DAVEH: Let me ask you a simple question, Kevin.Do you believe
Moses saw God?
Kevin Deegan wrote:
SO DO LIES!
Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Why?
DAVEH: Because it tends to end any meaningful discussion.
Kevin Deegan wrote:
Why?
I cal
Satan...and Dave is our messenger boy.
DAVEH: I have just finished posting an explanation from the Bible of
how Moses saw God, which you claim he didn't, Perry..
Moses cannot see God and live in the Bible,
...So, I would ask who is it who is the messenger of Satan
in this in
Dave, if you can defend your faith, do so.
DAVEH: Sorry Perry..you may be an anti-Mormon, but you ain't my
enemy. I feel no need to defend my faith to you.
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
Dave, if you can defend your faith, do so. If not,
say so. Below we have an inconsitency that is just
DAVEH: Since you brought up Moses below, let's look what happened to
him in Ex 33...
[11] And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh
unto his friend.
...At the end of the same chapter, the Lord tells
Moses
[20] And he said, Thou canst not see my face:
I study from the NASV. I memorize from the NKJV. My devotional times are often spent in the New Living Bible.
Is this an admission of confusion? Nasv, Nkjv, NLB
Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Linda -- you
SO DO LIES!Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Why?DAVEH: Because it tends to end any meaningful discussion.Kevin Deegan wrote:
Why?
I call Lies, Lies; disagreements are just that.
I don't care if it dampens anything A Lie is a lie and I will call it so.
JD & I have many disagreements
Linda -- you are not going to believe anything I might say -- so my advice to you is to talk to two or three pastor friends of yours. Very few -- extremely few by comparison -- Christians believe in this cultish notion. And most pastors accept at least the NASV. I study from the NA
Case in point The Liar continues
the translation itself -- is inspired
JD injects falsehoods into the discussion in order to distract from the root issues
It is easy to destroy a Strawman JD but what does that prove other than you have no ability to refute the facts?
All this from the man w
Why?
DAVEH: Because it tends to end any meaningful discussion.
Kevin Deegan wrote:
Why?
I call Lies, Lies; disagreements are just that.
I don't care if it dampens anything A Lie is a lie and I will
call it so.
JD & I have many disagreements It has been some time since
I
Not sure what you are asking.
The post was a response to Dean so it was addressed to him.Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
DAVEH: Shouldn't you be asking that question of all those who feel the need for another translation subsequent to the KJV? Kevin Deegan wrote:
How much is Translated
Why?
I call Lies, Lies; disagreements are just that.
I don't care if it dampens anything A Lie is a lie and I will call it so.
JD & I have many disagreements It has been some time since I have called him a liar before.
Again it was on occasion of him LYING. I will not remain silent in the fac
DAVEH: Shouldn't you be asking that question of all those who feel
the need for another translation subsequent to the KJV?
Kevin Deegan wrote:
How much is Translated correctly?
Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
look
at poor DavH. He is so confused because of this very thing
DAV
posting THREE times won't do it either
Did you run out of LIES?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
All of this is from the web, written by KJVonlyists - a little known and small wing of the Christian movement that believes the KJV the translation itself -- is inspired. They rej
JD says "Of course there are variations. But that is not the issue, is it. "
Of course the variations ( the wildest variations are found in Aleph & B ), is one of the issues if you can not even grasp the issue what hope is there for you, to refute it?
In Final Authority, William P Grady provide
DAVEH: Forgive me for jumping into the fray, Kevin.but I'm rather
curious. Why do you feel the need to call one who may disagree with
you a LIAR when he is
trying to have a meaningful discussion with you? Does such an acrid
term not dampen the spirit of the discussion?
Kevin Deegan wro
Posting the same LIES TWICE will not make them True![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Of course there are variations. But that is not the issue, is it. You believe that the original manuscripts have been lost, and that God gave the KJV to the modern church as an inspired text !! For you and your
What do your BOLD Face LIES have to do with what these PRO New Version scholars said? (see post you wetre responding to below It is filled with quotes from the noted English biblical scholar Kirsopp Lake http://www.hds.harvard.edu/library/bms/13001/bms13001lake.html & Tischendorf)
Maybe the Great
Of course there are variations. But that is not the issue, is it. You believe that the original manuscripts have been lost, and that God gave the KJV to the modern church as an inspired text !! For you and your buds, it is not a translation. So you reject any and all textu
All of this is from the web, written by KJVonlyists - a little known and small wing of the Christian movement that believes the KJV the translation itself -- is inspired. They reject textual criticism or textual comparisons, believing, instead, that the succession of
Of course there are variations. But that is not the issue, is it. You believe that the original manuscripts have been lost, and that God gave the KJV to the modern church as an inspired text !! For you and your buds, it is not a translation. So you reject any and all textual com
"You believe that the original manuscripts have been lost"
Do you have them? ROTFL!
The scholars have been looking for them in the meantime they must RECONSTRUCT the supposed TEXT!
"inspired text !! "
Another straw man AND ANOTHER one of your LIES and I am getting pretty sick of your LYING
P
There is not a wits worth of difference between " everything that proceeds from the mouth of .." and "every word that proceeds from the ..."
Is that so?
Notice anything missing? Or have you been decieved?
NASV 4:4-5 And Jesus answered him, "It is written, " MAN SHALL NOT L
Of course there are variations. But that is not the issue, is it. You believe that the original manuscripts have been lost, and that God gave the KJV to the modern church as an inspired text !! For you and your buds, it is not a translation. So you reject any and all textual comparison
Deut 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.
LU 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God
what do you
mean?
On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:39:51 -0500 "Dean Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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cd: So are you also agreeing with John?
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"The Codex Sinaiticus has been corrected by so many hands that it affords a most
interesting and intricate problem to the palaeographer who wishes to disentangle
the various stages by which it has reached its present condition
" Kirsopp Lake,
Codex Sinaiticus - New Testament volume; page xvii o
Brooke Foss Westcott (1825-1901) and Fenton John Anthony Hort (1828-1892) were the two English "scholars" who produced the corrupt Greek text of the modern versions. Their dominating influence on the revision committee of 1871-1881 accounts for most of the corruption that we have today in modern t
Dave,
You have made the statement "Clearly the Bible does show that man can see
God." If it so clear, please show me so I can be clear on this, too.
Perry
From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
*Why is it that mormons like you, Dave, aren't alarmed by these
contradictions?*
DAVEH: Because
Lance is not in any battle
may Peace & Safety reign in CanaduhCharles Perry Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>>One cannot but grow weary of the pedantic, repetetive anti-Mormon diatribes >put forward by CPL and others.Lance,My argument is not with you...
Dave, if you can defend your faith, do so. If not, say so. Below we have an
inconsitency that is just one of a long list of such inconsistencies, and
your failure to understand and explain it is witness to the blindness that
pervades your faith. Go ahead...tell me how you resolve the inconsisten
From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
One cannot but grow weary of the pedantic, repetetive anti-Mormon diatribes
put forward by CPL and others.Lance,
My argument is not with you...it is with Satan...and Dave is our
messenger boy. If you are put off by my continually pointing out the
inco
OK JD you have convinced me to use the NASV with your stellar defense of the Truth![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Paleze -- you wouldn't have ANYTHING to argue about or with if it weren't for scholarship.
Jd -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.i
Why can't you answer anything posted on the Modern versions?
Can't find a Strawman?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Paleze -- you wouldn't have ANYTHING to argue about or with if it weren't for scholarship.
Jd -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.i
I would not be grieved with the loss of so many APOSTATES.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Paleze -- you wouldn't have ANYTHING to argue about or with if it weren't for scholarship.
Jd -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 13
Paleze -- you wouldn't have ANYTHING to argue about or with if it weren't for scholarship.
Jd -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 14:46:00 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor
Scholarshi
There you go JD dean has read some books. He is not ignorant; as you would like to paint him.
DEAN says "Adam Clarks Comentary of this passage-It seem I have too many books John and they disagree-J. Wesley agrees with Kevin on this topic in his explanatory notes-I am still looking at Pelagius and J
That’s why I don’t waste my
time arguing with mormons. They have no true curiosity about what we
believe at all IMO. iz
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Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005
4:53 PM
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I’m not the one believing in JSmith’s
fantasies, either. iz
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DAVEH: I assume you realize
cd: Izzy that what Satan does to the saints he wears them out with redundant questions then when one is so tired that it's difficult to answer another question people with honest questions get nothing-that is what he does to us out on the streets-try going to a big event and answer thousands of
Why is it that mormons like you, Dave, aren't alarmed by these
contradictions?
DAVEH: Because LDS folks like me don't view them as contradictions,
Perry. Instead, we view your understanding to be in error.
Clearly the Bible does show that man can see God. If you fail to
understand that c
Every time you get MAD you start calling names and here goes your FAVORITE
LEGALIST![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dean, practice your brand of legalism on someone else. Your side of the room abides in the offensive. I have been insulted in so many ways it is not funny. So, just stick to
DAVEH: What is the point of me responding to your questions, Perry?
Is it not your goal to denigrate that which I believe? If you want to
chat about Protestantism, I'm anxious to listen. If you want to tell me
what you believeI may or may not be intrigued. If you want to talk
about LD
cd: Sounds good to me.
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This was sent to me by my aunt with a very long list of previous senders. It would be great to see this really happen!
Lind
Scholarship gave the Jews the OT Oracles too, right?
No need for God we have scholars[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
John believes that scholarship gave us the translation we use today -- all of them.
JD -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@ma
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and the Law
DAVEH: Just me! :-)
cd: Sorry to disapoint you DaveH but you are in your own way not mine.ShieldsFamily wrote:
Dean, hav
Don't get so EMOTIONAL JD!
Dean saw the light, others do not WILL to see it. Why are you so upset and emotional?
I have never seen you so out of sorts.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dean, practice your brand of legalism on someone else. Your side of the room abides in the offensive. I have been
DAVEH: I suspect the next door neighbor dearly wishes you were there
instead of him as well, Iz! :-D
ShieldsFamily wrote:
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were my next door neighbor so
I could hear your exhortations, Brother Kevin! iz
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cd: So are you also agreeing with John?
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1 Jn 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
This ve
DAVEH: I assume you realize the same applies to you as well, Izzy
If Dean feel no need to explain his comments, then I have no reason
to reverse my beliefs based on those comments.
ShieldsFamily wrote:
DaveH, your
believing something does not
make it so. iz
DAVEH: Just me! :-)
ShieldsFamily wrote:
Dean, have
you actually had any mountains
that were in your way? iz
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This was sent to me by my aunt with a very long list of previous senders. It would be great to see this really happen!
Linda
RED FRIDAYS - Very soon, you will see a great many people
wearing Red every Friday. The reason? Americans who support
our
1 Jn 3:18 My little children, let us not love
in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
This
verse connects for two reasons, 1) spiritually because its spirit
is equal to its verbal task, its persuasive-ness is its
integrity; e.g., (it's) persuasive-ness is not rooted in a
uni
It has nothing to do with truth and untruth nor evil versus righteousness. These translations are the individual conclusions of honest people (for the most part) trying to present to us a biblical message that is close to the original wording of the First Century and Hebrew writers. Nothing mor
DAVEH: Sometimes the dull dull the dull.
Dean Moore wrote:
Doesn't Iron sharpen Iron?
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Dean, practice your brand of legalism on someone else. Your side of the room abides in the offensive. I have been insulted in so many ways i
John believes that scholarship gave us the translation we use today -- all of them.
JD -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 05:46:17 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor
John bel
consider yourself corrected. Your explanation below is all I need to know about your thoughts on the subject.
Thanks
JD -Original Message-From: Dean Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 08:34:39 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ and t
Dean, practice your brand of legalism on someone else. Your side of the room abides in the offensive. I have been insulted in so many ways it is not funny. So, just stick to the subject at hand, and accept what I say at face value. If I want to insult you, it will be clear that this is
It is sadly humorous that 10 minutes ago you respected the NASV and now, you are some kind of authority on why it is evil. How do you know that the "words of Jesus" have been omitted? Explain that to me. Because you have been convinced that the KJV is the inspired translation? Get a life
cd: Here is a passage in Rev. 14:12 that supports true Bible as opposed to Calvinism "Here is the patience of the saints: Here are they that Keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Notice that a "saint " is identified as one that keep's God's commandments only in Christ of course.
John believes you must go to the shrine of scholarship if you want truthDean Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Get some books, Dean, and answer this qu
The point is since the LDS desire to be under the law, let them obey it.
The realization that keeping it is an impossibility would be their schoolmaster.
They say and do not do!ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Just a note, Kevin. Under the law is where you are if you have broken
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DEan - what are doing in your comments below? Have you forgotten the point I was trying to make. I suggest to you that, in deed, you have
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Dean, have you actually had any mountains that were in your way? iz
cd: No but it would make a better view if removed:-) In front o
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Get some books, Dean, and answer this question yourself!! My NASV says "by everthing that proceeds from the mouth of the Lord" while my NKJ
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Get some books, Dean, and answer this question yourself!! My NASV says "by everthing that proceeds from the mouth of the Lord" while my NKJ
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Wishing you were my next door neighbor so I could hear your exhortations, Brother Kevin! iz
cd: Stand at a great distance Kevin is l
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cd: Then we are on a different page for I am discussion the Moral the 11
commandments and its impact
cd: When someone removes the words of Jesus Christ that is more then a translation error-Take Kevin test with the NASV and see for yourself. The OT shows the words in prophecy are there-stating that Christ would say the very word that were removed-something stinks with this. Our entire battle whi
Dean, have you actually had any mountains
that were in your way? iz
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and the Law
cd: Added b
DaveH, your believing something does not
make it so. iz
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Dave if you believe in Christ wh
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cd: Then we are on a different page for I am discussion the Moral the
11
commandments and its impact on a Christian.
Dean, what do you mean by the 11
commandments?
cd: Agreed-I am still learning to love on that magnitude-ever learning
and
wit
Wishing you were my next door neighbor so
I could hear your exhortations, Brother Kevin! iz
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th
Just a note, Kevin. “Under the law”
is where you are if you have broken God’s law. You are under it’s
penalty, or the curse of the law. If you obey God’s law, either
intentionally by reading and obeying or simply by following after the Holy
Spirit’s leading, you are not under the law, bu
One cannot but grow weary of the pedantic,
repetetive anti-Mormon diatribes put forward by CPL and others. Would you
consider outlining for me alone (all of the others can hit delete or, close
their eyes so as not to be contaminated) the Mormon 'gospel'. In so doing
kindly answer the charge
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