Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2006-02-02 Thread Judith H Taylor
Must have been on this laptop and didn't go out until I got it stirred up again on this trip. Good point though; A body has no mind of it's own so it's our nature that calls the shots and the one Jesus came into this world with was pure and holy. judyt On Thu, 02 Feb 2006 07:27:35 +

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2006-02-02 Thread David Miller
Judy wrote: A body has no mind of it's own so it's our nature that calls the shots and the one Jesus came into this world with was pure and holy. Here is another reason you do not understand my thinking on this. The body DOES have a mind of its own. I know of this from biology, but the

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2006-02-02 Thread Dean Moore
[Original Message] From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Date: 2/2/2006 11:03:46 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality Judy wrote: A body has no mind of it's own so it's our nature that calls the shots and the

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2006-02-02 Thread David Miller
David Miller wrote: Dean brought up that he did not believe that Jesus ever needed to attend school, nor would he ever miss any questions on a test. I wonder if you also believe this. Can you tell me if you agree with him on this point? -- cd: Actually all I

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2006-02-01 Thread Judith H Taylor
Arnold isn't the only one who uses this _expression_ Lance - I used it as an abreviation more than anything else because it encompasses transvestites, homosexuals, all of those not content to be as God made them. On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 07:51:00 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2006-02-01 Thread Judith H Taylor
None righteous on their own merits JD. However, those who remain in Christ are not unrighteous. You cited Romans 16:17 earlier which speaks of separating from those who don't hold the right doctrine. Paul also writes that we should separate ourselves from a form of godliness that denies the

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2006-02-01 Thread Judith H Taylor
I have employed no 'invectives' Lance. You must be more circumspect in your accusing lest you become habitually heretical. jt On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 07:55:27 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm pleased to hear this of 'your' church even if such as yourself, Iz and, Kevin

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2006-02-01 Thread knpraise
Judy - what is this? A post from sept , '05? You've got to be kidding !! jd -- Original message -- From: Judith H Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] None righteous on their own merits JD. However, those who remain in Christ are not unrighteous. You cited Romans 16:17 earlier which

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-10-09 Thread Dave
DAVEH: Welcome back, Dean! Dean Moore wrote: Friends can have intense love and not be perverted-I find this argument weak for sodomites.Was John also a sodomite because his head was on the breast of the Master's chest at the Lords supper (John13:25) ? -- ~~~ Dave

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-10-09 Thread Lance Muir
I'm going to assume that all descriptive terms encomassing all disciplines are henceforth appropriate unless I hear otherwise from the moderator. - Original Message - From: Dave To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: October 09, 2005 12:18 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-10-08 Thread Dean Moore
Dean wrote: Terry-Perhaps it should be mentioned that Gluttony included eating until one puked and then eating more-Didn't God promise to make our bones wax fat? From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 9/27/2005 11:10:44 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-10-08 Thread Dean Moore
Friends can have intense love and not be perverted-I find this argument weak for sodomites.Was John also a sodomite because his head was on the breast of the Master's chest at the Lords supper (John13:25) ? - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 9/27/2005

RE: [Bulk] RE: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-10-01 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Izzy, you are right. I complertely misread John's note. Upon rereading this morning, I see that now. Sorry, John. I now see that we are saying the same thing. Perry From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE:

Re: [Bulk] RE: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-30 Thread knpraise
A friend of mine has confided that he knows of two pastors locally who are involved with each other. Apparently they pastor conservatiives churches. I do not know know if they are married. I pass on how I am trying to deal with this issue -- hoping to get the discussion to the point where

Re: [Bulk] RE: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-30 Thread Terry Clifton
Those two "pastors" need to leave the ministry. End of discussion. "Present yourself a living sacrifice, Holy.". Terry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A friend of mine has confided that he knows of two pastors locally who are involved with each other.

Re: [Bulk] RE: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-30 Thread Charles Perry Locke
John, the part of your presentation with which I cannot agree is that IF we assume that their homosexual tendency is genetic, that no one can argue that they are forced to act upon this attraction. That is not true for we humans. We are sentient, thinking, beings. We make choices every day. We

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-29 Thread Lance Muir
Well said once again, Terry. - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: September 28, 2005 15:49 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality Ahem! Boy, I hate to say this, but wrong again.

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-29 Thread Judith H Taylor
YES, We are to pursue righteousness and sin not. What is so complicated about that? Girly men don't make it - JD On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 23:00:16 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So youhave to be sin free? Oh, by the way - do you consider yourself to be effeminate? JdFrom: Kevin

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-29 Thread Judith H Taylor
Then what is his problem JD? Unbelief? Is he going to replicate AE's folly in the garden? Amazing how mankind can't learn ... Hath God said? Hath God said? Hath God said? Oh He really doesn't mean that. He loves you so much. On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 22:17:15 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-29 Thread Judith H Taylor
Impossible!! No more likely than a "christian prostitute" a "christian murderer" or a "christian bank robber" You need to delete the adjective and do some serious Bible Study asking God to reveal His Word rather than add your own ideas to change what you don't like. I have met homosexuals

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-29 Thread knpraise
Thee are none righteous, nonot one. -Original Message-From: Judith H Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 06:35:24 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality YES, We are to pursue righteousness and sin

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-29 Thread Kevin Deegan
The BTK Serial Murderer is a "christian" NO REALLY, he says so! http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/ap/08052/1605_BTK_faces_punnishment.htmlRader, a former president of his church, blamed the killings on a "demon" that got inside him at a young age. "If he showed any kind of remorse, you could feel

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-29 Thread Judith H Taylor
JD, a man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still. You will never talk a practising homosexual who likes what he is doing out of it. This man has a spiritual problem and can not free himself frombondage to this unclean spirit until like the prodigal son -he sees the pigpen for

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-29 Thread Kevin Deegan
How about starting a Bible Study with the BTK killer? Now that would be something to DO!Sometimes it is easy to judge the eternal destiny. Of course that can always be changed while one lives breathes after that NO WAY. Sadly some deceive their own selves! Let no man deceive himself. MANY will

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-29 Thread knpraise
Are you saying thatBTK cannot be saved? -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 04:36:00 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality How about starting a Bible Study with

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-29 Thread Lance Muir
I'm pleased to hear this of 'your' church even if such as yourself, Iz and, Kevin employ only invectives when speaking of THEM. From: Judith H Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: September 28, 2005 20:29 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-29 Thread Lance Muir
The woman who critiques movies employs an _expression_ spoken by 'Arnold' in one of his movies and, as governor. Hmmm I guess pop culture influences the so-called 'christian' sub-culture more than one might have thought. Did Judith H. Taylor conclude her short departure with 'I'll be back'?

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-29 Thread Kevin Deegan
Iwas wondering how long before a few Girlie types would be offended.Where's JD? Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The woman who critiques movies employs an _expression_ spoken by 'Arnold' in one of his movies and, as governor. Hmmm I guess pop culture influences the so-called 'christian'

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-29 Thread Kevin Deegan
Your right I am under conviction. can you help me think of some things to say to PRAISE "THEM"? Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm pleased to hear this of 'your' church even if such as yourself, Iz and, Kevin employ only invectives when speaking of THEM. From: Judith H Taylor To:

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-29 Thread Judith H Taylor
Why arn't you talking about the "gay issue?" We are supposed to minister the way Jesus did as He is our example and He always hit sin head on ie He confronted the rich young ruler with his heart of covetousness which he was not yetwilling to part with. Jesus didn't chase after him and keep

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-29 Thread Judith H Taylor
On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 23:48:45 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Be sure and avoid dealing with the following: Why does Paul restate the claim that "there is none who are righteous, no not one/" jt: Because unlike some on TT to Paul the fall was 'present day truth' to be

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-29 Thread Lance Muir
The second Adam, the Incarnate God, the Israelite-Jesus, lived, died, rose and ascended to the right hand of His Father to include you. How's that for a starter? - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: September 29, 2005 08:06

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-29 Thread Lance Muir
He did indeed 'hit sin on the head', Judy. Mostly however, he hit it on the head with those in the 'churches' of His day. That ring any bells with any of you out there? (Judy, Kevin, Iz) At whom/with whom do we see His anger most expressed? At whom/with whom do we see the opposite? Why

RE: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-29 Thread ShieldsFamily
Oh yeah, we have those Heterosexual Coming Out Parades all of the time so we can strut our stuff in everyones faces. We are really the angry ones, arent we? Yes, may God judge the churches that encourage such debauchery! iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-29 Thread Terry Clifton
Well put, Judy, but if JD cannot see this in God's word, he sure ain't gonna see it in yours or mine. I hate that, but that's the way it is, for now, anyhow. Terry Judith H Taylor wrote: Why arn't you talking about the "gay issue?" We are supposed to minister the way Jesus did as

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-29 Thread knpraise
Judy insists that the "faith" ofRomans4:4 is a faith that works righteousness. So let's put that thinking into the passage and see what we have -- "Abraham believed (performed works of righteousness as a test ofhis believing) and it was considered to be a replacement for righteousness."

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-29 Thread Kevin Deegan
Stop being so HATEfull Lance.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He did indeed 'hit sin on the head', Judy. Mostly however, he hit it on the head with those in the 'churches' of His day. That ring any bells with any of you out there? (Judy, Kevin, Iz) At whom/with whom do we see His anger most

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-29 Thread Kevin Deegan
No that is not good for a starter. Please list their PRAISE worthy traits. Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The second Adam, the Incarnate God, the Israelite-Jesus, lived, died, rose and ascended to the right hand of His Father to include you. How's that for a starter? - Original

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-29 Thread knpraise
-Original Message-From: Judith H Taylor jandgtaylor1@juno.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 07:52:18 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality Why arn't you talking about the "gay issue?" So Judy thinks you first stop

RE: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-29 Thread Kevin Deegan
First we were told to TOLERATE Perversion Then it was we must ACCEPT Deviant behavior Now it is we must OFFER UP our children http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39726 American Psychological Associationhas promoted adult-child sex in its peer-reviewed journal

Re: [Bulk] RE: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-29 Thread Lance Muir
Y'all just convincin' this old boy in Canada that what Terry and I think 'bout your country goin' down the tubes is correctamundo. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: September 29, 2005 16:23 Subject: [Bulk] RE:

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-29 Thread Kevin Deegan
And your Judgemental too! Is yourBrand of HATE speech and JUDGEMENTALISM allowed in the People's Republique of CANUCKastan? Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin: Y'all confuse HONESTY with HATEFULNESS. Y'all don't SPEAK, Kevin, y'all SPEW! JD has recognized this 'bout y'all since I bin on

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-29 Thread Terry Clifton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy insists that the "faith" ofRomans4:4 is a faith that works righteousness. So let's put that thinking into the passage and see what we have -- "Abraham believed (performed works of righteousness as a test ofhis believing) and it was considered to

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-29 Thread knpraise
I believe it is spelled "judgmentalism," Bub, and why bring up the word anyway - no one on the right has a clue as to its definition. Hard to accuse someone of it when you don'tknow what it is. JD-Original Message- From: Kevin Deegan openairmission@yahoo.comTo:

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-29 Thread knpraise
I agree with you, Terry. I wish I could make my point !! Look - faith and works (obedience) or two different things -- right. Now, of course, each is related to the other.If faith (conviction) is real, then obedience at some level willbe the result. But in the Genesis account, at what point

RE: Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-29 Thread ShieldsFamily
How can you be so double-tongued, JD? You accuse me of thatall the time!!! iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 7:50 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [TruthTalk] an argument

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-28 Thread Judith H Taylor
I'm around but we are travelling and I don't always get to check email regularly. Right now we are in Louisiana headed back to VA. I can't believe you would call this argument "well stated" JD. This is the exact argument used by a homosexual from the UK on another Christian list that used to

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-28 Thread Terry Clifton
Lance Muir wrote: It (Christian homosexual) is no more of an oxymoron than 'Christian sinner',. In spite of the poor exegesis and poor theology to the contrary, this is so. == How in the world can one so educated be so

RE: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-28 Thread ShieldsFamily
Anyone who has ever had a beloved friend for whom you would give your own life can understand these scriptures about David and Jonathan. Those who never have experienced such pure, non-sexual devotion to a friend can only see it as something perverted. They pervert scripture to mirror

RE: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-28 Thread ShieldsFamily
You say this to your shame, Lance, not comprehending the Word of God, or even what it means to be a true Believer. (Anyone qualifies in your opinion.) izzy I Cor 6: 9Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-28 Thread Lance Muir
Wrong!!! Read it again or, keep quiet. - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: September 28, 2005 08:54 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality Lance Muir wrote: It

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-28 Thread Lance Muir
Wrong!! Read it again or, keep quiet. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: September 28, 2005 09:14 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality You say this to your shame,

RE: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-28 Thread ShieldsFamily
You have no business telling anyone else on TT to keep quiet, thank you. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 7:57 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay

RE: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-28 Thread ShieldsFamily
BTW, Christian sinner is also an oxymoron. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ShieldsFamily Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 8:22 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-28 Thread Lance Muir
IFF this is so THEN YOU ARE AN OXYMORON! You, Iz, along with every believer sin in thought, word and deed daily. One can be a Christian homosexual. I suspect JD has met some. I have met some. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-28 Thread Terry Clifton
Lance Muir wrote: IFF this is so THEN YOU ARE AN OXYMORON! You, Iz, along with every believer sin in thought, word and deed daily. One can be a Christian homosexual. I suspect JD has met some. I have met some. ===

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-28 Thread Lance Muir
Terry: What of the first part I wrote? Your thoughts on 'thought, word, deed DAILY? - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: September 28, 2005 11:46 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-28 Thread Terry Clifton
Lance Muir wrote: Terry: What of the first part I wrote? Your thoughts on 'thought, word, deed DAILY? = I strongly suspect that most believers are tempted to sin daily. How long you must entertain the sinful thought

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-28 Thread Lance Muir
Well said, Terry. - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: September 28, 2005 12:34 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality Lance Muir wrote: Terry: What of the first part I

RE: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-28 Thread ShieldsFamily
Wrong on all counts. Well just have to agree to disagree. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 9:01 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-28 Thread Lance Muir
Wrong on all accounts is correct. We will agree to disagree. I guess you and Terry subscribe to the RG (Republican Gospel - it's a flag/cross confusion thingy)Happily for us (Canadians) you're part of a collapsing (religious) empire. Hang on tight, Americans, as India and China are on the

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-28 Thread Terry Clifton
Ahem! Boy, I hate to say this, but wrong again. Izzy is the staunch Republican. I am the independent, pretty much non political guy on the forum. Though it is highly unlikely that I would ever vote Democrat, please do not consider me to be in the pocket of George Bush. I often throw my vote

RE: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-28 Thread ShieldsFamily
Sounds like sour grapes, and hoping for evil upon a neighbor, from socialistic Canada to me. I send those curses back to the pit from whence they came in the Name of Jesus. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Wednesday, September

RE: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-28 Thread Kevin Deegan
Sort of like the Drunkard who knows nothing at all about the bible except: Jesus made the water into wineShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone who has ever had a beloved friend for whom you would give your own life can understand these scriptures about David and Jonathan. Those

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-28 Thread Kevin Deegan
I have met some Where have you been hanging out? Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IFF this is so THEN YOU ARE AN OXYMORON! You, Iz, along with every believer sin in thought, word and deed daily. One can be a Christian homosexual. I suspect JD has met some. I have met some. -

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-28 Thread Kevin Deegan
Republican Gospel? ROTFL Is God a republican or a democrat? Lance says "Canadian" question, how long till we descend to the level of Canaduh? Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wrong on all accounts is correct. We will agree to disagree. I guess you and Terry subscribe to the RG

RE: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-28 Thread Kevin Deegan
BINGO !ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like sour grapes, and hoping for evil upon a neighbor, from socialistic Canada to me. I send those curses back to the pit from whence they came in the Name of Jesus. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-28 Thread knpraise
Well, maybe God has put us together "for such a time as this." Right now the relationship is somethingof a novelty -- at least for him. My conversation with him is different from"the others." So, maybe I might be able to make sense to him. What I am not doing is talking about the gay issue, per

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-28 Thread knpraise
Spoken like a true little rich girl who has NEVER tried to deal with the "worst of the worst."Christ ministered to the sinners and publicans and that is what I am doing -- perhaps while you are walking the dog or fluttering around the house. JD -Original Message-From:

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-28 Thread knpraise
Spoken like a true little rich girl who has NEVER tried to deal with the "worst of the worst."Christ ministered to the sinners and publicans and that is what I am doing -- perhaps while you are walking the dog or fluttering around the house. JD -Original Message-From:

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-28 Thread knpraise
Spoken like a true little rich girl who has NEVER tried to deal with the "worst of the worst."Christ ministered to the sinners and publicans and that is what I am doing -- perhaps while you are walking the dog or fluttering around the house. JD-Original Message-From:

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-28 Thread Terry Clifton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, maybe God has put us together "for such a time as this." Right now the relationship is somethingof a novelty -- at least for him. My conversation with him is different from"the others." So, maybe I might be able to make sense to him. What I am not doing

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-28 Thread knpraise
Thank you. This is not about compromise. It is about helping someone who really needs help. I would seriously appreciate your prayers in this regard. Thanks Jd -Original Message-From: Terry Clifton wabbits1234@earthlink.netTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 28 Sep 2005

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-28 Thread knpraise
I take it that Terry does not agree. I have met several gays who claim the name of Christ. After being a member of TT for a year and a half, I find their lives much more in tune with the will of God -- in spite of their great failings -- than some here on TT. It is almost laughable that those

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-28 Thread knpraise
Be sure and avoid dealing with the following: Why does Paul restate the claim that "there is none who are righteous, no not one/" Why does he insist that we all continually fall short of the glory of God? Why is faith a substitute for righteous - or did you miss that point? When you quote

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality - corrections in cluded

2005-09-28 Thread knpraise
Sorry - I hit the wrong button before finishing this masterpiece. Jd-Original Message-From: KnpraiseTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 23:48:45 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality Be sure and avoid dealing with the

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-28 Thread knpraise
Terry - let's not get to off the beaten track.Ours is a ministry of reconciliation TO THE LOST.Romans 16:17 is a word of caution for those WITHIN THE CHURCH. He is talking about those within the church who cause division, who spew hatefulness, prejudice and judgementalism. Include yourself in

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-27 Thread knpraise
In case you were curious, here is a rather well stated argument for homosexuality. Enjoy. JD The Bible has often been used as a weapon to condemn homosexuality as sinful or immoral. It is often overlooked and even outrightly denied that some of the heroes in the Bible were themselves

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-27 Thread Terry Clifton
I see no argument for homosexuality. Homosexuals are an abomination to God, yet David was a man after God's heart. David was therefore not a homosexual. Whoever wrote the trash you offered was a liar, or did not understand the customs of the times, or both. This one should jerk Judy's chain if

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-27 Thread Kevin Deegan
PERVERT ALERT! Who were the other PERVERTS? It is often overlooked and even outrightly denied that some of the heroes in the Bible were themselves homosexual. Can you believe the Audacity of some to OUT-right deny the above statement? --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In case you were

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-27 Thread knpraise
alrighty then.-Original Message-From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 14:05:17 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality I see no argument for homosexuality. Homosexuals are an abomination to

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-27 Thread knpraise
The post below isfrom a conversation I am having with a gay Christian. I will not be calling him names anytime soon. Patient dialogue is the only avenue open. -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 12:22:14 -0700

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-27 Thread Kevin Deegan
Are you having any conversations with any Democrat Republicans? LOL --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The post below is from a conversation I am having with a gay Christian. I will not be calling him names anytime soon. Patient dialogue is the only avenue open. -Original

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-27 Thread Terry Clifton
If you use the word Christian to describe a follower of Christ, then this is an oxymoron. Perverts go to Hell. Christians go to Heaven. There are no perverted Christians. If this man is a homosexual, he is lost and needs to know it. Maybe then he can become a Christian ex pervert. Terry P.S. I

RE: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-27 Thread ShieldsFamily
To you this is well stated??? To me it is too typical faggot tripe. And, FYI, there is no such thing as a Christian homosexual. izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 11:20 AM To:

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-27 Thread knpraise
I am sure he has been told many times. But I was wondering - are there going to be any gluttons in heaven? JD-Original Message-From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 14:59:00 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-27 Thread knpraise
You are such a tender hearted woman. What is the guy (gay) is trying to deal with the problem but caves in ? And why is it ok for one to be hateful and judgmental but not homosexual? JD -Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue,

RE: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-27 Thread Kevin Deegan
Consider the sourceS. ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To you this is “well stated”??? To me it is too typical faggot tripe. And, FYI, there is no such thing as a “Christian homosexual”. izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent:

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-27 Thread Kevin Deegan
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind Maybe in your translation? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sure he has been told many times. But I was

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-27 Thread knpraise
You guys are so second grade !! "Well stated" = "well written." Exegetically - way off, but well written. Jd-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 19:46:27 -0700 (PDT)Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-27 Thread knpraise
So youhave to be sin free? Oh, by the way - do you consider yourself to be effeminate? Jd-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 19:50:08 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-27 Thread Terry Clifton
There will be ex gluttons just as there will be ex sinners of every sort, but those who practice such things will not be there. As to your counselee: if he has been told many times and refuses to listen, do as Jesus instructed the disciples. Stamp the dust off your feet and move on. Jesus

RE: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-27 Thread ShieldsFamily
Average, IMO. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 8:57 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality You guys are so

RE: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-27 Thread ShieldsFamily
Ooooh, good one, Terry! iz Jesus does not need to twist arms to get a bride. There are others who will listen.

RE: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-27 Thread ShieldsFamily
BTW, what the heck IS homosecuality J From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 8:57 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

RE: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-27 Thread ShieldsFamily
The gay guy who caves in does not enter the Kingdom of God. Faggot tripe is just the facts about that kind of blasphemous drivel. It is an insult to God and His Word. People who dont like the truth call that hate or judgmental. But its the truth, and thats just the way it is. You dont have