Charles Perry Locke wrote:
David, and Dave,
Dave states that he is "not here [on TT] to learn the truth...he is
here to learn what protestants think, and why". While not part of his
"pat" statement about why he is on TT, he also said that he is not here
tio convert anyone to mormonis
David Miller wrote:
Blaine wrote:
... it came through to me that she was one of my
immediate ancestors, a woman born in Norway,
who had been active in converting her husband and
family to Mormonism, and that she was there to show
her approval of what we were in process of doing.
-Original Message-From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 25 May 2005 08:42:36 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fond Farewells- Salvation
John wrote:
> dicussions never begin with personal
> attacks, well meaning or not.
I don't think pointing out
DAVEH: Christine, how do you understand Job 1:6
Now thee was a day when the sons of God came to present
themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.
Do you believe the sons of God are similar in context
as are the children of God?
Christine Miller wrote:
DAVEH: Andthose who spend the big bucks with you, bless you the
most! :-$
Terry Clifton wrote:
Everyone
who comes to my shop is a blessing.. Some bless me by coming
in. Others bless me by leaving.
--
~~~
Dave Hansen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.langlitz.c
That is exactly what Christ did -- hard on the leadership and gentle with the likes of you, Izzy.
JD -Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 24 May 2005 11:08:29 -0500Subject: RE: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Fond Farewells- Salvation
Blaine: Adam was the first man. He was the father of our race
as we know it. We do not know how he came to exist in the flesh, other
than he was, as the Bible states, created from the dust of the
earth. In the spirit pre-existence, he was Michael, the Archangel, leader
of all the hos
In a message dated 5/25/2005 6:03:14 AM Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
"The President of the Church is the only man on earth
authorized by God to go beyond or add to the
scriptures" Teachings of the Living Prophets P18
published CJCLDS 1982
Blaine: Even the
David -- why did you send this to me? I am mising something. -Original Message-From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 25 May 2005 11:38:24 AM Eastern Daylight TimeSubject: (no subject)
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So how many times have I brought it up? Don't want to answer?
I understand why.
JD -Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 25 May 2005 17:10:56 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fond Farewells- Salvation
YOU are the one w
Blaine: As Lance points out, there are differing opinions regards the
doctrine of a Pre-existence in the Bible. Reason stares, however, if
we deny the strong probability that we existed before this probationary
period. 1/3 of the hosts of Heaven followed Satan, the other
2/3 sooner or
Blaine: Hi Judy. OOps! Your almost total
unfamiliarity with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is showing,
big time!! The Bible is not only used by the church, but is a mainstay
Standard Work. Much time and many dollars were spent to cross-reference
the Bible with othe
Kevion wrote: Adam God is even in your standard works, hardly "a
little vague"
Blaine: Really? Where? To my knowledge, it is
not and never was in any standard work of the Church, eg, the Book of
Mormon, the D&C, the P of GP, definitely not in the Bible
(also a Standard Work). Wha
J
==
Everyone who comes to my
shop is a blessing.. Some bless me by coming in. Others bless me by
leaving.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
She had no idea just how happy she was until she left. It's kind of
like you and me. I am older than you, so I will probably die before
you (God forbid). At that time -- you may discover just what a
blessing I was in your life.
JD
===
FTR, (i
think) the contrasts added in the reply below add creatively to
the readability of both post/s, adds contrast in the reply to the
poster's paragraph/s; it enhances the quality of the
discussion
(thx)
also, the
TT ad hominem rule continues its reign here
'enforced' in as postiv
-Original Message-From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 25 May 2005 08:42:36 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fond Farewells- Salvation
John wrote:
> dicussions never begin with personal
> attacks, well meaning or not.
I don't think pointing out
-Original Message-From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 25 May 2005 08:53:15 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fond Farewells- Salvation
John wrote:
> I am surprised at your affiliation with the
> Cof C (non-instrument?.
Yes, non-instrument.
Joh
She had no idea just how happy she was until she left. It's kind of like you and me. I am older than you, so I will probably die before you (God forbid). At that time -- you may discover just what a blessing I was in your life.
JD -Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL
I am still missing some posts. I will work on this -- especially #7
Comments to David are included in this post.
6. Yes John this is me, he of the critical spirit vis a vis David Miller
speaking, but I do believe that there exists more in common between the two
of you than you 'see'.
7. I'd
Hey, I’m up for it!!! I’d like
to hear their stories. Izzy
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If she was so happy why is she the ex?
Waiting as The World Turns. Izzy
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YOU are the one who brings it up.
Why?? (I made tacos for dinner. Proof that I can take the heat in the
kitchen. Very healthy!) Izzy
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You are living proof, Lance. :-) Izzy
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angels. was:
SO, “if the lady can’t stand
the heat, it’s okay if I’m rude and insulting”??? You know
where to send my checks. J Izzy
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Good idea -- if their comments are accepted by the opposition. Otherwise, it will the very waste of time they thought to excape --- I imagine. I'm all ears..
JD -Original Message-From: Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 25 May 2005 09:23:57
Good illustration. Tell us of your experience with blinders. Inquiring minds -- -Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 25 May 2005 13:47:17 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is sin
Exactly right, jt. When one has blin
Would this include my previously happy ex wife?
JD -Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 25 May 2005 13:41:18 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Dave uses Socratic Method of Teaching LDS doctrine on TT
So you believe angels a
Yes and that thoughtful believer just might be you, Christine !! Have you ever changed your mind
in regards to the meaning of a particular passage? Of course you have. How do you know, then, that
what you now accept is not due for change sometime in the future? Answer: you don't. This
What is it with this "PhD" thing you got going on, Izzy. Over the past, say, five months -- how many tinmes have I mentioned it? Threetimes, or four ?? The last time was to set up the fact that David is eduacted and, therefore, able to carry on discussions without first becoming personal
Yes & yes.
Don't YOU think it is possible that some who KNOW the Truth (Jesus)
articulate the truth (scripture) incorrectly? What's the deal with that?
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To:
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Do you think it is possible to know the truth from the
Word, Lance? And if so, don't we have a responsibility
to that truth?
Blessings!
--- Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That's apparent.
> - Original Message -
> From: Kevin Deegan
> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
>
If the young lady can't stand the heat (she can by
the way) then she'd be wise to depart the kitchen (she didn't). Like
'sweetface', she's in the process of getting an education. One day she'll hang
out her 'shingle' and charge big bucks for knowing stuff other people don't. YOU
ought to be
In which branch did you serve?
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Deegan
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If it was not for the US Lance would be speaking the Dut
That's apparent.
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Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
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According
Ask a Mormon.
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Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
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What you fin
Wise in your own conceit? Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Do you ever think before writing? Sorry, that's a rhetorical question.
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If it was not for the US Lance would be speaking the Dutch right now!
Heil Left Wing Ideolog'sShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Are you enjoying your politically irrelevant rants Lance? First you say weshould forgive all debts against the USA, then you make remarks that we aregoing to go ban
According to Lance's Narnia Theory of Interpretation and Post Modern Biblical Relativism, we can never really know what Lance is trying to communicate! Christine Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Yes, I do see your point and I do agree. But the Biblespeaks to be understood, and it is written to inf
I’m just like a bad penny.
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YOU, for t
Sorry you’re tired. Have a nice
nap. Iz
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Bingo! Departed & Ressurected "gods"
Just waiting on their bodies.
Oh where o where can my Body be?
My Body lies over the ocean?ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
So you believe angels are departed human beings? Izzy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf O
I did think about it. Did you? Did you
apologize for a sin or not? If it was a sin, then being “excessive”
about it or not is irrelevant. A sinless heart does not treat a young lady
shamefully. My point is not to shame you, but to point out that the solution
is to seek a sinless walk in
What you find to be the plain meaning of something is not necessarily what another thoughtful believe might find.
It is a lie that you teach.
You may not have a clue what is true, but rest assured through the promise & revelation of Jesus Christ, we can know the TRUTH.
I know the TRUTH when I see
Enjoy yourself.
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Yes, I am. Thanks for asking.
YOU, for the 4th or 5th time!
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And who were you
expecting to exit? Iz
You 'feebed' out on this but, we'll give you a pass
bein' tired and all.
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Do you ever think before writing? Sorry, that's a
rhetorical question.
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What is sin
Perhaps asking the
Lord to give y
That is what i have been trying to tell them for years!
By the way yes it is shocking isn't it.Christine Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
http://www.towertotruth.net/Mormon/witnessing/terminology.htmWhat a wakeup call. I followed this link and foundthis:JESUS CHRIST:LDS--A created being, the fir
Lance what are you referring to by "this"? Izzy
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Th
Yes, I am. Thanks for asking.
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> Are you enjoying your politically irrelevant rants Lance? First you say
we
> should for
Who said you're not discerning? Whoops, that'd be
me. Now I need to take it back.
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Deegan
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So do I.
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To:
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> Yes, I do see your point and I do agree. But the
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Dave Hansen wrote:
DAVEH: LOLHow can anybody misspell
g's nam
And who were you expecting to “exit”?
Iz
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I await t
Just be glad I’m not in control of
the black box on a big PMS day. J Beirut
and Somalia
were not wars the last I heard—just terrorists acting normal for
themselves. (Funny how they don’t bother Canada; I wonder why they like you
so much?) Korea and VietNam were
called on account of getti
America hutzpa! J
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She is more resilient!
Lance Muir
<[EMA
Perhaps asking the Lord to give you a new
heart would be even better? (Sin is sin, excessive or not.) Izzy
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The constant slurs such as “grade
school tactics….your PhD and all….’I am better than you’.”
Who is looking childish here? Izzy
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Are you enjoying your politically irrelevant rants Lance? First you say we
should forgive all debts against the USA, then you make remarks that we are
going to go bankrupt because of the debts, etc. The Bible says lend and do
not ask in return. That's basically what we do. We don't worry about.
I meant a christian not a proto OrthLance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
To name just one, Bart Ehrman
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Exactly right, jt. When one has
blinders on how do they see? (Or is it logs?) Izzy
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Yes, I do see your point and I do agree. But the Bible
speaks to be understood, and it is written to inform
us. We must interpret, that's true, just as I must
interpret your post when I read it.
The Bible is very clear on what it means to be a child
of God and a brother of Jesus. It requires
inte
So you believe angels are departed human
beings? Izzy
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Again, this Mormon doctrine echoes Jewish thought. The
Midrash Rabbah comments on Genesis 1:26 by not only
asserting that the "us" is a council, but by going so
far as to discribe the conversation that proceeded the
creation of man:
"When the Holy One, Blessed be He, was about to create
Adam, the
Who?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The Genesis and Job comments are supported by some commentators.
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From: Dave Hansen
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: May 25, 2005 10:29
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What is the rest of the story Dave?
Which led to those spirits that were less valiant were cursed with a BLACK SKIN
You left that out Dave!
THE SEED OF CAIN: "were more valiant than others
Those who were less valiant in pre-existence and who thereby had certain spiritual restrictions imposed upon
To name just one, Bart Ehrman
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Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: May 25, 2005 13:19
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LDS...
Who?Lance Muir <[EM
evidently view my explanations as an effort to try to convert TTers to Mormonism
Like who?
Can you post a quote showing this?
I think your smoke screen has gotten away with you it is in your eyes now.
Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
DAVEH: No Judy, I do not. But effectively that is what it
Christine:Please! One need not disregard the Bible to believe anything. One
need only disregard your interpretation. What you find to be the plain
meaning of something is not necessarily what another thoughtful believe
might find. Agreed?
- Original Message -
From: "Christine Miller" <[E
http://www.towertotruth.net/Mormon/witnessing/terminology.htm
What a wakeup call. I followed this link and found
this:
JESUS CHRIST:
LDS--A created being, the first spirit child of Elohim
and one of his wives, the spirit brother of Lucifer
the devil.
So Jesus and Satan are BROTHERS? I thought J
It is amazing how backwards LDS can get things.
Angel of light introduces Joe to becoming a god
The fall is a fall upward.
A sacrifice of fruit on the altar http://www.helpingmormons.org/TLC_Manti/PhotoAlbum/Other%20Photos/Adam%20and%20Eve%20Sacrifice.html
Maybe joes tutor introduced the Adam god s
There was a significant word game going on when I first arrived on this forum. LDS using words that seemed intended to cloak the true LDS understanding.
I think the christians here have a far better understanding of mormonism now then in past years
There are words that are familiar to christians
Blaine wrote:
> ... it came through to me that she was one of my
> immediate ancestors, a woman born in Norway,
> who had been active in converting her husband and
> family to Mormonism, and that she was there to show
> her approval of what we were in process of doing.
Blaine, I appreciate you sha
Do you know of any Biblical passage that says God does not have a body?
I think it is very clear:
JN 4:24 God is a spirit
Lu 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
1) A spirit has no Flesh & Bone Lu
David, and Dave,
Dave states that he is "not here [on TT] to learn the truth...he is here
to learn what protestants think, and why". While not part of his "pat"
statement about why he is on TT, he also said that he is not here tio
convert anyone to mormonism or to teach mormonism.
I beli
Perry wrote:
> David, Dave is smarter than you are giving him
> credit for being. He knows what he is doing.
> He is playing a word game.
Well, maybe I have fallen into his trap, but it does seem to me that you
have put him in an awkward position. If he answers you, then you will
likely use tha
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Dave Hansen wrote:
> To me it remains a no win situation when it is implied
> that I am a liar for responding to questions about my beliefs.
>From my perspective, if a member implies you are a liar for responding to
questions about your belief, that member is mistaken. You have made your
case,
I, for one, am pleased to hear fully and candidly
from Mr. Hansen.
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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: May 25, 2005 10:05
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The Genesis and Job comments are supported by some
commentators.
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From:
Dave Hansen
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: May 25, 2005 10:29
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon
angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of Teaching LDS...
D
DAVEH: No JudyI am not kidding, though I may have chosen better
words (counsel) to describe it.
When God spoke as recorded in Genesis (1:26), he seemed to be
discussing the creation with others..
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our
likeness:.
...I bel
DAVEH: No Judy, I do not. But effectively that is what it is in a
sense. And it is certainly taken as such by some TTers, who evidently
view my explanations as an effort to try to convert TTers to
Mormonism. From my perspective, the problem is the accusation that I
am dishonest about my rea
Kevin wrote:
FATHER ADAM OUR GOD Brigham Young, in a sermon in the
tabernacle in Salt Lake City on April 9, 1852, said:
"When our Father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he
came into it WITH A CELESTIAL BODY, and brought Eve,
one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and
organize this world.
Dave,
I wanted to add that, although you are whining about answerig my
question, and doing everything except answering it, it has served it's
secondary purpose, and that is to expose and stimulate discussion on the
non-biblical and heretical aspects of mormon beliefs. In the meantime, my
qu
David, Dave is smarter than you are giving him credit for being. He knows
what he is doing. He is playing a word game. I have no problem with him
pushing his mormon views into the discussions here...I just want him to
acknowledge that is what he is doing. He is intentionally misinterpreting
thi
DAVEH: Thanx for your clarification. To me it remains a no win
situation when it is implied that I am a liar for responding to
questions about my beliefs.
David Miller wrote:
I would not say
that it is a "no win situation" just because a person's viewpoint is
criticized in this forum.
And also with you. I shall ask Caroline, Debbie,
Jonathan, Bill and, Slade if they'd be open to the 'interview'. Why'd y'all
leave?
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From:
David Miller
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: May 25, 2005 09:14
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Dave, I don't mind if you choose not to answer, but no need to whine about
it. If you and I are through discussing things on TT, then so be it. You
said if I want to know what mormons believe, then I sould ask a mormon. I
did that, but he has no answer for me. Who should I turn to for the truth
This exemplifies 'open structured thinking'. The Spirit of God enables such.
John is exhibiting this through his recent encounter with the 'recovery of
the Trinity'.
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From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: May 25, 2005 08:53
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An amen from me on this.
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From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: May 25, 2005 09:09
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Socratic Method of Teaching LDS doctrine on TT
> DaveH wrote:
> > Apparently many TTers want me
Lance wrote:
> I, for one,
would appreciate hearing from the departed
> and the nearly-departed on this. Would you
welcome such?
Yes,
I sure would welcome such. I suspect most of the answers would involve
time constraints. TruthTalk has too many posts for active people to keep
up. I h
DaveH wrote:
> Apparently many TTers want me to teach LDS theology on
> TT, yet some wish to criticize me for complying with their wishes.
> Seems like a no win situation, eh Lance.
Let me clarify yet again what TruthTalk is all about and Dave Hansen's
situation in regards to this forum.
TruthTa
Too much good 'stuff' by BOTH participants in this conversation to respond
to in detail (time).
1. David: did you just 'plant' a 'church'? What is your office in that
'church'?
2. Can ONLY apostles 'plant' churches?
3. I believe that all should pray God's blessing on both enterprises.
(forgive tha
Kevin wrote:
> I fail to see what your example of Angels has
> to do with God having a body, anymore than
> using an amoeba as an example.If angels have bodies, and
angels are invisible, then the Biblical statement that God is invisible says
nothing about whether or not he has a body. Do yo
John wrote:
> I am surprised at your affiliation with the
> Cof C (non-instrument?.
Yes, non-instrument.
John wrote:
> There is absolutely nothing that you have written that would
> be allowed in that sect. Jopefully you are beginning to settle
> down a bit and take root somewhere.
Well, this
John wrote:
> dicussions never begin with personal
> attacks, well meaning or not.
I don't think pointing out doubt concerning the reality of the kingdom of
God being here is a personal attack.
John wrote:
> You did not contrast me and biblical application;
> you contrasted me and "the reality o
Dave Hansen wrote:
DAVEH: LOLHow can anybody misspell g's name! ;-)
Ooops.sorry for the lack of substance in this post, JD.
We all
mizsepll words at times. I even spelled "of" as "uv" once.
I await the 'exit interviews'.
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Kevin
Deegan
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She is more resilient!Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
This is what I found to be the case many years ago.
I should like to hear from the resident Mormons on this, with
clarity.
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Kevin
Deegan
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