Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus' Nature

2005-02-16 Thread David Miller
Izzy wrote: David, do you mean my husband should take the blame for my sins??? He should share some of the blame. The Scriptures teach men to have their families under control, including the wife. Izzy wrote: Do your wife's sins accrue to your personal account as well? I'm not aware of

RE: [TruthTalk] Jesus' Nature

2005-02-16 Thread ShieldsFamily
Izzy wrote: David, do you mean my husband should take the blame for my sins??? He should share some of the blame. The Scriptures teach men to have their families under control, including the wife. I should think that God would grade on the curve on this issue, as some men

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus' Nature

2005-02-16 Thread David Miller
historical present tense John writes about the historical present tense: this is not a grammatical distinction -- only a philosophical one, and, hence, open for disageement. It is more than a philosophical distinction, but perhaps you mean to point out that there is no specific syntax or

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus' Nature

2005-02-16 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 2/16/2005 1:28:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: historical present tense John writes about the "historical present tense": this is not a grammatical distinction -- only a philosophical one, and, hence, open for disageement. It is more than a philosophical

RE: [TruthTalk] Jesus' Nature

2005-02-16 Thread ShieldsFamily
: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus' Nature In a message dated 2/16/2005 1:28:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: historical present tense John writes about the historical present tense: this is not a grammatical distinction -- only a philosophical one, and, hence, open for disageement

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus' Nature

2005-02-16 Thread David Miller
John wrote: Any interpretation is open to disagreement, is it not? No. This goes back to our discussion about what it means to be in unity and speak the same thing. Much of the Bible is open to interpretation, but we should always be working toward agreement instead of disagreement. No

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus' Nature

2005-02-16 Thread Knpraise
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 4:12 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus' Nature In a message dated 2/16/2005 1:28:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: historical present tense

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus' Nature

2005-02-16 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 2/16/2005 3:33:31 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John wrote: Any interpretation is open to disagreement, is it not? No. This goes back to our discussion about what it means to be in unity and speak the same thing. Much of the Bible is open to

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus' Nature

2005-02-15 Thread David Miller
Izzy wrote: David, then why does scripture say that sin entered the human race thru Adam (not Eve) since she ate the apple first, and she was deceived Eve was made for Adam and from Adam; therefore, Adam was in authority over her. Her sin is attributed to Adam the same way that we say

RE: [TruthTalk] Jesus' Nature

2005-02-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
Izzy wrote: David, then why does scripture say that sin entered the human race thru Adam (not Eve) since she ate the apple first, and she was deceived Eve was made for Adam and from Adam; therefore, Adam was in authority over her. Her sin is attributed to Adam the same way

[TruthTalk] Jesus Nature

2005-02-14 Thread Judy Taylor
Izzy writes: If Original Sin means that we are born guilty and deserving of hell then Jesus was born guilty by His human nature, and could never have been the Sinless Lamb of God who died for our sins. jt: I'm not exactly sure what the term "Original Sin" means Izzy. I find most of what

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus' Nature

2005-02-14 Thread Lance Muir
] Jesus' Nature I'm putting my thoughts about all this squabbling about Jesus' nature under a new heading, as it had nothing to do with mormons. For what it's worth, (nothing to Lance and friends I’m sure) here are my two cents: 1) I believe in "Original Sin" only as

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus' Nature

2005-02-14 Thread Knpraise
Izzy writes: One must sin by volition, not by condition. Preachers love words that rhyme and make sense when ties together. For that reason, the above is perhaps profoundly stated. JD

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus' Nature

2005-02-14 Thread Knpraise
A post well worth the reading. JD In a message dated 2/14/2005 12:09:52 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm putting my thoughts about all this squabbling about Jesus' nature under a new heading, as it had nothing to do with mormons. For what it's worth, (nothing to

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus' Nature

2005-02-14 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 2/14/2005 3:01:02 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I can't speak for the 'and friends' but, as for Lance; he thinks this is articulate, understandable and God-honouring. So thanks, Lance Think of it !!! The Righteous Triad, poor old John Smithson and

RE: [TruthTalk] Jesus' Nature

2005-02-14 Thread ShieldsFamily
Just wanted to add another point: Jesus called himself the Son of Man. He was the second Adam. He came to restore mankind to the state that Adam was in prior to the Fall. Adam was not created with an original sin sin nature. But he was created with Free Will. Adam could choose whether or

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus' Nature

2005-02-14 Thread Judy Taylor
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:57:12 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jesus had to come as a descendant of Adam, with our same human tendency to sin, and overcome it by not sinning to restore us to Adams state. If we are truly in Christ we now, like the original pre-fallen Adam,

RE: [TruthTalk] Jesus' Nature

2005-02-14 Thread ShieldsFamily
Hi Izzy, just a few thoughts to consider Why would Jesus have to come with the human tendency to sin? Im just using that term to say that I believe he had the same human nature that we havewas fully human; could have sinned if he wanted to. The first Adam had no human

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus' Nature

2005-02-14 Thread David Miller
Judy wrote: Why would Jesus have to come with the human tendency to sin? Because those he came to save have a tendency to sin. Jesus had to enter in through the door of the flesh. We know how we can walk because he gave us his perfect example. If he was some alien instead, then how he

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus' Nature

2005-02-14 Thread ttxpress
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Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus' Nature

2005-02-14 Thread Bill Taylor
Great post, David. - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus' Nature Judy wrote: Why would Jesus have to come with the human tendency to sin? Because those he

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus' Nature

2005-02-14 Thread David Miller
Izzy, I loved your original post about Jesus' nature, but this point in your second post needs reconsideration please. :-) Izzy wrote: Who was the first person to sin? It would appear that Eve was. However she did not sin because she was deceived (much like a child prior to the age of

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus Nature

2005-02-14 Thread David Miller
Judy wrote: ... why a virgin birth? What was the point? Carry out your thinking a little further. If being born of a virgin had to do with keeping him separate from a sinful flesh, then why not just create him from the dust of the ground like the first Adam? I say that he was born of

[TruthTalk] Jesus' Nature

2005-02-14 Thread Judy Taylor
From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Izzy, I loved your original post about Jesus' nature, but this point in your second post needs reconsideration please. :-) Izzy wrote:Who was the first person to sin?It would appear that Eve was.However she did not sin becauseshe was deceived (much

RE: [TruthTalk] Jesus' Nature

2005-02-14 Thread ShieldsFamily
PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus' Nature Izzy, I loved your original post about Jesus' nature, but this point in your second post needs reconsideration please. :-) Izzy wrote: Who was the first person to sin? It would appear that Eve was. However she

[TruthTalk] Jesus' Nature

2005-02-14 Thread Judy Taylor
From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Judy wrote:Why would Jesus have to come with thehuman tendency to sin? DavidM: Because those he came to save have a tendency to sin. Jesus had to enter in through the door of the flesh. jt: Yes but he did not have to enter through a door of "sinful

[TruthTalk] Jesus' Nature

2005-02-13 Thread ShieldsFamily
I'm putting my thoughts about all this squabbling about Jesus' nature under a new heading, as it had nothing to do with mormons. For what it's worth, (nothing to Lance and friends Im sure) here are my two cents: 1) I believe in Original Sin only as it means that we are born with the

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus' Nature

2005-02-13 Thread Bill Taylor
: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 9:33 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] Jesus' Nature I'm putting my thoughts about all this squabbling about Jesus' nature under a new heading, as it had nothing to do with mormons. For what it's worth