Re: [TruthTalk]ADVICE from JD

2005-11-14 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: Is this supposed to be the ultimate slam, Kevin? FWIWIsn't that the essence of faitha belief in something that others tell you is wrong? Kevin Deegan wrote: Instead of dealing with the facts JD acts just like the typical Mormon, JUST BELIEVE in spite of the facts.

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-14 Thread Dave Hansen
Not sure what you are asking. DAVEH: It seems to me that when somebody feels an existing translation is inadequate, they feel compelled to come up with another. In another post today, you mentioned Those two manuscriptsdisagree with each other over 2000 times in the gospels alone!

Re: [TruthTalk] Intent of the Law

2005-11-14 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: I respectfully disagree, Izzy. I've learned a lot from my tenure hereeven from you. ShieldsFamily wrote: Thats why I dont waste my time arguing with mormons. They have no true curiosity about what we believe at all IMO. iz -- ~~~

Re: [TruthTalk] Dave thinks if you are not a catholic or mormon youare a protestant.

2005-11-14 Thread Dave Hansen
What do you consider Protestants? DAVEH: Your response is most appreciated, Dean. I think you are the only one to answer my questions. As to your above question, perhaps my view is a bit too simplistic to be accurate, but I don't feel the need to dig deep into what distinguishes a Protestant

Re: [TruthTalk] Dave thinks if you are not a catholic or mormon you are a protestant.

2005-11-14 Thread Dave Hansen
Because it seems that there are NO Protestants here! DAVEH: I'd really be surprised if that is the case, Kevin! Surely there are some..??? Kevin Deegan wrote: DAVEH: Why is that, Perry? Because it seems that there are NO Protestants here! Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [TruthTalk] Dave thinks if you are not a catholic or mormon you are a protestant.

2005-11-14 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: Yeah Kevin. It does seem like TTers are reluctant to admit to being Protestant. Now I don't know if TT is too harsh for Protestants. Or if they are too embarrassed to claim such, when there are others here who seem anxious to attack anything they perceive as different than what they

Re: [TruthTalk] Oldest most CORRECTED MSS

2005-11-14 Thread Kevin Deegan
I am concerned with truth You are concered with Meaningful discussions, Finding areas we have in COMMON and understanding protestantsDave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why?DAVEH: Because it tends to end any meaningful discussion.Kevin Deegan wrote: Why? I call Lies, Lies; disagreements are

Re: [TruthTalk]ADVICE from JD

2005-11-14 Thread Kevin Deegan
Isn't that the essence of faitha belief in something that others tell you is wrong?NO, where did you get that idea? HB 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: Is this supposed to be the ultimate slam,

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-14 Thread Kevin Deegan
Do you feel this gives support to your belief that the bible is correct as far as it is translated correctly?Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not sure what you are asking.DAVEH: It seems to me that when somebody feels an existing translation is inadequate, they feel compelled to come up with

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-14 Thread knpraise
http://www.bibletexts.com/kjv-tr.htm The above will give an opposing opinion to Kevin's thinking. Know this - that the KJV in its original state included the Apocrypha - which remains in the RCC bible. The primary text of the KJV was created by a Roman Catholic named Erasmus and much of his

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-14 Thread knpraise
http://www.bibletexts.com/kjv-tr.htm The above will give an opposing opinion to Kevin's thinking. Know this - that the KJV in its original state included the Apocrypha - which remains in the RCC bible. The primary text of the KJV was created by a Roman Catholic named Erasmus and much of his

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-14 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: What other conclusion would make sense? Kevin Deegan wrote: Do you feel this gives support to your belief that the bible is correct as far as it is translated correctly? Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not sure what you are asking. DAVEH: It seems to me that when

Re: [TruthTalk]ADVICE from JD

2005-11-14 Thread Dave Hansen
NO, where did you get that idea? DAVEH: Common sense. Do the people you preach to on the street always agree with youor do they ever tell you that you are wrong? Kevin Deegan wrote: Isn't that the essence of faitha belief in something that others tell you is wrong? NO,

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-14 Thread Kevin Deegan
Oh yeah well I post the whole Internet Start at the root servers Don't you have any ideas of your own? You AVOID THE SUBJECT: Why don't you answer any of the following before running off in a new direction (one of which we have visted before and you have been shown to be misleadind AGAIN.

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-14 Thread Kevin Deegan
This site claims that the NKJV uses the same TEXT as the KJV This is easily disproven by comparing the two texts Should we? Anyone want to compare? JUST A NEW KJV? The NKJV removes the word Lord 66 times! The NKJV removes the word God 51 times! The NKJV removes the word heaven 50 times! In just

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-14 Thread knpraise
It is so easy to flood the opposition with "information." This is exactly whyI am hesitant in getting into this discussion --- your sources of misinformationare seemingly without end. You just keep on quoting those who are anti-everything but KJV. Your numbers below -- of course the

RE: [TruthTalk] Intent of the Law

2005-11-14 Thread ShieldsFamily
Then why are you still a mormon? Apparently you have learned nothing. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Hansen Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 2:19 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Intent of the Law DAVEH: I

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-14 Thread Kevin Deegan
could it be called then aid comfort to the enemies of the gospel?Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: What other conclusion would make sense?Kevin Deegan wrote: Do you feel this gives support to your belief that the bible is correct as far as it is translated correctly?Dave Hansen [EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk]ADVICE from JD

2005-11-14 Thread Kevin Deegan
Where does the Bible or for that matter the BoM teach such a belief?Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NO, where did you get that idea?DAVEH: Common sense. Do the people you preach to on the street always agree with youor do they ever tell you that you are wrong?Kevin Deegan wrote:

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-14 Thread Kevin Deegan
It is so easy to flood the opposition with "information." Yeah right you have been involved in this discussion since you interjected your baseless claims into my discussion with Dean. Now all ofg a sudden you are concerned with the flood of "info"? When will you post any info? Of course you

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-14 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/14/2005 12:14:24 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor They refuse to answer question about how the KJV came into being becausesuch answers put them in a box from which there is no escape.

Re: [TruthTalk] Dave thinks if you are not a catholic or mormon youarea protestant.

2005-11-14 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/14/2005 3:29:12 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Dave thinks if you are not a catholic or mormon youarea "protestant". What do you consider Protestants?DAVEH: Your response is most appreciated, Dean. I

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-14 Thread Dean Moore
The post was a response to Dean so it was addressed to him.DAVEH: Shouldn't you be asking that question of all those who feel the need for another translation subsequent to the KJV? cd: Dave this has been on my mind for quite some time and of late it is becoming a strong consideration-but

[TruthTalk] Why I'm absent for awhile...

2005-11-14 Thread David Miller
I want to let you all know why I have been not posting lately and why I am not likely to be posting too much on generic issues for awhile. Two reasons: 1. The Lord has put it upon my heart to set my face against the University of Florida's policy promoting sexual immorality, which is taking up

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-14 Thread Kevin Deegan
JN 9:39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The post was a response to Dean so it was addressed to him.DAVEH: Shouldn't you be asking that question of all those

Re: [TruthTalk] Why I'm absent for awhile...

2005-11-14 Thread Kevin Deegan
Thanks for the interesting links and KEEP PREACHING!David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want to let you all know why I have been not posting lately and why Iam not likely to be posting too much on generic issues for awhile.Two reasons:1. The Lord has put it upon my heart to set my face against

Re: [TruthTalk] Why I'm absent for awhile...

2005-11-14 Thread Terry Clifton
We will be praying for you, David. Make a difference. Terry and Vee David Miller wrote: I want to let you all know why I have been not posting lately and why I am not likely to be posting too much on generic issues for awhile. Two reasons: 1. The Lord has put it upon my heart to set my

Re: [TruthTalk] Why I'm absent for awhile...

2005-11-14 Thread Ruben Israel
I wish I had time to explain in more detail right now what it is that is happening at the University of Florida that is causing me to crusade over there. Suffice it to say for now that last year they created a department within the Dean of Students called LGBT Affairs (Lesbian, Gay,

RE: [TruthTalk] Why I'm absent for awhile...

2005-11-14 Thread Dean Moore
cd: Wish I could be there to help you David stand strong and know my prayers are with you. [Original Message] From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Date: 11/14/2005 7:15:06 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] Why I'm absent for awhile... I want to let you all know why I

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-14 Thread ttxpress
counting and comprehension are not both spiritual gifts On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:40:02 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: || JN 1:18 NASV No one has seen God at any time, the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him. Unless I

Re: [TruthTalk] Why I'm absent for awhile...

2005-11-14 Thread knpraise
David Miller, 45, of Beverly Hills, Fla., was wearing an anti-"homo" pin in the style of a no-smoking sign when police responded to a complaint placed at about noon. Miller defended his right to free speech to the officers, he said, and a UPD supervisor eventually arrived and released him. He

[TruthTalk] [Fwd: The big argument]

2005-11-14 Thread Terry Clifton
This was sent to me and I had to pass it along: Jesus and Satan were having an on-going argument about who was better on the computer. They had been going at it for days, and frankly God was tired of hearing all the bickering. Finally fed up, God said, "THAT'S IT! I have had enough. I

Re: [TruthTalk] Moses sees god's face and lives in the PoGP!

2005-11-14 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Dave wrote: After reading more of the account of how Moses saw God, do you still think that the account you cited in Moses 1:2 contradicts the Bible? I do know that Moses saw something, what god wanted him to see. Was it a burning bush? A glowing mass? A pillar of fire? A column of Smoke?

Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

2005-11-14 Thread knpraise
I know this is confusing to some who are reading this debate. Maybe I will take time to present a reader-friendly brief article on this. Here are some facts. There are four "families"of documents that support the biblical text. Alexandrian, Syrian, something else and Byzantine. The latter is