Re: [Trisquel-users] Translation plug-in for browsers

2012-10-11 Thread Ivaylo Valkov
В 04:08 +0200 на 12.10.2012 (пт), ja...@bluehome.net написа: > How would it do the translation? Send the page to a remote service for > translation and show the result? That would mean the extension is nothing > more than a SaaS front end. Not a plugin, but ... There is a free software (GPL) m

Re: [Trisquel-users] Translation plug-in for browsers

2012-10-11 Thread jason
How would it do the translation? Send the page to a remote service for translation and show the result? That would mean the extension is nothing more than a SaaS front end.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Toutatis for server now?

2012-10-11 Thread viniciussm
Interesting. I will see what I can get here once my classes are back.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Toutatis for server now?

2012-10-11 Thread moilami
I am not sure what it will be. It has been information technology and computer engineering. I actually did not have plans to do a thesis related to Free Software either at first. I had other plans more into economics. It would had been highly theoretical and 100% fun project for me. But the

Re: [Trisquel-users] Toutatis for server now?

2012-10-11 Thread viniciussm
Awesome, a thesis for what course? I am a control engineering student and did not even think about making a thesis out of free software in engineering. I once spoke to the course coordinator about the research lab he works in and he told they usually work with free software, but what he mea

Re: [Trisquel-users] Toutatis for server now?

2012-10-11 Thread migatheotaku
I'd go for this too, just be careful not to use non-free software or install non-free firmware, which is easier on Debian's kernel since it's stock Linux without any non-free bits, where Linux-libre prevents loading non-free firmware.

Re: [Trisquel-users] abrowser version

2012-10-11 Thread moilami
Ok, that's a great attitude and I think you can do it.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Toutatis for server now?

2012-10-11 Thread moilami
Hmm, FSF mirror, thanks of the suggestion. Now I think Trisquel it shall be.

Re: [Trisquel-users] abrowser version

2012-10-11 Thread andrew . roffey
I definitely didn't think it would be a trivial task. I'm not going to overstate my abilities, because I've not done any serious programming (e.g. hacking Gecko). But I have written some small programs in C (and I know some other languages better). I will at least check out what Ruben's don

Re: [Trisquel-users] Toutatis for server now?

2012-10-11 Thread chris
This is total FUD. Who exactly is this fictional administrator you speak of? They sound too incompetent to actually be running GNU/Linux let alone administering it. I might buy that there are a handful whom might only be willing to administer a Redhat box. However any administer with any ex

Re: [Trisquel-users] Toutatis for server now?

2012-10-11 Thread chris
I've never seen a problem with this. You can probably safely point to any number of mirrors that and be confident they will exist in 5 years. For instance the FSF mirror.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Toutatis for server now?

2012-10-11 Thread moilami
The only problem with Trisquel for this server is will the server in sources.list address exist next 5 years. If I could be as sure of that as I can be of that ftp.fi.debian.org will exist next 5 years there would be no probs. To get some knowledge of that I would have to know better who ex

Re: [Trisquel-users] If you were confused on free software licenses

2012-10-11 Thread nospamhere
That chart makes it look so easy. I just counted the number of licenses found on my Hardened Gentoo install, all of which are located at /usr/portage/licenses. The total number of possible licenses is 638. How much time would it take me to read through all 638 licenses to determine which li

Re: [Trisquel-users] Toutatis for server now?

2012-10-11 Thread moilami
I could easily use Trisquel for servers I maintain.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Toutatis for server now?

2012-10-11 Thread tegskywalker
It depends on the financial status of that organization. In some cases it may cost more to have a full time and on-site salaried employee than using contractors or support contracts from a company like Canonical and Red Hat. Another hurdle is finding qualified workers who know how to use a pu

Re: [Trisquel-users] Toutatis for server now?

2012-10-11 Thread Ivaylo Valkov
В 22:49 +0200 на 11.10.2012 (чт), tegskywal...@hotmail.com написа: > The problem with Trisquel being used in a corporation, school, or government > is the lack of support options. Any same administrator or not-so-administrator, capable of maintaining Debian or Debain-based system can support it

Re: [Trisquel-users] Toutatis for server now?

2012-10-11 Thread tegskywalker
The problem with Trisquel being used in a corporation, school, or government is the lack of support options. Plus, with it being a one man show, the releases are 6 months behind schedule. If a company or large organization invests in Ubuntu, they have some security in Canonical being a real c

Re: [Trisquel-users] Toutatis for server now?

2012-10-11 Thread moilami
Hey and thank you very much of the suggestions, much appreciated. I know of Octave. Years ago I had plans with a mathematics teacher to do my thesis of Octave as a replacement for Matlab. Now we talked about GNU Octave too, but then I found Sage, which is a very interesting alternative in m

Re: [Trisquel-users] How I fixed my suspend issue

2012-10-11 Thread chris
It's not the greatest solution I'll admit :(. It's what we have for the moment though. It's a dirty hack that works “good enough” to ensure that those who want to avoid promoting non-free software can (this includes myself- I frequently point to it over the main URL). When we have the new s

[Trisquel-users] Translation plug-in for browsers

2012-10-11 Thread purplebeach1984
Does Abrowser or Midori have a plug-in for translating a page in a foreign language to English, like what Chromium does. Just curious. I've been looking at Trisquel documentation & searching on forum here but can't find out.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Toutatis for server now?

2012-10-11 Thread Ivaylo Valkov
В 13:28 +0200 на 11.10.2012 (чт), moil...@gmail.com написа: > > Alright, I have finished my bachelor's thesis. Very surprisingly my (sucky) > thesis about Sage as a replacement for Matlab in higher education rose > interest in the teachers on my school. Well done! You might have heard about

Re: [Trisquel-users] How I fixed my suspend issue

2012-10-11 Thread moilami
Yeah, using Flash is the most underrated example how non-free software can suck. It compromises security in your computer, you can't do anything to fix it, and some think they are forced to use it.

Re: [Trisquel-users] abrowser version

2012-10-11 Thread moilami
One said he could patch FF, but that he haven't patched anything before. The offer is appreciated but it implies that patching would be trivial. It is not unless you get the patch from somewhere. If you have to make the patch, then it is not trivial.

Re: [Trisquel-users] How I fixed my suspend issue

2012-10-11 Thread nospamhere
I find any use of flash to be disturbing.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Toutatis for server now?

2012-10-11 Thread chris
Your in a hard spot. I'd probably go with Debian stable. Debian shines on the server and the kernel is already free. Just don't add the non-free components. The main issue with Debian I believe is its endorsement of non-free software (website has a lot of information on how to add non-free

Re: [Trisquel-users] How I fixed my suspend issue

2012-10-11 Thread onpon4
Well, I wish I'd known that, I bought the video card from your shop a few days ago, but I'm pretty sure I got there without the "libre." (I had the site bookmarked). At least I have the bookmark set to libre.thinkpenguin.com now, so I won't make the mistake again. :)

Re: [Trisquel-users] restricted formats, proprietary education software

2012-10-11 Thread chris
Not that this changes anything although I'm pretty sure they would go after the companies making money on free software rather than battle it out with a lonely free software developer. The risk is to those financing the development more so than developers themselves. At least I would think. I

Re: [Trisquel-users] abrowser version

2012-10-11 Thread chris
Did I or someone say or imply it was trivial? It's not like any of this is going to get done by a less than technical user.

Re: [Trisquel-users] abrowser version

2012-10-11 Thread chris
I'm assuming Debian does not have in its backports the packages which define Trisquel (abrowser, linux-libre, etc). The reason for using Ubuntu is that it is a bit more polished. I was thinking (or Debian) in my head. Chose not to write that though.

Re: [Trisquel-users] How I fixed my suspend issue

2012-10-11 Thread chris
The libre.thinkpenguin.com link does two things. One it sets a cookie on your computer so that we know not to display information on distributions which include non-free software. The 2nd thing it does is it adds a fake product to your shopping cart. This lets us know to make a donation to th

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 6.0 Alpha Images

2012-10-11 Thread ll
I have several partitions on my drive, and I currently have Kubuntu and CrunchBang installed. I'd like to follow the development of Trisquel 6.0, so I downloaded, burned, and booted the 10/8 alpha. Regretfully, ubi-portman failed, and I was unable to continue. Before it failed, a bunch of f

Re: [Trisquel-users] abrowser version

2012-10-11 Thread moilami
Heh, the joy of the "latest and greatest".

Re: [Trisquel-users] Forum Layout

2012-10-11 Thread nospam
Hi, theblackpig! I checked and I am sorry to say that Vanilla POP is a hosted, Enterprise (paid for) service only. It is not available for download. Here is info about Vanilla POP: http://vanillaforums.org/docs/vanillapop

Re: [Trisquel-users] abrowser version

2012-10-11 Thread nospamhere
Firefox 16 Pulled To Address Security Vulnerability

Re: [Trisquel-users] Toutatis for server now?

2012-10-11 Thread moilami
Well, I think I must go for maximum customer satisfaction with Free Software. If I ever start a real business that will be my guiding principle.

Re: [Trisquel-users] How I fixed my suspend issue

2012-10-11 Thread moilami
Interesting, but I don't need flash and it is not installed on my computer. I am very lucky to not need it. I can watch stuff from Youtube, mostly digitalrev.com vids, and those work flawlessly at 1080p on my few years old X4500HD Intel integrated graphics chip, were they HTML5 or Flash, f

Re: [Trisquel-users] How I fixed my suspend issue

2012-10-11 Thread onpon4
Regarding youtube-dl, there is a GUI for that, called YTDownloader if I'm not mistaken.

[Trisquel-users] Toutatis for server now?

2012-10-11 Thread moilami
(This topic serves two purposes. At first it serves as an encouragement for students to go for Free Software solutions. Unexpectedly good results can happen by doing that. The second purpose is for me to become aware of things I haven't thought myself.) Alright, I have finished my bachelor'

Re: [Trisquel-users] How I fixed my suspend issue

2012-10-11 Thread moilami
Well, I know that none to whom I have installed GNU/Linux would not use it if they would have to stop using Flash. Everyone using Flash does not solve the flash problem, but everyone using MS so that they can use Flash does not help a bit people to migrate to GNU/Linux. So you have two ch

Re: [Trisquel-users] How I fixed my suspend issue

2012-10-11 Thread onpon4
Hm, why doesn't it keep the "libre." in the URL? When I saw it just disappear like it does with no apparent change, I just ignored it thinking it did nothing. Plus, the "bookmark this page" function will point you to the regular site even if you got there from libre.thinkpenguin.com.

Re: [Trisquel-users] restricted formats, proprietary education software

2012-10-11 Thread moilami
Yeah, but it doesn't change the fact he supports non-free software by chosing to use it instead of boycotting whenever he can. He has written even more about using non-free software. I remember that because years ago when I was unhappy to use proprieatary tools in programming in school I re

Re: [Trisquel-users] abrowser version

2012-10-11 Thread moilami
Hmm, patching stuff is not trivial unless someone has made it to be trivial. If you are doing it to be trivial you need quite some skills in programming and you have to understand the software you are patching, else nasty ooops can happen.

Re: [Trisquel-users] How I fixed my suspend issue

2012-10-11 Thread chris
The problem with this thinking is that they will release non-free solutions if the majority on GNU/Linux users are on non-free distributions. This is obviously not an acceptable solution. We need to work together to reduce the communities dependency on non-free software. I'm doing that with h

Re: [Trisquel-users] How I fixed my suspend issue

2012-10-11 Thread andrew . roffey
In response to your other post (I don't want to split your posts apart since they're related :] ): Regarding Moonlight: it is no longer supported by its developers, for various reasons (see http://lists.ximian.com/pipermail/moonlight-list/2011-December/001392.html). I'm not sure how much

Re: [Trisquel-users] abrowser version

2012-10-11 Thread moilami
Yeah, I have been thinking that too. But why you want it to be based on Ubuntu? I am interested to know why. In my opinion Debian is a better choise because it does not have that much trademark and branding things like Ubuntu and when it gets good supplement repos the fact that there is not

Re: [Trisquel-users] How I fixed my suspend issue

2012-10-11 Thread moilami
Just note by the way that I fully support the policy of not helping people to use non-free software in Trisquel Forum, and I wont do that. Those who want to get help to use non-free software can get that help from Ubuntu forums. I value highly this kind of 100% committed to Free Software dist

Re: [Trisquel-users] How I fixed my suspend issue

2012-10-11 Thread moilami
I have actually read everything many times and more what has been pasted here about RMS. Still I am very interested to read what he has said in order to see if there is something new for me. In my opinion this is about how you climb to a tree to grab an apple. You can do it using your hands

Re: [Trisquel-users] How I fixed my suspend issue

2012-10-11 Thread moilami
By the way this topic needs more discussion so that it is better understood for it is an important topic. I have friends and some of them has been using years GNU/Linux even though they are not at all computer people. They say that it is better than Windows. That is only possible because I

Re: [Trisquel-users] How I fixed my suspend issue

2012-10-11 Thread chris
Richard Stallman actually has some very good points about why we shouldn't move people to GNU/Linux distributions that include non-free software. The problem is it reduces the leverage we have against those who would like to turn GNU/Linux into a Microsoft replacement (that is to turn it non-

Re: [Trisquel-users] restricted formats, proprietary education software

2012-10-11 Thread andrew . roffey
Actually, I did leave some of what RMS wrote out of the quote. The rest: > [...] Of course, I explain why they should migrate the machines to free software, but I don't push them hard, because that would be counterproductive.

Re: [Trisquel-users] How I fixed my suspend issue

2012-10-11 Thread moilami
You are doing it right. The step to way of non-mainstream OS (µ$) is a huge step for normal people. There is no way they will keep doing it if they can't use their computer as they want. This reminds me of the case when I consulted one organisation in moving to Free Software. I said thing

Re: [Trisquel-users] How I fixed my suspend issue

2012-10-11 Thread Michał Masłowski
> Mm, interesting. By the way, the new yeeloong I previously made a > topic of has been released, yet with very few media coverage and an > inappropriate price -> > http://www.tekmote.nl/epages/61504599.sf/nl_NL/?ObjectPath=/Shops/61504599/Products/CFL-008 The GPU is a problem (the boot firmware i

Re: [Trisquel-users] How I fixed my suspend issue

2012-10-11 Thread Michał Masłowski
> Isn't an amd+nvidia(nouveau)+coreboot+trisquel system "completely" free? It might need a CPU microcode update in the BIOS, it needs to run the VGA BIOS of the graphics card (Radeons need just to read it, not run), it might have an embedded controller (all laptops have them, none run completely f

Re: [Trisquel-users] abrowser version

2012-10-11 Thread chris
What I would love to do is release a distribution based on Ubuntu LTS. Spend a year or so focused on getting it just right. Then let someone else worry about maintaining a few key packages. We need a backports repository for abrowser, linux-libre, and hplip. It shouldn't be too terribly diff

Re: [Trisquel-users] restricted formats, proprietary education software

2012-10-11 Thread moilami
http://stallman.org/stallman-computing.html > "If I am visiting somewhere and the machines available nearby happen to contain non-free software, through no doing of mine, I don't refuse to touch them. I will use them briefly for tasks such as browsing. This limited usage doesn't give my asse

Re: [Trisquel-users] How I fixed my suspend issue

2012-10-11 Thread chris
I'm actually impressed by the specifications. I wasn't expecting a 13.3" screen. The price is in line with high end notebooks so that isn't a big deal. The thing that concerns me is the non-free graphics dependencies. We should probably be in communications with this company. I think this is

Re: [Trisquel-users] Wireless card configuration

2012-10-11 Thread moilami
I did not point at you. It was just a general note what I wrote.