisy PC on whilst listening to music. I have found that each time I connect the hard drive it scans the whole drive, which can take a very long time. Of course, the time can be reduced by removing all non-music-re