Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

KJV Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. NIV Matthew 24:24 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles

Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

John wrote  >  The "miracles of the dark side are not miracles at all     only trickery.   He is The False Prophet  --  his teachings are clearly idiotsy if they have to do with purpose, destiny, and life.   We can glory in the knowledge that a disciple cannot be tricked out of her salv

Re: [TruthTalk] On Nephelim

David  > I suspect there are genetic remnants still in many people today. ... You surely must realize that if the Nephelim could reproduce with us and produce offspring that were not sterile, from a biological perspetive, the Nephelim themselves are not considered to be a different species f

[TruthTalk] On Nephelim

DM wrote  >  To make matters worse, angels joining in the rebellion against God began producing children by cohabitating with women of human kind.  This introduced additional genetic material and contributed to the process of man's flesh becoming exceedingly sinful.  The world became so bad,

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

  - Original Message - From: Bill Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 10:27 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us Wrong questions? Hm. That's a good one. What do you think: Is PMS de

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

the difference??? I'd like to hear other opinions. izzy > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Taylor > Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 8:45 PM > To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Ada

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

ot;? Be> possessed? What's the difference??? I'd like to hear other opinions. izzy> > -Original Message-> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Taylor> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 8:45 PM> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>

Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

Are all illnesses "demonic" in your opinion -- whether physical or mental or a combination of both? Martin Luther was a textbook bi-polar. Do you think that precluded him from being a "Christian," as in a true believer? Just curious what you think, Bill - Original Message - From: "Shields

Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

l validating the scriptural caution against adding or taking from what is written.  judyt   On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 06:52:53 -0600 "Bill Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Well, it's not posted at the time you made the claim, but maybe you referenced it at some other

Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

7 Aug 2005 21:05:29 -0600 "Bill Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Judy, where did you come up with this idea concerning bishops "who wanted to stay true to scripture and resisted adding an extra biblical definition"? To my knowledge, I've

Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

n'  (whatever that is) bishops finally caved?    JD  -----Original Message-From: Bill Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 15:31:43 -0600Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus On Tu

Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

  On Sun, 7 Aug 2005 16:05:11 -0600 "Bill Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Judy wrote  >  It can be truly said that he took our fallen natures upon Himself at Calvary from noon to 3 p.m. when everything went black and the earth quaked.   Hi Judy. You&#x

Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

Judy wrote  >  It can be truly said that he took our fallen natures upon Himself at Calvary from noon to 3 p.m. when everything went black and the earth quaked.   Hi Judy. You've made this claim on numerous occasions: Can you tell me where exactly in Scripture it is stated?   Bill -

Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

eticks by Athanasius just like the Donatists were hunted down by Augustine and Servetus was hunted down by Calvin.   On Sun, 7 Aug 2005 09:06:09 -0600 "Bill Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: If it is in response to the dialogue between DavidM and me, then yo

Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

If it is in response to the dialogue between DavidM and me, then you should know that I do not advocate Docetism, Donatism, Arianism, or any other ism.   That's interesting, Judy. I seem to remember you referring to the Arian bishops at Nicea as the "Bereans," who finally caved into Athanasi

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual Death

Bill wrote  > Okay, I will address your question and then try to summarize my position. I chose not to answer your question for the following reason: implicit in your wording is the assumption that we can separate the spirit aspect of personhood from the other aspects, the whole of which in

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

Yeah, I know it is.   Bill - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 9:23 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death We had an enjoyable family discussion around the dinner table tonight about,

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

I fixed a typo.   - Original Message - From: Bill Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death Col 1.16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

Yes, "Pantheism" means "all is God." That, however, is not what I am suggesting. As to your other comment, I will direct you to the post I sent to Izzy.   Bill - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

Col 1.16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. It is not my

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

Izzy asks  >  Do you have a “biblical term” that expresses man’s spiritual condition prior to receiving Christ as Savior and Lord?    Okay, I will address your question and then try to summarize my position. I chose not to answer your question for the following reason: implicit in your word

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

[TruthTalk] Spiritual death Thats always the line! The watchtower did not change anywords either, they changed the translation, see the NWT!Bill Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: No one has changed any words, Kevin. This is a false accusation. I changed the trans

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

IF it were the same, then how could you have existed prior to your reception of the Holy Spirit? In Christ is the existence of everything. Christ in you is exclusive in that he is present only in believers; hence their hope of glory.   Bill     - Original Message - From: Shie

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

I am not interested in going down the same road again, so I will abstain from answering your question.   God's blessings,   Bill   By the way, I think I understand your position. Thank you for expressing it. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglo

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

Yeah, I suppose so -- AS LONG AS YOU REALIZE THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A METAPHOR NOW!   Your "spirit" is growing stronger because of Christ IN you via the Holy Spirit. That is different than you in Christ, in terms of your existence.   Bill - Original Message - From: Shiel

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

No one has changed any words, Kevin. This is a false accusation. I changed the translation of a word to more accurately reflect the original intent.   bill - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 5:45 AM

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

No, my point was firstly that it was a non-biblical term -- so be honest enough to recognize that you too are putting your trust in a "doctrine of man"; and secondly that it was inaccurate -- if what you are actually holding to is the idea of a literal spiritual death.   Bill - Origin

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

Izzy, let's not be silly. You've got one body and it's getting older.   Bill - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 3:00 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death   Iz: I'm sure there'

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

  - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 8:03 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death        BT: Izzy, maybe you can help me out here,

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

Bill in Black - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 5:47 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death Izzy is red:   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

Galatians 2:19  I through the law died to the law; (dead to the law) Colossians 3:3 For you died and your life is hidden with Christ in God (believers are dead)             On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 23:53:25 -0600 "Bill Taylor" <wmtaylor@plain

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

Please tell me, though, if you can the answer to my question: How is one regenerated if one was not dead in the first place? Thanks for your patience.  izzy   I will do that, Izzy, as best I can, but I would like to first address something else you said, and then use that as a segue into a d

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

  - Original Message - From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death Bill, It appears in scripture that there is a point at which one becomes "spiritually alive". Often,

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

Having read the "LDS" response to these purportedly Christian beliefs, I can't help thinking that there are far more Mormons around here than I first realized. Maybe John is on to something.   Bill - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

ord Jesus, and shalt believe in >thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved". >Both of these apply to me. Would you assume that I am saved because of >this? > >As for those who are unable to reason and understand the gospel, I believe >t

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

on and understand the gospel, I believe > that they are not held accountable until they first know right from wrong > and understand that they are sinners, i.e., convicted by the Holy Spirit of > their sin. > > > Perry > > >From: "Bill Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

Hi Izzy, thanks for your patience too. It is very much appreciated. I am working on a response to your question and will get it posted as soon as I can.   Bill - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 4:24

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual Death

: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual Death If you don't want a public response Bill then you will need to write to them off-line. I will show the same courtesy when I desire privacy.  judyt   On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:53:45 -0600 "Bill Taylo

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual Death

  Please do not respond to the comments I make to other people, Judy. I will show the same courtesy to you.   Bill - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 2:46 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] Spiritual Death

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

I'll correct some typos below. - Original Message - From: Bill Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death   - Original Message - From: ShieldsF

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

hTalk] Spiritual death Got pay ???    -Original Message-From: Bill Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:45:31 -0600Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death The prison is in lock-down today -- some kind

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

Judy, you are building a strawman. Please either stick with the discussion or drop it altogether.   Bill - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 11:22 AM Subject:

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

  - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 10:26 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death Izzy in red:   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

Yes, that would at least leave open the possibility for further discussion, without first having to muddle our way through the nuancing of an existing doctrine.   Bill - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 200

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

ermonology and speak instead to the conclusion you have drawn from this metaphor? Bill   Thanks, Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Taylor Judy, I've already clarified this. Why the obstinance? Once again, AND P

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

Bill, the reason they aren’t serving God with their mind, body, soul is because they are spiritually separated from Him (dead—not physically but spiritually!). Izzy   Do you mean that their spirits are literally dead? If so, then how can they, of their own free will, choose to serve God? Wo

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

om: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 8:23 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death     On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 07:56:22 -0600 "Bill Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: jt: Bil

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

is used in a past tense, i.e, you were dead. The cross stands as that which gave them life. Bill   ----- Original Message - From: Bill Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 7:17 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:32:15 -0600 "Bill Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Bill wrote  >  Jesus knows that his hearers will realize that dead people cannot bury dead people. Hence he knows that they will not be able to take his statement literally; they will h

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

Why make it so difficult??  Leave the infants, unborn babies and mentally retarded in the hands of a faithful Creator. We don't need to be anxious over them   jt   On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 23:08:22 -0600 "Bill Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Perry wrote  >

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 2:57 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death     On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 23:13:18 -0600 "Bill Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Re: [TruthTalk] your job

I'll be five weeks in training (indoctrination) before I start teaching. Some of it will be helpful; most of it just learning how to do things the CCA way.   Bill - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, July 25, 2

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

Mar 12.30 'And you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.' This is the first commandment. I told Izzy that I thought there was a spiritual element included in Jesus' statement: "Follow me, and let the dead bury th

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

welling in them. The man he chose as an example wanted to tarry from > following Jesus until his father passed away, thus putting his family above > Jesus.> > >From: "Bill Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> >Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org> >To: <TruthTalk@ma

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

  Would someone else please step in and help Judy through this? I would very much appreciate it.      Thanks,   Bill From: Judy Taylor   Bill wrote: I actually don't think we've got that much left to argue about. Both you and Judy have said that you do not think o

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

Bill wrote  >  Jesus knows that his hearers will realize that dead people cannot bury dead people. Hence he knows that they will not be able to take his statement literally; they will have to conclude that the first death is representative of something other than yet similar to the second de

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

were stuttering.   This is awesome  (hopefully)   Riding to work with Bud   No, I'll be driving myself, which is fine with me!   JD  -Original Message-From: Bill Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 12:37:50 -0600

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

Si, si, senor - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14    The prison? -Original Message-From: Bill Taylor <[EMAIL PROTEC

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

Si - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14 The prison thing?     -Original Message-From: Bill Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [TruthTalk] The Spalding Enigma

0 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Spalding Enigma Thanks  -- nice to know that I am on the right track once in awhile.    OW DID TYLER DO LST EVENING   Jd  -Original Message- From: Bill Taylor <wmtaylor@plains.net>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent:

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

Thanks Izzy. I am sorry but I do not have time right now to get started on another long discussion. I am starting a new job tomorrow and will be really swamped for a while. Maybe when time permits, we could come back to this.   Bill   - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily

Re: [TruthTalk] The Spalding Enigma

This is a very helpful post, John. I think you may be onto something concerning the exchange between Peter and Jesus.   Thanks,   Bill - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [T

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

  - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 9:04 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14 Izzy in bold blue:   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf O

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

Bill it looks like you are ducking out on me on this one.  If it cannot be supported scripturally you can explain why can’t you?  And when I ask you something I don’t want to know what someone other than you thinks/says about it, if you don’t mind.  My simple question, which I have asked at

Re: [TruthTalk] The Spalding Enigma

Hi David, you have the LXX don't you? Check out its translation of this word translated "established" in the KJV. It may shed some light on your thoughts as it pertains to a connection between this verse and Lance's post. Those old Jews may have had a pretty good understanding of the Hebrew langua

Re: [TruthTalk] John 16:13,14

I am glad, David, that you are not immediately jumping to conclusions, either about this man -- his faith, obedience, etc. -- or as to how we may have counseled him through this crisis of faith. Thank you. It demonstrates spiritual maturing on your part. This was a man who had confessed many times

Re: [TruthTalk] John 16:13,14

  A born again person who is right with God knows they are born again and right with God.  If they don't know this it is a huge red flag - and this man was crying out for help.   No, this man was a strong, solid, dedicated believer. His problem was, he had been deceived by people like

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

Bill in green. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 9:34 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14 Izzy in pink!   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECT

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

ing for confirmation. A simple no in answer to her question seems all > that is necessary to dispell her incorrect belief, which you wrote very > effectively with your response "Absolutely not!". > >If there is something more here I have missed please enlighten me >

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual Death was Re:John 16:13,14

TruthTalk] Spiritual Death was Re:John 16:13,14 Not a very pleasant way to express yourself Bill. If you have had all you can take - it is your problem rather than mine. Be glad to communicate whenever you have recovered.  judyt   On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 13:44:04 -0600 &qu

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

Thanks David. I'll respond to some of your comments below.   - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 3:10 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14 > Hi Bill.  I have been reading with interest

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

Bill in red. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 10:33 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14   Izzy in blue: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual Death was Re:John 16:13,14

erful countenance, but  by sorrow of the heart the spirit is broken (Prov 15:13) A man's spirit can sustain his infirmity but a broken spirit who can bear (Prov 18:14) God says "I formeth the spirit of man within him" (Zech 12:1)   Any problem with the above?  ju

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

005 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14     On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 12:37:48 -0600 "Bill Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: JD wrote  >  Judy,  I am pretty sure that Bill believes that Christ was God on earth and you do not.   

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

heavenly.  Just that one point should be enough but I'm sure it's not and like Izzy I am not really interested in the theories of the ancients but if you want to discuss scripture.  fine.   On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 10:47:37 -0600 "Bill Taylor" <[EMA

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

Then please explain to us what you are talking about and how it differs from Augustine's view.   Thanks,   Bill - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 7:10 AM S

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14     On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 08:15:23 -0600 "Bill Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Bill: There are numerous reasons why I reject this doctrine, Izzy, the foremost of wh

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

of "dead" and the second use of "dead."   Bill     - Original Message - From: Bill Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:09 AM Subject: Re

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual Death was Re:John 16:13,14

- rather than replicating the errors of the ancients.     On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 01:53:26 -0600 "Bill Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:  

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 12:04:20 -0700 (PDT) Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:> Ep 2;1 And you hath he quickened, who WERE dead in trespasses and > sins> > Quickened as in made ALIVE those that were DEAD   Here is a biblically plausible explanation which does not take into view your s

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

is no reason to look for another meaning.  Spiritual death is a fact of life Bill and it isn't anything like what Calvin describes.  jt   On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:43:23 -0600 "Bill Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:   And why do that when you

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

I know I’m not up on your doctrinal issues, Bill, so please tell me why you seem to reject the idea of someone being spiritually dead prior to being born again of the Spirit.  I’d appreciate it. izzy     There are numerous reasons why I reject this doctrine, Izzy, the foremost of which is b

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

quot; and the second use of "dead."   Bill     - Original Message - From: Bill Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14   T

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

nglory.org Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14     On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 10:40:25 -0600 "Bill Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: By the way, Izzy et al,   Jesus said, "Follow Me, and let the dead bu

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

uickened as in made ALIVE those that were DEAD> > problem is so many were never made alive> > --- Bill Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > > That's a fine conjecture, Izzy. But it is only that. Yours is not > a> > definitive answer. There may al

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

--- Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14     On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 09:52:43 -0600 "Bill Taylor" <[EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

By the way, Izzy et al,   Jesus said, "Follow Me, and let the dead bury their own dead." And some did.   My question for you is this: What about those who did follow Jesus, do you think that they were "spiritually" alive?   Bill - Original Message ----- From:

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

ke sense of a statement which on its face is incomprehensible, in that there is not a one-to-one equivalence between the first use of "dead" and the second use of "dead."   Bill     - Original Message - From: Bill Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tues

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

That's a fine conjecture, Izzy. But it is only that. Yours is not a definitive answer. There may also be other ways to address and understand this statement. I am simply attempting to demonstrate that you are calling upon a doctrine to explain that which is not stated explicitly. If you want

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

that: why aren't you?   Bill - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 12:39 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14     On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 20:50:12 -0

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

I agree that there is a possibility that two people can come to similar conclusions without the necessity of collaboration, but I find it highly unlikely that they would call their doctrine by the same name and this when the words themselves are not found in the Scriptures.    Moreover, one

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

Yeah, I get your drift. But I am not so dishonest as to claim this is how it happened in my case.   Bill - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 9:38 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

David writes  >  I don't think I have seen anybody tout Wesley or Dake as authoritative, I suppose in a narrow sense you are partially correct, David. I seem to remember Judy quoting Dake at length and verbatim, yet she did it without even so much as a fleeting reference in his direction. He

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

David writes: I hope that you allow that some of us have a different perspective on this point.  Some here tout Joseph Smith while others tout Barth and Torrance.     . . . and others Wesley and Dake. What's your point?   Bill     

Re: [TruthTalk] On playing chess & On reading/interpreting the Scriptures for living (not for 'A' living)

r the ad hom. Bill - Original Message - From: "Bill Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On playing chess & On reading/interpreting the Scriptures for living (not for 'A' living) > I will be quite

Re: [TruthTalk] On playing chess & On reading/interpreting the Scriptures for living (not for 'A' living)

I will be quite honest with you, David. I think you are playing with words here and being evasive. When I use the word "study," I use it inclusively of all our activities having to do with the reading of Scripture, and not in some limited sense with regards to formal training. If you want to go bac

Re: [TruthTalk] On playing chess & On reading/interpreting the Scriptures for living (not for 'A' living)

ponded, instead with, it's hard to tell based on the limited information I have on either man? Bill - Original Message - From: "Bill Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On playing chess & On reading

Re: [TruthTalk] On playing chess & On reading/interpreting the Scriptures for living (not for 'A' living)

Do you consider me a brother in the Lord, Judy?   Bill - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 10:39 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] On playing chess & On reading/interpreting the Scriptures for living (no

Re: [TruthTalk] On playing chess & On reading/interpreting the Scriptures for living (not for 'A' living)

Do you feel like you know me better than you know Vladimir Kramnik? Bill - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On playing chess & On reading/interpreting the Scriptures for living (not for 'A' liv

Re: [TruthTalk] On playing chess & On reading/interpreting the Scriptures for living (not for 'A' living)

  Yes, it is a question - and I stand corrected.  Sorry I misunderstood.  But I have a question for you Bill.  Are you expecting DavidM to respond - Yes Bill I am manipulating?  Judyt   From: "Bill Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>   So that we all understand this

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