The 'game', David, was in the redefining of JD.
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Lance wrote:
You play fast and loose with the (human)
language along with the
Well put John,
The keepers are accumulating, I think I'm going to
have to start a file, hows this, "Smithson's Wisdom"
or "Truth According to John"
Jeff
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The Midrash, I think, merely sated that Cain
had no previous event upon which to base the severity of his action... and this
may very well be true.However, in trying to read the best out of the
situation, we cannot ignore the previous paragraph where God tells Cain to watch
his attitude.
The
logic you used in this post, John, is why I said it was a matter of perspective
whether the covenant requires passive or active participation on Avraham's part.
It's a matter of HOW one looks at the data and what data they choose to
incorporate. It was not an attempt on my part to dodge
From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Suggestion:Combine
rationalism with imagination. The role of imagination inbiblical and
theological thinking is under rated.
jt: And well it should be lest we find at the end that
we are holding to a god of
our own imagination - a figment if you
will.
Jt:'And well it (the imagination) should be'???
DearG:Might you be so kind as to provide a 'word'
(No, forget that I saidA WORD) on the role of the imagination in the life
of every human being? You are TT's most imaginative contributor.
Narrative comprises most of the Older Testament.
From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jt:'And well it (the imagination) should be'???
DearG:Might you be so kind as to provide a 'word'
(No, forget that I saidA WORD) on the role of the imagination in the life
of every human being? You are TT's most imaginative contributor.
jt: Why ask
Jt:Thanks for taking the time, as you always do, to
read and, respond in detail. I do appreciate this about you.
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Sent: November 23, 2004 07:23
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Covenant?
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In a message dated 11/23/2004 4:46:25 AM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The Midrash, I think, merely sated that
Cain had no previous event upon which to base the severity of his action...
and this may very well be true.However, in trying to read the best out
of
Cooel. I work something up this
evening.
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On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:37:02 -0700 "Bill Taylor"
In a message dated 11/23/2004 3:12:47 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Well put John,
The keepers are accumulating, I think I'm going to have to start a file, hows this, "Smithson's Wisdom"
or "Truth According to John"
Jeff
Whoa -- you are being way to kind but thank you,
In a message dated 11/23/2004 2:50:13 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The logic you used in this post, John, is why I said it was a matter of perspective whether the covenant requires passive or active participation on Avraham's part. It's a matter of HOW one looks at the
David
M was getting frustrated with me because I wouldn't give him a "straight answer"
to his passive/active question (like the only answer had to be active
or passive; like the question, "When did you stop beating your wife").
I was referring to his reaction to my "nonanswer" which in
Sometimes the imagination can also be overrated. We have Christians and
Jewish people who read all sorts of "spiritual truths" into passages and claim
these "spiritual interpretations" are better than the plain sense interpretation
of Scripture. In this scope, Judy [the pot] calls the kettle
Slade wrote:
... like the only answer had to be active or passive;
like the question, When did you stop beating your wife.
The question, when did you stop beating your wife, assumes that the person
has been beating his wife, and if this assumption is not true, then it
becomes difficult to
Abraham was an active participant. He didn't just sit back and let
God move - he had to ober God and do what God told him to do.
Laura
John wrote:
You seem to like the idea of a harsh
God.
Not exactly. It makes me tremble to think of
how harsh he is. How is he able to create a hell and execute judgment the
way he does? I am far from being able to do anything like that.
John wrote:
One is
not a "passive participant"
DAVE... Perspective certainly does play a role in answering any question,
but when I give you the freedom to answer from your own perspective, it
should be easy enough for you and others to consider the question and answer
it based upon your best judgment. Your answer can be short or it can be
while he wasasleep,
Laura? how does this stuff work; e.g., what's the relationship betw sleeping
anddreaming and/or 'visions'; e.g., even you and the seer jt 'see' during
your dreams don't you(?)--in a way, although perhaps it's ovrlapping with
Freudian modernityor something, isn't that
great--take your
time, no rush--i'm already abt 7000 emails
behindvbg
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 07:01:16 -0700 "Bill Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Cooel. I work something up this
evening.
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In a message dated 11/23/2004 5:26:50 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
while he
wasasleep, Laura? how does this stuff work; e.g., what's the relationship betw
sleeping anddreaming and/or 'visions'; e.g., even you and the seer jt
'see' during your dreams don't
While trying to find a cheaper copy of the The Old Syriac Gospels, Studies and Comparative
Translations, I came across this information. I
thought I'd bring it forward for your perusal and comment.
-- slade
FROM ISHTAR TO EASTER
On 1 April this year,
Christians churches around the world
In a message dated 11/23/2004 1:22:54 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
David M was getting frustrated with me because I wouldn't give him a "straight answer" to his passive/active question (like the only answer had to be active or passive; like the question, "When did you stop
In a message dated 11/23/2004 2:14:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Abraham was an active participant. He didn't just sit back and let God move - he had to ober God and do what God told him to do. Laura
Was his obedience necessary to the continuance and fulfillment of the
In a message dated 11/23/2004 2:35:20 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John wrote:
You seem to like the idea of a harsh God.
Not exactly. It makes me tremble to think of how harsh he is. How is he able to create a hell and execute judgment the way he does? I am far from
That
is a HUGE question, John. If Avraham's obedience was a necessary component to
the continuance of the covenant, we're in a heap of. well, you know
:)!
--
slade
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In a message dated 11/23/2004 6:57:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
That is a HUGE question, John. If Avraham's obedience was a necessary component to the continuance of the covenant, we're in a heap of. well, you know :)!
-- slade
Oh no !!! Let's not go there again
In a message dated 11/23/2004 8:08:01 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Was his
obedience necessary to the continuance and fulfillment of the covenant
promise?
I haven't really thought about it. I think I'd have to say yes.
Anyone else disagree? Laura
In a message dated 11/23/2004 7:09:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In a message dated 11/23/2004 8:08:01 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Was his obedience necessary to the continuance and fulfillment of the covenant promise?
I haven't really
In a message dated 11/23/2004 9:16:13 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Laura,
bless your heart. I was kind of hoping for a little more meat on
the bone. But "yes" may be profoundly to the point.
I guess I am being simplistic but in order for God's plan to work (I
I have always appreciated your contributions.
You will be missed. --Marlin
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I have come to the
conclusion (duh!) that
I'm working even as we speak . .
. vbg
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Covenant?
great--take your
time, no rush--i'm already abt 7000
not
really.
give it
time..
we'll see whatothers
present about the quality/ies of theunilateral covenant
(theconcept), but even now, through the Spirit, onecould imagine
thatit has to with the fact that Abe was imposed upon,
over-ridden,perhaps as below...
but being easily imposed
upon
In a message dated 11/23/2004 7:31:15 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I guess I am being simplistic but in order for God's plan to work (I realize that God knew what Abraham would do) he had to obey. We have been studying Genesis this quarter and I am once again amazed at
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