Re: [TruthTalk] Only 9 of the 10 commandments?

2002-11-14 Thread Marlin Halverson
"St. Patrick's "DAY" -- Come join with us to worship JESUS as did the Irish Patrick of old on this coming Sabbath, the Seventh Day, commonly called "Saturday." Like other Christian Irishmen of his time, Patrick was a Sabbath-keeper, kept Passover and the dietary laws of Moses, and s

Re: [TruthTalk] Only 9 of the 10 commandments?

2002-11-14 Thread Marlin Halverson
 I have experienced Sabbath Keeping as a wonderful Gift from God!    So do we!   --Marlin - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 9:29 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Only 9 of the 10 commandments?

RE: [TruthTalk] Legalism and Old Testament Law Keeping

2002-11-14 Thread ShieldsFamily
Glenn,   Did you read the passages that David Miller recommended from John Wesley? http://gbgm-umc.org/umhistory/wesley/perfect.html  I have been reading them, and plan to read them together with my Beloved Sweetie. Here is one excerpt:   “The sea is an excellent figure of the fullness

[TruthTalk] Legalism and Old Testament Law Keeping

2002-11-14 Thread GJTabor
What Do I Actually Love When I Love God? Japanese philosopher Kirtaro Nishida said that religion is a raft that sails on the endless sea. If so, then we must be vigilant that we don't allow our preoccupation with the business on the raft to displace God's business, which is love. I like Meister

Re: [TruthTalk] Only 9 of the 10 commandments?

2002-11-14 Thread GJTabor
Izzy, I understand what you are saying now.   I have taken time like this.  I do take time like this in the future.  Time to be alone with God.  I didn't see that as observing the Sabbath.  I don't do it on any particular day or time schedule.    I have done it days at a time and only an hour or 5

RE: [TruthTalk] Only 9 of the 10 commandments?

2002-11-14 Thread ShieldsFamily
Hi Glenn,   I think I understand where you are coming from, as far as not being under bondage.  You apparently were beaten down by legalistic attitudes in the past, and rightfully are wiser and more cautious because of it.  You are right that we are free from that!   However, in keeping

Re: [TruthTalk] Only 9 of the 10 commandments?

2002-11-14 Thread GJTabor
I will not, in no uncertain terms (note double negative), allow any person to bind on me anything that is not bound in the Bible.  Those who follow the "argument from silence" are doomed to believe anything. I have seen on on TT OVER AND OVER.  Just as Americans have to fight for their physical fre

Re: [TruthTalk] Only 9 of the 10 commandments?

2002-11-14 Thread David Miller
I've been out of town for awhile. Before I left, Glenn said he was stepping out of the discussion, so I thought I would find just a few posts from Marlin and Izzy, and maybe a few others when I got back. Instead, there were nearly 100 posts! It doesn't look like I'm going to have time to get too

Re: [TruthTalk] Here's an argument against musical instruments in worship

2002-11-14 Thread michael douglas
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Agreed, the question, "Does it bring spiritual edification and does it honor Christ" is vital.  This is where the Holy Spirit comes in the direct us when the Bible is silent.  The "argument from silence" is to be understood against making "silence" a prohibition and con

Re: [TruthTalk] salvation?

2002-11-14 Thread michael douglas
Michael D:  My apologies TTers. This e-mail is not what I sent. I don't understand why the message I posted was apparently replaced by this... This is disturbing and disappointing. Insights any one?    michael douglas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits yo

Re: [TruthTalk] salvation?

2002-11-14 Thread michael douglas
Get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your needs.

Re: [TruthTalk] salvation?

2002-11-14 Thread GJTabor
Wow!  You said it much better than I could.  I am amazed that anyone could even possible disagree with this.   Give me liberty or give me death. In other words, trying to impose the requirements of the law on those who are called to walk in the Spirit, and who are declared righteous in Christ. Ga

Re: [TruthTalk] Only 9 of the 10 commandments?

2002-11-14 Thread GJTabor
Dear Izzy, Far be it from me to think you are lying.  I in no way think you are lying.  However, I think you MIGHT be doing it without realizing it.  But I am wrong, I'm sure.  :-)   WHY would you want to follow the law when Christ HIMSELF is the fullfillment of the law?  Luke 24:27,44.   Glenn,

Re: [TruthTalk] Only 9 of the 10 commandments?

2002-11-14 Thread GJTabor
I know it.  It seems the truth is hard to swallow.  :-)  OR MY ME, TO WATER DOWN THE TRUTH IN SMALL BITS AND PIECES IS HARD FOR ME TO DO.  I spent a thousand years in religious bondage (a slight exaggeration) and it is so sickening to see people living in such a state.  I guess you could say it t

RE: [TruthTalk] Only 9 of the 10 commandments?

2002-11-14 Thread ShieldsFamily
Glenn,   You still don’t understand that I am not seeking justification through obeying the Sabbath commandment. Do you think I am lying? Do you know my motives better than I do?   Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL P

RE: [TruthTalk] Only 9 of the 10 commandments?

2002-11-14 Thread ShieldsFamily
Glenn, You seem to be getting a bit testy here—remember: sweetness and kindness! Izzy   -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 11:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] O