Re: [Trisquel-users] Gentee and MIT

2013-05-20 Thread matt . ivie
No matter what the software is, it's better if it's free. Even if it is not copy-left at least it is free software. Every little bit helps so I think you did do a good thing.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Fear and Loathing in Free Hardware build quality

2013-05-20 Thread matt . ivie
I have purchased a Penguin desktop from ThinkPenguin for work and I haven't had any problems with it at all. I think that it would be great to see custom designed cases and fancy plastic bezels on the thing but I also realize that there's an expense there and it's hard for a small company to

Re: [Trisquel-users] Mumble conection to server issues Toutatis

2013-05-20 Thread matt . ivie
We should bring up these problems with the Mumble developers and see if they have any suggestions or insight to what's going on. My work around is less involved but consistent across three installs so I'd say it's still worth bringing up. You and one other person on the forums have noticed is

Re: [Trisquel-users] Mumble conection to server issues Toutatis

2013-05-20 Thread matt . ivie
You're absolutely right, you did point to that thread in your original post. Sorry for overlooking that and suggesting again that you look at that thread.

Re: [Trisquel-users] [ENG] Mumble problems in Toutatis

2013-05-20 Thread matt . ivie
Have you tried creating a new user and trying it with that user? I know you said it works as root but I mean a new user with user-level permissions. Also, have you tried purging your mumble settings? The directory containing user settings is under ~/.config/Mumble I'm just throwing ideas ou

Re: [Trisquel-users] The rules

2013-05-20 Thread nospamhere
Andrew asked: "Are you taking these tests in-class?" No, all of the tests are done from home, even the finals. "But remember that using someone else's computer is like using a network service - you don't have control of what happens to your data." I am already plotting on this for the next

Re: [Trisquel-users] The rules

2013-05-20 Thread nospamhere
I am hardly betraying myself in this instance, because the educational system is not within my control. Were the educational system within my control, there would be no proprietary software in it, for NUMEROUS reasons. I would be betraying myself were I to use the separate system with the p

Re: [Trisquel-users] The rules

2013-05-20 Thread nospamhere
Andrew said "the problem here is that with a test that requires proprietary software, the ability to provide evidence of completing the exam becomes difficult (because you lack the freedom to control your computing)." I don't know where in the world you are, but it doesn't sound like you ar

Re: [Trisquel-users] Some hope for you MATE lovers out there

2013-05-20 Thread aaz893
I'm not having sex with the Mate. =)

Re: [Trisquel-users] The rules

2013-05-20 Thread aaz893
1." your views sound to me from your posts like authoritarian (e.g. fascist or authoritarian socialist) views." I don't know who I am. Political tests results are very different,from liberalism to totalitarism. 2." I get this impression mostly because you say you don't like democracy (!)"

[Trisquel-users] Some hope for you MATE lovers out there

2013-05-20 Thread tegskywalker
Just saw that MATE packages are making their way into Debian's unstable (sid) repos which means that future Ubuntu and Trisquel releases will be able to nab it without a secondary repository or PPA. I'm only seeing one package, but it seems like the addition to the repositories is fairly ne

Re: [Trisquel-users] Fear and Loathing in Free Hardware build quality

2013-05-20 Thread Quiliro Ordóñez
El 20/05/13 19:21, gamebo...@lavabit.com escribió: > Where is the custom BIOS for the Thinkpad t61p Maybe in www.coreboot.org -- Saludos libres, Quiliro Ordóñez Presidente (en conjunto con el resto de socios) Asociación de Software Libre del Ecuador - ASLE Av de la Prensa N58-219 y Cristóbal Va

Re: [Trisquel-users] The rules

2013-05-20 Thread Quiliro Ordóñez
El 20/05/13 14:31, shiret...@web.de escribió: > As I said, I think someone who's in a bad economical situation often > can't afford to quit his job because of being forced to use prop. > software. Perhaps most people think that the job they have is barely enough to cover their basic needs. The rea

Re: [Trisquel-users] Fear and Loathing in Free Hardware build quality

2013-05-20 Thread gameboyab
Where is the custom BIOS for the Thinkpad t61p?

Re: [Trisquel-users] The rules

2013-05-20 Thread Quiliro Ordóñez
El 20/05/13 14:28, nospamh...@runbox.com escribió: > I can give an example. > > I am taking a class whereby tests required for the class REQUIRE > flash. Gnash doesn't work. For example, if I attempt to read the > online chapters in Gnash there is no text to read. Each chapter also > has labs which

Re: [Trisquel-users] blasphemous question here

2013-05-20 Thread Quiliro Ordóñez
El 20/05/13 16:19, tris...@xemaps.com escribió: > Interesting discussion. > > I'm glad that there are people in this world like Richard Stallman. > I'm glad there's a distro like Trisquel. I'm glad there is a company > like ThinkPenguin. We need them all. > > And, I'm not in a position to live that

Re: [Trisquel-users] The rules

2013-05-20 Thread Andrew Roffey
On 21/05/13 05:28, nospamhere wrote: I am taking a class whereby tests required for the class REQUIRE flash. [I wrote:] The only problem with using a computer for an exam is that the evidence that you ever completed the exam can disappear more easily than a paper exam. I would like to expand

Re: [Trisquel-users] Why Ubuntu as the base for Trisquel?

2013-05-20 Thread trisqit
"the distro is dead" You can certainly be forgiven for thinking so. It seemed the same to me. But we were wrong! http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=07871 FWIW I feel pretty much the same vague sense of dis-ease with the idea of basing on a Canonical product. However, I appreciate that Ruben is p

Re: [Trisquel-users] The rules

2013-05-20 Thread Andrew Roffey
On 21/05/13 05:28, nospamhere wrote: I can give an example. I am taking a class whereby tests required for the class REQUIRE flash. Gnash doesn't work. For example, if I attempt to read the online chapters in Gnash there is no text to read. Each chapter also has labs which can be done from home

Re: [Trisquel-users] blasphemous question here

2013-05-20 Thread trisqit
Interesting discussion. I'm glad that there are people in this world like Richard Stallman. I'm glad there's a distro like Trisquel. I'm glad there is a company like ThinkPenguin. We need them all. And, I'm not in a position to live that purely 100% of the time, personally. Yet. Something

Re: [Trisquel-users] Fear and Loathing in Free Hardware build quality

2013-05-20 Thread trisqit
So it did take over two weeks--and they did screw up one of my distro requests (got vanilla Debian 7 instead of the requested XFCE)--but: I'm satisfied with the Strata so far. It's much heavier, and a little bigger than I was after, but it does have a solid and polished feel to it so far. I

Re: [Trisquel-users] The rules

2013-05-20 Thread onpon4
Actually, there is an important situation where this would be a good deed on your part. The thing is, you're not noticing one key point: the university would probably help him/her, but only if he/she uses Windows (which is very sad, to say the least, but it does mean that you are not his/her

Re: [Trisquel-users] The rules

2013-05-20 Thread shiretoko
Ok, last question: If my collegue at university had the same fate like me (no prop software = no degree) and he had problems running this software, I understand that he can't ask for help in this forum, it's ok for me. But I personally (not representing the trisquel community) would have helpe

[Trisquel-users] Fw: Fw: planet.trisquel.org/

2013-05-20 Thread Pascal Diogo Antunes
Begin forwarded message: Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 21:49:35 +0200 From: Pascal Diogo Antunes To: trisquel-users@listas.trisquel.info Subject: Fw: planet.trisquel.org/ Begin forwarded message: Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 21:46:19 +0200 From: Pascal Diogo Antunes To: trisquel-users@listas.trisquel.

[Trisquel-users] Fw: planet.trisquel.org/

2013-05-20 Thread Pascal Diogo Antunes
Begin forwarded message: Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 21:46:19 +0200 From: Pascal Diogo Antunes To: trisquel-users@listas.trisquel.info Subject: planet.trisquel.org/ planet.trisquel.org/ It will work one day? Libere, Pascal Diogo Antunes. -- "Plus faible sera l'opposition, plus étroit sera le d

Re: [Trisquel-users] The rules

2013-05-20 Thread em9002
I don't think it excludes you from the ideals of the Trisquel community. There may be certain (very limited) circumstances in which choosing to run proprietary software is less bad than choosing not to, and you are free to do so if you wish. However, we will never help you to do so.

[Trisquel-users] planet.trisquel.org/

2013-05-20 Thread Pascal Diogo Antunes
planet.trisquel.org/ It will work one day? Libere, Pascal Diogo Antunes. -- "Plus faible sera l'opposition, plus étroit sera le despotisme."- Orwell, 1984.

Re: [Trisquel-users] The rules

2013-05-20 Thread shiretoko
As I said, I think someone who's in a bad economical situation often can't afford to quit his job because of being forced to use prop. software. Or: If my professor at university would have told me: "you have to use this proprietary software for your final theses, because everyone does; otherw

Re: [Trisquel-users] The rules

2013-05-20 Thread nospamhere
I can give an example. I am taking a class whereby tests required for the class REQUIRE flash. Gnash doesn't work. For example, if I attempt to read the online chapters in Gnash there is no text to read. Each chapter also has labs which can be done from home by connecting to the online labs

Re: [Trisquel-users] The rules

2013-05-20 Thread onpon4
Let me blunt: your views sound to me from your posts like authoritarian (e.g. fascist or authoritarian socialist) views. I get this impression mostly because you say you don't like democracy (!), but you also say that privacy is not very important and that having a "Big Brother" (a totalitari

Re: [Trisquel-users] The rules

2013-05-20 Thread Quiliro Ordóñez
El 20/05/13 13:53, shiret...@web.de escribió: > I can accept not to recommend non-free software to anyone in this > forum. It's also ok for me not to call it a "solution" whenever > running proprietary software is the only appropriate choice. > But I don't share the view that there is never a case

Re: [Trisquel-users] The rules

2013-05-20 Thread onpon4
> But I don't share the view that there is never a case where running > proprietary software is the less bad choice of two evils. Who does?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Not getting the ability to upgrade

2013-05-20 Thread janeandreas
I found out that the problem is that the libc6-i386 is version 2.13, while the libc6-amd64 is 2.15 and this is preventing libc6 from being configured. 'sudo-do-release-upgrade' no longer works, but my system is clearly not 6.0. The latest libc6-i386 i can find to download from the Trisquel pa

Re: [Trisquel-users] The rules

2013-05-20 Thread shiretoko
I'm thinking of the whole thing for quite a while, trying to figure out whether this is the right place for me or not. Debian is far away from my views; I can accept not to recommend non-free software to anyone in this forum. It's also ok for me not to call it a "solution" whenever running pro

Re: [Trisquel-users] The rules

2013-05-20 Thread Quiliro Ordóñez
El 20/05/13 13:09, aaz...@mail.ru escribió: > 1."Because they are contradictory with each other." > > Where is any contradiction? I don't see it. Maybe these words have a > different meaning for you? Please give your definition of > "protectionism" and "fair competition". Fair is not competitive.

Re: [Trisquel-users] The rules

2013-05-20 Thread aaz893
1."Because they are contradictory with each other." Where is any contradiction? I don't see it. Maybe these words have a different meaning for you? Please give your definition of "protectionism" and "fair competition". 2."But you are out of politeness and nettiquette if you work against the

Re: [Trisquel-users] blasphemous question here

2013-05-20 Thread Quiliro Ordóñez
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 El 20/05/13 04:04, shiret...@web.de escribió: > " The job market for people that know how to use > libre (free as in freedom) software is greater than the market for > people that know about non-libre software." > > This might be the case in ecuador,

Re: [Trisquel-users] The rules

2013-05-20 Thread Quiliro Ordóñez
El 20/05/13 01:13, aaz...@mail.ru escribió: > And what you will do, if I will send the community guidelines to FSF, > and then FSF say "some of guidelines not fits well to ideology of FSF"? Nothing. I would read what you have to say and what they have to say. > "That is an oxymoron." > Why? I do

Re: [Trisquel-users] Dormant non-free software.

2013-05-20 Thread aaz893
"There is no reason to keep a nonfree program "dormant" on your computer except to use it later." Yes, I want to install it later. Because I noticed, that Wine@Etersotf can run such software, with which does not run on the free version. Therefore, I want to make an experiment. I'll try to f

Re: [Trisquel-users] Dormant non-free software.

2013-05-20 Thread aaz893
But I have fast Internet-connection. If I will need this functionality, I can be tempted regardless of existence of file on my hard disk.

[Trisquel-users] annoying limitation to 4 keyboard layouts

2013-05-20 Thread rivocantus-local
Like the most recent GNOME desktops, there is a limitation to setup only 4 keyboard layouts to choose from. This is annoying for us who use more than four languages. I know that in Fedora 18 this has been resolved. Also there it is possible to switch by choosing keybindings for previous and n

Re: [Trisquel-users] Dormant non-free software.

2013-05-20 Thread onpon4
There is no reason to keep a nonfree program "dormant" on your computer except to use it later. That would be a bad choice to make. Delete it now, and you will not risk being tempted to sacrifice your freedom for functionality in the future.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Dormant non-free software.

2013-05-20 Thread sirgrant
You are making a false comparison and mis-representing his logic. In one situation the package is clearly non-free. It is good for only one thing, installing a non-free program. If you are committed to only using free software the package is of no use to you. If you reject non-free softw

Re: [Trisquel-users] blasphemous question here

2013-05-20 Thread aaz893
"Is there even a reason you would "update" the nonfree BIOS to a newer nonfree BIOS?" Yes. Sometimes updating of BIOS help fix some technical problems. Sometimes new version have additional features. FLOSS BIOS have much better functionality, but installation of it very problematic. Ask C

Re: [Trisquel-users] blasphemous question here

2013-05-20 Thread shiretoko
This would one call a "replacement" and not an update. But anyway: it's strange that no one is allowed to help others installing non-free software, no matter under which circumstance, but almost everyone uses non-free software. I heard all the time "there is no reason why running prop. softwar

Re: [Trisquel-users] Dormant non-free software.

2013-05-20 Thread aaz893
"The solution to that problem is easy" But is there a problem? The software is NOT installed. Otherwise, we will get to the point of absurdity. Because there are a lot of sources of non-free software. The Internet, for example. If I will follow your logic, I must disconnect from Internet, beca

Re: [Trisquel-users] blasphemous question here

2013-05-20 Thread onpon4
What are you talking about? I'm sure people here would be perfectly happy to help update a nonfree BIOS to a free one (if they have the ability to help). Is there even a reason you would "update" the nonfree BIOS to a newer nonfree BIOS?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Gentee and MIT

2013-05-20 Thread mikko . viinamaki
Well done. Good for him and for the rest of us. GPL is the most popular free software license. David A. Wheeler famously agrees http://www.dwheeler.com/essays/gpl-compatible.html

Re: [Trisquel-users] blasphemous question here

2013-05-20 Thread shiretoko
Well, this is very acceptable. But if you're taking the guidelines for serious, nobody here will help you when you have to update your bios, and I think that's not good.

[Trisquel-users] Gentee and MIT

2013-05-20 Thread aaz893
http://www.gentee.com/index.htm Gentee has GPL-incompatible, Open Source, non-copyleft licence. But from version 3.6.1 Gentee changes license to MIT. The license became GPL-compatible. This is because I'm persuaded the author to change license to GPL-compatible. I was tried to persuade him to

Re: [Trisquel-users] Dormant non-free software.

2013-05-20 Thread aaz893
Maybe TV box is not such good illustration of my thought ... Another example. I'm owner of Wine@Etersot copy. It is commercial version of Wine with some non-free components. Wine@Etersoft not installed now, but I have deb-package on my hard disk.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Dormant non-free software.

2013-05-20 Thread krofnica996
Unless there is DRM you can install GNU/Linux on that TV and run a free browser. If there is DRM (which seems to be the case in this example which would prevent you from doing this then it is evil by default.

[Trisquel-users] Dormant non-free software.

2013-05-20 Thread aaz893
1.Example: You are have TV box with built-in web browser. The web browser have built-in Adobe Flash plugin. You can't remove Adobe Flash plugin. But you CAN disable it in the browser preferences. I think this will be equivalent to removing of non-free soft. Removing are better only because

Re: [Trisquel-users] blasphemous question here

2013-05-20 Thread john . wilkins21
I wasn't making accusations -"Incidently I may be wrong *(if I am I apologise)* but it is surely against the rules to use IRC chat which does not appear to be free software. " I agree My alternative forum wasn't very good but that wasn't the point , it was just to show that things could be do

Re: [Trisquel-users] blasphemous question here

2013-05-20 Thread onpon4
I don't think anyone here actually manages to use only nonfree software; my laptop, for example, has a nonfree BIOS. The point is that we try to use only free software, and we don't accept nonfree software. If we are forced to use nonfree software, we treat it as a problem that must be solved

Re: [Trisquel-users] blasphemous question here

2013-05-20 Thread aaz893
"For example, I'm very prefer FLOSS to non-free software." Oh, sh*t! Maybe there are misunderstanding? English not my native language, so sometimes I making errors. I mean "If I could use FLOSS, then I will use FLOSS. Otherwise, I will use non-free software(or will not use any software)"

Re: [Trisquel-users] Mumble conection to server issues Toutatis

2013-05-20 Thread aepcam
Hi again. I've discovered a way to connect to a Mumble server. 1. Start Mumble and connect. Mumble will freezed. 2. Go to System Monitor, close Mumble process. 3. Start Mumble again 4. Create new account pressing button "add new" Fill the server data connection. 5. Enter Mumble settings, n

Re: [Trisquel-users] Any future plan for a new ThinkPenguin All-in-One ?

2013-05-20 Thread chris
Probably not. Of all the items in our catalog it had the least demand. People have to show interest or products will disappear from the catalog. Each product takes a lot of time to add/maintain/support/etc. If something isn't selling we aren't going to continue it. We tried all-in-one desktop

Re: [Trisquel-users] blasphemous question here

2013-05-20 Thread aaz893
I'm PREFER to use FLOSS. My computer have only free/open software installed. But I also realize, that sometimes compromise are better choice. The whole situation quite funny. On linux.org.ru(popular linux forum in exUSSR) I have reputation of zealot of FSF. :-)

[Trisquel-users] Re : blasphemous question here

2013-05-20 Thread bruno . letat
@Roboq6 : "all of us" means "all Trisquel users". And for me, a Trisquel user is only using free software in his personal use. If you prefer using non-free software, it's your choice but in this case what are you doing here ? what is your purpose ? you do like playing the troll, don't you ?

Re: [Trisquel-users] blasphemous question here

2013-05-20 Thread mampir
What are your basis for the accusations? Having a free software only host for websites is very trivial, since most widely used programs in web servers are free software. And the server software of Freenode, where Trisquel's IRC channel resides, is also free software.

Re: [Trisquel-users] blasphemous question here

2013-05-20 Thread john . wilkins21
Well said stefano,particularly your remarks about a *technical* forum and , if you like non-technical forum. I proposed this some time ago, I even offered to pay for hosting it (and I'm still prepared to do so) but was ignored. Incidently I may be wrong (if I am I apologise) but it is surely

Re: [Trisquel-users] blasphemous question here

2013-05-20 Thread shiretoko
" The job market for people that know how to use libre (free as in freedom) software is greater than the market for people that know about non-libre software." This might be the case in ecuador, but in many countries, like in germany, this is completely wrong. Furthermore, you didn't read the

Re: [Trisquel-users] Reduce Title bar height

2013-05-20 Thread overbackup4
Someone solved the same question here: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/change-the-size-of-the-titlebar-878066/ I'm not sure what the default theme is under Toutatis. Maybe Clearlooks or ClearlooksClassic from memory of Brigantia.