In a message dated 4/12/2005 9:22:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Also -- since we are not under law, the qualifiying statements found in I Tim 3 are suggestions -- not legal requirements.
Jd
That seems to be your underlying belief about most, if not all, of the
Thank you Caroline. It occurs to me that if salvation, for the most part, is being given Divine Direction, finding our way. deliverance from self --- then being "lost " is the very opposite. Nothing more.
If being lost is having lost our way, wondering about with nothing to bounce o
JD, it's amazing to read your developing thoughts
in this area. Don't give up!
Love
Caroline
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It seems that the majority of people here believe that Christ Jesus died for
the sins of all men and that God wills that all men be saved.
The majority believes most men will end up in hell either through
a) ignorance because they never heard
b) disbelief - heard but didn't respond in faith
c) re
I don't know what I think about living together without a legal ceremony. I suppose that if the couple has made a conscious commitment to one another they are "married." I mean, the state does not tell them to separate. It seems to me that there is a difference between living together an
Matt 1:21: For he shall save his people from their sins.
Sin is something we do to ourselves. It brings death. We are dead already.
He saves us from ourselves !!
Matt 8:25 (in the storm) Lord, save us.
Here, salvation is the work of
Bruxy Cavey is the pastor of one of the largest church in Canada. (Meeting
House of Oakville). He was divorced when he became the senior pastor of the
church before it became the mega-church it is today.
One interpretation of that biblical verse is that
leaders should not have more than on
Well, I will say this, Judy: you certainly
understood the ramifications of the question. Thank you for the candid response.
I believe it has serious problems -- but, as you know, we've been down that road
before :>) Have a nice evening.
Bill
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Judy
(btw, i prefer
Sze-kar's 'perfection':)
On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 21:24:07 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Carolyn, a poem
from Sze[-kar] Wan*..
*
"Eyes, once
opened, cannot be shut.
Minds, having
embraced the real, the solid, Light itself,
will not return
to the c
(btw, i prefer
Sze-kar's 'perfection':)
On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 21:24:07 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Carolyn, a poem
from Sze[-kar] Wan*..
*
"Eyes, once
opened, cannot be shut.
Minds, having
embraced the real, the solid, Light itself,
will not return
to the c
myth (the KoG isn't
founded on [Izzy's] rule of law--the King's founding father
ain't George Washington)
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 21:51:15 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
the
commandments and requirements of scripture.. Why not just let God’s
“kingdom” rule,
In a message dated 4/12/2005 7:46:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Godâs Kingdom: Now Godâs own âkingdomâ or âruleâ, is the range of his effective will, where what he wants done is done. The person of God himself and the action of his will are the organizing principle of h
and you and
the founding fathers are one
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 08:43:39 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
>..the pure to the Pure, the rebellious to the
Rebellious
I believe that the seed was always spiritual in nature,
ie Abraham had two sons only Isaac was the son of promise.
Jesus was Jewish in the sense that he was born under
the Law in the nation of Israel - as for His blood. We are
told in Heb 9:13,14 that the blood of bulls and goats
sanctified t
Also -- since we are not under law, the qualifiying
statements found in I Tim 3 are
suggestions -- not legal requirements.
Jd
That seems to be your underlying belief
about most, if not all, of the commandments and requirements of scripture,
JD. Why not just let God’s “kingdom”
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Christ came as King. He
was the Kingdom (the kingdom is in your midst).
Cool.
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#13 will be the
eternal security of the child of God
In a message dated 4/12/2005 7:20:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What church would allow a divorced pastor to remain in the pulpit? If I remember the qualifications correctly, the bishop (pastor) must rule his family well and be the husband of one wife. Divorce would disq
#13 will be the eternal security of the child of God
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Then I fell away from the tranditional Church after my divorce (that
Church was not about to allow a divorced pastor to have a pulpit),
=
What church would allow a divorced
Good can come from all this, at least for me. I used to have a great deal of scripture memorized -- whole books.
Then I fell away from the tranditional Church after my divorce (that Church was not about to allow a divorced pastor to have a pulpit), From '87 ti '97 -- ten years -- I
The word "kingdom" is used in a number of differing ways in scripture. One of it's usages has to do with the present time reality IN THE DAYS AND LIFE OF CHRIST and the prophectical message of same in the Older scriptures. This is not the only way it is used, but many you all will conveniently
I imagine that Lance has gone home for the day. Do
you mind if I ask a question in his absence? You acknowledge that Jesus' mother
was Jewish, but you stop short of saying the same about Jesus, and so I am still
curious: Do you believe that the man Jesus Christ was also a Jew; in other
words
Neither Lance, I understand that Jesus was born to a
young Jewish girl and I'm not against Jews of any
generation. However, He is King of much more than
the Jews and His Kingdom is not of this realm - He
said so. judyt
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 14:49:29 -0400 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wri
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 01:27:01 EDT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:So, while we are proof-texting like a drunken sailor, we might consider this: Jews lived and died as the the King of the JEWS. Jesus didn't live and die
as the "King of the Jews" that was a title given by the Romans; in actuality H
In a message dated 4/12/2005 11:43:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 01:27:01 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So, while we are proof-texting like a drunken sailor, we might consider this:
Jews lived and died as the the King of the JEWS.
Jesus didn'
An interloper asks Jt:Are you antisemitic or
confused about the Jewishness of Jesus? This is not, I repeat not, an
accusation. The foregoing is a question.
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On Tue, 12 Apr 2005
01:27:01 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
So, while we are
proof-texting like a drunken sailor, we might consider this: Jews lived and died as the the King of the
JEWS. Jesus didn't live and die as the
"King of the Jews" that was a title given by the Romans; in actua
In a message dated 4/12/2005 10:13:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
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We were not talking who was first, John.. We were discussing the importance of obedience. It is pretty obvious that you will never get it, s
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Do you honestly believe that what Jesus
taught was only valid for pre resurrection Jews?Did I say this Terry. The answer is NO. Not even
close. Try reading apart from yo
From: "Caroline Wong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
A quick poll for TT:
Who here believes in limited atonement or universal atonement? In other
words, did Jesus die for the sins of the saved or the sins of all men?
Jesus died for the sins of all, but not all will be saved.
Who here believes in predestinati
In a message dated 4/11/2005 5:44:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I am only reading scripture. Specifically, with what part of the argument (above) do you disagree? I would like to know.
Jd
All of it. Izzy
Another non- answer. Clever. Allows more time form t
In a message dated 4/12/2005 6:19:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
A quick poll for TT:
Who here believes in limited atonement or universal atonement? In other
words, did Jesus die for the sins of the saved or the sins of all men?
John 3:16 for all? That is my wild gue
John wrote:
> When I perform
a ceremony, I have to fill out a
> form declaring what chruch I am affliated and
> my ordination date. I will go in a
check on this
> tomorrow.
Of course he would have to
fill out the marriage license of the couple, but just because he is a pastor
from ano
In a message dated 4/12/2005 6:19:17 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You all want virtually no one to go to heaven -- fine.
JD
JD, you just want scriptures about obedience to be to the Jews only. (Not a good way to get everyone to go to heaven!) Izzy
Silliness in
In a message dated 4/12/2005 3:51:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Duh!!
What does CAUGHT UP to the THIRD HEAVEN mean Lance? To me this (2 Cor 12:2)
tell us that heaven is up rather than down and that there are three of them. judyt
Shouting or emphasizing, Judy??
In a message dated 4/12/2005 3:34:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
JD, I would respond except that this is past the point of discussion. You have an "attitude" and you
are shouting. jt
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 01:27:01 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In a message dated 4/1
In a message dated 4/11/2005 6:35:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You might want to look at Rev. 7:14 in the Greek. These are they who came
out of THE TRIBULATION THE GREAT.
I don't care where they came from (to the great tribulation is happening now --- especially ev
In a message dated 4/11/2005 6:22:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John wrote:
>In Galatians, Paul makes clear the teaching on
>holy days -- there are none.
Can you elaborate on this, John? What specific passage did you have in
mind?
Gal. 2:19; 4: 9-11; Romans 14 (w
ShieldsFamily wrote:
Izzy’s FWIW responses in blue:
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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So, was Paul translated into another time-space within our
universe? Did he enter an alt
Izzy’s FWIW responses in blue:
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Wong
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A quick poll
So, was Paul translated into another time-space
within our universe? Did he enter an alternate reality/universe bodily? Or was
he describing a spiritual space that he visited spiritually?
The Medievals read that scripture and theorized
that things become more perfect the higher up (in spac
Judy, don’t fret; Lance probably
doesn’t get it when we say his theology makes us “Throw UP”
either. J Izzy
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A quick poll for TT:
Who here believes in limited atonement or universal atonement? In other
words, did Jesus die for the sins of the saved or the sins of all men?
Who here believes in predestination, double predestination or universal
access? In other words, are some people predestined by God t
You all want virtually no one to go to heaven
-- fine.
JD
JD, you just want scriptures about
obedience to be to the Jews only.
(Not a good way to get everyone to go to heaven!) Izzy
Consider all the people that Jesus cast demons out
of. Were they happy go-lucky people? The healthy and the wealthy of
the society? Did they notice when the demons were gone? Who said the
parable about Lazarus and the rich man was about demonization? Was that even a
secondary or tertiary poi
From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
DAVEH: Pretty funny stuff coming from a guy who admits to not
understanding the Trinity, Perry!
Dave, you are playing a little loose with me here. I understnd the Trinity
in the context in which it is presented in the Bible...I do not understand
the aspects
So then, you did not understand my post? Why don't
we wait on DM in order to determine if he did?
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Duh!!
What does CAUGHT UP to the THIRD HEAVEN mean
Lance? To me this (2 Cor 12:2)
tell us that heaven is up rather than down and that there are three of
them. judyt
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 05:37:04 -0400 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:> This scripture demonstrates nothing. Up? I g
JD, I would respond except that this is
past the point of discussion. You have an "attitude" and you
are shouting. jt
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 01:27:01 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In a message dated 4/11/2005 1:31:46 PM Pacific
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This scripture demonstrates nothing. Up? I guess that's your point. The 'sun
also RISES.'
May I assume that you and Izzie are 'one' are the point of hell at the
center of the earth?
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DAVEH: Yes it is curious, Lance. And, I will be curious to see if
either Kevin or Perry believes that Jesus is not literally the Son of
God.
Lance Muir wrote:
Persons who disagree with us, not
surprisingly, tend NOT to discuss/explain to our satisfaction. Curious,
isn't it?
DAVEH: Pretty funny stuff coming from a guy who admits to not
understanding the Trinity, Perry!
So Perry.let me ask you the same question I asked Kevin. Do
you agree with the author, that Jesus is not the literal Son
of God?
...As a friend once said, "Thanks. Inquiri
DAVEH: Thanx for the load Kevin, but you did seemingly overlook one
aspect of my post. So, do you agree with the author that Jesus is not
the literal Son of God???
And since you don't like the one in purpose suggestion,
perhaps you can explain how we can be one with God as Jesus is
one
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