Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller

2006-03-15 Thread Dean Moore
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller Should I dig up the past posts?Dean Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/14/2006 2:27:56 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller Dean, I did not call you

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2006-03-14 Thread knpraise
Is he lying?" is not the same as "he is a liar?"  The first is a question and the latter is an accusation.   David was only asking Judy Taylor for her opinion.  jd               - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/14/2006 2:27:5

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2006-03-14 Thread Kevin Deegan
    - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/14/2006 2:27:56 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-MillerDean, I did not call you a liar.  Judy is the one who said that if you were misrepresenting me, you were either lying or deceived.  I

Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller

2006-03-14 Thread knpraise
uot; is not the same as "he is a liar?"  The first is a question and the latter is an accusation.   David was only asking Judy Taylor for her opinion.  jd               - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/14/2006 2:27:56 PM Subject:

Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller

2006-03-14 Thread Dean Moore
Dean in Blue below     - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/14/2006 2:27:56 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller Dean, I did not call you a liar.  Judy is the one who said that if you were misrepresenting me, you were either lying

Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller

2006-03-14 Thread Kevin Deegan
Should I dig up the past posts?Dean Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/14/2006 2:27:56 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller Dean, I did not call you a liar.  Judy is the one who said t

Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller

2006-03-14 Thread Dean Moore
      - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/14/2006 2:27:56 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller Dean, I did not call you a liar.  Judy is the one who said that if you were misrepresenting me, you were either lying or deceived.  I

Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller

2006-03-14 Thread David Miller
, and the last time this came up, I asked other Mormons to comment on this as well.  Not all the Mormons agree with Blaine about astrology.   David Miller.   - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 7:26 PM

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2006-03-13 Thread Dean Moore
cd:Judy I am not lying.- See below in blue and red.     - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/13/2006 12:00:46 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller Judy, I never inquired Blaine's expertise in astrology regarding my birth sign

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2006-03-13 Thread ShieldsFamily
. Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 11:00 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller   Judy, I never inquired Blaine's expertise in astrology regarding my birth sign

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2006-03-13 Thread David Miller
hTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller Understanding is not the issue here Lance ... Did David Miller inquire of Blaine's expertise in astrology regarding his birth sign?

Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology

2006-03-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
I do not think that Pagan roots of Christianity, have been "established". Except in the minds of LDS who read Talmage, Petersen or OLD Priesthood manuals.Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Astrology. What do you think of such?DAVEH:   I do not subscribe to it, nor do I find it of much interest.  H

Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller

2006-03-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
Does the dictionary define all things Mormon?   Official Church Manuals say the Prophet is "God's SOLE mouthpiece on earth for the Church" Teachings of the Living Prophets p 13 CJCLds He is even able to "go BEYOND or ADD to the scriptures" p 18   Also aren't you transgressing one of your rules

Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller

2006-03-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
Illustration of those who have to remove portions of sentences to twist & misquote Now have to remove letters!     [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:interesting     On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 06:19:50 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:Just what is a nuance..?   ||   Yahoo!

RE: [TruthTalk] Astrology

2006-03-12 Thread Dean Moore
.     - Original Message - From: Dave To: TruthTalk Sent: 3/12/2006 2:27:54 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] Astrology Astrology. What do you think of such?DAVEH:   I do not subscribe to it, nor do I find it of much interest.  However KevinI think Blaine tried to show that Christianity has some

Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller

2006-03-12 Thread Dean Moore
have been harmed, and what change do you propose?This is going to get real personal-real soonDAVEH:  It seems to me that you opened that door, Judge Dean.  Do you not think calling me a pagan made it real personal??? Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller Maybe that is why we are not t

Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller

2006-03-12 Thread Dean Moore
      - Original Message - From: Dave To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/12/2006 12:33:01 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller the sad part is that one claiming to be a Christian (Blain/ DavH)has lead the believer to this error.DAVEH:   Which believer on TT do you

Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller

2006-03-12 Thread Dean Moore
cd: Good idea John-Stay with the jokes rather then quoting the Bible as you will get in less trouble in the judgement that way.     - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/12/2006 12:48:30 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology

[TruthTalk] Astrology

2006-03-11 Thread Dave
Astrology. What do you think of such? DAVEH:   I do not subscribe to it, nor do I find it of much interest.  However KevinI think Blaine tried to show that Christianity has some roots in it.  So if one wants to criticize Blaine for his beliefs about astrology, is that same person willing

Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller

2006-03-11 Thread Dave
rsonal??? Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller Maybe that is why we are not to go to the World for answers. The dictionary is not the discerner of who/what is a Christian. The World has no answers.

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2006-03-11 Thread knpraise
d that door, Judge Dean.  Do you not think calling me a pagan made it real personal??? Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller Maybe that is why we are not to go to the World for answers. The dictionary is not the discerner of who/what is a Christian. The World has no answers. All the soothsayers

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2006-03-11 Thread Dave
made it real personal??? Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller Maybe that is why we are not to go to the World for answers. The dictionary is not the discerner of who/what is a Christian. The World has no answers. All the soothsayers at Jackson S

Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller

2006-03-11 Thread Dave
The dictionary is not the discerner of who/what is a Christian. DAVEH:  Who does authoritatively make that distinction in your eyes, Kevin? Kevin Deegan wrote: Maybe that is why we are not to go to the World for answers. The dictionary is not the discerner of who/what is a Christian. T

Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller

2006-03-11 Thread ttxpress
DavidM has some grace, it appears, sorta like DaveH's; thoroughgoing legalism sounds like it's gonna whip some adult's ass like a child's & legalism questioning 'understanding' also sanctions it     On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 10:34:50 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: ||   You s

Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller

2006-03-11 Thread knpraise
LOL -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > interesting > > On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 09:37:22 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > writes: Understanding is not the issue here Lance --- Begin Message --- interesting   On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 09:37:22 -050

Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller

2006-03-11 Thread ttxpress
interesting     On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 06:19:50 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Just what is a nuance..?   ||  

Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller

2006-03-11 Thread knpraise
actuate the reading were   -- Original message -- From: "Dean Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>         - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/10/2006 7:33:15 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Kinder Gentler God would not call name

Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller

2006-03-11 Thread ttxpress
interesting   On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 09:37:22 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Understanding is not the issue here Lance

Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller

2006-03-11 Thread Judy Taylor
How can you so glibly mistake love for hostility Since you have never repented for calling me a liar  for stating that Jesus is the TRUTH You should be extolling his grace(Dean's that is)   On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 08:28:14 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: myth (also, the lack of certaint

Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller

2006-03-11 Thread ttxpress
myth (also, the lack of certainty reveals the shallowness of the threat written with hostility)   On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 10:18:12 -0500 "Dean Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: || You seem to twist truth ..For the sake of your soul I suggest you heed these words.  

Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller

2006-03-11 Thread Dean Moore
      - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/11/2006 6:54:38 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller Your criticism of DM on astrology is based upon a faulty 'reading'. This faulty reading was exhibited by Kevin re:David'

Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller

2006-03-11 Thread Dean Moore
      - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/11/2006 9:11:05 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller Maybe that is why we are not to go to the World for answers. The dictionary is not the discerner of who/what is a Christian. The World

Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller

2006-03-11 Thread Judy Taylor
Understanding is not the issue here Lance ... Did David Miller inquire of Blaine's expertise in astrology regarding his birth sign? He either did or he did not regardless of personal views  If he did then he IS NOT being misrepresented here. IF he DID NOT then someone is lying about it or g

Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller

2006-03-11 Thread Kevin Deegan
om: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 11, 2006 06:35 Subject: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller     - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/10/2006 7:33:15 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Kinder Gentler God would not call

Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller

2006-03-11 Thread Kevin Deegan
Maybe that is why we are not to go to the World for answers. The dictionary is not the discerner of who/what is a Christian. The World has no answers. All the soothsayers at Jackson Square were made an open show open shame for all to see. They know not at what they stumble!   Just more FALSE

Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller

2006-03-11 Thread Lance Muir
can't read TT with understanding then what are we to make of their reading of the Scriptures? - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 11, 2006 06:35 Subject: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller      

[TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller

2006-03-11 Thread Dean Moore
      - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/10/2006 7:33:15 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Kinder Gentler God would not call names - pagan ? Blaine has posted a number of times refering to Astrology. What do you think of such? cd: It goes

RE: [TruthTalk] astrology

2004-03-29 Thread Kevin Deegan
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 1:48 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] astrology   Blaine, I believe that astrology is of the occult. Do you?  I do think you have a valid point, however, that God made the heavenlies, and He can use them to give signs, such as the Zodiac formations. Pastor James Kennedy

RE: [TruthTalk] astrology

2004-03-28 Thread ShieldsFamily
first built. I don’t go where I don’t think the Holy Spirit is. I would never visit a Hindu or Buddhist temple, either.   Izzy - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 1:48 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] astrology

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2004-03-28 Thread Blaine Borrowman
near Ogden and Hill AFB.  But Salt Lake is just 30 minutes away.    Blaine - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 1:48 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] astrology Blaine, I believe that astrology is of the occ

RE: [TruthTalk] astrology

2004-03-28 Thread ShieldsFamily
Blaine Borrowman Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 12:11 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] astrology   Blaine:  The stars fortell, but do not compel.  God Knows us, and what choices we will make, but we need to make them nevertheless, and thus prove all things, in order that God

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2004-03-27 Thread Blaine Borrowman
seven stars signify the seven churches of Asia (Revelation, chapter 1), or, in other words, the Church!  The North Star, which never moves, signifies Jesus Christ.    - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 7:50 PM

[TruthTalk] astrology

2004-03-26 Thread Judy Taylor
From: "Blaine Borrowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hmmm, can you give me your exact time and place of birth?  I can't predict much without being able to place your sun, moon and planets in houses with reference to your rising sign.  You were born with the Sun in Saggitarius, Moon in Taurus, Mercu

Re: [TruthTalk] astrology

2004-03-26 Thread Blaine Borrowman
IL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 3:12 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] astrology > > On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 14:49:13 -0500 "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > writes: > > > Vince wrote: > >> Watching the stars helps us > >> determ

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2004-03-26 Thread Blaine Borrowman
Blaine: You'd make a grand astrologer, Wm, you ought to go to Hogworts for an advanced degree. LOL - Original Message - From: "Wm. Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] astrolo

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2004-03-26 Thread Blaine Borrowman
t; To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 8:20 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] astrology > > Astrology is testable? Here's a test: I was born on Dec 20, 1950.> Predict for me when I will find a job. For bonus points, tell me in what> career field that job will be

Re: [TruthTalk] astrology

2004-03-26 Thread elextech
On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 21:55:29 -0500 "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hmmm. You are an > interesting person. LOL! Many people have expressed that thought, but most don't use such polite words.;) vincent j. fulton -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seas

RE: [TruthTalk] astrology

2004-03-25 Thread David Miller
Vince wrote: > Seeing a pattern by hindsight is interesting, > but it suggests nothing more than that God has > a TIMEtable. LOL. That's the whole point. If in hindsight we do see some patterns, then maybe with a little study we might become a little better at predicting future events. I'm no

Re: [TruthTalk] astrology

2004-03-25 Thread elextech
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 8:20 AM > Subject: [TruthTalk] astrology > > > > > > Astrology is testable? Here's a test: I was born on Dec 20, > 1950. > > Predict for me

[TruthTalk] astrology

2004-03-25 Thread elextech
On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 14:49:13 -0500 "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Vince wrote: >> Watching the stars helps us >> determine time, the seasons, etc. > > But what about the "signs." The Bible > mentions not just times and seasons, > but signs. What do you think that means? W

Re: [TruthTalk] astrology

2004-03-25 Thread Wm. Taylor
]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 8:20 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] astrology > > Astrology is testable? Here's a test: I was born on Dec 20, 1950. > Predict for me when I will find a job. For bonus points, tell me in what > career field that job wil

Re: [TruthTalk] astrology

2004-03-25 Thread Kevin Deegan
Astrology: An ancient fatalistic system of divination using the position of the planets, moon and sun in the twelve Zodiac positions at the moment of one’s birth to gain occult or hidden knowledge of the future.   Occult divination and reading omens is condemned in Deut. 18:9 - 12 and Daniel 5:7 Th

[TruthTalk] astrology

2004-03-25 Thread elextech
Astrology is testable? Here's a test: I was born on Dec 20, 1950. Predict for me when I will find a job. For bonus points, tell me in what career field that job will be. vincent j. fulton On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 20:32:11 -0700 "Blaine Borrowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Blaine: This has no

Fw: Re: [TruthTalk] ASTROLOGY

2004-03-25 Thread Judy Taylor
From: "Blaine Borrowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Blaine:  This has nothing to do with my Mormon upbringing, but I beg to differ with your statement,    vf:"  Astrology is not science. They make observations, but they have notheories to explain the universe or any part of it. Their ideas cannot be