Re: [Trisquel-users] Major changes in the next Trisquel release

2013-06-14 Thread Dave Hunt
The ppas could still be added, though with a bit more manual work; it's not as easy as, for instance, sudo add-apt-repository ppa:sparkers You'd have to go to the launchpad page, locate the 'deb' and 'deb src' lines for the ppa of interest, add them to '/etc/sources.list', and add the gpg

Re: [Trisquel-users] Major changes in the next Trisquel release

2013-06-13 Thread n3ptun3jvpit3r
I've tried a lot of desktop environments. I don't like MATE, Cinnamon or anything else except Gnome 2.x. Scientific Linux for example still uses Gnome 2.x and they are supported until 2017 I believe as an OS for CERN. Trisquel 6.0 looks great like it is. I did however notice that in the

Re: [Trisquel-users] Major changes in the next Trisquel release

2013-06-13 Thread mikko . viinamaki
I did however notice that in the Privacy section there is a box about sending data to Canonical (from the Ubuntu derivation obviously) Where exactly so it can be removed?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Major changes in the next Trisquel release

2013-06-13 Thread Dave Hunt
I've tried lots of distros; let's go with Debian as the basis for future releases.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Major changes in the next Trisquel release

2013-06-13 Thread icarolongo
Privacy section? Where is it?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Major changes in the next Trisquel release

2013-06-13 Thread tegskywalker
Debian? Trisquel is already low on resources and taking on Debian is a whole beast on itself. Linux Mint has a Debian edition, but it is VERY behind and a bitch to maintain. If you thought Trisquel releases were slow, double or triple that with a Debian move. A benefit of an Ubuntu base is

Re: [Trisquel-users] Major changes in the next Trisquel release

2013-06-13 Thread shiretoko
Well, I think Trisquel is great and I just want it to switch to debian for its own sake. Staying with ubuntu is risky and maybe it leads to a dead end for free software lovers one day. I agree with you saying ubuntu is the best choice at the moment (!) but we should consider future times.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Major changes in the next Trisquel release

2013-06-13 Thread n3ptun3jvpit3r
icarolongo: It's in my Systems Settings under the System section at the bottom. If you don't see it in your install, it's probably because I checked a box to make it visible to me somewhere after my fresh install of Trisquel 6.0. It's the exact same privacy section feature Ubuntu has had

Re: [Trisquel-users] Major changes in the next Trisquel release

2013-06-13 Thread n3ptun3jvpit3r
I totally agree with you quantumgravity. I started using Ubuntu in 2006 and thought it was really a great idea. But when they recently made the corporate/fascist type changes, I was outta there. It'd be nice if companies could be ethical and have values but the US law precludes that, they

Re: [Trisquel-users] Major changes in the next Trisquel release

2013-06-13 Thread trisqit
Blue J: I think there's a lot of people around here that share your feelings about a Debian-based Trisquel being the best thing ever ... I'm certainly one of them. But it's clear that this is very unlikely to happen anytime soon, and it seems to be mostly related to the workload involved

Re: [Trisquel-users] Major changes in the next Trisquel release

2013-06-13 Thread ejectmail
Here's something I'd like fixed in the next release: when you click the main GNOME menu the first time after starting up, it takes a long time (about 1-3 seconds, really, but it ought to be instantaneous) to load, because of all the images that need to be retrieved. Then each item in the

Re: [Trisquel-users] Major changes in the next Trisquel release

2013-06-13 Thread christian
I'm still somewhat new to linux systems, but I've found that ppas work well with Trisquel and are a painless way to install software not in the repositories (sage, lightspark, etc) or get needed updates for outdated software in the repositories. I figured these work flawlessly strictly

Re: [Trisquel-users] Major changes in the next Trisquel release

2013-06-10 Thread adfenohuvlov
I'm pretty sure that almost everyone agrees with kernelKurtz and mostly with Dave_Hunt. I'm not here to put rocks in Trisquel's development path but, as long as the other desktop environments don't have full accessibility, I think it's wise to continue with GNOME, the fallback version if

Re: [Trisquel-users] Major changes in the next Trisquel release

2013-06-09 Thread Dave Hunt
Hi, I almost always use the windowing environment, though console access would be nice if it were easy to set up. I would like to see the Trisquel network install with an accessible console option, like the new Debian Net Install has. In the Wheezy net installer, the user types a single

Re: [Trisquel-users] Major changes in the next Trisquel release

2013-06-08 Thread nowaman
How important are visually impaled persons? Is it a priority to be able to fully control your computer without actually seeing the screen? How usable are these different windowing systems?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Major changes in the next Trisquel release

2013-06-08 Thread tegskywalker
Cinnamon by default uses 3d, but there is also a 2d mode which uses up extra CPU. In that case if you cannot run it with libre drivers, is to go with the Mini or MATE route. Cinnamon uses GTK3 and is based on an older Gnome 3 while MATE is GTK2 based and based on Gnome 2. Someone else here

Re: [Trisquel-users] Major changes in the next Trisquel release

2013-06-08 Thread Dave Hunt
if Cinnamon is, as you say a more mature and vital project than is Consort, maybe making it accessible is as simple as adding the at-spi stack that already works with GTK3? It could just be that Linux Mint doesn't include this stack? If, even with the at stack installed, an instance of

Re: [Trisquel-users] Major changes in the next Trisquel release

2013-06-08 Thread Dave Hunt
I'm as important a human as anyone with working eyeballs! It follows that I should have as much control of my computing as someone who happens to be able to read a screen. Some sort of windowing environment and the console must be accessible by means of alternate inputs and outputs.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Major changes in the next Trisquel release

2013-06-08 Thread trisqit
Yes you are, Dave, and you shouldn't have to say it for it to be true. We're all impaired (not impaled, Telstar, for f's sake ... :)) and regardless of the flavor of our impairment, any project should take Real Accessibility seriously. From what I've read and watched, that's more true of

Re: [Trisquel-users] Major changes in the next Trisquel release

2013-06-07 Thread Julius22
Le Fri, 7 Jun 2013 22:19:34 +0200 (CEST), tegskywal...@hotmail.com a écrit : Trisquel 7 (or 6.5) will be based on Ubuntu 14.04 LTS and hopefully released a few months after. It was smart for the Trisquel team to bring stability by being LTS only and ensuring a rock solid libre distribution.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Major changes in the next Trisquel release

2013-06-07 Thread gnufreeme
Hey t3g. As a Fluxbox and Openbox user, I may not have as much experience as you do on these desktops. May I please ask a few questions? Cinnamon: I believe Cinnamon is GTK3/Gnome3-based. Doesn't Cinnamon use 3D rendering? If so, isn't that the same problem as Gnome-Shell for those

Re: [Trisquel-users] Major changes in the next Trisquel release

2013-06-07 Thread Dave Hunt
Any system I use must have a working Orca screen reader. The GNOME Fallback, as hacked by Rubin et al, works very well with Orca (at least as well as does the un-hacked Fallback); I prefer Trisquel's layout to Ubuntu's. If customizing Fallback is really the cause of some delays in getting

Re: [Trisquel-users] Major changes in the next Trisquel release

2013-06-07 Thread icarolongo
Trisquel LTS 4 6 8 - release in 2014 or 2015. I prefer GNOME 3.10 or 3.12 (4.0) release in March 2014. And fallback can be Consort with GTK 3. Trisquel Mini is for old computers or with small resources. It can run with 128MB of RAM. LXDE is better for this - but we have others options like

Re: [Trisquel-users] Major changes in the next Trisquel release

2013-06-07 Thread Dave Hunt
Let's go with whatever GNOME is latest by March 2014 for those who can run the shell; Consort for the 2-d desktop.