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DAVEH: Thank you for sharing your
perspective, John.
I have a question about #2. Do you believe the Bible contains all
God wants us to know?
I
believe that the biblical record, especially the NT scriptures, records
the Divine Exchange between God and
DAVEH: Thank you for sharing your perspective, John.
I have a question about #2. Do you believe the Bible contains all God wants us to know?
I believe that the biblical record, especially the NT scriptures, records the Divine Exchange between God and the First Church. If He told those
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In a message dated 8/27/2004 5:35:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John, Youll have to write your own dictionary, but if thats your definition, I can agree. I think youre a blessing, Izzy
I am thinking
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Ill buy a copy. Perhaps even submit a blurb for the dust jacket J
You are scaring me a little.
I bought the entire 14 volume set of Barths Church Dogmatics last week. (Through Lance) I give myself a
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] is in Dark Red
[EMAIL PROTECTED] is in Sea Green
I do not believe in original sin From what I understand of the concept, nor do I.
I do not believe in the efficacy of
Slade, these words taken from another forum. What do you or all think?
John
The Jews of Paul's day were not legalists. They didn't believe that they entered covenant with God on the basis of merit or through "human source". They believed, as the Torah indeed taught, that God was full of
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Where do we lookin Fiction or in Humor? J Izzy
The Classics
Correction: (Im not awake)Freud
vs Lewis.
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Correction: (Im not awake)Freud vs Lewis.
I am not a Freudist. My counseling is pastoral in nature and biblical in substance. It has its limitations. But so does the therapy in the health care industry. I
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Correction: (Im not
awake)Freud vs Lewis.
I am not a Freudist. My counseling is pastoral in nature and
biblical
Judy Taylor wrote:
DaveH: To me, it seems most
Christians are quite willing to consign anybody to hell who does not
outright proclaim Jesus. And, I think I've noted a tone of glee when
some suggest such folks deserve the tortures of hell even if they have
not hat a chance to
Think green for John.
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Hi John, You write:
Well, I Peter 3:18-19 says what it says. You know, Dave, I find it interesting that I never have problems of communication in my daily duties. People talk and I
In a message dated 8/26/2004 8:18:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Oh, no! Then I must be one of them fundamentalist liberals, too!!! (Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear!!!) Oh, wait, I think perhaps we might differ on a point or two, if you can explain to me what you mean
Dave Hansen wrote:
Judy Taylor wrote:
DaveH: To me, it seems most
Christians are quite willing to consign anybody to hell who does not
outright proclaim Jesus. And, I think I've noted a tone of glee when
some suggest such folks deserve the tortures of
John, Youll have to write your own
dictionary, but if thats your definition, I can agree. I think youre a
blessing, Izzy
--How do you define fundamentalist liberal? I asked
if that isnt an oxymoron but got no response. Thanks,
Fundamentalist -- requiring book, chapter and
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Dave Hansen wrote:
Judy Taylor wrote:
DaveH: To me, it seems most Christians
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Surely the glee is inappropriate, and we are not to forget that vengeance
is His, but it does not take a genius to tell that some people, in their
present position, are a shoo-in for Hell. You shall know them
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John, Youll have to write your own dictionary, but if thats your definition, I can agree. I think youre a blessing, Izzy
I am thinking of writing a systematic theology. Imagine, me on the same shelf
Where do we lookin Fiction or in Humor?
J Izzy
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John, Youll have to
write your own dictionary, but if thats your definition, I can
agree. I think youre a blessing, Izzy
I am
[EMAIL PROTECTED] is in Dark Red
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I do not believe in original
sin From what I understand of the concept,
nor do I.
I do not believe in the
efficacy of liturgical activity I disagree with
this. I find it comforting and appealing.
I do not
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In a message dated 8/22/2004 9:30:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
Hi John, You
write:
Well, I Peter
3:18-19 says what it says. You know, Dave, I find it interesting that I
never have problems of communication in my daily duties. People talk
and I listen. I accept what they say. And nearly all of the time, I have
the correct understanding of what they
Ummm, catnitp he is! Yes, catnip.
J Izzy
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ShieldsFamily wrote:
ShieldsFamily
Smithson wrote:
I do not believe in original sin, the efficacy of litergical activity,
denomiantionalism (also called sectarism), faith only, salvation by
works, Trinity as compared to a triune Godhead, holiness perfectionism,
the rule of Law as opposed to faith, love and the indwelling
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DAVEH:
John..would you mind elaborating a bit more on how vs 12-16 help
this Mongolian who dies without hearing the gospel, please?
DaveH, when you read that
Judy Taylor wrote:
You'd be as wellsticking with the LDS as
to embrace this confusion DaveH.
DAVEH: I'm not sure what confusion to which you are referring, JudyT.
If you are speaking of John's reply to me, it sure sounds better than
much of what I've heard previously from
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John,
I have been reading Kruger and am not, so far, impressed. But I have decided to withhold judgement until I am finished. However I have a couple of questions for you. (So I can make Lances day so
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'Bishop'John:This new and
elevated status becomes you. Don't
abuse the newfound power with the ladies. People are looking to you
(Bishop
John) so weigh your words carefully.
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DAVEH: John..would you mind elaborating a bit more on how vs 12-16 help this Mongolian
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Judy Taylor wrote:
You'd be as well sticking with the LDS as to embrace this confusion DaveH.
DAVEH: I'm not sure what confusion to which you are referring, JudyT. If you are speaking of John's reply to
Well, come to think of itthats
possible DaveH! Funny you would think of it. J Izzy
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Izzy replies in red below:
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In a message dated 8/23/2004 9:26:33 AM Pacific
I am not a Pretestant. Protestantism is especially the
high church (Preby, Espisco, Methodi, and the like --
the robed and liturgical church. ) As far as I know, I am the only one
who believes this way ;-)
John, Ive always assumed that if you arent Catholic
you are stuck with the moniker
DAVEH: Ahh shucks, John.A little Mormon Class might be good
for you, even though most folks would consider it to be low class.
8-)
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John,
I have been reading Kruger and am not, so far, impressed. But I have decided to withhold judgement until I am finished. However I
ShieldsFamily wrote:
Well, come
to think of itthats
possible DaveH! Funny you would think of it. J Izzy
DAVEH: I've learned to read your mind, Izzy... 8-)
ShieldsFamily wrote:
Satan
loves to divide and conquer. Izzy
DAVEH: Are you alluding to
me,
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ShieldsFamily wrote:
Well, come to think of
itthats possible DaveH! Funny you
Ok,
John; now I will be green/bold. Izzy
I
have been reading Kruger and am not, so far, impressed. But I have
decided to withhold judgement until I am finished. However I have a
couple of questions for you. (So I can make Lances day so that he
can ridicule my ignorance.) (1) What do
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In
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DAVEH:
John..would you
ShieldsFamily wrote:
ShieldsFamily wrote:
Well,
come to think of
itthats possible DaveH! Funny you would think of it. J Izzy
DAVEH: I've learned to read
your mind,
Izzy... 8-)
Then you are
way ahead of my husband,
DaveH! J
Izzy
DAVEH:
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DAVEH: John..would you mind elaborating a bit more on how vs 12-16 help this Mongolian who dies without hearing the gospel, please?
DaveH, when you read that passage (Ro 2:12-16), doesn't v v15-16
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DAVEH: John..would you mind
elaborating a bit more on how vs 12-16 help this Mongolian who dies without
hearing the gospel, please?DaveH, when you read
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You'd be as wellsticking with the LDS as to
embrace this confusion DaveH.
Actually we don't have to have all the answers.
The secret things belong to the Lord but what has been revealed is for us and
for our children. So unless God has put outer
Mongolia on your heart then the Mongolians
Satan loves to divide and conquer. Izzy
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'Bishop'John:This new and elevated status
Iz:Are you quoting the 'church
lady'??
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Satan loves to divide
and conquer. Izzy
From
What sayeth Lance on this issue?
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In a message dated 8/21/2004 11:36:04 AM Pacific Daylight
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We'll go with
... brown. JohnIn a message dated 8/21/2004
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John writes:I am guessing that you believe
that I am not studied in scripture or
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jt: Faith works by love and love is what fulfills God's Law through Christ. Actually faith is also a gift because it is the faith of Christ that we live by .. so it is all grace.
Judy, Judy, Judy -- I have
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John responds in BLUEIn a message dated
8/20/2004 5:54:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Judy, I am a little
How excellent for all that being
right/correct/accurate in apprehension is not a prerequisite for 'salvation'.
Rock on Judy.
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Judy, I
John writes:
I am guessing that you believe that I
am not studied in scripture or you would not think that I am giving an
interpretation that conflicts with scripture. I noticed that you did not
give any references but, oh well.
jt: I didn't post references but they
are there.
over all time.
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Subject: [TruthTalk] Romans 2:12-16
John writes:
I am guessing that you believe that
I am not studied in scripture or you would not think that I am giving
From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
How excellent for all that being right/correct/accurate in apprehension is not a prerequisite
for 'salvation'. Rock on Judy.
jt: Says who Lance -
You?
Read 1 Corinthians
10:1-12
Judy, I am a little surprised at your bias. It is, in fact, the only
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How excellent for all that being right/correct/accurate in apprehension is not a
prerequisite for 'salvation'. Rock on Judy.
jt: Says who Lance -
You?
Read 1 Corinthians
10:1-12
From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jt:Yes indeed! Say I.
PS: If you're not just being your funny self:
(Exclude me as I believe that you do that already)
Given the interpretive diversity on almost every
issue..point made (right Judy?)
jt: Your point once more Lance,
definitely
ction your honor he just quoted TFT. Clerk,
strike that from the record. The jury will ignore any reference to that man and
anything he has ever said.
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Jt:Can you help me distinguish between wilfully
ignorant and just plain ignorant?
jt: What difference does it make
Lance? - ignorant is ignorant. God said His people perished for lack of
knowledge. .
I'm not even hinting that truth is diverse (this my
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Take a look at the gospel(s) being preached:narcissistic,
health wealth, individualistic, deistic (founding fathers),
gnostic/dualistic, biblicist
Lance is really on a roll. LOL! Izzy
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Jt:Can you help me distinguish between wilfully ignorant
Jt:Where would we be without (Judge) Judy? My
goodness! attending to the 'teachings of men' over the Bible. Thanks again,
(Judge) Judy.
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Subject: [TruthTalk] Romans 2:12-16
: [TruthTalk] Romans
2:12-16
Lance has illustrated
for us the Kruger gospel: Christ not necessarily necessary. John and Lance: Do
we or do we not need the Blood of Christ for the remission of sin? (Regardless
of whether we have/have not heard, or where we live?)
Izzy
We'll go with ... brown.
John
In a message dated 8/21/2004 4:18:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John writes:
I am guessing that you believe that I am not studied in scripture or you would not think that I am giving an interpretation that conflicts
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Take a look at the gospel(s) being preached:narcissistic, health wealth, individualistic, deistic (founding fathers), gnostic/dualistic, biblicist/fundamentalist (read angry), religious, tradition-bound,
In a message dated 8/21/2004 11:36:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John and Lance: Do we or do we not need the Blood of Christ for the remission of sin? (Regardless of whether we have/have not heard, or where we live?) Izzy
Me , John -- I say " of course."
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His blood was spilled in the process of His redeeming life, death, descent, resurrection and, ascent. I know that 'scope' is tough for you Limbaughites.
Lance my man you're just dying to have a
Judy, I am a little surprised at your bias. It is, in fact, the only thing you have going for you in this discussion in this particular post. Check it out .
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Hi John, you write:
... exegete is
Judy, I am a little surprised at your
bias. It is, in fact, the only thing you have going for
you in this discussion in this particular post. Check it out .
jt: I wouldn't call itMY bias John. I didn't
write the Bible.
John: ... exegete is exegete. Paul uses "law" in this text 10
Hi
John, you write:
...exegete
is exegete. Paul uses "law" in this text 10 times. Eight times
he omits the definite article "the" and twice he includes it. The point of the passage is that "salvation" is possible for one
who has not heard anything about law or The Law. To argue that this
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