Yes, and yes. I'm also tired of discussing this kind of topics, in here. On
to other subjects. :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKZg9n6eosA
I guess we're really getting off topic from the original Mailpile post. For
the record, I'm not a Marxist, but it does seem to me that anyone interested
in political theory and history in particular and in other subjects more
broadly would benefit from reading the ideas of Marx and others
Concerning how rapid Mailpile was able to collect so much money, I (really)
don't know how (much) that may be suspicious, or not. And, decided to post
that because I thought it was something worth noticing and comparing with
what is said above. (For anyone to make any analyses they want.)
But, again, concerning WikiLeaks... I can, nonetheless, leave here a
collection of links to information that I've gathered about it, some of it,
even before Estulin denounced this, and that, already at the time, made such
an organization look (very) very suspicious, not only to me, but also
[Experienced activist and co-founder of WikiLeaks] John Young: ...They
revealed that they were continuing to raise $5,000,000 in the first year, and
I had a problem with that scale of money-raising. So I criticized it and said
that the only way you can raise that kind of money that fast
Thanks for all the links. I've looked through them. It still doesn't seem to
me that there is clear evidence that Wikileaks is a CIA front. I am still of
the opinion that it is not. I insist that your view is too simplistic.
Take real life events as an example: Take the Spanish Civil War and
To the contrary, from the little I know of Negri, he's someone who fought
for the interests of that same Empire, that he criticizes, by supporting
groups that were part of its so-called strategy of tension
I'm sorry to say this but you really seem to think every revolutionary is a
If you visit via the advertisement or directly: libre.thinkpenguin.com then
you'll see a 'donation' product added to the shopping cart automatically.
This is for Trisquel, which ultimately helps fund Rubén's travel expenses to
conferences like LibrePlanet, and potentially development (some
Concerning WikiLeaks,
Assange was not supposed to be persecuted by the USG, due to the fear that
he might reveal what he knows. It's just something that, accidentally,
happened. And, yes. I agree that this fact has left the USG with a bad
(public) image. (But, don't do a lot of things that
Thank you for your response, it certainly clarifies my question regarding the
25% donation. I am personally very happy to give my business to your company,
and even more so after reading your post. Many of us are anxious to see more
work done in terms of free hardware, but as you say it is
Concerning the persecution of Assange,
When I say that nothing has changed, because of how this persecution revealed
the true face of the USG, I'm not saying that this is something that the USG
is not worried about (the way it affected its public image). I'm just really
tired of people who
A healthy dose of skepticism is good, but when taken to the extreme I believe
it's counterproductive. Also, I think a lot of this speculation takes on a
very simplistic view of the world. Things are a lot more messy and chaotic
than that, in my opinion.
Regarding Wikileaks, I cannot
Most people prefer to believe in what they /want/ to be true, rather than
face
the possibility that what sounds /horrible/ might actually /be/ the truth
The irony is that the conspiracies you believe in are exactly this. They're
things you want to be true, because you can't stand the
As far as the WiFi discussion goes, Think Penguin has great customer service
and great products, and spending $40 on a WiFi card that does not use
proprietary firmware or binary blobs is a very good idea. Also, it promotes
development of free solutions in other areas, as Chris has pointed
Fernando Negro
You are symbolically paranoid. \O/
Sometimes a bit of sour lemon and a lot of twisted cold war, Awkward
thinking, but indirectly, it is interesting reading.
Cypher Wall
This program is manipulated by the gentleman server, is purely POINT TO
POINT, i WOULD NOT TRUST HIM, BECAUSE HE MODIFIED THE CODE FOR HIS OWN SERVER
AND NO ONE ELSE...
Now, that is an *accusation*, and not a mere suspicion.
Could you, please, back up your accusation with facts (i.e. links to your
arguments)?
(And, also, be more clear about what you're saying?)
I don't know all the people working on Mailpile. One of them though, Smari
McCarthy worked on the Collateral Murder video with Wikileaks and has been
subsequently investigated by the USG. Somewhere on his blog there is some
proof of this in the way of FOIA requests. This seems to give the
On 16/09/13 10:10, Fernando Negro wrote:
That is, unfortunately, another thing that only adds to my
suspicion... Because, the WikiLeaks project, that must be the
alternative media organization that I have ever seen be most
promoted by the corporate media [...]
The corporate media rides on
1) The corporate media rides on what's in the interest of corporate interests
to be known - not, necessarily, on what's popular. (And, always tries to be
silent on the rest.) The author that I mentioned, for example, is a pretty
popular one. Have you ever heard of him, in the corporate
Whatever you mean by cypherpunks...
If you're talking about the first ones, or the people who created such
movement, I don't know enough about them, yet, to know if they were part of
some CIA front or not...
But, concerning the modern-day ones, this is (mainly) what I think about such
Conspiracy theorist is a label. It's been built to be used to shut down
open
debate. It may work temporarily from time to time, but it will not change
the
underlying facts--true or false--that are not being addressed.
To be perfectly frank, conspiracy theorist is a term of endearment.
There is a spiritual satanic portion to this too. Those drives are not easily
understood by normal right thinking people. You give far too much credit to
those in the conspiracy, as if they will think like you or I do, and
therefore behave in ways we are familiar with. They will not.
I love all this symbolism stories, dissident writings and conspiracy
theories, for me, are just forms of control, TO keep you from living,
basically, with one panic button attach under your index finger.
It does not matter which side you are in, or what government you will
support,
+1
Conspiracy conjecturer or conspiracy speculator are also labels. Fernando has
given over 20 links in his posts. I wouldn't call that no evidence for his
rationale.
It might not be good evidence. It might not be worthy of certain peoples time
or opinion. He backed up his thoughts without
ok... back on subject?
Lembas
http://www.mailpile.is/blog/2013-09-05_PayPal_Freezes_Campaign_Funds.html
it seems paypal unfroze their funds and they are back in the game.
+1
(I really don't come here for this... And have better things to do, than to
talk about this kind of subjects... Being a pessimist about it all, I always
have to find the patience - even when exposing it, in a more serious manner,
on my own publication - to talk about it... So, to make
PayPal put a hold on the funds.
Paypay is a criminal organization, they do this all the time to countless
people, just because they can.
Here's but the tip of the iceberg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paypal#Criticism
+1
(I really don't come here for this... And have better things to do, than to
talk about this kind of subjects... Being a pessimist about it all, I always
have to find the patience - even when exposing it, in a more serious manner,
on my own publication - to talk about it... So, to make
It's not that hard to put up such a site. Particularly when you have as many
people working on the project as they do. It gets more complicated when you
have things like a shopping cart, internationalization, translations,
currencies, etc. Those things don't exist with the default deployment
Yes. I can believe that web site, itself, and the video in the first link
that you left here, in the thread (wonderfully made, with lots of special
effects) were made by the people responsible for this project. The thing is,
that it surely takes a lot of money to produce such a quality work,
Using Wired magazine's web site search engine...
search?query=mailpile - 9 results
search?query=trisquel - 0 results
Trisquel is a whole (Freedom and Privacy-oriented) OS that has been around
for 8 years, now. And, Mailpile is a single program that hasn't even been
launched yet.
(You
While I've heard statistics that suggest most people are employed by small
businesses the definition of small business is something like under 500
employees. That leaves a lot of (in my eyes) pretty large businesses to be
unaccounted for. Now if you think about it who employees the most
You are a very paranoid fellow, aren't ya? Doesn't this world have enough
**obvious** problems to be bothered with conspiracies?
I agree. Accusing freedombox of being a malicous conspiracy just because of
wild fantasies about the name and the logo is critical;
The real bad guys don't put hints in their logos or names in order to let
anyone know what they are doing.
I think you're lost in this imagination because it
Fact is that freedombox project died, and kickstarter backers are angry
because of that. If it were conspiracy, it wouldn't have died. That guy truly
has wild imagination.
I never had any problems with nonfree firmware. Sure, it would be nice if we
had it, but it can't hurt anyway. Lets be
I'm sharing a /suspicion/, not a /conviction/ - and, therefore, I'm not
accusing anyone of anything.
I'm not saying that Mailpipe /is/ this, or that. Only what it /might be/,
based on what I know.
As for me being paranoid...
My suspicion comes from 10 years of research, already, about the
I've already said (above) that these kind of signatures are not supposed to
be known by other people who are not part of, or related to, such groups. So,
they're not hints for the general population. But, only something that only
the most well-informed part of the population is (now) aware
Yes. I'm not saying that everyone who works for big corporations, NGOs and
government entities (and even fake/controlled movements) is a bad person. (In
league with their ultimate bosses, and aware of their ultimate goals). I've
worked for them, myself. What I've added, about their
If your referring to Tails explicitly in regards to non-free firmware I think
there is some argument to be made of inclusion. Whether or not I agree with
doing it from an ethics perspective there is a logical argument (more so than
with a generic distribution I think) both to doing it and to
I was thinking about it and just checked it out.
This was one of my concerns from the beginning. I'm not sure it is dead dead.
Although I'm curious as to how much of that 85,000 or so that was raised has
been spent.
As I was saying the project did seem over-ambitious from what I recall. As
For some reason I've always been a skeptic(?) of the Freedombox project.
Probably the wrong word to use. It's probably more along the lines of
doubtful in the ability of those involved to accomplish the mission set
forth. It's probably in part that I haven't felt the projects were focused
Don't you like taking credit for your work? Especially, the one you consider
to be particularly good? Like, one which you would consider to be a master
piece? (I /suppose/ that may be one of the reasons...)
I know that a lot of these people also have a specific type of personality
that has
I've finished checking the links that you left, and I've also finished
informing myself about this FreedomBox project.
(And, although I also don't think that everything that has butterflies in it,
is a NWO conspiracy...)
The fact that this project focuses on social networking, email and
Can you please, please try to put yourself in the shoes of someone who is a
part of a huge conspiracy that you don't want anybody to find out about?
Think. You don't want anybody to find out about it. If they do, the
conspiracy is destroyed. If you are connected to it, your life is
I'll start by sayin' that i believe in your words (the NWO is not new to me
although i still have LOTS and LOTS to learn). But, i don't think that the
FreedomBox is a NWO project (obviously not every butterfly logo on earth
means NWO).
First i thought it could be because of RMS's love of
The FreedomBox name choice, itself, looks like a cynical oxymoron...
Because one associates freedom with the absence of limits, and box with
the exact opposite. And I can easily associate such an oxymoron with the idea
of an entrapment, in which one falls in pursuit of a supposed freedom and
Yes. I'm careful to try not to diverge too much from the original subjects,
and only talk about this kind of issues, when they're related to (and may be
important to understand) the topic being discussed on the thread, and also
when I think they're something important I should warn people
What's wrong with the Enigmail extension for Thunderbird? Thunderbird is a
trusted and stable email program and Enigmail has been supported and accepted
for some time. Oh and there's Bitmessage which is gaining traction and
follows the same methodology as Bitcoin.
What would get
Fernando
Symbolism
I remember my days in college, where we had to research, companies symbols
use for marketing strategies, to convince people they are quality products,
everybody does that. The worse offenders is the massive exploitation of TV
commercials. Yet, it does have some kind of
Well Fernando, we should try to setup an email service in some remote island,
such as Jamaica, or cayman islands, but the problem is the local telecom in
those islands control that area.
I have a paying account with Hushmail.com, so far no issues...
No, there's no need for that.
We can all just use a regular (web-based and free of charge) e-mail box for
our correspondence, and encrypt the letters we want to be private with GnuPG.
Or, alternatively, use such an account for the postcards (i.e.
unencrypted/non-private e-mail) that may be
I think it is more along the lines of software freedom... the distribution is
just one means to obtaining that freedom. I have yet to hear anybody
discouraged from talking about Parabola GNU/Linux or other free software
friendly devices/operating systems when there in line with the goals of
Funding. It all comes down to funding.
I have a more than able individual @ ThinkPenguin who I would love to see
working on this and similar projects. Unfortunately he is kept busy at the
moment with work way beneath him. It's not that this community lacks talent.
It's that we aren't
And, one last thing I will call people's attention to, in here...
(Besides the ultra-professional type of quality marketing campaign -
wonderful site, videos, propaganda etc - for which I don't know were they got
their money from...)
This Mailpile project is promoted by the
http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/09/05/1238242/paypal-freezes-mailpiles-account
As long as Putin is in power, at least, Russia will not become Western-like,
in terms of a great loss of civil rights and an immense Big Brother
surveillance. Putin is no champion of Democracy, yes. But he's also not the
devil that the Western media portraits of him. Putin is hated by
And, speaking of former Russian intelligence officers... The following, is a
Free Software program, that has been repeatedly recommend by two of them, as
a secure mean of private communications.
http://www.911thology.com/cipher_wall.html
(Although, it's intended for use on - the non-free OS
That can be just theatre, made to deceive people. By making it appear as if
this new e-mail hosting service goes against the interests of the
establishment.
Intelligence operations are all about deception.
...Or, you're making baseless speculation that isn't supported by evidence at
all.
And, also, by the way...
(I hesitated to point this out, because I know everyone else in here, but me,
knows about it... But,)
The disguised butterfly symbol, that appears in the logo of the (apparently)
cynically named FreedomBox company - in the Our Community section, in
Mailpipe's web
The disguised butterfly symbol, that appears in the logo of the
(apparently)
cynically named FreedomBox company - in the Our Community section, in
Mailpipe's web page - is a mind control symbol
I stopped reading after this.
You can't expect people to take you seriously with crap like
You can't expect people to take you seriously with crap like this. What
makes you think that a mind control conspiracy would go out of its way to
plant mind control symbols into its activity?
+1
The truth is that people are, in general, not stupid.
-1
Can't agree on this; there are
People are not supposed to know about this kind of symbols - since they are
used by *secret* societies.
The thing is, that, this kind of information has been leaked out (and was not
supposed to) by people who (if you read further, in my previous post) have
proven to be credible persons.
On 08/09/13 03:11, Fernando Negro wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks someone might be reading the
conversations held in MSN Messenger?
http://omnitechsupporter.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/MSN-Messenger-300x243.jpg
No, they are surely spying on MSN conversations. MSN has now been
Check out the Our Community section, of this project's web page, that lists
the foundations and companies without which this same project wouldn't be
able to exist:
http://www.mailpile.is/
Am I the only one who finds it... let's say, funny... that this alternative
service was made, in
I rather use for know https://mail.riseup.net/
Fernando
You said:
(You know, the name of that novel in which there was a fake movement, created
by the establishment, that was actually a trap...)
I'm lost in the translation? What is exactly, are you referring too or
saying?
That this email services is sponsor by the government?
I
Concerning the novel, and the fake movement that is part of its plot, I'm
referring to this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Brotherhood_%28Nineteen_Eighty-Four%29
And, when I talk about the establishment, I'm referring to both the
powers-that-be of that same plot (in the novel) and the
For now,
(and, although I still consider myself an adept of the red-and-black
ideology, that is pictured at riseup.net)
I use https://mail.ru/ (with its interface in English) - that is a (very)
good service that, not only is hosted in a democracy not in control of the
Western Big Brother
While I think there may be some merit to the .ru for certain activities the
government has been cracking down and becoming more western-like. Many of the
things which were illegal yesterday, but tolerated, aren't tolerated today.
The thing with Russia is everything was illegal 10-15 years
Isn't there already a free email client, or at least plug-ins, eg Thunderbird
with Enigmail and GnuGPG (I haven't used this.)
I have been using Tails lately in an attempt to be more secure
https://tails.boum.org/
It includes Claws mail going thru Tor. As it's a live system, it's more
Yes, Tails is an option, if you don't mind the extremely limited usability. I
have decided to use Tor Broswer in a non compromised system (which I believe
Trisquel may provide).
One option you would have was to go with Thunderbird (or icedove) and use
Torbirdy extension. Its made by the Tor
I have not used it, but I think BitMessage is supposed to encrypt everything
including the sender and receiver, which would effectively do just that -
https://bitmessage.org/wiki/Main_Page
I wanted to make people aware of a new free software project that aims to
develop user-friendly secure and private email. The aim goes far behind what
we have today. With support for things like OpenGPG (but with interfaces that
are user friendly) and TLS (security).
I've made a small
This program is free software: you can redistribute it and/or modify it
under the terms of the GNU Affero General Public License as published by the
Free Software Foundation, either version 3 of the License, or (at your
option) any later version.
--
Thank you for sharing that important imformation. Thanks to that, even more
people can help the project and fight against PRISM
Do you know of any statements concerning the encryption of e-mail metadata?
Unfortunately, it doesn't help a lot to encrypt all the contents of your
e-mails if all the secret services of this world still know who you are
talking to.
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