Perry wrote:
> Thanks for the references, David. By eastern
> christian culters, are you referring to the orthodox
> churches, or further east?
Yes, the eastern orthodox churches.
Peace be with you.
David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida USA
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Perry wrote:
> So far I do not have a continuous historical track
> for any single name. Their name seems to change
> throughout that period
Two books that track the history of Christianity through non-institutional
groups are, "The Pilgrim Church" by E.H
Perry wrote:
> So far I do not have a continuous historical track
> for any single name. Their name seems to change
> throughout that period
Two books that track the history of Christianity through non-institutional
groups are, "The Pilgrim Church" by E.H. Broadbent and "The Torch of the
Testimon
DAVEH: G..let me ask you, did Jesus die for everybody?
Does that include Hitler?
Do you understand the nature of my questions?
>From a Protestant's perspective, is there any sin that Jesus' atonement
or resurrection not cover?
Yeah g, I know you probably asked the below question
a
I’m not at all interested in this
dismal topic. Izzy
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ask DavidM why
DaveH thinks Nazis need
a Mormon proxy to go to heaven
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On Sun, 29 Dec 2002 08:34:37 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
Any logical
questions, gary?
([you] said there are
going to be a lot of surprises in heaven.. :-)
I’ve always said
there are going to be a lot of surprises in heaven! Izzy
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DAVEH: I sometimes wonder how
surprised we will be to see who really does end up in heaven. Will
it be those who think and act spiritually religious, or could it be those
who
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Perry, I'd be interested in what you have learned about that group. What
are
they called? Izzy
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DAVEH: I sometimes wonder how surprised we will be to see who really does end up in heaven. Will it be those who think and act spiritually religious, or could it be those who walk a path Jesus may have tr
"Charles P. Locke" wrote:
> Actually, I read an aticle about Mother Teresa, and her life has evidently
> not been one of strong faith. Although she was VERY compassionate, and
> didicated her life to the unfortunate, her spiritual life appears to have
> been very shakey and filled with doubt.
D
id an estimated 50 million of these
Christians were martyred throughout the dark and middle ages because they
refused to join the RCC.
Perry
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these
Christians were martyred throughout the dark and middle ages because they
refused to join the RCC.
Perry
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appears to
have
been very shakey and filled with doubt.
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>DAVEH: Just out of cu
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DAVEH: Just out of curiosity Izzy, how would you categorize Mother
Theresa?
ShieldsFamily wrote:
> Some of us dont think that Cath
DAVEH: Just out of curiosity Izzy, how would you categorize Mother
Theresa?
ShieldsFamily wrote:
Some
of us dont think that Catholics are usually Christians. Seems like a rarity
to me. Usually they are adulterers and/or liars in my experience. Izzy
On Thu, 26 Dec 2002 13:28:27 -0500 "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
>the priesthood of all believers [i]s taught by Jesus Christ.
Gary wrote:
> where'd you get this idea?
Matthew 23 for starters.
Peace be with you.
David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida USA
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, December 26, 2002
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ftr:
On Thu, 26 Dec 2002 19:16:11
-0500 "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>..Hitler was a Christian
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>[e.g.] quote..from
Hitler:
>"I a
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BTW...I'm off for a week and a half vacation. Soyou can now dump on me too, as I won't be around to defend myself. (However, I'm going to try to get my wife's laptop working for my email while I'm g
In a message dated 12/26/2002 9:04:36 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I think you must realize that most of us (I think)use the term Christian
to mean someone who sincerely follows Christ. You have not given me a
better word to use yet...do you have one?
Izzy
PS In MY book, Hit
ftr:
On Thu, 26 Dec 2002 19:16:11 -0500 "David
Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:>..Hitler was a Christian
||
>[e.g.] quote..from
Hitler: >"I am now as before a Catholic and will always
remain so.">( Adolf Hitler, from John Toland, Adolf Hitler, New York:
Anchor Publishing,>1992, p. 507.
David,
I think you must realize that most of us (I think)use the term Christian
to mean someone who sincerely follows Christ. You have not given me a
better word to use yet...do you have one?
Izzy
PS In MY book, Hitler was NO Christian!
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"I am now as before a Catholic an
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
ftr,
note the conditions, below, under which the term 'liars' applies--in overarching
context it's very fair to DaveH,
Hm...why start now,
g!
as 'sharp' as my criticism is of his relationship
to JS, etc.; objectively, (also) to characterize Hitler as (a) Ch
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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The
source of that idea came from someone who is no longer on TT, who uses
Hitlarian propaganda techniques.
Who? I can't remember.
Laura
DAVEH: Eh...go ahea
Gary wrote:
> TT records indicate that both DavidM and Marlin
> perceive that Adolph Hitler is (a) Christian (but this
> is a false perception acc to posted public
> records/sound WW2 history)
Oh, come on, Gary. You are going to deny that Hitler was a Christian?
Really? What religion do you thin
In a message dated 12/26/2002 5:22:49 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The source of that idea came from someone who is no longer on TT, who uses Hitlarian propaganda techniques.
Who? I can't remember. Laura
The source of that idea came from someone who is no longer
on TT, who uses Hitlarian propaganda techniques.
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Laura, I must have
missed something here—could you please refer me to the exa
Maybe Marlin would be kind enough to clarify this issue for Laura?
Izzy
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ough to clarify this issue for Laura?
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Laura, I must
In a message dated 12/26/2002 12:05:08 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Laura, I must have missed something here—could you please refer me to the exact post where someone on TT said they “support Hitler”? Thank you. Izzy
It came from a post of Marlins and I don't still have
where'd you get this
idea?
On Thu, 26 Dec 2002 13:28:27 -0500 "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:>the
priesthood of all believers [i]s taught by Jesus Christ.
David Miller wrote:
>> Have you ever considered that the word "church"
>> as you use it here is not in the Bible? The Greek
>> word "ekklesia" which is often translated as "church"
>> simply means congregation or assembly. When
>> Jesus said he would build his "church," he did not
>> use the more e
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I have to agree with Terry - I have come to respect the LDS guys as
individuals but their alignment with JS are scary! I just
can't buy the JS lifestyle as a model for their spitirual life. Neither can I
buy the theology of anyone who supports Hitler.
In a message dated 12/26/2002 7:10:37 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Good news guys:
Your answers are in the Bible! The apostle Peter tells us that the Church
is not a physical plant, and it is not an organization. It is a living
organism. The Church (Ekklesia) is a spiri
throughout eternity,
and Joe Smith can only view it across a great gulf.
Terry
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&g
David Miller wrote:
> DaveH wrote:
> > The LDS Church purports to be the 'only true
> > Church' on the earth today. IOW, none of the
> > other churches are sanctioned or recognized as
> > the 'true Church' by the Lord in the opinion of
> > LDS theology.
>
> Have you ever considered that the wo
David Miller wrote:
> DAVEH:
> > I probably hear about it much more than you do
> > because of my belief in the BofM. Most folks
> > don't have any interest in knowing if Jesus visited
> > the Americas, because it would be beyond the
> > scope of the Bible and just cause a lot of unanswerable
In a message dated 10/29/2002 12:12:18 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
DAVEH: Though Jesus was 'God" prior to being exalted, he became exalted after he was resurrected and returned to his Father in Heaven.
I am so confused If Jesus was an angel then how could he be God?
David Miller wrote:
> DAVEH:
> > You have previously suggested one will be
> > damned to hell for transgressing. If one is 'saved',
> > and continues to sin.then what is the ultimate
> > result? Is the (continue to) sinning Christian truly
> > saved, DavidM?
>
> It is like the dog who vomit
This is the last time I am going to tell you this. The doctrine of eternal security and the doctrine of salvation ARE TWO DIFFERENT SUBJECTS. ETERNAL SECURITY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PRESENT SALVATION. YOU HAVE REJECTED THE BIBLE TEACHING ON A PRESENT AND PAST SALVATION. You try to mix the Mormo
DAVEH:
> You have previously suggested one will be
> damned to hell for transgressing. If one is 'saved',
> and continues to sin.then what is the ultimate
> result? Is the (continue to) sinning Christian truly
> saved, DavidM?
It is like the dog who vomits up the poison that he has ingested.
Michael Douglas wrote:
> > >> is Jesus the brother of Satan?
> > DAVEH: Yes,..as a "spirit brother" to Lucifer, DavidM, myself
and You.
> > I believe our Heavenly Father created all of us as spirit children
in the
> > pre-mortal existence. Jesus is our Elder Brother. And as Blaine
> >
David Miller wrote:
>
> In America today, 85% of our population profess to be Christians. There are
> many different sects within Christianity and many divergent beliefs. Some
> Christians say it does not matter how you live because Jesus saves you by
> grace alone. You can give your heart
Michael Douglas wrote:
> >> DAVEH: If that is truly the case,
then would you not think that our
> >> Father in Heaven is a man? For does not the Bible testify
that
> >> Jesus is the "Son of man"? Yet many times I have been told
(by
> >> TTers included) that God is not a man. Using your met
Seems to be a lot of your views would match theirs. Are you afraid to tell us where you have been kicked out of?
Do you all get the offer from the Mormon Church of a free Video film called “The Lamb of God!” James Templeton
: [TruthTalk] Is the
Bible Complete?--Part 1
Notice, Martin, no response to your link on contradictions,
which Mormons are not allowed to read. Instead you get another question.
I have seen this for years. It is typical of cults like the Jones cult in
Africa where they drank their juice
Notice, Martin, no response to your link on contradictions, which Mormons are not allowed to read. Instead you get another question. I have seen this for years. It is typical of cults like the Jones cult in Africa where they drank their juice.
Davel's question is hypocritical. THERE IS
Hypocrite defined = doing the same thing you condemn others for doing
How can you complain about people not reading the BoM when you or DaveL won't read the book DavidM is perfectly willing to send you free?
Blainer) I assume by "scripture" you mean the Bible. The BoM is a
complement to the
Marlin wrote:
> It did not take me long to find one of many web sites
> devoted to the topic of contradictions between the
> Book of Mormon and the Bible.
> http://www.apologeticspress.org/bibbul/2002/bb-02-38.htm
Greetings, Marlin. Welcome to TruthTalk. I appreciate your willingness to
jump rig
Marlin Halverson wrote:
> Hello Dave,
>
> It did not take me long to find one of many web sites devoted to the topic
> of contradictions between the Book of Mormon and the Bible.
> http://www.apologeticspress.org/bibbul/2002/bb-02-38.htm
DAVEH: I see, Martin. So you didn't know of any contra
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> > Doesn
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> Doesn't the Book of Mormon contradict the teachings of scripture?
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Marlin Halverson wrote:
> Doesn't the Book of Mormon contradict the teachings of scripture?
DAVEH: How so?
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Glenn - The best I can do?
Blainer) I am saying the basic message of the BoM has not been changed.
There may have been some changes, but none that change meanings of
fundamental doctrines, such as baptism, the sacrament, what happens to
one upon dying, the nature of God, the gifts of the spirit
Doesn't the Book of Mormon contradict the teachings of scripture?
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> Blainer) I am saying the basi
Blainer) I am saying the basic message of the BoM has not been changed.
There may have been some changes, but none that change meanings of
fundamental doctrines, such as baptism, the sacrament, what happens to
one upon dying, the nature of God, the gifts of the spirit, etc.
Come on Glenn, is tha
Blainer - Are you saying there have been no changes in the BoM except when the evolution of the English language made it necessary?
Blainer) I Believe the current edition is good enough for all practical
purposes. Most changes have been, as I understand, changes that occurred
shortly after the
; years.
>
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> > Blainer) I agree with you, Brother Glenn, that both s
ruthTalk] Is the Bible Complete?--Part 1
> Blainer) I agree with you, Brother Glenn, that both sides of an issue
> should usually be studied. For instance, I read some of the writings of
> David Whitmer, one of the three witnesses to the Book of Mormon (re: An
> Address to All B
Blainer) I agree with you, Brother Glenn, that both sides of an issue
should usually be studied. For instance, I read some of the writings of
David Whitmer, one of the three witnesses to the Book of Mormon (re: An
Address to All Believers In Christ), and decided he was an enemy to the
truth,
Blainer) That is correct. We have no music stations per se--sorry!! We
have three PBS stations, one of which is owned by the LDS Church (KBYU),
plus ABC, CBS, NBC (also owned by the church), WB, FOX, PAX, KJAZZ, two
Spanish-speaking stations, and three Protestant stations, all free. By
subscr
Correction, I am just telling you what a boy Mormon elders told me. You are good at denying what Mormons believe a la I am greatly under the influence of Satan because I follow the Bible only.
I understand what you are saying. I also was told by a Mormon that he was conditioned for anti-Mormon
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I
understand what you are saying. I also was told by a Mormon that
he was conditioned for anti-Mormon talk, BECAUSE it gave him more rewards
in heaven. The more opposition he received the better it made him.
DAVEH: Glenn...I don't want to offend you, but when you
In a message dated 10/23/2002 10:23:18 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Blainer) There is a lot of music being produced both commercially and
privately by Mormons. I seldom listen to it, because I hear it in church
every sunday.
OK I have listened to the Mormon Tab Choir
It is very interesting, and written by an LDS author and fireside
teacher. He seems legit, is currently an Adult SS teacher in Virginia. I
would not say it was critical reading, but it is referenced extensively,
so might be a springboard for further reading. I see no reason not to
enjoy it if yo
Blainer) There is a lot of music being produced both commercially and
privately by Mormons. I seldom listen to it, because I hear it in church
every sunday. A matter of money, I guess, also. For the same reason, I
do not listen to Christian music. I would probably prefer it to a lot
that is o
I understand what you are saying. I also was told by a Mormon that he was conditioned for anti-Mormon talk, BECAUSE it gave him more rewards in heaven. The more opposition he received the better it made him. This is just like the Church of Christ in attitude. Rejoice in the persecution because
I understand what you are saying. However, some wisdom must be used here. It is impossible to find the truth if one is not willing to study both sides of an issue. I would never have seen the error of the Church of Christ without reading both pro and con.
Blainer) You have to see this through
Hey Blaine..sounds interesting. Is it worth $20 (for a softbound, inc
shipping)??? Or should I avoid it?
> 500 LITTLE KNOWN FACTS IN MORMON HISTORY, by George W.
> Givens.
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If you wish to receive
th
Yes, I stand corrected.
Blainer) Your forgetter must be getting better and better, huh Glenn?
Getting up there in years are you? (:>) I got the number 130 out of a
book entitled 500 LITTLE KNOWN FACTS IN MORMON HISTORY, by George W.
Givens.
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We have no restrictions
on what we read. It is purely a matter of individual choice. We are
counseled to use wisdom in our choices, however.
We are not the ones who are brainwashed!!! That is a joke, b
Blainer) I don't know anyone who knows whether it is either 130 or 200,
or even that many. I think I was talking about what used to be, not what
is. That was then this is now. As I said, there are not that many left
that I could possibly identify at this time. Can you identify that many?
I ca
Blainer) I think you are going by your own narrow perceptions. When
you say "Christianity rejects him," you are basically referring to those
ministers and/or bigots who have a vested interest in knocking Joseph
Smith and Mormonism. The key is the PAYOFF. What PAYOFF is there in
knocking Jos
Blainer) You have to see this through spiritual eyes. Try thinking in
terms of food. If you eat a lot of junk-food, loaded with lots of empty
calories, you will probably end up with poor health. On the other hand,
if you are more particular about what kind of food you eat,, you will
likely have
Blainer) Your forgetter must be getting better and better, huh Glenn?
Getting up there in years are you? (:>) I got the number 130 out of a
book entitled 500 LITTLE KNOWN FACTS IN MORMON HISTORY, by George W.
Givens.
"Splinter" just means what you think it means, nothing more.
On Sun, 20 Oc
believe I can answer you on these points. Your brother in Christ, James Templeton
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eve I can answer you on these points. Your brother in Christ, James
Templeton
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Glenn wrote:
> Do we know if there are 130 Mormon divisions
> or 200 Mormon divisions?
I have not investigated this thoroughly, so I don't know. The fact that
there is between 100 and 200 is a lot, considering how recent this sect of
Christianity has sprung up. It's kind of like Joe Smith and hi
Blainer wrote:
> You can paint an ugly picture of anyone, put horns on
> them if you want to bad enough. It is called "villification."
Agreed.
Blainer wrote:
> Joseph Smith was a villain to many, a saint and
> a prophet to many more.
That is debateable concerning how many fell into which camp.
Blainer wrote:
> ... there were more women in the church at that time than men,
> and for them, polygamy was better than not having a man at all.
The problem I have with this assertion is that many of the women were
already married to another man! It seems like you guys just make up reasons
why p
Glenn to Blainer -
> That's not how I remember it. I remember you denying
> Mormonism being divided. It was DavidM who brought
> out the 130 divisions. I remember you admitting it. Then
> I remember you denying it AFTER you admitted Mormonism
> is divided.
Your memory is a little off here, Glen
Glenn wrote:
> And yes, David, did sound like a Mormon knocking
> the Bible.
I'm sorry you think that, Glenn. I thought I was pretty clear that we need
to look at the underlying manuscripts from which the NIV was translated to
judge whether or not they translated it properly. I was not knocking
Thanks for the clarification. Do we know if there are 130 Mormon divisions or 200 Mormon divisions?
Glenn to Blainer -
> That's not how I remember it. I remember you denying
> Mormonism being divided. It was DavidM who brought
> out the 130 divisions. I remember you admitting it. Then
> I r
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History
gives the facts that Joe Smith had many many many more that thought of
him as a villain when he was alive just as today.
DAVEH: I'm not sure why you think such, Glenn. Do you have
any specific statistics to support your opinion? You may or may not
be right...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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20 Oct 2002 19:21:54 -0700 Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
Blaine was referring to those who held opinions when JS was alive, while
you are thinking in current times.
what's the difference(?)
DAVEH:
The difference is that there is plenty of miscommunicatio
Glenn = But DaveL, it was a "fib" whether Blaine was talking about Joe Smith's popularity when he was alive or today. It "no never" changes anything.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Blaine was referring to those who held opinions w
EXACTLY, we agree on this. The Bible is unbelievable to Mormons. The Bible only will never convert anyone to one of the many Mormon divisions.
Glenn = But DaveL, it was a "fib"
DAVEH: Ahhh Glenn...I'm beginning to see that many things you have said are just a little unbelievable! :-)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Glenn
= But DaveL, it was a "fib"
DAVEH: Ahhh Glenn...I'm beginning to see that many things
you have said are just a little unbelievable! :-)
whether
Blaine was talking about Joe Smith's popularity when he was alive or today.
It "no never" changes anything.
DAVEH: How do you (or Protestants in general) define "angel",
Jim?
"Pastor James P.S. Templeton" wrote:
I
dont think Jesus was ever an angel. He was always the Son of God even
prior to his birth in Bethlehem,
James Templeton
DAVEH:
Hi Michael...I must apologize to you and others wh
DAVEH: In reading Blaine's original post, Glenn, I think you are
twisting this a bit. Blaine was referring to those who held opinions
when JS was alive, while you are thinking in current times.
Blaine wrote:
Blainer) Do they ever? You can paint an ugly picture of
anyone, put
horn
Why? Just read the words of Jesus in the Bible. That should be good enough. This is not a difficult thing. Either Jesus is a liar about hell fire or He is God and told the truth. I am not trying to be smart . But define hell fire? Please. These are little four letter words.
Define Hell
Glenn to Blainer - That's not how I remember it. I remember you denying Mormonism being divided. It was DavidM who brought out the 130 divisions. I remember you admitting it. Then I remember you denying it AFTER you admitted Mormonism is divided.
Are you using a play on words with the w
Glenn to Blainer - This is a lie. MANY MANY MORE BELIEVE JOE SMITH TO BE A VILLAIN THAN BELIEVE HIM TO BE A SAINT. Christianity rejects him.
It is called "villification."
Joseph Smith was a villain to many, a saint and a prophet to many more.
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Why? Just read the words of Jesus in the Bible.
That should be good enough. This is not a difficult thing. Either
Jesus is a liar about hell fire or He is God and
Define Hell fire! Jim
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Glenn - Sinning angels = Hell fire.
I
Blainer) Do they ever? You can paint an ugly picture of anyone, put
horns on them if you want to bad enough. It is called "villification."
Joseph Smith was a villain to many, a saint and a prophet to many more.
Quite a few men who finally met him after hearing bad reports on him had
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